Positive Obama thread

ijl wrote:



mke,



Can you please name a program that the government did not screw up ? Surely it's not Medicare or SS. Government bureaucrats have no accountability or responsibility and you will have no recourse.





No I can't think of anything that the US gov. has run, or that any government has run that hasn't had problems or errors. Nor can I think of anything that any company or organization has run that hasn't had problems or errors. I can't think of anything that I have done that couldn't possibly have been done better.



But I do know that through my 3 childbirths, 3 rounds of breastcancer, assorted colds, broken bones and cuts my family and I have walked in, presented our health cards and been treated. No forms to fill out, no approval to be gained.



Look at the statistics. For infant mortality, morbidity, and longevity the US fares worse than most industrialized countries but they spend more per capita than any other country. Time magazine did an article a couple weeks ago on health in the US, you might find it interesting.

I hate the  anti-immigrant...illegal aliens don't belong here chatter. My ex's  great-granddad immigrated here from Denmark... illegally ...oops... got married, had a family, worked, got his citizenship and died here.

I think that the anti- illegal immigrant rhetoric  makes all  people who speak Spanish targets of  the cwazy folks who need to hate anyone different from them.

When I  was a young woman and working for every cause I could find, including my own,  I obviously missed these people who carry on about MY  country. I never met them back then..Thank God. This country  was originally the home of Native Americans; so who died and left all these angry people spewing so much anger and hate on talk radio. Is it any wonder an Ecuadorian man was jumped by several young  American men and killed here  a  few weeks ago? This angry hateful rhetoric has to GOT TO  stop.

Yeah Obama, Those lying stealing Wall street Bankers??? got what they wanted from Congress, under false pretenses and did what they wanted; they rescued banks. Commerce bank, in the city is now TD bank,  with more to come. I don't blame Congress or the auto industry; I blame Wall Street. Even Greenspan was shocked at their dishonesty.

None of  us knew Wall street had made  IOUs..hmm... I mean, "credit default swaps" the bulwark of our mortgage business. And none of us knew that someone in Congress  had allowed Wall street to  get rid of the up tick rule, so that Hedge funds gone wild...I love Cranmer...could short, short ,short and crush Any business they went after in an afternoon, with abandon.

And I  will not forget how the powers that be manipulated our  commodities markets. Remember $145.00 per barrel oil last July..wheat?

Wall Street  crooks are the main impetus for our recession, not the auto companies, even if they did keep making  SUV's we enjoyed and  the mini-vans we drove to cart our kiddos around; they didn't cause this financial collapse.

However,  somehow, the Republican senators who have  foreign auto companies, with no unions in their states, have decided that those BAD  Detroit car companies must die.NOW. 

 I haven't forgotten,  all the wall street machinations, not commented on by the Republicans senators during the 700 dollar Tarp fund hearings.

 Not one banker had to present a formal restructuring bail out/loan package, to get one thin dime from Congress; now the Republicans want the Union workers to give up wages/benefits, not in two years at contract's end, but NOW.

BAH Humbug.

Ignore me PLEASE.  Call me names PLEASE.

I cannot believe what I'm reading here.  Hate?  You call republicans HATEFUL?  This is the most hateful thread I have ever read.  I belonged to a totally different kind of forum a few years ago and this thread is as hateful or even more hateful than that one was.

Kennedy was a Catholic so I think he was telling US what the Bible said without quoting it.  Back in his day Christians weren't treated like lepers.  But we are now.  Possibly Kennedy didn't want to quote the Bible since there's this thing about church and state.

Did any of you know that even dems do not want bail outs for the auto industry?  It's not only repubs.  The poll says one thing, but the dems in Congress and Senate say another.  The dems are not voting how the PEOPLE want.

Carry on.

Shirley

Did you know that republicans want you to die?

Can you tell me why my family should lose our home after I die from something I may have gotten from the environment? 

Amy, did you read Madalyn's response? ... it's the common language MOST people use these terms.   You're the one who brought it up, who said people don't use the word leper anymore... I only said people do use it, MOST people have not stopped using it. Go back and re-read your introduction of the word.    It's not an excuse, it's not laziness, it's what the newspapers use, even liberal ones.   Maybe you can stop attacking me.

Amy wrote:

grace- thanks for also encouring RM to use more respectful terms when discussing human beings.

Amy: as you can see it did little good! Just because the 'government' and various media continue to use the terms she sees, hears, reads--she intends to continue to do so--even though 2 wrongs don't make a right. So sad. Perhaps she will go back to the other thread. I think they appreciate her more than we do!!

And to others: please remember that the Mexicans did not take away your manufacturing jobs in the US--hello--THE OWNERS OF THE PLANTS THAT YOUR NEIGHBORS WORKED IN TOOK AWAY THE JOBS--they moved them to Mexico because the labor there is "cheap" and they don't have unions. AND the government made it possible by signing trade agreements and giving tax cuts to businesses that took their business to other countries. However, if manufacturing comes back to the US, there will be more people from other countries lining up for a job! On the news last night, a report stated that one of the Japanese car manufacturers is building a big ole plant in a southern state; and was told by the bureaucrats in that state to, "come on down, we don't have unions here, it's a great place and we'd love doing business with ya." Hee-haw.

