reconstruction or not ?????
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I really do not think you need any more surgery. There are side effects to consider and why do that to yourself? We need to focus more on what is inside a person and ot what is on the outside. I would recommed no surgery, get a prosthesis, pop that in and go out! That's what I do and I am totally happy with that.
Jesus looks on the heart and we need to do that tool!
Sandy
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Hi Everyone,
I am soooo glad I found this site, I went to a plastic surgeon on thursday, she was wonderful,...........but when she told me there would be a second surgery and another twoo weeks off work..............also my deduct on insurrance will show up again.
So I just needed to see how anyone else was handling it, I am only getting one breast removed, she did say that she could put the silicon implant in right away but she had NEVER done that before, and like some of you others had said she kept pushing for me to do both so they would look perfect, well a am 55 an d like you say who knows under clothes.
Please tell me where you get that amoena's bra and insurance may cover it?? My surgery is sch for dec 29 so I need to decide soon any help I would love thanks Pamela
I did 3 rounds of chemo first...............
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Pamela, I looked around my area for stores that sold breast prostheses and mastectomy bras. Some were retail stores that catered to women with cancer; others were orthopedic supply places that happened to have someone trained in fitting breast forms and bras.
I stopped at one of the retail stores specializing in things for BC patients. The salesperson told me up-front that they were an authorized supplier for my insurance company and they would file all the insurance forms. So, when I finally went there to be fitted for a breast form and mast bra, all I had to do was show them my insurance card and I.D.--just like at the doctor's office.
I paid cash for what they calculated would be the difference between my insurance allowance and the cost of what I was buying. (Some forms and bras cost more than the allowance.) A few weeks later, I received a claims statement from my insurance and a final bill from the store for the remaining amount due (the 20% co-pay).
Some women buy mast bras and forms on-line. I don't know how that works with insurance coverage.
otter
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Dear 1Cathi and any others who wish to answer me with honesty,
I had a prophylactic bilateral mastectory (lcis) in Feb 08. I had a strong family history of cancer and wanted to increase the quality of my life by eliminating ongoing worry. I opted for a 1 step alloderm reconstruction, suggested by my surgeon. It failed terribly, due to many bad judgements and mistakes made by my plastic surgeon. Everything was removed by another PS 4 weeks late. A skin graft from my leg was needed to close one side that had become so necrotic that primary closure was impossible.
I got involved in PT, am addressing the issure of the donor site on my thigh healing slowly, and have gone on as best I can with my life.
Here is my question - how are you women/girls able to come to terms with a body that is no longer a sexy curvy asset. I look at clothes in stores and wonder if I will be able to wear them. I am very aware that ALTHOUGH MY FALSIES ARE GREAT, I FEEL LIKE THE GOODS ARE GONE WITHOUT BREASTS. HOW DOES ONE COME TO FEEL LIKE A FINE "HUNK OF WOMAN," YES, EVEN A QUIET REFINED BABE, WITHOUT BREASTS? I KNOW I WILL NEVER HAVE RECONSTRUCTION. I HAVE HAD ENOUGH SURGERY AND AM FEELING UNDERSTANDABLY DISTRUSTFUL OF THE MEDICAL PROFESSION.
So Cathi and all you other beautiful, strong womanly woman, how do you do it? What do you tell yourself to be able to accept your new bodies?
femme
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femme,
I had bilateral w/ free tram flap and 3 weeks later it failed. That was in May 2007. I had a very hard time at first, especially the idea of having undergone such a horrific surgery that didn't work. But I was sure I ddn't want to undergo more surgery and frankly had lost confidence in the plastic surgery process. I would say I went through a pretty long period of mourning for my breasts and still have those moments but they aren't as frequent. I think its important to allow yourself that period. I am comfortable with my prostheses and look good wearing them. They aren't saggy like my real breasts were! I am exercising alot and have a flat stomach due to the tram and its kind of interesting seeing the muscles on my chest develop, if a little weird. One thing that has helped me is realizing that there is a lot of suffering in the world. Everyone endures loss in their lives and if you can adjust and enjoy the good things you've been given rather than focusing on the bad you will be happier in life. All in all I don't feel like not having breasts is one of the worst things that can happen. I just decided I wasn't going to let that ruin the time I do have. Also after enduring the surgeries and the period of healing I am just grateful to feel healthy. I hope this helps a little.
