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I had no family history of breast cancer either. But I didnt smoke, and I lived in a smoke free home. I exercise and eat healthy (beings I am a fitness professional, kinda have to) and I really dont have an over abundance of stress in my life-----I have stress (I have a 19 year old goof ball son) but not a constant unbearable stress. So how on earth did I become a "victim" of BC??? Who knows, it could be because I drink from plastic bottles and I freeze them, they now say "no no", I have used plastic in the microwave. I use to work with smokers and was exposed to daily cig smoke for 3 years, maybe that is why. But at the end of the day, no one will ever know how I got breast cancer. I did have fibrocystic boobies which I have learned is a risk factor. I dont drink caffiene so that wasnt the cause of fibro-boobs.
With regards to jaedeen, (or jaedeen-a-ling LOL Rock) people like her/him only have the power that WE give them. If you dont let her/his posts bother you, she/he can post whatever she wants and you wont care. Respond if you wont, ignore if you want, cuss her out if you want , but make sure it is what YOU want, not a reaction to her. That way she has no control.
I guess that is why I dont know anything about "ignore" button, cause anyone I want to ignore, I just ignore. I dont need a button to "let" me ignore someone.
I agree with DD that Jaedeen has a psychological disorder, but I think she has more than one. I actually think she suffers from Narcissistic Personality Disorder: a disorder in which a person has a grandiose self-importance, preoccupation with fantasies of unlimited success, a driven desire for attention and admiration, an intolerance of criticism, and disturbed self-centered interpersonal relations. They are often referred to as being conceited. They generally have a low self-esteem, as well. They act selfish interpersonally, with a sense of entitlement. This causes her to only want to be places where she causes trouble, this allows her to play the "victim" when people disagree with her or get mad at her. $$
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No one in my family ever had breast cancer either. I have had several of the risk factors mentioned though; a smoking environment for my first 22 years, plastics, a couple of my children caused A LOT of stress for many years. (My son starts a new job today after not making a go of it in school, among other things.) My diet and exercise haven't been consistent, etc.
What bothers me the most is, if the gene mutated, does that mean that my daughters are more than likely recipients of the bc gene? I would like to get tested, but one daughter is in school, and would she be denied insurance when she gets a job because of this, if it were found? It seems like it would be wise to wait until she has insurance with a job.
I love reading this thread, although sometimes the deliberate tension is annoying. It does seem there is a more appropriate place for the "other side" comments. My fellow bc sisters here are awesome!
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Sue, like you I feel the long term exposure to smoke, a poor diet, and the stress of raising kids(boy is that tuff at times), and an unhappy childhood, made me a good candidate. I was rarely sick, which means I had a good immune system, but I think I might have over worked it, and thus got the bc.I believe my immune system saved me from later stage. I exercised, but not almost daily as I do now. Plus I know my hormones were in a mess pre menopause, and I did not bother to do anything about it. I can at least say that I learned my lesson. While I have spend most of my life taking care of others, bc has taught me to take care of myself first. And do not allow your daughters to worry about bc. Encourage them to be as healthy as possible, eat right, exercise and keep a positive mind and that will help protect them. I do believe that if I knew then what I know now, this would have never happened to me.
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Sorry ladies but I am sticking by my guns (I am Texan) (so I have more then one)........anyway when someone says there is no breast cancer in my family then I take that to mean that there is no breast cancer in your family that you are aware of.........when I was dx I told my onc that bc did not run in my family........I knew of no one that had it...........will it came to find out that my mother's identical twin sister had bc dx in 1976 that she hid from my mom so not to worry her.........we never knew until she sent me a card and explained about her cancer which just happen to be when she was 49 (I was 49) triple neg. (I was triple neg.) and about the same size and in the same breast.........what are the odds?.........also was told that my paternal grandmother died of "chest cancer".........I asked my dad you mean "breast cancer"? and he said no she always said she had chest cancer.......well low and behold back in the 60's when she was dx she could not bring herself to even say the word cancer must less the words brest cancer.........
