Arimidex vs Femara

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Hi All, I also posted this topic in Srage Cancer III forum, but thought I would post here, too. I have had 2 sugeries, and 5 cm lump removed and axillary surget 10 of 20 positive and I have a few more chemo sessions, then radiation, where I will be radiated above collarbone also (scared about this) - and then...I get to go on hormonal therapy and I get to choose: Arimidex, Femara or Aromasin. I sort of decided against Aromasin because I think that one has been out the least amount of time(?). Anyway, if anyone knows any info re: these two drugs and their SE's I would appreciate you passing it on. I also heard that in addition to other SE (pain, bone loss, weight gain, insomnia, etc...) there can be depression with these drugs. So, if anyone has experienced that with these and have a good anti-depressant, I would then talk with my onc about it. I'm pretty much already depressed. Although I try to stay positive. I thought I would try fish-oil for the depressoin but need to run it past onc first, OK, again, I would appreciate any feedback from women who have taken either Femera or Arimidex and/or both. Thanks, Debi

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  • Jenniferz
    Jenniferz Member Posts: 541
    edited December 2008

    Hi Debisongbird:

    I have been taking Femara for 2 1/2 years now.  I have experienced joint pain in my knees and ankles, but nothing that Tylenol can't take care of.  I do have an on going problem with plantar fasiatis (bad spelling, but don't hold that against me, please! Smile) that seems to have been made a bit worse with Femara.  Tylenol and tightly laced walking shoes help with that. I have osteopenia, but not sure if that is from the Femara, or if it was already there before BC. I take 1200 -1500units of calcium with D for that, and so far it has not developed into Osteosporosis.  I also developed hot flashes. I didn't experience any depression that I felt I needed help for., so I can't help you there.  Oh, almost forgot---my hair has thinned considerably, but with no estrogen, I'm not surprised.

    Someone else with more information will be along in abit.  Hope this helps!

    Jennifer

  • TenderIsOurMight
    TenderIsOurMight Member Posts: 4,493
    edited December 2008

    Hi Debisongird,

    Letrozole is a very powerful hormonal agent, and its choice in light of your node status might make a lot of sense. It is known to lower one's estrogen the deepest (estrogen being what ER+cells appear to thrive on), but just being lowest in estrogen in and of itself is not clearly associated with increased survival. Letrozole has been shown to be associated with a slightly higher (we're talking very small percentage point) distant disease free state. Because Letrozole cuts circulating estrogen so, our bones are more likely to break than with the other AI's, Arimidex and Aromasin. For this as well as the suggestion that IV Zometa may lower metastasis, infusion of this powerful bisphosphonate is also recommended. Your doctor and you would need to pick a schedule which seems appropriate, be it monthly, q 3 month or every 6 month (4 mg Zometa). There are fancy blood and urine bone metabolism tests which can be run to suggest the Zometa is helping, but outside of Universities or other clinical trial sites, I don't see many run.

    I have been on both Arimidex (5 years) and Femara (1 year). I do note the muscle/bone/joint pain on both. I have noted Femara causes worse vaginal dryness, altering the ph and status there significantly. Just trying to keep the tissue moist and intact is more of a job than when on Arimidex.

    It's such a personal choice. No matter which AI you choose, it may be good to have your blood tested (by a GOOD reference lab, able to look for small estrogen amounts in frozen blood) four weeks or so after you start. From what I've read, and in contradistinction to what I wrote about does the value matter, most oncologists like to see a persons serum estradiol below 10 micrograms/ml, and preferably about 7 or so. Maybe others will help out here. On Arimidex my values were 22 micrograms/ml, which in retrospect were somewhat high. No wonder then I feel the change from Letrozole dropping my estrogen even lower.

     Weight fluctuations, specifically gains, are ideally avoided in ER+ breast cancers. Fat is one place where estrogen can be metabolized from testosterone, and at some point of weight gain as well as via other mechanisms (insulin and fatty acids), pose a risk where AI's alone don't do the trick.

     Lastly, I did have post mastectomy radiation, including the collarbone area but not the internal mammary node area (by the chest bone). I do not have any SE's up in my collarbone area. You may wish to discuss with your radiation oncologist if they will be including the internal mammary nodal basin, which is often included with greater than 4 nodes and central breast tumor location.

