wood smoke...the other second hand smoke

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I actually volunteer for this nonprofit group. Clean Air Revival, Inc., www.burningissues.org .

I got involved last year when our next door neighbor's chimney smoke infiltrated our home almost everyday and we all became sick. I post here because my mother has metastatic breast cancer.  I have been her caregiver for the last 2 and a half years. I had no idea wood burning produced so many toxins. I really never thought about it, and I'll even admit I used to like the way it smelled. That was until last winter. We had a terrible time with these neighbors and even though they knew my mother had metastatic breast cancer and was on oxygen ....and they witnessed the strong smell of smoke in our home...they would not stop.  They told us to get better windows and buy more air purifiers and even told us to move. They burn for ambiance, not heat. Believe me it was a nightmare. I ended up in the ER with asthma, which I had never had and suddenly I needed 2 inhaled medications. My daughter suffered 2 double ear infections with high fevers. The health department finally shut them down, but not until spring. EPA certified wood stoves are said to give off less particulate matter 2.5 but their output is more carcinogenic. They give off more dioxin for example. Google dioxin and breast cancer. This is a real eye opener, and with my heart and the best intentions I wanted to share this story. 

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  • juliebb
    juliebb Member Posts: 140
    edited October 2008
    1. http://burningissues.org/car-www/index.html  see if this works. Ok...it doesn't.  How do I get the link to work? Can someone please help me? ThanksKiss

    <a href="http://burningissues.org/car-www/index.html">CLICK HERE</a> 

    www.burningissues.org 

  • juliebb
    juliebb Member Posts: 140
    edited October 2008

    http://burningissues.org/car-www/medical_effects/dioxin.html  <b>html</b> [b]BB[/b]

    Sorry I keep bumping this I just can't make the link work.  It says I have to disable popup window blocker.  

  • juliebb
    juliebb Member Posts: 140
    edited December 2008

    My neighbors keep burning their wood (It's for aesthetics, not heat). The Health Department reversed the cease and desist even though the inspector they sent to our home last winter said the smoke inside our home burned his eyes, he experienced the smoke all throughout our home, he witnessed all the plastic on our windows and doors and the air purifiers, and he said there was nothing more we could do to keep the smoke out. They were on our side last year, now they decided they don't want to take on wood burning residential pollution. Pollution is pollution!!!!  It is ruining our health and making my mother worse.

    It all has to do with the neighbors' addition and how it is traps the air ....all the smoke emissions from their chimney and then the smoke engulfs our property and the inside of our home. We are going to go ahead with the attorney, we might also go to the media. My daughter has another bad respiratory infection which she developed shortly after a major smoke out last week. Now my mother has a respiratory infection too. My mother's lungs have been damaged due to a Taxotere pulmonary toxicity. She's been on oxygen since. She must do breathing treatments throughout the day to keep her lungs clear and open. She is highly susceptible to pneumonia, which in her condition would be life threatening. She also has tumors that bleed in her lungs that are easily irritated. It's criminal. 

    Can anyone else offer any suggestions? I am active with a local anti-pollution group and we went to the advisory committee (to the health dept..air pollution division) and told my story and begged for help. If anyone here has any clever political ideas or media ideas or legal advice, I would be so appreciative.

  • TenderIsOurMight
    TenderIsOurMight Member Posts: 4,493
    edited December 2008

    I'm very sorry to hear of your ongoing struggles. If your house is so close to your neighbors that the chimney emissions/smoke encompasses your airspace so quickly, perhaps it's a question of the size of their chimney smoke stake, and angle of emissions from it. I have a wood burning stove, and when a minor hurricane took the smoke stack down, the insurance company was very insistent on reviewing the circumference of the metal smoke stake as well as its height. Height was apparently important to take the emission up and out. Wind somehow figures into the needed height I believe. So regulations are written, and perhaps this is where a chimney specialist might first advise you, so discussion with your neighbors may be of lower key before other.
     
    I always wished to thank you for bringing this topic forward. Because of your post and readings, we have shied away from wood-burning this year very successfully. Have you given a copy of your learnings on the dangers of wood burning to your neighbors, by chance?
     
    Wishing you well in a difficult situation,
    Tender 
  • vivre
    vivre Member Posts: 2,167
    edited December 2008

    You might want to check to see if your neighbor's house is up to code. Find out if their chimney meets the building code standards. For instance it has to be a certain height and width.

