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  • LAphoenix
    LAphoenix Member Posts: 452
    edited December 2008

    nosurrender: I don't envy Michelle having to select a design!  I hated her acceptance dress, so I hope she chooses something very different.  I was looking at those designs, trying to imagine what cut would look good on her figure.  She's got great arms and is "bottom heavy."  (I don't mean that in a derogatory way--I love her feminine physique and she never tries to hide her curves.)  I noticed she wears a lot of high-waisted dresses with belts.  I guess the idea is to pull the eye to her waist.  So, with all that in mind, I think the winter white Peter Som would be flattering, although I'm not crazy about it.  It's nice, but not "wow."  I like both of the Reem Acras and the purple Tracy Reese.  And you can't go wrong with Chanel!  My favorite colors on her are purple and blue, so I kinda like the Tuleh suit.  I also like the Caroline Herrera.

    That's my opinion on the most important topic of the day!  Economy-schonomy. 

  • LAphoenix
    LAphoenix Member Posts: 452
    edited December 2008

    I agree about Betty Ford.  Courageous, classy lady. 

    I think Michelle will do fine as First Lady.  She'll be more involved than the Mrs. Bushes, but not as much as Hillary.  She seems mentally tough like Hillary though.  I think she'll do a lot for D.C. as a city, treating it as her new home, not just the place where the White House is located.         

    No surprise about the Supreme Court decision.  The guy who brought it obviously has a few loose screws, considering he also wanted McCain disqualified.   

  • Little-G
    Little-G Member Posts: 647
    edited December 2008

    Laura...thanks for that article.  But really, I can't believe it even went that far.  Well..onward and upward! 

  • ijl
    ijl Member Posts: 897
    edited December 2008

    This whole issue with a birth certificate AFTER Obama won was a complete nonsense. I am   gald they put it to rest. If nothing else, just think for a minute what it would to a country in these tough times if Obama was declared ineligble for presidency.

  • Little-G
    Little-G Member Posts: 647
    edited December 2008
    Treasury Ponders Relief for Home Buyers at SmartMoney.com  Some news of the interest rate's I mentioned the other day.  This would be great!
  • NoH8
    NoH8 Member Posts: 2,726
    edited December 2008

    I can't believe the lawsuit went that far either. Had Obama been white, I doubt it would even be an issue.

    Looks like there is a $15 billion dollar infusion of loans to the auto companies. I still think the industry would be better off merging their most profitable models and having one big company, using the other plants and workers for green technology updating and infrastructure upgrades.

  • Anonymous
    Anonymous Member Posts: 1,376
    edited December 2008

     i love betty ford too. favorite line from yah yah sisterhood movie, my girlfriends and i use it all the time:    we are always talking about making the trip to the bettyLaughing

    the obama family will look fantastic on inaguaration day, no matter what they wearLaughing

    just read where bush burrowed in 18 more employees...Frown

  • Anonymous
    Anonymous Member Posts: 1,376
    edited December 2008

    Unreal! Did you know you could get anybody's driver license info online?

    http://www.license.shorturl.com/

  • ijl
    ijl Member Posts: 897
    edited December 2008

    Laurap,

    This web page is a hoax. Try to lookup your own license, I will not tell you what you would find, don't want to spoil a surprise for you.Wink

    It is pretty funny though. 

  • NoH8
    NoH8 Member Posts: 2,726
    edited December 2008

    ijl- she put it up as a joke.

  • ijl
    ijl Member Posts: 897
    edited December 2008

    Amy,

     I must have missed that smiley face then.  Smile oh the shortcomings of the internet.

  • NoH8
    NoH8 Member Posts: 2,726
    edited December 2008

    laura has a dry sense of humor.

  • Anonymous
    Anonymous Member Posts: 1,376
    edited December 2008

    amy - i also have an incredible sense of style...rotf.. thanks for spelling it out.

    ijl - glad you found it pretty funny. although i never post a link i have not visited, beware, i never add a disclaimer. the element of surprise was a large portion of the joke, imo.

    ................................................

    reading faux news tonight:

    from fox news...

