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  • Anonymous
    Anonymous Member Posts: 1,376
    edited November 2008

    I remember that old story, Moody.  $$$$

  • Anonymous
    Anonymous Member Posts: 1,376
    edited November 2008

    LuAnn, I'm not too smart, but wouldn't that have to be signed into law?  I don't see how he could do that.  Where did you hear that?

  • LuAnnH
    LuAnnH Member Posts: 8,847
    edited November 2008

    I was watching CNN morning news and I think they called them resolutions that the president can file, they aren't major changes he can make but he can do these.  I know it wasn't executive orders.  They said the new policies would be in effective by Jan 21st.  There were some dealing with giving help to low income uninsured people, it would make it harder for them to get care.  Others that would allow industry to destroy protected land for environmental purposes.  There were quite a few doosies, I was so POed when I was listening to this.  I can't understand why someone would abuse their power because it won't hurt them in the long run and doesn't care if people like him or not.  Just unreal!!!  I am so glad I did not vote for him so I don't have to feel guilty about allowing this abuse of power!

    They did say that Obama might be able to get Congress to override his decisions since there is a democrat majority but in the meantime these things will be allowed to happen!  I'll see if I can find a link on CNN to the story.

  • Anonymous
    Anonymous Member Posts: 1,376
    edited November 2008

    I am furious!!!!!!!! Did you know that the UAW has carved out the best policy for their workers who don't work?!!!  They get paid even if they don't go to work! There is even a job bank ... you may qualify for the job but you are not forced to take it ... you can say no and still collect your check!

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    LuAnne,  I saw your comment about what Bush plans to sign into law ... FYI, President's don't make up the bills or pass them thru the House and Senate.  The bills have to pass thru BOTH Houses (which are run by Dems) before they even get to his desk.  If the Dems don't want the law, they don't pass them on up.  Blame the dems for that!!

  • ibcspouse
    ibcspouse Member Posts: 613
    edited November 2008

    Moody

    Let's get this straight,  That's my wife's dog....Tessie (Cam's Contessa) is a 3 pound girly dog..I'm a big strong man.   But she does sleep in my lap.

  • moodyk13
    moodyk13 Member Posts: 1,180
    edited November 2008

    ibcspouse:  OOHHHHH!  I get it now, i think.  cam is your wife and your a man!   i thought ibcspouse was a girl and cam was her son.  but i guess the "spouse" part should have clued me in.  Embarassed

    i used to be so sharp that nothing could get by me.  since chemo............i am definately the dullest knife in the draw......

    and your WIFE'S dog is SO PRECIOUS!!!!! Laughing

  • Anonymous
    Anonymous Member Posts: 1,376
    edited November 2008

    The bailout is being blamed on GW? UM, who voted for it?  (Although, I do think GW is one of the reasons for our Perfect Storm on our economy, I don't think he is responsible for the bailout: its success or its failure .. whatever happens.

    My problem with US government owned companies:  say the US took over one of the car makers or ($$$) started running one of the banks/insurance companies, etc ... then we start looking like China. Remember MAO? Remember his Gang of 4?  We will always need public enterprise.  The problem here is that the companies want PRIVATE income, PRIVATE profit, PRIVATE perks (ie planes, salaries, pensions) but then they want the PUBLIC to share the loss?  Since when did the government say open a business and we will insure you? back you? Who in their right mind gives away HUGE over the top salaries and says they can't pay their bills?  And its not just the higher ups .. the little guy makes $78 per hour??  Where do I sign up???

  • blaest1501
    blaest1501 Member Posts: 5
    edited November 2008
    blaest1501 wrote:

    LOL, well Blaest1500 is gone, but 1501 is up and running . . . until tomorrow.  Lets see we have IBC spouse who whines like a little girl to the moderators.  We have Roborocket who whined publicly.   Its interesting that the whiners are all Republicans.  Why is it republicans are always whining about something?  They're whining about gays, they're whining about liberals, they're whining about those who don't agree with them. We have some of the biggest whiners right on this thread.  Pathetic.

  • blaest1501
    blaest1501 Member Posts: 5
    edited November 2008

    The Republicans have always reflected what is worst about our country -  ME FIRST, THE HELL WITH THE OTHER GUY.  It is this attitude that caused the Greed on Wallstreet which has imploded and is sending our country into its worst financial chaos since the depression.  And what do the greedy CEOs do when they get on their knees to beg for more money, they fly to DC in their private jets.  What does AIG doe with the hundred billions given it to stay in business?  Why more parties of course.  What do the banks do with all that money?  They pay huge bonuses to their executives.  I'm willing to bet all of these executives are REPUBLICANS.

