Depression again...what to do

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Have been down this road before.  Weaned myself off of celexa last summer after being on it for 4 years, but that awful familiar feeling is coming back.  I hate like heck to take more meds but I can't continue down this road, there is too much living to do and I don't want to waste any more precious time crying over anything and everything.

Any thoughts on holistic treatment for depression...St. John's Worts, SAMe (?sp) Your ideas would be greatly appreciated.

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  • cp418
    cp418 Member Posts: 7,079
    edited November 2008

    I seem to have a decent response to SAMe on my blue or down days when I feel like I'm slipping into a downward spiral.  I've also read it has some benefits with arthritis maybe in easing pain. Try some GOOGLE search for articles on SAMe as I don't believe it has any toxicity issues which I also liked. 

     http://www.medicalnewstoday.com/articles/17100.php

  • paige-allyson
    paige-allyson Member Posts: 781
    edited November 2008

    Having had problems with depression for much of my life I feel your pain. Unfortunately I can't offer much encouragement about natural approaches. I tried them all and more and although some things help a bit- exercise for example- none of them really did the job. Last year after being diagnosed with breast cancer and then going through treatment I had one of the worst episodes of depression I'd ever experienced and finally "caved" and started on Lexapro. The benefit was so immediate and striking that it was clear I'd done the right thing. I'd be very reluctant to go off it and recently told my prescriber so (not that she was recommending this- she wasn't). During the same week I heard Mike Wallace talking about his experience with depression and basically expressing the same thing.  If there is not some major reason to go off the medicine that was working for you, you could just go back on it. If there is some major reason then it's back to the drawing board for either another medication or a natural alternative that works. Maybe there are other women here who've had better luck in this department than I did.

  • FloridaLady
    FloridaLady Member Posts: 2,155
    edited November 2008

    I don't know much about depression either...What I do not it is very bad for your overall health.  Dear Darcy45 try all avenue too get help with this. So many things can cause depression and I'm sorry to say must doctor are going to give you a pill.  But if it helps...so be it.  Have you been to a good homopathic doctor and asked these questions?

    I hope you find help and come back and share it with us.

    Flalady

  • Darcy45
    Darcy45 Member Posts: 55
    edited November 2008

    Thank you ladies for your kind responses.  I bought some St. Johns Worts, we shall see if there is any success. 

    Fla Lady, I agree that it is bad for overall health. Mind and body are so closely related I feel.  If antidepressants are a road I must travel...yes, so be it.

    Again, your kindness is appreciated.

  • GryffinSong
    GryffinSong Member Posts: 439
    edited November 2008

    I tried St. John's Wort, exercise, positive thinking ... none of it helped. For me, with a very strong family history of depression, and two prior major episodes, medication has been a lfe saver. Like allysonw, Lexapro almost immediately made me feel like MYSELF again. My doctor and I eventually added wellbutrin, which I went off last winter. Big mistake, and my new doctor has put me on a mood stabilizer in addition to the lexapro. It's the magic combination that works for me. I feel like myself, and able to deal with life, and now cancer.

    I wish you luck on your journey. Natural cures are great if they work, but just remember that if it changes your body chemistry its a drug, whether it comes from a pharmacy or a plant. And there's absolutely no shame at all in using a drug to help.

    Hugs and good luck!

  • revkat
    revkat Member Posts: 763
    edited November 2008

    I tried St John's Wort and found I actually had more side effects with it than with the SSRIs I had been on a few years before. I resisted effexor for a long time, but with tamoxifen it's one of the better choices, and so far nothing negative, just a bit of elevated mood.

  • Maire67
    Maire67 Member Posts: 768
    edited July 2010
  • Darcy45
    Darcy45 Member Posts: 55
    edited November 2008

    Well, it got to a point where I had to call my doc and he got me back on Celexa asap.  The feeling of despair seems to be overwhelming when starting an ssri, I know it will subside when it kicks in but right now this is rough. 

    I could kick myself for going off in the first place.  I've been dealing with this since I was in my early 30's and now at 47 I just have to realize it is what it is.

    Anybody feel worse when they started an ssri and how long did it take before you felt better.

    Again, thank you for the support.

  • bee5467
    bee5467 Member Posts: 112
    edited December 2008

    Darcy --

    We are all pulling for you.  I just had my Effexor doubled  2 weeks ago, and I think I AM feeling better.  There's been so much happening in my life (on top of cancer) that it's hard to tell what the h*ll is going on.  I think we're alll so sick of Meds, etc. that we really hate taking anything else.  But sometimes, I think that's the only thing getting us through our Meds, LOL.