There is a wonderful man Jon Huntsman (just happens to be a Republican) that has started the Huntsman Cancer Institute at the University of Utah......he himself is a two time cancer survivor and his mother died of bc......he is determine to find the "cure" for cancer and he believes in lies in our genes...........you can go to his website but he has a hundred research doctors doing wonderful things in the search for the cause of cancer and most of all the cure for cancer..........
Unless you guys have done an extensive background on your relatives and know what they actually died from and you must remember at the turn of the century life expectancy was only about 60 and many people probably died before they ever got the change to have cancer.......no penicillin, polio, mumps, fevers, accidents............and back in the day if you had cancer many people were sent away to "institutes" to die because it was so feared in families..........
Of course I could be wrong..........naw..........I'm Republican......we are never wrong.........ha......
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Sue, I think the law passed -- they can get the genetic testing done and it will remain private. It was a federal law but check out the facts -- really I am pretty sure this passed. I am supposed to have it done but I have been lazy about getting it done.
Jaedeen-a-ling must be my ex-husband!!!! He definitely fits the bill of narcissistic personality disorder (in fact, this one psychologist that knew him as well, told me in a session that she thought that was one, get it ONE of, his dx!!
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Rock ROFL!!! You are a HOOT!
Shokk, you could be right. My doc told me that 80% of cases they have, there was NO family history in them. But I went & talked with a genetic counselor and after digging a whole bunch, I found out that my paternal "great" aunt had bc back in the 60's. she had a double mast and that was the extent of her tx. She died in the early 70's from a stroke. But she is the only "connection" we could find on either side of the families and my parents families were all real, real close so if any closer relative had bc, they would know. And all that have past on, did so from very, very old age- not cancer-----well except my mothers father. He died from cancer, BUT I call it "self induced" because he was a smoker for 50 years & alcoholic for 40 years and died from what started out as cancer of the larynx. He continued to smoke even after he had his voice box removed. Who knows if he would have gotten cancer otherwise.
So I suppose it is possible that I got a "gene" from my great aunt who had bc but didnt die from it when I was like 6 years old.........
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Ok guys now you may believe that I have lost my marbles but I really do think that the whole "environment" movement today is comparable to the "Communist" movement of the 50's............I know that many want to believe that we have some sort of control over environment and in many places we do to an extent......but in most cases it just is not the case............the whole "Global Warming" does not exist especially now that we are actually going through a cooling spell so they change it to "Global Change".........hello the environment is always changing.......the weather is always changing......the dust bowl of the 30's...........flooding..........droughts...........hurricanes............there are people that smoke their entire lives and never get any kind of cancer..........there are some people that are just exposed to second hand smoke and get all kinds of cancers...........how do we explain Asia and their tobacco use and still their rates of lung cancer are very low compared to usage............some will say their diet is better.......well in many cases there food is full of pesticides and they use formaldehyde in their noodles as a preservative...........there are people exposed to all kinds of environmental hazards all over the world and still there are pockets of cancer that seems to run in certain populations..........not necessarily in areas..........of course there are exceptions like chemical company's dumping chemical waste into water and high rates of childhood leukemia are higher but still not every child will come down with cancer even though they may still drink the water.............we need to understand that as careful as we were..........that as much as many of us were very careful about what we ate........that many of us were very active and exercised regularly........didn't smoke...........didn't drink............made sure we had enough rest.......many of us still got breast cancer...........there has to be something in our genetic code that makes us susceptible...........Shokk
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Shokk, I think that it is like so many things in life...a combination of factors.
There is probably a component of some level of genetic pre-disposition, a component of exposure to environmental factors, and a component of a time period of lowered immunity that all come together to allow the cancer to get a hold and grow.
If you have the pre-disposition, and are exposed to an environmental source, but your immune system clears the cancer cells out of your body before they have a chance to "set up shop" you don't get cancer, but if you get to a period in your life where your immune system isn't functioning as well as normal, you just might develop cancer following exposure to that same environmental source.