Jennifer
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femme,
I had bilateral w/ free tram flap and 3 weeks later it failed. That was in May 2007. I had a very hard time at first, especially the idea of having undergone such a horrific surgery that didn't work. But I was sure I ddn't want to undergo more surgery and frankly had lost confidence in the plastic surgery process. I would say I went through a pretty long period of mourning for my breasts and still have those moments but they aren't as frequent. I think its important to allow yourself that period. I am comfortable with my prostheses and look good wearing them. They aren't saggy like my real breasts were! I am exercising alot and have a flat stomach due to the tram and its kind of interesting seeing the muscles on my chest develop, if a little weird. One thing that has helped me is realizing that there is a lot of suffering in the world. Everyone endures loss in their lives and if you can adjust and enjoy the good things you've been given rather than focusing on the bad you will be happier in life. All in all I don't feel like not having breasts is one of the worst things that can happen. I just decided I wasn't going to let that ruin the time I do have. Also after enduring the surgeries and the period of healing I am just grateful to feel healthy. I hope this helps a little.
Jennifer
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Jennifer, I can't begin to tell you how much your post helps. I would like to be above it all; able to say "no big deal." I am working towards a modified version of this goal. Perhaps it is not such a big deal, but as i am passing through the acceptance of the loss of my breasts, I am having a difficult time. I think too, that when doctors make huge mistakes that impact on our health, it is very demoralizing. Your noting that not having breasts is not the worst thing in the world and that there are much worse things that can happen, sits right with me
Are there any other words of wisdom that I can pull out and use to help navigate the trauma and sadness I feel? There are so many wise woman here, from all walks of life, I have a sense that our cumulative strength - religious, secular, humanistic, can be very helpful.
I hope I do not sound selfish. I know I am so lucky to have survived all this. It would be so great if this thread could be an emotionally intelligent resource for getting over the bumps of not having our own "bumps."
femme
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Thank you all for being here. I was dx on Tuesday and return today to discuss my options. I have decided that I will ask for a bilat and no recon. I have read so many things about muscle lost that I am not willing to change my life enough to compensate for those issues. Example, I read about not being able to canoe,(paddling) That is my leisure activity. My husband and I also remodle houses, I need my muscles. Thanks again for reinforcing my decision. Marjorie
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I also appreciate this site. I am having bilateral mastectomies on Wednesday (Dec. 10th) after having an unsuccessful lumpectomy in November. These are tough decisions and I have been experiencing anticipatory grief over the loss of my breasts. I think it's good to mourn--I am not my breasts, I focus on other attributes, I will make the best of things. BUT I am losing what I have always considered the most attractive part of my body and it makes me sad. Last week I went to the plastic surgeon and concluded more surgery and the possible complications outlined on this thread were not for me. Today I went with my daughter to the Breast Prosthesis shop and it helped immensely. I am having custom radiant impression forms made and we picked out the color and cast my nipple so they can use that when they make them. The selection of ready made forms are also excellent. Things have come along way with breast forms and I know that will help my adjustment. My husband and I also did a tasteful "photo-shoot" the other night as a farewell ritual--that was bittersweet--but also fun and healing as well. Blessings to all on this journey...
Sara
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Vivian
Hi........I had a unilateral mast in march with no recon. Like many others here I could not fathom undergoing more surgery immediatly, especially one that I knew very little about. I found it enough to deal with the loss of a breast first and my mind was telling me I sure was not ready to deal with more worries then. I have no problem wearing my foob and even forget at times that I am. At home I am comfortable to just go without. I do think our minds and bodies need time to heal and accept before we try to replace what has been taken. It's a decision that should not be rushed into.
Femme, love who you are first, the rest will follow. Since losing my breast I found I have been more than ever loving who I am and where I'm at. It has helped me to be more daring actually in the way I dress and trying new looks. I have a sense of adventure now when shopping for new clothes that make me look and feel good and wear things I never would have before!!!! I'm quite impressed with how the foob looks and feels in clothing and no one is the wiser. Don't let this take from you anymore than what it already has. You need to stake your claim.......I AM WOMAN!!!