    Good luck to you and post as you think of more questions. My best to you and yours,

    Tender 

  • debisongbird
    debisongbird Member Posts: 275
    edited December 2008
    Thank you (both) for answering my post. But, Dear Tender, I'm afraid I didn't understand some of what you said. I asked about Arimidex vs Femara. As you have been on both, you could probably help me there (some). I do realize each person's condition is unique. However, I don't know what you are talking about when you talk about Letrozole and Zometa. Are they generic names for the above-mentioned drugs? My main question is which will afford me the least distress when taking. I'm not concerned with vaginal dryness (at least not at this time) - I am concerned about bone loss, insomnia and pain. And of course which is working to lower estrogen better. I may be a real dunce when it comes to discussing these things, so I hope you'll bear with me. I do appreciate your input. Thank you, Debi (Stage 3 with 10  positive nodes & 5 cm tumor - taken out.)Smile
  • TenderIsOurMight
    TenderIsOurMight Member Posts: 4,493
    edited December 2008

    Hi debisongbird,

    Oh, I did do a run on of Femara/Arimidex into Zometa, didn't I? Sorry. I tend to think of using the drugs as a dynamic duo; the AI's to lower your body's estrogen (given an estrogen sensitive breast cancer) and the Zometa (an intravenous bisphosphonate) to integrate with our bones and effectively stop calcium loss. So I refer to them in tandem, or hand in hand. Most women and men on a bone calcium leaching hormonal, are made aware of bisphosphonates (there are both oral and intravenous ((Aredia)).

     As to which aromatase inhibitor (AI) may cause you the least distress, every person reacts differently to Arimidex and Femara. My personal feeling is my body reflects that extra drop in estrogen when switched from Armidex to Femara. I'm more sore (muscles/bones/joints), more cognitively slow, more fatigued, and more dry. Plus dizzy. But again, one person's report is typically different from another. I would say I was less distressed on Arimidex, but jmo.

    Wishing you well, you're asking great questions!

    Tender 

  • Kimmie50
    Kimmie50 Member Posts: 1
    edited December 2008

    Hi,Debbie!  Hang in there, kid!  Your situation sounds very familiar to mine, E+/10 positive out of 24 nodes/4.7cm tumor).  I had a full mastectomy, AC/Taxol chemo/radiation and am taking Arimidex and will be having the ovaries removed sometime this month, so that I can continue on the Arimidex.  And so far, so good.  No real problems.  Heck, my hot flashes were sometimes worse during chemo than they are now.  Radiation is not that bad, but you do get "burned".  Mine didn't appear until about the 3rd week.  However, they have wonderful burn cream for that and gel packs if necessary.  The BEST thing you can do for that is DO NOT wear a bra for the duration, just simple loose shirts (and a sweater or jacket if you are working).  I did that for 6 weeks and really did not have that bad of a time with it.  Do exactly what they tell you, apply cream when needed and often. You'll be surprised how quickly it gets better for you after the treatments stop.  Good luck and anything else you want to know, I'll be happy to share with you.

    -Kimmie50

  • debisongbird
    debisongbird Member Posts: 275
    edited December 2008

    Thank you so much Kimmie (and Tender) for answering my post and helping me with your experiences. I have been such a hot mess lately. And still scared. I thought I was getting through it, and then, you know, the heart tests (a valve isn't closing all the way) and the radiation (where they said they would radiate above the collar-bone in addition to underarm and entire breast,  and I would lose 20% of the lung (no big deal, they said) and they might hit the heart (mine is on the left side, bc, I mean) so all that new info (not what I was expecting) and then hearing I could have unruly pain with the Arimidex and, of course, bone loss. And my onc giving me all this info the day before my Xmas Eve dinner...it just seemed too much. Of course, I am probably the biggest baby of all. Everyone seems so brave and I'm over here feeling shocked and a little depressed. Anyway, your replies help so much. Thank you. Also, I thought my radiaologist said 2 weeks of rads(but that doesn't seem right compared with everyone else I have talked to.) Maybe I misunderstood him. Do either of you have experience with rads above the collarbone? He said it could burn the esphophogus (sp?) some, so I worried about that too. I just want to live and be productive and help others - oh, and express myself. I just worry about whether I will be able to do that. Anyway, thank you for letting me get itall out. - I want to be a Survivor/Warrior, but sometimes I feel like a weepy, hot, mess. - Debi  p.s. I have heard that Aromasin is the most friendly of the Als, but I need to do more research. I know it hasn't been around as much as the others.

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