Does that make sense to you?
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I'll confess...I didn't do anything right and I got breast cancer! I did a couple of things right..had a yearly mammo and a few ultra sounds. I have A dense breast (left). I had fibrocystic breasts. I TOOK PROGESTERONE AND ESTROGEN...a big no no....until the report came out and they stopped the study. I went off cold turkey..never had one hot flash. I never had a hot flash before I took them. I also found my own huge tumor..no mammo found it. So, I'm not going to blame myself for doing bad things. I'm going to blame it on taking hormones, thank you! Everytime I had a mammo they'd ask if anyone in my family had bc...I said no..but I would reply that I'm the ONLY one in my family to EVER take hormones..they wrote that in my files.
I don't know how I got this horrid disease and I'm not going to try to figure it out. I see women who are morbidly obese and wonder............do they have bc or did they have bc?
I think I have finally convinced my dd not to warm things in plastic. She would warm the kids' milk in their sippy cup..and I'd say.....DON'T!
There is CANCER in my family. My granddad died of bladder cancer, two of my brothers have/had prostate cancer and that's all I can think of right now. There are no women that I know that died from or had bc in my family. My mom who had and probably still has a horrible diet, stressed filled life, the most unhappy person on this earth (probably), full of anger, etc., is still living, but in a nursing home. She's 92 years old and will be 93 in July. My dad died when he was almost 93..I don't know what from. My grandparents lived until they were in their 80's..Grandma died from pneumonia and probably CHF. My maternal aunt died from a cerebral hemorrhage in her 70's, and I had an invalid aunt who, I think, had cerebral palsy (no dx back in those days). She ended up in a nursing home when my dear grandmother could no longer care for her. She was at least in her middle 70's before she died.
There were some good genes in my family. I'm not beating myself up over anything I've done or anything I didn't do. To tell you the truth I'm sick and tired of worrying about it. I've read about many women on this very site who exercised, were vegetarians, were not over weight, did everything right and they got this crap anyway. $@#% happens!
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I just saw this, it looks like Sarah Palin's daughter had her baby, and named him Tripp.
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Actually, asians who reside here, have a higher incidence of breast cancer due to the americanized diet, less soy, less veggies
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PatMom. I totally agree with you, that it is an overload that causes the cancer. I know my family history very well. I have traced my ancestry back to the 1700's when they first immigrated. I knew my great grandparents, since my parents had me very young. We have lots of heart disease, the smokers had lung cancer, and diabetes. No breast cancer. My grandparents all lived long lives, except for an early heart attack. My grandmother is still alive at 92. My other grandmother had diabetes, which I feel breast cancer saved me from, because I no longer eat the way I use to. My other great grandparents lived into their late 80's and died of heart failure. My great great grandparents lived into their 90's and died of heart disease. You can see why I was so pissed I got bc. None of my grandmothers smoked. So I think that living with two, two pack a day smokers while I grew up left me vulnerable.
I do not think it matters whether or not we agree on this subject. I know some people are happy with the genetic link, but for me, I just wanted to figure out what I could do to keep it from returning. I do not like feeling that we are doomed to get cancer and we cannot do anything about it. I prefer to feel that I can beat this thing. I can see all the things that were probably causes in my case and I feel empowered that by changing these things I can fight a recurrance. Maybe it is just a placebo effect, but we all know that even placebo's work. In any event, I know I cannot control all the environmental factors that cause me to eat and breathe cancerous substances, but I sure can eat a lot of healthy stuff and exercise and take supplements to fight off all the bad stuff. So I am sticking to it, and feeling great.
Now Schokk, my dear buddy, I totally agree on the global warming stuff. Climate change happens. It is on historical record that the planet has changed from day one. If people cause this climate change then what did the few folks who around during the ice age do to cause the glaciers to melt? They were not driving cars! I DO believe we need to conserve our natural resources and find alternative sources of fuel so that we can get off mideast oil, for national security reasons. But buying these stupid carbon offsets so that celebs can justify their private jets is just totally stupid. It is a ploy for someone to make a lot of money. HMMM. Al Bore has invested and made millions in these companies. The bumbling idiot sure has sold us bill of goods. Thank God people were smart enough not to elect him president! And don't give me that crap that he really won Florida. The ballots were recounted several times!