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Hi again, Viv--
I had to chuckle at this statement: "I had a unilateral mast in march with no recon. Like many others here I could not fathom undergoing more surgery immediately, especially one that I knew very little about."
What's ironic is that I might have considered having recon ... that is, until I learned more about it! My breast surgeon (a surgical onco) referred me to a breast recon specialist, just so I could find out what the options might be in my case. After looking at drawings of how the various recon surgeries were done, watching a video, and seeing the post-surgery photos in the surgeon's album, ... my dh turned several shades of green, and I said, "Thanks, but no thanks!". I asked my surgeon to leave me with a nice, smooth, flat scar on my left side, and she did.
The same was true of a colleague of mine. Ten years ago, when she was dx'd with a fairly large tumor and was facing a mastectomy, she quickly decided to have recon. A couple of years later, she developed another primary on the other side. Her response was totally different that time: No way was she having recon again. She said if she had known what was involved and what the recovery would be like, she would never have chosen recon after her first surgery.
To each her own, though. I'm happy with my new, $$$ mast bras and official foob. I'm even happier with my $9 soft cotton bra from KMart and the fiberfill puffy/comfy I got for free from the local American Cancer Society Office. I just slip that puffy in there every morning and go on my way.
I was checking it out just last night, and if I didn't know which side was which, I couldn't tell by feeling it or looking.
otter
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I want to thank you all for your responses, both before and after I requested heartening words about lack of breasts. I am enriched by the solid, pragmatic and yes, womanly answers that I have been reading. In reality I can not tell that my breasts are not mine when I am clothed. I have been wearing little foam (size 3) forms in an ABC - style 106 mast bra. I have full arm and muscle strength which is needed for my occupation as an artist and sculptor. I am starting to shop for cool accessories.
It is funny, because to some degree I know everything that you all have been saying. I do not want the pain, possible compromise of arm strength, more interaction with doctors, and risks that are always inherent in surgery. It is now, just now, that my gut is ready to really "hear" all of your responses. If you don't get tired of writing them, I won't get tired of reading them. Please keep your personal words of widsom, ideas and thoughts that you live by,... flowing.
Thanks from femme (of the great jewelry and nice looking feet)!
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I have to tell you that I feel very liberated being boobless. I choose to go without prost. I do have some that I could wear if I found a top I really loved but it needed boobs. But I find shopping in the petit section helpful. I look for tops with no darts. If I wear a lower neckline I use camies underneath. Vests and sweaters are good too if you are self conscious. Personally, I don't think many people even notice. I think people are more likely to notice big boobs rather than no or tiny boobs.
In my mind, I did not see the point of having fake, unfeeling lumps surgically implanted to fill out a shirt. It was not important to me. And I have had some slight feeling return over the months. I have put the question out there to recon girls about whether or not they have any feeling after mast with implants but no one has ever responded.
I hope you recon girls out there do not take my position as being judgmental of your personal decision to have the surgery. I understand that others would not be comfortable going the route I have chosen. I simply want those making the decision to know that you can be perfectly happy without recon.
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I had a single mastectomy two weeks ago and have found the amoena cami comfortable and helpful -- with the fiberfilling it gives enough shape to look fine under clothes. All Nordstrom stores (at least all in our area) have highly trained specialists for post-surgical fittings. They handle the prostheses as well as the Amoena camis. They work with insurance companies, too. I haven't purchased a prosthesis yet (waiting for a little more healing) but a friend who had bc three years ago found the local specialty store old and depressing. She left there and went to Nordstrom, which was great. You can call ahead to be sure the specialist will be there.
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Thank you for saying that, prettyinpink! That's how I've been feeling in making my decision, and I'm happy to hear that you still feel like that post-surgery. I go in a week from today for my surgery, so next week I'll be breast free, and hopefully will feel as liberated as you feel.
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I live in NYC. I found the fitters at small specialty boutiques that were recommended by a male bc surgeon to be hovering and somewhat impatient. They most importantly do not have a wide selection of brands and styles and were quite expensive.