    I feel so badly for you to have to put up with this. Getting away from all my neighbors' pollution was the reason I moved a few years ago. I hated living on top of people. I know not everyone can do this, but you might really consider this. Maybe you can make a claim on your insurance company to improve your house. My friend had to take out all her carpets and formaldyhyde building materials because she had such an extreme reaction. She was able to get them to pay for some of it.

    I am so thankful that I built a house with concrete walls. When my neighbors burn, I close the windows and no smoke permeates. I know this is no consolation to you, but if I were in your shoes, I would do all I could to get out of dodge!

  • Jenniferz
    Jenniferz Member Posts: 541
    edited December 2008

    Does your state have a commission of environmental quality? We do, and we had to get intouch with them when a farmer had pulverized his field for planting.....four months early. We live right across the road, and after 4 days of 20 mph winds and constant sand, we did call them.  And they were on OUR side.

    This may be something to consider if things don't change.  People may not do things intentionally, but they need to be mindful of consequences to others. For the health person to say that there was nothing he could do--that was just wrong.  Report him.

    Jennifer

    Edited--Our case is "open" until we close it.  The farmer has broken up the soil in such a way that it is rough and the soil is not baby-powder fine. It did make a difference.

  • juliebb
    juliebb Member Posts: 140
    edited December 2008

    Dear Tender and vivre,

    Thank you both for your replies. I believe, from what the health department old us, that the chimney is to code.  I should check with building inspectors though like you two suggested. Their addition, with this low chimney, and all the fencing traps all the smoke. There is no breezeway and the smoke just hovers on our property because we have open yards, no walls or fences. The smoke just seems to spill this way.

    What I can smell and is burning my eyes and causing ill respiratory effects (coughing, asthma flare, infection) could also be doing the same amount of damage if I couldn't smell the smoke. I've learned about the particulate matter, such as (PM2.5) which is small enough to get into the newer tighter sealed homes with ease, because the particulates are so small, small enough to fit into a red blood cell and way too small to be filtered by nasal passages. It's similar to diesel exhaust PM2.5. What I am trying to say is that sometimes you can't see or smell smoke, but it's there and it can be doing damage. Like carbon monoxide, you can't see, smell, or taste it, but it's fatal. These small particles are so small that they act like a gas. They bring with them bacteria, viruses, mold, toxins,  etc into the lung's moist environment where it then brings all the garbage directly into your bloodstream. They can even transport radon into your lungs if you have high levels in your home. With all of this, you can see how it would and does depress the immune system.

    Tender, I am so glad you chose to not burn this year. I would have never known any of this if we hadn't gotten so sick last year. I have learned so much.  Also, I have sent this information on to my neighbors and they disregard it, because they love their wood burning fireplace so much. My husband is an internal medicine doctor, a well respected one in our city too. He told our neighbors, as a physician, why and how wood burning is harmful. We gave scientific literature form several resources.  It's been quite useless and they continue to stink up the entire street. 

    We are looking to move. This is my mother's home, where I was born and raised. My father passed a few years back and my mom wanted to stay here. She's very close to her doctors and her hospital. 

    I agree moving is best. vivre, I know what you mean about the formaldyhyde. Our environment today is so much more toxic than it was many years ago.  There are so many more chemicals and of these chemicals many are not even regulated. Perfume, scented products (fabric softeners and detergents), air fresheners are some of the most toxic things people have in their own homes, and they don't even realize the chemicals in these products are unsafe and are not regulated.

    Tender, thanks for thanking me.  I am quite passionate about spreading the word about "The other second hand smoke." Thank you and vivre for your advice and compassion. 

    SIncerely,

    Julie 

  • juliebb
    juliebb Member Posts: 140
    edited December 2008

     Jennifer,

    I just saw your post.  Thanks, I will look into that. I hadn't thought about that approach. I will ask my friends that have been helping me locally (an non-profit anti-pollution group).  They might know where to direct me.

    I am sorry about the troubles with your neighbor, but am so glad you were able to get it resolved and that they were reasonable.  

    Thanks again,

    Sincerely,

    Julie 

  • juliebb
    juliebb Member Posts: 140
    edited December 2008

    http://www.burningissues.org/car-www/highlights.html

    Excuse me again for not doing the link correctly. This is a highlight page of this site.  Here you can easily click onto facts and the brochures.

    HAPPY NEW YEAR!!!!!!!Kiss

    I know some people here, who like me,  would love to get an Environmental Risks/Prevention board started here. Maybe with this thought I'll do a poll.

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