  • blaest1501
    blaest1501 Member Posts: 5
    edited November 2008

    Of course W is to blame for everything.  He is the worst president in the history of our country.  He has single handedly virtually destroyed our great Republic.  And now as the country implodes, he  and his government are paralyzed.  A totally incompetent individual and probably still a drunk in private.  That's our President . . for a few more months.

  • LuAnnH
    LuAnnH Member Posts: 8,847
    edited November 2008

    sorry but my kids side tracked me and I am just getting back on my computer, I will dig around to find the info I saw on the news.

  • LuAnnH
    LuAnnH Member Posts: 8,847
    edited November 2008

    I found it, rocker this is something a president can do with consulting the congress, they are called "rules"  Here is the section pertinent to the health records

    And the Bush administration reportedly in a rush to relax some of the regulations that protect endangered species. The regulations must be in by tomorrow to take effect before President-elect Obama is sworn in. if not, Obama could undo them before they take effect just as soon as he takes office on January 20th. But time is definitely running out for the president. So what can the president do before he leaves office that will make a lasting mark on the nation? The answer is a lot. Our Deb Feyerick is here now with that story. Some people are asking what more does he need to do to make his mark on this nation?

    DEB FEYERICK, CNN CORRESPONDENT: Well, that's exactly every president leaving office really wants to do something, tries to push through changes that they've had the power to impose all along. Sort of like these 11th hour pardons but for rules. Well President Bush is trying to leave a lasting mark on everything from family leave to birth control to highway safety and the environment.

    (BEGIN VIDEOTAPE)

    FEYERICK (voice-over): As medical director for family planning in a clinic in west Philadelphia Dr. Steven () worries that last minute rule changes by the Bush administration will hurt his uninsured patients.

    DR. STEVEN SONDHEIMER, HOSPITAL OF THE UNIVERISTY OF PA.: They're going to make access to care more difficult. You're just going to burden us and it's going to burden the patients.

    FEYERICK: With time running out President Bush and his agencies have been working hard to push through last minute rules known because of their timing as midnight regulations.

    MICHAEL WHITE, MANAGING EDITOR, "THE FEDERAL REGISTER": This is about 2,000 pages of regulatory material.

    FEYERICK: Michael White works at the federal register where the new rules are published.

    WHITE: This administration has planned it out much more aggressively.

    FEYERCIK: Once the rules are finalized and printed it takes 60 days for them to go into effect, meaning many will be in place the day President-elect Obama is inaugurated.

    JERRY BRTIO, MERCATUS CENTER, GEORGE MASON UNIVERSITY: That's what makes regulations possibly so pernicious. You have a president issuing rules at the last minute that he knows might be contrary to what his predecessor will want to do. It's what ties the hand of the next president.

    FEYERICK: But experts say presidents are entitled to extend their agenda and promote their legacy. Among the biggest changes, employers now able to access some of your health information. Truck drivers clocking longer 11 hour shifts on the highways. And family planning clinics that get government money now able to deny information on abortion and birth control.

    Here is the link to the transcript from the CNN morning show  http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0811/20/ltm.02.html  you have to go a little over half way down to find this section and more on it.  I knew I wasn't dreaming when I heard this!

  • LuAnnH
    LuAnnH Member Posts: 8,847
    edited November 2008

    I know but that just seems wrong, why should an employer be allowed to see my health records?  As long as I am physically capable of the standards required for the job what more do they need?  That is as bad as my car insurance company running my credit report to determine my insurance rates.  That has nothing to do with my driving record.

  • Anonymous
    Anonymous Member Posts: 1,376
    edited November 2008

    I read why insurance companies ran credit reports was to find out whether they think we'll file more claims.  Otherwise, I suppose the higher our score the less claims we'd file.  Doesn't make sense to me.

    Shirley

  • Anonymous
    Anonymous Member Posts: 1,376
    edited November 2008

    The dems are responsible for much of our problem with the economy...remember sub-prime mortgages?  President Clinton signed that bill.  Minorities and lower income people were able to get loans when they couldn't afford  and the lender knew there were be many defaults.  But, everyone is entitled to the American dream.  And then there were those that bought houses that they couldn't afford..like making $50,000 and buying a $300,000 house.  And these are the people that are going to get help?  How about the people who are/were paying their mortgages and lost their job or some other catastrophic event happened?

    Let's talk about "Joe the Plumber."  Do any dems not see privacy being invaded?  I haven't heard many dems being outraged by this.  They just make fun of Joe.   I hope he sues the state of Ohio.  Then he could finally afford to buy his plumbing company. 