I do not think we have a Nordstrom store in NYC. Perhaps I am wrong. Does anyone know of a store like Nordstroms in NYC that has a large selection of prosthesis and good fitters?
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Dear Femme,
Sorry it has taken me so long to reply, have been dealing with the flu and not on to much lately.
Honestly - I am not quite sure HOW I came to mental grips with all of this, except to say that I HAD HAD ENOUGH, in 2 years I had had 4 big surgeries, many-many biopsies, tests, treatments, etc,etc.
It took me a year to finally decide on the bilat W/No recon, last yer when I started leaning towards mastectomy, I was actually very seriously considering recon. But much study and talk helped me to come to the choice of no recon, and with the healing issues I have had on the rads side, I most certienly made the right choice.
Was I worried and scared about my "new look", would my husband (of only 2 yrs ) still love and want me, oh I was worried for awhile. But his endless support and my endless need to be healthy, out weighed having BOOBS.
I have always been quite a judgemental person of myself -to fat, to skinny, hair is bad -what ever. Well now, as often as I can I just look in the mirror - and see something nice about me!
As far as the cloths thing - IT is trial and error - I wear my prosthesis, and sometimes I don't. I have found I have had to make a few adjustments, but not many. I agree with the dartless/seamless tops as much as possible - easy to wear those tops with and without foobs.
I am not kidding myself in thinking that everyday will be a perfect day, I have looked and missed -but only for a second - because the reality of being alive and happy is bigger.
Femme as with anything - try your best not to concentrate on what you "DON'T" have concentrate on what you do -
my motto so to speak is - if the boobs are no more -then work on the ASSATUDE
Good wishes to you all.
XOXOXOXOXOXO -Cathi
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femme,
Make a day of it and go to the Short Hills Mall in New Jersey! They have a Nordstroms as well as many other fine stores.
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femme, I also live in an area that does not have a Nordstrom's, so that's why I went to one of the small, cancer-specialty botiques. All the larger department stores around here cater to 18-year-old college coeds. I asked once at Dillard's about mastectomy bras, and the clerk looked at me like I had two heads (instead of one boob).
That said, I did notice one day when shopping at the local (small) JC Penney, that there was a stack of small catalogs there for Jodee "Post-Mastectomy fashions." I took a catalog and looked through it, and it looks pretty thorough. I also signed up on the JC Penney website for future mailings about Jodee. Jodee sells some nice-looking bras, a few breast forms, and some swimwear.
Apparently, the larger JC Penney stores do have "certified fitters" that have been trained to fit mastectomy patients. I assume those larger stores might also have Jodee products available on-site, but I don't know for sure. I haven't bought anything from them, but if there's a large JC Penney near you, you might call them to see if they do prosthesis fittings.
otter
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hi there, I kkeep loseing this site!! I am so glad I found it agin, I started a sir called Not doing reconstruction but most of the girls that answered me were ones that had recon?? My surgery is Dec 29 and I have decided against recon at this point!!! Thank you for all your thoughts..I still amd a lot scared .................I will write more latter have to run Pamela8
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Hi Pamela,
Making a decision is the first step, and recon or not is a personal choice. Of coarse making a decision does not lesson the fear of the process sometimes, I was scared right until the minute they put me under the anestesia, not scared about my choice, just scared of surgery in general.
It's a hard time of year to be facing surgery, but on the other hand with the holidays at our door step it may be a good thing to keep your mind busy.
Just plan on taking it easy for a few weeks, NO LIFTING, its not a cake walk but if you follow DR's orders and don't push yourself and over due it you will bounce back and be up and about before you realize.
Wishing you a speedy and uneventful surgery and recovery...
XOXOXOXOXOXO - Cathi
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Hi Cathi,
So if I am reading this right you did not do recon either?? I I just realized that now that I have made a decision I need to decide about bra's etc.....................would you tell me what you have found, I orta have to decide fast because my deduct on insurance comes back into effect on Jan 1..............................looking at different things. Thanks for any information you give me!! Pamela
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Hi Pamela,
if you go to the top of this thread (or any thread) On the right you can click 'Add to my Favorite Topics' Then under your My Home...You will have better luck keeping track of it.