    Obama Dazzles Dems and GOP with Cabinet Picks
    President-elect Barack Obama has named half of his Cabinet members at record speed and earned positive reviews from both sides of the political aisle. 

    http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2008/12/01/obama-dales-cabinet-picks/

    ........................................

  • ijl
    ijl Member Posts: 897
    edited December 2008

    Hi laura,

    Now that you've warned me about the lack of disclaimers ...

    Apprently "faux news"  does give a credit where a credit is due as evidenced by their positive review of Obama picks.

  • NoH8
    NoH8 Member Posts: 2,726
    edited December 2008

    I'm not going to use one  positive review of what Obama's doing to negate all the unfair and unbalanced news faux usually propagates.

  • ijl
    ijl Member Posts: 897
    edited December 2008

    I just heard on CNBC ( not Faux news) that the democratic Illinois governor (don't remember his name) has just been accused of taking bribes,. In particualr he was expecting bribe for Obama seat. A nominee had to pay if s/he wanted that seat about 150K or so.

     I am shocked that some at his level would resort to this.

    Apparently in last 35 years 4 Illinois  governors went to jail, one was acquitted later. What is it about Chicago politics that makes it possible?

      

  • NoH8
    NoH8 Member Posts: 2,726
    edited December 2008

    If the charges are true, I'm glad he was arrested. It's not just chicago, the detroit mayor plead guilty to lying under oath earlier this year. If he's guilty, his actions smack of narcissism, hubris and stupidity. I wonder who will appoint the nominee for Obama's seat now.

  • Little-G
    Little-G Member Posts: 647
    edited December 2008
    Illinois Gov. Blagojevich Arrested   Here's the story of Blagojevich.  I agree with Amy, this stuff if rampant and this is the sort of thing that Obama is going to look at also.  No matter what side of the party line you're on.  This is all part of the giant problem of greed. 
  • ijl
    ijl Member Posts: 897
    edited December 2008

    Actually since he has not been removed from the governor office, he is still the one to  nominate.So can you imagine a position he puts that nominee in. People will be guessing whether it was an "honest" appointment or not. And the the election comes around in 2010 and they may voted him or her out of the office.

    Amy I agree that greed and corruption could happen anywhere, but it does seem to happen more often in Chicago. 4 jalied governors in 35 years is a bit of a record, you have to agree.

    Actually I completely forgot that this guy was elected to replace the previous governonr who was in jail and he was supposed to clean up the government. I don't know whether I should laugh or cry. The more I hear how arrogant this guy was KNOWING that he was taped, the more I get upset. He apparently thought he was untouchable.

    BTW I want to add a disclaimer, I do not think it has anything to do with Obama at all. It was more an observation on the corruption of Chicago political machine that coined the phrase "vote early and vote often".

  • NoH8
    NoH8 Member Posts: 2,726
    edited December 2008

    Thanks for adding the disclaimer. Illinois is bigger than just Chicago. I know in PA we have 2 big cities, Pittsburgh and Philly-- we've had governors elected who won in the cities but lost in the suburbs and rural areas. At the news conference the US attorney said that while the gov still appoints the replacement, making things public lets him and everyone else know that the eyes of the country are on the nominee, so it better be scrupulous. I think the gov should resign, but that's just me, someone with enough morals never to have done what the gov is alleged to have done.

  • LAphoenix
    LAphoenix Member Posts: 452
    edited December 2008

    ijl: Not being from Illinois I can't answer your question, but I hope prosecutor Patrick Fitzgerald is as tough on the gov. as he was on Scooter Libby.  It's outrageous what Blagojevich was planning, even while he was being investigated for other crimes.  Apparently he also tried to get Tribune journalists fired for writing bad things about him.  And he's on tape calling Obama a "motherf-----."  He wanted to put his own pals, or himself, in the Senate, not an African American or woman.  Speculation is that Emanuel was the one who blew the whistle on him.     

    But hasn't it been a banner two years when it comes to corrupt, creepy politicians?  DeLay, Cunningham, Stevens, Spitzer, Foley, Craig, Jefferson, to name just a few.  If nothing else, this scandal provides more argument against governors appointing replacement congressmen.          