  • shokk
    shokk Member Posts: 1,763
    edited November 2008

    Ok guys I am going to jump in here since I have been doing property and causalty insurance  close to 20 years...........actually there is a coralation between credit scores and the amount of claims........people with poorer credit ratings do tend to file more claims then people with better credit scores.........its a fact.........there are all sorts of theorys as to why..........some people believe that say home insurance is some kind of maintence contract and don't really understand the purpose of homeowners insurance........some people believe that insurance companies are a scam and they want to scam the scamer.............when ever you get some kind of property insurance there are several factors that are taken into consideration and put into a formual as to what you will be charged including credit scores, martial status (if you are single you are charged more because single people have a tendency to file more claims.....go figure), past history claims, if it is a home how many times has that home had claims whether you lived there or not, what county in what state you live in........for example states that have a coast insurance is more..........if you live in earth quake areas, all kinds of things are taken into consideration.........for automoblie tickets, accidents, past claims.......it all is taken in to determine your insurance rate.........age..........home owners over 50 get discounts........auto 25 and under your rates are the highest......etc......it really is nothing personal it is just a way the insurance companies rate their risks and the amount they charge......there are limits of course that are set by the State Boards of Insurance.........this kid that had bought one of those crotch rocket motorcycles and had 3 speeding tickets....he was 19........and male....couldn't even get him a quote..........my insurance company wouldn't insure him.......by the way ladies males are charged more for auto insurance then females.....(they have a tendency to drive faster)...........ok thats all............Shokk

  • Rosemary44
    Rosemary44 Member Posts: 2,660
    edited November 2008

    "FEYERICK (voice-over): As medical director for family planning in a clinic in west Philadelphia Dr. Steven () worries that last minute rule changes by the Bush administration will hurt his uninsured patients"

    That's a blanket statement.  If your uninsured you report to no one about anything.  It's the people who are insured where every little complaint goes into an insurance record. 

    Sooooo, what's he talking about?

  • Rosemary44
    Rosemary44 Member Posts: 2,660
    edited November 2008

    They are otherwise called Midnight Regulations, here's a little history on them.

    http://www.newyorker.com/talk/comment/2008/11/24/081124taco_talk_kolbert

    OMB is watching for rules changes from Bush:

    http://ombwatch.org/article/articleview/4407/1/85/?TopicID=2

    It looks like the employer through their medical dept. can access limited health records for people asking for family leave time.  Which would make sense.

  • moodyk13
    moodyk13 Member Posts: 1,180
    edited November 2008

    Here is a few excerpts from rosemary44's link:

    "Since Jimmy Carter, every President has complained about midnight regulations and, four or eight years later, every President has issued them. On a percentage basis, George Bush senior holds the record: his Administration issued a greater proportion of its rules during the midnight period-generally defined as the last three months in office-than any other President's. In absolute terms, though, Bill Clinton takes the gold: his Administration, during its midnight phase, published more than twenty-six thousand pages' worth of rules in the Federal Register. (According to the National Journal, by the time Clinton left office "the journalists who cover the White House had thrown up their hands at the prospect of keeping up.")

    The list of the things GWB wants to "rule" on is very disturbing indeed, but I didn't see anything about private health records.  With HIPAA your privacy is protected, unless of course like sherriG pointed out you work for a self-insured company.  My hubby works for UPS and they are self insured.  as with any health insurance there are good and bad.  self-insured companies have they right to consider private health records before hiring someone i believe.  it is really a "catch 22" so to speak.

    if i am the one wanting the job and you have pre-exhisting conditions i.e. bc then of course i dont want that to affect my getting hired.  if i own the company and i am self insured and hiring someone with pre-exhisting conditions will raise my premiums, then i want to the right to not hire.  i can see both sides. 

    but if your company is not self-insured then they cant access records as per HIPAA rules that bush doesnt seem to be messing with-----from what i see.

    but i agree in that looks like he may be playing the "devil's advocate" on his way out.  HOWEVER as you can see from the excerpt above, every president does this, just we never heard about it til now cuz media wants to MAKE SURE EVERYONE hates bush before he leaves.

    "Democratic leaders in the House and the Senate have already indicated that they will try to rescind the most egregious of Bush's midnight regulations. There are a few ways to do this, all of them difficult. Under an obscure law passed in 1996, Congress has the power to revoke recently imposed rules."

  • Anonymous
    Anonymous Member Posts: 1,376
    edited November 2008

    LuAnn, if he does that I hope Obama reverses it ...

    It is time for Bush to "put the pen down, step away from the desk and put his hands up" and say bye bye.