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Shokk I do agree that some of us are pre-disposed to cancer. No doubt!!! Your marbles are in tact.
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i don't know why i got bc except for the fact that i have lupus so my immune system is seriously screwed up. throw in about 20 years of severe stress and i guess i had the right combo. my sister did have bc but she was end-stage renal and was on dialysis so at the time we thought that had something to do with it. she had mast. but no other treatment. i was never able to find out if we have the same kind ie hormone- and her2+. i do feel to blame for it being advanced, because for many reasons i neglected to have mamos for 5 years. if i had mamos and it was caught earlier perhaps i wouldn't be stage IV now. surgeon told me that wasn't it. mine was so agressive but i've wondered if she was just trying to make me not feel guilty.
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Jerseymaria, even with stage IV, people have had a lot of success with diet and exercise. It is all about strenthening a compromised immune system to fight the cancer cells. One of the books that really got me started, was by Dr. Jane Plant, and Englishwoman who thought she was doing everything right, but her tumors kept coming back. As a researcher, she looked into the low rate of bc in asian women. She illiminated environmental factors, based on stats in high pollution areas like Shanghai, and lower bc rates in Hiroshima and Nagasalki. Then she llooked at heredity and found that Asian women who moved to the west, had the same amount of bc as Western women. Then she looked at diet and noticed that there was a very low rate of bc in China and because she worked with Chinese people, she knew that they did not use any dairy products. When she eliminated dairy, including the yogurt she was being encouraged to eat by her doctors, her tumors began to shrink and she eventually cured herself. She has developed a diet that she claims has helped many others. You will be in my prayers tonight that you find something that helps.
Sorry to all of my GOP sisters for hijacking this thread!LOL You know I get started on these health issues and I do not shut up! I wish you all a Happy and Healthy New Year!!!
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Ok I'm back.........I post and then disappear for several hours...........Pat'smom I do hear what you are saying.........maybe there is a trigger.........I also believe depending on what kind of bc you have that some may have more of a genetic factor then others and then if your Father has bc you are pretty much screwed.........that is probably the strongest dna factor............
Vivre I think there is just a lot less cancer dna in the Asia dna regardless of the consumption of dairy............it's just not bc but all kinds of cancer is low in the Asia population.........when Asians migrate to the west many end up marrying into our dna pool and then the risk of cancer increases.......when you have older married Asians migrate to say the US their risk of cancer stays just as low as if they were living in their own country but as their children start to marry even into other Asia families that have been living in the US each generation of children increase their risk of cancer not so much as diet but marry into more diversified populations..........
Vivre just because you have turned liberal on us and have lost weight and on the macrobiotic sandal wearing diet and you are all skinny and all that crap you think you can tell your meat eating, potato consuming, wouldn't know a vegetable if it hit us in the face conservative sisters a thing or two.........hmmmmmmmm...............ha..............Shokk
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Well, I can wear sandals if that means I'll lose weight. IT IS politically correct on this board to share any info on losing weight. We have to be lean mean fighting conservative machines, and we'll need all our strength to do so in the coming years. And it is New Year's resolution time on top of it all.
If I were to have one request from the magic genie it would be that every woman would be given a prescription for a vitamin D test on the day she is dx'd. Men too, when they find out they have prostate cancer. Then I could put it to rest that we all are suffering from a D deficiency which opens us up to this disease.
Since we all need to keep our political wits about us, and not be worrying about this disease, those who haven't had a vitamin D test yet should do so immediately. Then I'll be at peace that we'll be keeping politics on our minds instead of breast cancer.