  • ijl
    ijl Member Posts: 897
    edited December 2008

    LAphoenix,

    There is a lot fo corrpution, but this case does take the cake ? US senate seat for sale in our day and age ? Unbeleivable!  

  • LAphoenix
    LAphoenix Member Posts: 452
    edited December 2008

    ijl: Yes, he takes the corruption cake.  He was daring the feds to come after him, which sure takes some dumb chutzpah! 

    Here's a column by the guy who ran against Blagojevich in the primary: 

    I've received dozens of calls and messages this morning. The ones who don't know me that well said, "You must be so happy." I'm not. I'm heartbroken.

    U.S. Attorney Patrick Fitzgerald's sudden arrest of Governor Blagojevich was required to interrupt an ongoing political crime spree. According to the complaint, the Governor was in the midst of selling a seat in the United States Senate to the highest bidder, shaking down Children's Memorial Hospital, and muscling the Chicago Tribune. It is a day many have long anticipated, but wished would never happen.

    Two years ago I took on Mr. Blagojevich in the Democratic Primary. It was already clear back then that he was deeply involved in the kind of pay-to-play politics that have tainted our state for too long. In January of 2006 I described how the governor had raised $2,667 per hour as governor. I described in detail how the public record already made clear that his fundraising interfered with the business of the state.

    Cynics say the people of Illinois are not ready to clean up the state. Not true. Almost a quarter-of-a-million Democratic voters stood with me two years ago, and that was against an incumbent Democrat in a time when attention was focused on Republican mistakes in Washington. Since then we've elected Barack Obama President, giving courage to many that change is possible. Now, as the horrible revelations in the complaint against Governor Blagojevich sink in, change isn't just possible, it's certain.

    How does it begin?

    We demand his resignation and if it is not forthcoming tonight, the legislature must convene to impeach him immediately. Similarly, as the process of Senate appointment is tainted, the legislature must immediately act to stop an appointment by changing the law. There are several options ranging from establishment of a special election to denying the appointment power to a governor out on bond in a criminal case.

    Fundamental change takes time. I knew two years ago that change was possible. Now it is certain. Despite the terrible embarrassment of having two governors in a row hauled away by the feds, I know we can do better. This old book must be closed now.

    Meanwhile, in other news . . . It looks like the auto industry is going to get a loan.  And a car czar.  Do we need another czar?

  • djd
    djd Member Posts: 866
    edited December 2008

    I love Patrick Fitzgerald!  He's just nerdy enough to be cute and so incredibly principled - what an attractive combination!

    I wonder if Karl Rover and his ilk will apologize for trying to portray him as being on a political witch-hunt when he investigated and indicted Scooter Libby.  (No, I'm not holding my breath for that one!! - Being on the far right means never having to say "I'm sorry - I was wrong."  lol)

  • traceyz
    traceyz Member Posts: 745
    edited December 2008

    YAY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! WE WON!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! YES WE DID!!!! Sorry Ladies but I am still celebrating! Change has arrived WOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO HOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!

    Tracey

  • Little-G
    Little-G Member Posts: 647
    edited December 2008
    Tracey...don't apologize!!  We NEED the optimism!!  :-)  Obama '08...it's here!!!!!!!!!  Laughing
  • NoH8
    NoH8 Member Posts: 2,726
    edited December 2008

    I love your spirit tracey!

    Distractions. Distractions. Distractions. The big 3 auto companies have sent fruit baskets to Blagojevich to thank him from getting them off the hot seat. Rumor has it they're pushing for him to be the new car czar to thank him. Al Gore, on the other hand, is pissed off, because once again environmental concerns take a back seat to everything else, even scandal.

    I admit, the Blagojevich story is hot and sexy, particularly since he was allegedly trying to sell Obama's seat. I predict a Law and Order episode about this sooner rather than later. Blagojevich's behavior is almost unbelievable, if it was a fictional movie, people would say they took the character too far, just like with Sarah Palin. I'd hate to see this story overshadow the transition, the economy, LGBT civil rights, etc, because those are the important things that will moved our country forward.

    Bill Ayers is going to be on with Chris Matthews tonight! That should be interesting.