  • mke
    mke Member Posts: 584
    edited November 2008

    Shock, that makes perfect sense to me. People have bad credit for a lot of reasons but one reason is not being careful about purchases and paying bills. People have insurance claims for a lot of reasons but one reason is not being careful about maintainence, and prevention. Both claims and poor credit are correlated with a lack of prudence.

  • pinoideae
    pinoideae Member Posts: 1,271
    edited November 2008

    CNN moron and left-wing blogs perpetuate Bush Snub That Wasn't

    By Michelle Malkin  •  November 21, 2008 11:12 AM

    The Bush Derangement Syndrome lemmings on the Internet lit up yesterday over a video that supposedly showed world leaders "snubbing" George Bush and refusing to shake his hand.

    CNN moron Rick Sanchez wet his pants over the video, exulting that Bush was being treated like the kid in high school with "cooties." He then ranted about Bush as a "bully" who deserved rude treatment from the world because "What goes around comes around." The Daily Show's Jon Stewart cackled over the clip, too.

    It was left to CNN humorist Jeanne Moos to set the dunces straight. Bush had been shaking hands and slapping backs all day long with the world's heads of state. There was no "snub:"

  • pinoideae
    pinoideae Member Posts: 1,271
    edited November 2008

    BDS alert: NYT and Huffpo get totally unhinged

    By Michelle Malkin  •  May 27, 2008 07:41 AM

    I'm telling ya, I need to turn Unhinged into an encyclopedia set.

    The Memorial Day holiday brought out the BDS crazies this weekend.

    In case you missed it, the NYTimes used Memorial Day to bludgeon President Bush with a disingenuous editorial about the GI Bill. Don't read it if you've already had breakfast. But here's a typical, nutso passage:

    Having saddled the military with a botched, unwinnable war, having squandered soldiers' lives and failed them in so many ways, the commander in chief now resists giving the troops a chance at better futures out of uniform. He does this on the ground that the bill is too generous and may discourage re-enlistment, further weakening the military he has done so much to break.

    So lavish with other people's sacrifices, so reckless in pouring the national treasure into the sandy pit of Iraq, Mr. Bush remains as cheap as ever when it comes to helping people at home.

    The White House responded forcefully (something they should do more often). This is the full statement released yesterday:

    Once again, the New York Times Editorial Board doesn't let the facts get in the way of expressing its vitriolic opinions - no matter how misleading they may be.

    In today's editorial, "Mr. Bush and the GI Bill", the New York Times irresponsibly distorts President Bush's strong commitment to strengthening and expanding support for America's service members and their families.

    This editorial could not be farther from the truth about the President's record of leadership on this issue. In his January 2008 State of the Union Address, while proposing a series of initiatives to support our military families, President Bush specifically called upon Congress to answer service members' request that they be able to transfer their GI Bill benefits to their spouses and children. In April, he sent a legislative package to the Hill that would expand access to childcare, create new authorities to appoint qualified spouses into civil service jobs, provide education opportunities and job training for military spouses, and allow our troops to transfer their unused education benefits to their spouses or children.

    As Congress debates the best way to expand the existing GI Bill, Secretary Gates has laid out important guidelines to ensure that legislation meets our service members' needs and rewards military service. First, since our servicemen and women have regularly requested the ability to transfer their GI bill benefits to their family members, legislation should include transferability. Second, legislation should provide greater rewards for continued military service in the all volunteer force.

    There are several GI bill proposals under consideration in both the House and Senate. The Department of Defense has specific concerns about legislation sponsored by Senator Webb because it lacks transferability and could negatively impact military retention.

    The President specifically supports the GI Bill legislation expansion proposed by Senators Graham, Burr, and McCain because it allows for the transferability of education benefits and calibrates an increase in education benefits to time in the service.

    Though readers of the New York Times editorial page wouldn't know it, President Bush looks forward to signing a GI bill that supports our troops and their families, and preserves the experience and skill of our forces.

    Reader Michael Moran e-mailed this morning:

    The New York Times, in a remarkable example of hypocrisy and political opportunism, published a Memorial Day editorial opposing President Bush's threatened veto of the G.I. Bill legislation currently being "crafted" by Congress.

    The Times stated, "Mr. Bush - and, to his great discredit, Senator John McCain - have argued against a better G.I. Bill, for the worst reasons"... yet President Bush's well known points in opposition to the legislation... the lack of transferability of benefits to spouses or children... and the lack of greater rewards for continued service in our all volunteer force... were ignored.