Its Neat we will both be having Surgery on the 29th : )
Pam
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I agree 100% with PIP. I'm actually much more comfortable WITHOUT the girls. It just took a "load" off....physically, as well as mentally! Everyone is different though. I wish you all the best!
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This is a great thread. Thanks to everyone for sharing your stories.
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Hi!! This is also strange cause one of your times was july 9th and that is my birthday!! Hope all goes well for you!! Pamela
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Hi Pamela / All,
My insurance Blue Cross Blue Shiled, paid 100% for 4 bras and the prosthesis that fit in those, I have a great feeling and comfy bra (my favorite ) that is ABC brand, I have 2 by JODEE, just slightly less comfy, but I like those alot as they have lace between the cups that gives a Cami appearance under a lower cut top. I have also started the process for Radiant Impressions (form fitting) you can wear those in your own bra, but because they are cast/molded, I have to wait until March (6/mo after surgery) to insure my swelling and concavedness is at it's least.
I have told several other ladies here on the boards, I really don't wear the prosthesis all that much, so far (2/months today) I have been very comfortable with my new me.
You can google up Radiant Impressions, if my insurance was not paying I most likely would not incure that expense.
I have to tell you, it is kind of funny, I work from home, sometimes I will wear them if I go out in the day, and I will be sitting here (just like now) and look on my desk, and there lay my "girls" my hubby came home one day and came into my office and said "hon can yeah put your boobs back where they belong" what if one of your clients stops in.
Some people misplace there glasses - I misplace my boobs.
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I had a bilateral mastectomy Dec. 8. The drains came out yesterday. I'm still pretty lumpy and bruised looking sans clothes, but after getting dressed, I'm getting used to the breastfree look at home. I admit to wearing 'puffies' when I go out, but I'm a newbie at this.
After a lot of agonizing over the big recon decision, I opted not to have reconstruction for at least a year, despite a fair amount of pressure from the surgeons to "wake up from surgery and still have breasts". Breasts? Well, no, I don't think so!
. Foobs, yes--oh, I love that term! But what really kept me from being persuaded to take immediate action was the realization that I would need to sacrifice good muscle, a point that many women have made in their posts here. I was also horrified at the amount of additional OR time required (2-8+ hrs were the estimates I was given for tissue expanders and flaps, respectively) for recon. The surgeons should be required to tell you about those numbers, but that information that seemed to come out only after I was pushing to get it.
Wish I had found this discussion thread before surgery. I'd have been a lot more relaxed going in. But as my husband pointed out, it's much easier on your body not to do it immediately, and there's nothing that says you can't change your mind after you've fully healed. Since many MDs don't seem to point that out, we have to do it for one another, and then support a woman's right to choose.
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My breast surgeon never pressured me to reconstruct, although she did insist I visit a plastic surgeon so I had that knowledge as well, for that I am greatful. My surgeons assistant however was totally amazed I was not going to reconstruct, almost to the point of being annoying, he even looked at my husband one day and said "your ok with this"
DUH -YEAH I LOVE HER!!!!
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I was diagnosed in March of 2007 and had a unilateral mastectomy. In January of this year I attempted TRAM recon, that failed. Not only was that side flat, it was verrrry flat! In March of this year I was diagnosed again, with a new primary. I chose to have another mastectomy. I told my PS I wasn't interested in recon but he chose to do a skin sparing mastectomy. So I have my one flat side and one side that looks like a droopy eye lid! After that surgery I was diagnosed BRCA 2+ and had a hysterectomy/oophorectomy to try and stay ahead of this beast. I had 5 surgeries in 15 months and I decided I was DONE. My body, soul, mind and spirit need to heal and rest.
I have to firmly believe that my life is worth more that two mounds of flesh. Even with recon I still would have no feeling in them, plus months of fills, surgery and more pain. My biggest fear is if I have recon, how would I be able to feel if a lump was under the implants? I need to take some control over my life. I choose not to wear my prosthesis as they are uncomfortable and rub along one of my scars. Clothes shopping is difficult and I still have my days when I wish I had breasts. But then I think how fortunate and blessed I am to have survived this and that I have a husband who loves me for who I am, not how well I look in clothes...
Linda
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