  • Anonymous
    Anonymous Member Posts: 1,376
    edited December 2008

    I am an out-and-out fan of Obama's and have been so since my 84-year-old Mom told me about him several years ago, but I am no fan of Hillary's.  She just seems so self-interested and self-seeking; I always felt that she was using her husband to fulfil her own ambitions. I went to the same kind of schools she did...and I know how overly self-promoting they encourage you to be..and I know about the speech she made at her college graduation.  
    Point is, I am not at all happy with her appointment as SoS because I don't think she has the negotiating skills or tact that a person in this position needs...  Here is what Camilia Paglia says (from Salon):
     
    As for Obama's appointment of Hillary Clinton as secretary of state, what sense does that make except within parochial Democratic politics? Awarding such a prize plum to Hillary may be a sop to her aggrieved fan base, but what exactly are her credentials for that position? Aside from being a mediocre senator (who, contrary to press reports, did very little for upstate New York), Hillary has a poor track record as both a negotiator and a manager. And of course both Clintons constantly view the world through the milky lens of their own self-interest. Well, it's time for Hillary to put up or shut up. If she gets as little traction in world affairs as Condoleezza Rice has, Hillary will be flushed down the rabbit hole with her feckless husband and effectively neutralized as a future presidential contender. If that's Obama's clever plan, is it worth the gamble? The secretary of state should be a more reserved, unflappable character -- not a drama queen who, even in her acceptance speech, morphed into three different personalities in the space of five minutes. 

    I posted that cartoon about her appointment a few days ago & I don't think anybody noticed it, but it scares me just a little.
     
    I'm all for women in gov't but can't we be a little fussier about whom we pick?!!  If I had my pick, the next woman to run for President would be someone like Michelle Obama. 
     
    Linora 
  • NoH8
    NoH8 Member Posts: 2,726
    edited December 2008

    I agree with you about Hillary amd that Michelle Obama is the type of person I'd love to see in politics. With Michelle isn't not about her but about the country. Quoting Camilia Paglia, however is not someone I would ever quote. She's the antithesis of feminism and doesn't support women's issues. She blamed feminists for date rape. The woman is frightening.

  • sccruiser
    sccruiser Member Posts: 1,119
    edited December 2008

    From the Rachel Maddow show last night: Evidently there are not only IL governors in prison--since the seventies there have been 2 IL political figures jailed every year--83 in total since 1976. Wow! Rachel was comparing this all happening based on her own age. Frightening!

    We all know politics can be corrupt, but this corrupt is shocking!

    Want to pose a question here about socialism. Why is it so frightening to think that our country might move into a more socialistic direction within our democracy?

    I just received a Christmas card from my dear Norwegian friends. We have been writing each other since our daughters were in preschool together. This year's card included a picture of them with their grandson, with their "dreampalace" (her words) behind them--a very large home in the woods. I have watched their family prosper like you would not believe under socialism. The citizens of Norway are cared for from cradle to grave, and yes their taxes are about 50% of their income. However, there is daycare, paid family leave for a year when child is born, retraining for a new job, healthcare, best schools one can hope for, after school care (which includes ski lessons and field trips), elder care, etc. You can list it, and it's covered by the government. She has had excellent health care--including extended care for her back to help her return to work. She often writes me that her husband's job (he's in computer engineering field) often takes him all around the world. He has worked in USA (how we met), SA, Europe, Poland is a weekly trip right now. She is able to go with him and has seen much of the world. Yes, this is only one family I know about--but I also see how my Finnish relatives have prospered also under a socialistic system. And they are by and large very happy with their healthcare and all the other benefits they receive.

    In Finland, the only negative I have observed is that it is very expensive to own and drive a car. Most families share the cost of a car and drive very little. Most live close to work and walk, or use public transportation or ride a bike(not in the winter LOL). It costs almost $2K to register an auto--then there's insurance, maintenance. By having a better transportation system and town planning, Finns do not have to spend their money on cars--my relatives can afford to fly to the USA to visit at least every two years. I've only been there once. Oh, and they do have elections--these Scandannavian countries are not "dictatorships."

    So what's up with all the negative knarling about socialism from conservatives?Tongue out It appears that some people are unable to see any difference between socialist and communist systems, and see democracy as the only one that's the right one! Any thoughts?

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