  • bee5467
    bee5467 Member Posts: 112
    edited January 2009

    Ladies -- Things did not get better, and I've spent the last few weeks doing a lot of fetal positions, sleeping, and crying.  When DH comes home, I'm all fine, so he really didn't realize what was going on.  My kids and friends here didn't either.  Just you guys.

    I have the best news!  I called the Oncological Psychologist at the Med Center, whom I've seen 2x quite a while ago.  He called me back and asked if I knew that they have a regular Monday support group for survivors?  I didn't.  I'm going in Monday at noon for a 90 min "intake" meeting with (check this):  2 onc. psycologists; 1 onc. nurse (who also teaches Yoga & tai chi); and social worker .  So I meet with the 4 of them, and we create my survival plan.

    Then I can go to the group meetings every monday if I like them.  I am very hopeful about this. I'm also going to check out the Wellness community here.  They come very highly recommended by pts.

    I had no idea all this was available to me.  All you ladies who are feeling "lost at sea" please ask your doctors or med centers.  

    Love you guys. 

  • juliebb
    juliebb Member Posts: 140
    edited January 2009

    I cannot get off Zoloft, so I will say try anything even if it is pharma. and don't feel bad about this. I've had anxiety and depression for over 20 years. Every time I get off medicine, I run slam into severe and chronic anxiety and depression. I have read about orthomolecular medicine. Margo Kidder was on Larry King, you can google and pull up the transcript...anyway it's what she uses for her bipolar disorder. I think it is based on what nutrients you body is deficient or out of balance with. They do blood work and other analysis to determine what supplements you need.

    If you don't have a rebounder....go order one.  You must be happy when you do this. So....get a friend, put on fun music, like broadway musical tunes and take turns bouncing. Better...have your friend buy one too and you can both jump. You will crack up, I promise. 

    If you are really suffering, I think a support group is an excellent idea.

  • Darcy45
    Darcy45 Member Posts: 55
    edited January 2009

    Hi ladies, the celexa is working like a charm!  It is allowing me to live my life without having several melt downs a week.

    I no longer feel disappointed over the fact that I'm back on meds, what's the point in trying to go pharma free if there is no quality of life?  I've certainly learned my lesson.

    Julie, I've herd rebounders are marvelous.  I may look into one. 

    Thank you all for the support.  Wishing each and everyone a very happy and HEALTHY new year!

  • 07rescue
    07rescue Member Posts: 168
    edited January 2009

    I think different kinds of depression respond to different interventions. I have had a lifelong tendency to depression but have found that it does respond to SAM-e, and St John's Wort, and also to fish oils, but the last take a while to work. Regular exercise is essential as well, without it I don't feel well either physically or emotionally, it helps keep me steady. Lemon balm tea can also be very helpful in the short term.

    I don't expect that everyone will find these things helpful, most demonstrate efficacy with mild to moderate depression, but don't really help a deep and profound depression, so I wouldn't waste a lot of time trying these alternatives if you are really suffering. That has been my impression overall. There is not much science to go by with these questions, just trial and error and seeing what works for you.

  • ICanDoThis
    ICanDoThis Member Posts: 1,473
    edited January 2009

    I am in therapy for post-cancer anxiety and depression, and do not wish to take mood-altering drugs.

    My therapist and I use cognitive therapy and positive visualizations.

  • Sierra
    Sierra Member Posts: 1,638
    edited January 2009

    Glad to hear celexa helped you out

    that is the one I took when depressed

    last year, depression hit me on the head

    yes, even at 8 yrs out, SADS hadsomething to do

    with it.. the others.. I could not tolerate

    s/e

    Best to you

    so difficult, as quality of life is

    paramount

    hugs, Sierra :))

    ps  I believe therapy to be v. helpful as well

    We all have our own path to follow

  • OLBinNJ
    OLBinNJ Member Posts: 236
    edited January 2009

    Many b/c patients are found to be Vitamin D deficient, and from what I read, one of the indications may be depression.  I spend a lot of time outside, and take calcium w/D, and when my D level was checked it was 15!!  It can't hurt to have it checked.  I am now on megedoses of D - 50,000ius once a week.

  • Darcy45
    Darcy45 Member Posts: 55
    edited January 2009

    I did hear that low levels of vitamin D could bring on depression.  I had mine checked a couple of months ago and was happy to hear that it was 54.  In my case that wasn't the problem.  It would have been so much easier if it were.  But with very minimal side effects I'll continue with celexa and enjoy life again,

    I hope your levels will continue to go up.

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