Essiac Tea

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We've just had this discussion on the Australian BC Forum and I definitely do not wish to open up a hornet's nest here or upset anyone in any way... I have friends who are trying to get me to consider alternative therapies so I'm simply asking some questions - more so that I can silence them, I think...

This is my second incidence of BC (different type but most aggressive grade again, same breast - bilat mast 12/9 with 12 x weekly Taxol chemo happening now) and I am coping reasonably well, all things considered. I will go the traditional route with my BS and oncologists.

 What I'd like to know is whether anyone in this forum has information on Essiac tea?  Either negative or positive.  This tea is not marketed in Australia.

Thanks!

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  • Deirdre1
    Deirdre1 Member Posts: 1,461
    edited November 2008

    Well I have tried it - it is a product of a Canadian nurse who saw great improvement with her patients and so marketed the tea early 1900's.  You know I think about the subject of alternative meds. all the time and I wonder do we get guarantees with conventional medicines?  I think there is always a "if we are lucky" or "if it works like it should" attached.  So i've decided that everything should be available to us (and it is on the net just make sure you get the original manufacturer connected to the Canadian nurse).  I certainly did not have any negative results but it really difficult to say I had positive ones too..  I would do what you are doing and get whatever other people have found useful too.   Best of luck!

  • crazy4carrots
    crazy4carrots Member Posts: 5,324
    edited November 2008

    Hi Tina;

    Just to add a bit more info:  The nurse's name was Renee Caisse (Essiac spelled backwards).  She got her recipe from an Ojibwa "healer" way back in the 1920's.  Unfortunately, when she died, she never gave anyone the exact recipe, but only the ingredients.  There were many, many research studies done, using the ingredients in different formulations, but none of them proved any benefit for cancer.  In fact, one study showed that it enhanced the development of mammary tumours in lab rats, so perhaps it's something bc patients should avoid.  However, it does seem to have some beneficial effects on the immune system.  The ingredient considered most effective for the immune system is sheep sorrel.

    Linda

  • Jaybird627
    Jaybird627 Member Posts: 2,144
    edited November 2008

    I used it when I was done with chemo. I bought the prepared liquid but it is also available as a loose tea (with quite precise instrictions about using a steel pot, etc.). I'm not sure if I'd trust it to "cure" me but I found it beneficial and if it were in my budget I'd use it regularly.

  • phoenixrising
    phoenixrising Member Posts: 139
    edited November 2008

    It also contains red clover, a phytoestrogen.  I couldn't find any good data in the journals for red clover.  So I didn't take it.  The burdock if used for a long time can bind up your iron.

    I gave it to my husband for colorectal cancer, didn't help him at all.

  • Hindsfeet
    Hindsfeet Member Posts: 2,456
    edited November 2008

    I heard it cures cancer. After discovering I had cancer again I put it over my breast like you would a lotion. I hope it doesn't enhancethe development of mammary glands as it did with the rats.  I would like more info on this or any studies done on essaic.

  • vivre
    vivre Member Posts: 2,167
    edited November 2008

    I don't know anything about essiac, but have you read Jane Plante's book, Your Life in Your Hands. She is an Englishwomen who swears she cured her cancer with a strict diet and especially giving up diary products. You can read some of it on her web site. It convinced me to give up dairy, which I consumed a lot of before. I take vit d supplements and eat spinach to make up for the loss of nutrients. It is amazing to me how much better I feel since I do not use diary anymore.

  • Hindsfeet
    Hindsfeet Member Posts: 2,456
    edited November 2008

    What about soy milk. I asked my doctor and she said there is a lot of debate to if it causes cancer. She said a moderate amount won't hurt. What about eggs? There is so much out there that has hormones. If we have no estrogen then what about our bones? our heart? I want to challenge my cancer with alternative medicine as a after lumpectomy treatment. I'm also a person who believes in balance. One person told me disease can't live or thrive in an alkaline enviroment. Another said we need a balance of alkaline and acidity... the acidity kills free floating bacteria.