    Rather, the NY Times chose to ridicule President Bush's entirely valid additional point... that being that to provide full tuition "and other expenses" for fours years at a public university for three years of service would likely hurt our military by negatively impacting retention.

    But then again, this is, after all, the New York Times.... the newspaper that chose to:

    * Adamantly and continuously oppose the Patriot Act.
    * Publish front page Abu Ghraib stories for 32 consecutive days in May and June of 2004.
    * Publicize and criticize a confidential government program to monitor international financial transactions by terrorists, citing undisclosed sources.
    * Publicize and criticize a confidential government program to monitor outbound communication to terrorists, citing undisclosed sources.
    * Publish, at a reduced rate, an ad by MoveOn.org headlining "General BetrayUs" on the occasion of Gen. Petraeus' testimony, report and recommendations to the President and Congress last September.

    The very same subject editorial brazenly states the obvious lie, "This page strongly supports a larger, sturdier military."

    If that were to be believed, one can hardly imagine the positions that would be taken by the New York Times if it opposed a larger, sturdier military.

    ...Earlier this week, the White House issued a statement criticizing NBC TV for artfully... and purposefully... editing an interview with President Bush to misrepresent his response to an interview question from NBC's Richard Engel.

    Today, the White House again issued a statement directed at the media, this time setting the New York Times straight regarding the subject editorial.

    I strongly and wholeheartledly applaud both actions.

    The NYTimes came close, but no one can out-HuffPo the HuffPo's writers.

    The headline says it all: Dead Troops Remembered By President Who Had Them Killed.

    As an antidote to such bile, I recommend re-reading the words of fallen soldiers and their families that I linked to over the weekend:

    "Others have died for my freedom, now this is my mark." - Cpl. Jeffrey B. Starr.

    "He knew what he was fighting for." - father of Lt. Michael P. Murphy.

    "He felt that what we were doing was just and right." - Charles Cummings, father of fallen hero Army PFC Branden Cummings, who died in an IED attack in Diyala, Iraq.

    "I genuinely believe the United States Army is a force of good in this world." - 2LT Mark Daily.

  • pinoideae
    pinoideae Member Posts: 1,271
    edited November 2008

    Ok, I am not trying to start an arguement here, and although Ms. M does sound a bit over zealous at times, she does make some valid points - all crankiness aside. 

  • Anonymous
    Anonymous Member Posts: 1,376
    edited November 2008

    I love Michelle M!!  She really doesn't pull any punches!

  • Anonymous
    Anonymous Member Posts: 1,376
    edited November 2008

    Here's the new definition of a troll from Amy:  Anyone who comes onto this thread repeatedly just to cause trouble is a troll and I don't care to read those threads. The term isn't about different opinions, it's about blatant disregard for others and simply wanting to gain attention through causing trouble. Anyone who wants to participate in meaningful, proliberal discussion is welcome. 

    Fair enough.  So then Blaest should not be surprised/shocked/insulted at being called a troll over here since this is the Respectfully Republican thread where conservatism is discussed.  Maybe he can keep one id in force so we can put him on ignore!!! 

  • saluki
    saluki Member Posts: 2,287
    edited November 2008

    Okay---Timothy Geithner will be The new treasury secretary........ Anyone know anything about him?

  • LuAnnH
    LuAnnH Member Posts: 8,847
    edited November 2008

    I am going to have to look into that bill about transferring a serviceman's education credits to his family!  My husband never used all his benefits and I wonder if I can get them to help pay for some of my kids college?  That would be sweet! 

  • Anonymous
    Anonymous Member Posts: 1,376
    edited November 2008

    I say GO FOR IT LuAnn!

    Shirley

  • Anonymous
    Anonymous Member Posts: 1,376
    edited November 2008

    I just want to comment on the "troll" issue on the other thread.  There is something mighty wrong with someone when she despises a person (ME) so much that she's afraid to read my post.  However, she did.  Laughing  I wasn't over there to cause trouble.  I was tired of Blaest lying and I wanted to set him straight.  I didn't want the ladies over there thinking that we were blasting him and he was totally respectful to us.  If memory serves me well, we really haven't asked anyone to leave.  OH YES I DID!  I told Blast to SHOO-SHOO..go elsewhere.  My bad!

    Also, I'm tired of his "victim" claim.  He CHOOSES to be a victim.  People make choices and they need to be held accountable instead of playing the "poor victim."

    I'm hoping that the new treasury secretary will have great success.  The markets seemed to love him.  Also, Warren Buffet has said that raising taxes right now would not be a good thing.  So, if Obama is getting advice from him and taking that advice then that's a good thing...no taxes raised..not even capital gains. 

    Shirley

    Shirley

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