On the Asian diet, the one thing we should have in common with them is to drink green tea. Sorry Shirley, no sugar. The thinking there is that it keeps them from getting cancer even though they might have some bad lifestyle choices going on. They didn't use teabags when I visited Japan. They use the loose leaves and brew it. The greener the leaf, the better.
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shokk 2 things to make you feel better.........I have been a lean, mean, fitness machine for 15 years. I have low, low body fat and at 5'5" and 116lbs weight is not the culprit. None of this kept me from getting BC and as I said earlier, the ONLY "history" we have on either side of my families is a great aunt on my dad's side.........
2nd thing is I was reading my "Dog Fancy" (not ONE word Vivre...) and it has a huge article in it about how cancer is 2nd cause of death in dogs and they have tied it in to almost 100% environment. On 100's of dogs that died of cancer, when they did testing on them afterwards they always found high levels of diff "chemicals" so def a contributing factor for dogs.
Oh now wait a minute!!! Shokk I cant rem now if you are for "genetic" cause BC or "environment" caused BC.....!!!!!! Shoot, this may or may not make you feel better!
Shokk you are beautiful today (that hopefully makes you feel better)
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Schokk, You always make me laugh-as usual! I just want to let you know, I lost two pounds over the holidays in spite of the fact that I baked at least 1000 cookies (10 varieties), that I mostly give away, I made a big Italian Christmas Eve with homemade pasta, and then had the inlaws (30 people) over for the weekend and made 2 hams, and 2 big pots of soup. They all went nuts over the brie with cranberry relish, even though I left it in the oven so long it melted! I also made a turkey breast and mashed potatoes, for my guys, for Christmas lunch, since Christmas dinner with my DH family is usually sandwiches! I always bring the salad so there is something good to eat. The key is to cook so much, you get sick of smelling the food, so you do not eat as much. Oh, and I have been become addicted to Pelegrino with lemon and lime and I drink lots of herbal tea which was the main thing on my wish list, from a local tea shoppe that mixes incredible teas.
Now I bet that makes you hate me even more!!
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Dang it Vivre.......#**@*#$*$# @#*$^#@( *&%@$#@##******........lose weight......think you are better then your fat bc sister....@*#*@*#*@@**#@#......and Moody don't want to hear any nonsense out you you skinny #@(**(#*@#^$***$&%&#.........personal trainer my back side.......blah, blah, blah..........yada yada yada...........pleazzzzzzz.........give me a break....I baked a thousand cookies and lost two pounds.......@*#@#***.........so there........I am waddling off to find something to eat.........Shokk
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Since I had DIEP with my mastectomy I've ended up with a flat stomach. A lot of people at my work don't know the details of my illness, so they keep asking how can I have such flat stomach when I don't exercise and they do all the crunches and still have some flab.. I just smile and tell them it's genetics.
As far as why cancer happens, I think we could compare it to a computer program. I am a software engineer so I understand computers well
So our bodies have all the cells functioning properly and then one day something triggers one of them to behave abnormally which at the end causes a cancer. Same with the computer programs that are designed to handle all the conditions ( in theory of course). In practice even the most sophisticated and well tested programs have a weak sport. For example if you press a key just at the right time and at the right place you can cause a program to malfunction because it did not expert that rare event. Most of the time programs can eventually recover on their own, but in a small percentage of cases they cannot. The big difference here is that one can reboot a computer
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i want someone to reboot me...and quick, lol.
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Shokk you love me, and you cant help yourself. No matter how hard you try to hate me, you just cant do it, so might as well give it up.
ijl I have heard some where (cant rem who or where) that we all have cancer cells, but most of the time the never do anything, they stay "dormant". Anyway, that sometimes a "trauma" or "illness" can trigger these cancer cells to "wake up" and multiply. I have to wonder if this was in fact the case for me. I had Rocky Mountain Spotted Fever Sept 2007 and was dx with BC 2/1/08. My surgeon said it was possible as the size of the tumor correlated with 5 - 6 months growth! Just something to ponder. And think about the number of women here who had Lupus before BC..........Just sayin.........
jerseymaria I just want someone to wake me up, as this HAS to be a bad dream!