Felcia,

At the risk of sounding confrontational, I'm just going to ask this: is your goal to be argumentative, ijl? That's what your comments come across as.

Why can't I ask a question ? I did not crticise Obama, did I ? I am totally against bailout. And I actually like the fact that he is not there urging a White house or Senate to provide the bailout. Let's face it althoough Obama is a president elect he does share with us his future plans like a stimilus package for instance .So if he had strongly believed in the Big 3 bailout, he would have said something about giving it a top priority a month from now when he will be an actual president. Instead he is silent on this matter, which I don't neccessarily think is a bad thing.

What the hell is going on over here??  Wow..everybody take a deep breath!!  All we have to do in turn on the TV and get negative crap thrown at us.  As Amy suggested many posts back...let's get back on track to some positive thinking!!  39 more days!!!!!!!!!  We have a lot of work ahead of us...alot!!!  Imagine being Barack and walking into this hornets nest.  If he can do that and stay calm, we can back him and stay calm.  39 more days!!!  I think it's 39..it's been a long week.  I need to go read some positive news somewhere.

Jaedeen, nowhere does it say the moderators removed a post of yours or complained to them.  I see what  you are talking about, it says "removed by the community"  ... that means that enough women hit that button, "report this post" and it was removed due to amount of different women hitting the post.

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Grace, I do not hide what I say about you, I just was not going to complain about you on this thread. I would if it would do any good.  I didn't post it over here because it is not something that any of you would find interesting or agree with ... If I wanted to hide what I say, I would send a pm to friends.  I don't come here to CREATE controversy. I will post  here to defend myself .. I post regarding many things that I agree with.  As Madalyn posted, illegal alien is a common term, used by the majority.  Why don't you tackle them?  No, cuz its more fun for you two to gang up on me.  Other women (proclaimed democrats) have pm'd me "that some of you are sooooo far left that they can't even see you" and they just don't get you two calling me out for this.  Just cuz the majority of women are afraid to post it here ... silence doesn't always mean agreement.    

Shame shame on you for your attitude.  

Thanks for posting my comments over here ... at least now everyone will be sure not to miss it.

And to you ladies who pm'd me .. thanks!

Well I clearly missed something, but hey I have chemo brain so I'm allowed.



There used to be a TV program called "Mork and Mindy" which was mildly amusing. The funniest one I saw was where Mork (who was from a different planet/galaxy) heard that aliens had to register so he went off to get the forms from the post office. The use of the word alien to mean of non earthly origin is relatively recent, my dictionary doesn't even include it. The first definition is "owing allegience to another country, foreign". As I understand it until they become citizens, legal immigrants are resident aliens in the terminology of the US government. There is no insult to the word.



Leper is a bit different as it is also used as a synonym for pariah. But a person with leprosy is a leper, just as a person with diabetes is a diabetic. We don't have a bibical theme of avoiding them though. Actually I gather that Hansen's disease is really not that contagious - we should probably be more wary of consumptives (in every sense of that word).



Sorry for all that, house full of word nerds here.

The economy is in the $hitter right now, and it's only getting worse.  Anyone who wishes unemployment or lower wages on blue collar workers, in my opinion, should rot in hell.

I also agree with unions BUT they do have faults, too .. like any major big business.  If anyone knows, please say .. are the execs part of the union or once you get to upper mgmnt are you out? I am NOT for the huge salaries and bonuses when your company is losing money!  I don't know how they get to the $78 per hour because if that were true, the people in Detroit would be rich.  So, there is something missing in the picture.  Even with a pension, I can't see it being that high. 

I am not for outsourcing our companies ... I know that in India, the people there are grateful for the work, actually proud to have these jobs ... they learn English and slang in a special school to qualify for these jobs ... the documentary was very good.  But in our economy, I hope Obama puts things right for Americans ...  there are so many out of work that people are willing to take minimum wage jobs ... my fear is that unscrupulous business men will take advantage and  start lowering the "going rate" for jobs. \

At my work, some people were given crappy offers rather than lay  off ... and told, "where you going to go?" .. Well, the owner found out and made it right.

That's the power of unions and there aren't enough of them ... they would prevent this but sometimes they have too many benefits to make it palatable for the owner to accept ... like getting 95% of your wages for a whole year while your laid off .. or problem people, not being able to get rid of them. SF has a union for car dealerships, like many states back east ... so most of the companies left to other cities where they aren't unionized.  What is life like?  Dealers open 7 days a week and on holidays.  Some open til 10pm!   Union stores are closed on Sunday and close at 5pm ... but there are few, most have moved across the bay or down the Peninsula.

rbm.

I don't know how they get to the $78 per hour because if that were true, the people in Detroit would be rich. 

I've read statistics for GM. As it turns out the average hourly wage is very similar between GM and Toyota about $30. But when you add all the retirement  and healthcare benefits including those for retirees , Toyota is about $49 and GM is about $69. It's due to a fact that Toyota has far fewer retirees and their retirement benefits are less generous.