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Jerseymaria, DO NOT...DO NOT BLAME YOURSELF! I had those boobs compressed every year. Nine months later I found my 4.5 cm tumor. I had 5 out of 9 nodes postive WITH estranodal extension. And, I just had a little scare. I had a lymph node a little swolen on the back of my neck. It was sore (this was two weeks ago) and I had to go to my primary for my six months checkup. He also felt it and estimated it was about a cm. I just went back for him to check it and I told him I couldn't feel it anymore and neither could he! I had two hours of work done in my mouth (temporary crowns) and I'm wondering if that's what caused the node to swell since I had not been sick. Got my real crowns today and told the dentist he'd be getting a bill from my primary for causing my lymph node to swell.
Shokk, I second your post. I do not like Moody, Linda, I guess Rosemary's skinny too (so I don't like her if she is), any of these skinny women. But watch out..I'm gonna lose some of this weight..I'm gonna get on my treadmill....LOL Well, let's say I'll give it a try. But if I bake a 1000 cookies I'll be sitting around eating them instead of walking.
Rosemary, I'm taking one green tead supplement. I probably should take two. Do you remember us discussing too much green tea causing liver enzymes to increase? I mentioned this to my oncology PA and she said that some of the people there were drinking loads of green tea and their liver enzymes went up. She did say that there's some studies going on (something like that) on curcumin..she heard good news about it and about green tea. AND, you are SO right about the vitamin D check. I asked my dental assistant today if she's taking D because she said she doesn't get out in the sun. She knows nothing about D, nor do I believe my primary doctor does. I told him I was taking 3000 IUs right now because six months ago it dropped when I was taking 2000. It's up to 47 right now. I don't know if these labs know what they doing.
I need to get back to the alternative thread. I have checked out Gina's site a bit and read what Constantine is saying. Nothing much new right now.
Okay, back to politics. Blago has named a Senator. The dimwitted idiot!
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Shirley stop kidding yourself. You love me too and no use denying it. Wont work. You love me, you really love me...
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LMBO, Moody! I'm just jealous.
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Moody, they love me, you're too skinny!
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I am happy to see that Obama is supporting the Israeli's self defense against HAMAS! I was afraid he was going to be more Pro-Palestinian.
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Rock one can never be too skinny or too rich......I'm def not rich, and I am not "skinny" in fact I need to lose 5 more lbs to get back to pre-cancer weight. And yes they do love you
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Hey Schokk, I guess I really got your riled up. LOL Well here is the real story: I did lose 2 pounds but I am sure is was all the fasting and colon cleanse for the procedure. It was really a couple of crappy days! But my doc said I win the prize for the cleanest colon. LOL I just wanted to get your goat. But I did not eat many of those cookies! I still have a few dozen left if you want some.
Moody, I think we need to get these girls together for a boot camp and whip them into shape so they will stop hating us! I can't take all this animosity. I always hated the skinny girls too so I know where they are coming from.
BTW Shirley, I no longer get mammos because I think all that compression and radiation causes bc and they did not catch mine. I felt the lump. I just got off the phone with my dear friend who went with me two weeks ago and had a thermograph. She had a mammo that did not show anything, but therm did. Her OB looked at the therm and was very impressed that it showed something suspicious exactly where she was saying she felt something. Her doc is a cancer survivor who has become the picture of health since changing his lifestlyle and going holistic. He is sending her for an MRI with the therm as the model, not the mammo. I am also referring her to my surgeon for the biopsy if needed so that he will stop pestering me to get another torture treatment. If men had their babies smashed, and there was a safer and painless alternative, you can bet the standard of care would be changed immediately.
Note to everyone: If I can do it you can too. I have been carrying around this weight since I had kids, that was 26 years ago! All it takes is a committment to eat healthy.
Shirley. The curcumin is great. I also take grape seed supplements and use grape seed oil as my moisturizer. Keep taking that vit. D too!
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