    About the mushrooms...I'm a little afraid of mushrooms killing you or being part of the mold family. I'm very allergic to mold. Maybe it helps one person and not another? I would take it today if I knew what I was doing, how and assured it wouldn't have side affects. B

  • lisamed123
    lisamed123 Member Posts: 186
    edited November 2008

    I brought the literature I received from my health food store re:  the tea to my oncs. office.  The oncs office gave me material with studies, etc. on why not to use the tea.  I do take it with a grain of salt since md's are sooo reluctant to even discuss alternative treatments, but I am not willing to take the chance and try it.

    Lisa

  • tomcatiii
    tomcatiii Member Posts: 3
    edited November 2008

    Essiac tea: Commonly used for the immune system, the digestive system, diabetes, high blood pressure, high chlosterol, and chronic pain. Can contain up to eight herbs: blessed thistle, burdock root, kelp, red clover, sheep sorrel, slippery elm bark, turkish rubarb root, and watercress, but the original recipe calls only for 4.  There is a warning page at  http://cancertutor.com/Cancer/Essiac_Warnings.html  It actually seems pretty good, considering how long ago it was formulated.

    Adaptogenic tea: Formulated by Dr. Brekhman over decades of expensive research in the former Soviet Union, the main ingredients are: eleuthero, maral root, schisandra, rhodiolia rosea, aralia, licorice root, St. John's wort and panax ginseng, in varing amounts, for instance eleuthero is 67% and panax ginseng is 2%.    I drink lots of this tea with great results for overall health, for additional cancer prevention I add phellinus linteus and chaga.  Dr Brekhman's claim is that the ingredients were tested and ratioed so they operate synergystically, better that the sum of the parts.  It was provided to Soviet elite such as cosmonauts, ballerinas, athletes, and chess players. 

    Kombucha tea has beneficial acids, probiotics, and b-vit's that supposedly help breast cancer.  It is simple to get a scoby and start brewing Kombucha, I drink it every day.  It costs a fair amount from the store (JT Kombucha brand even mentions breast cancer on the label) but is very inexpensive to make.

    Anyone interested in herb remedies, please don't underestimate tea decoctions.  Capsules may seem convienient but they are expensive and not as readily assimilated in the body as a decoction. There can be unbelievable benefits, just get started and no matter what you will feel better, they work that way.  The adaptogenic tea label from the Russian pharmacy translates "If you are feeling lonely or tired, you simply need a cup of Dersu to improve your mind, body, and spirit." 

    I saw essiac tea on ebay, and there are sources for adaptogenic tea ingredients and the medicinal conks, phellinus linteus, chaga, and may as well look at turkey tail.  From my work with Koreans over 15 years, who are really into this stuff, and having been to Russia 9 times to get ingredients for them, I do have experience of watching people get cured, and it is amazing.  Use all three, cycle them, use them together.  The point is do something to 1. prevent the cancer 2. detain the cancer 3. help with strength and vitatility during chemo/radiation 4. help recovery and 5. help prevent the cancer from returning.  There are no conflictions with the cancer drugs, only some if you are on high plood pressure, hypoglycemic, diabetes, or heart medication, in which case you simply eliminate the herbs with those conflictions and continue with the others.

  • phoenixrising
    phoenixrising Member Posts: 139
    edited November 2008

    Just to clarify, the true Essiac tea only contains 4 herbs.  Turkish rhubarb, red clover, burdock and sheep sorrel.  Flor Essence is the one with the 8 herbs and is often confused.  I can't remember how the story went but somehow the recipe was sold or used  and they added 4 more ingredients.  There seems to be animosity between the 2 companies as Essiac (with Rene's face on the box) is always saying they are the original.

  • Carmelle
    Carmelle Member Posts: 388
    edited November 2008

    Honestly not to be negative but my only other "young"chemo friend consumed and sold this tea in abundance. she passed 3 years ago now.

  • pip57
    pip57 Member Posts: 12,401
    edited November 2008

    My teenaged daughter used Essiac after being dx with rhabdomyosarcoma.  We were able to get the 'original' recipe made by the daughter of the nurse who assisted Renee Caisse.  (My daughter's name was Cassie, an anagram of Caisse) It came from Bracebridge in beer bottles wrapped in newspaper with very specific instructions in how to prepare it.  

    My daughter died so it obviously did not 'cure' her.  However, while taking it, her platelet count could be 5 or 6 (Canadian measurements) and they would be shocked that she had no evidence of bruising or bleeding.  She stopped taking it for a couple of months and within two weeks she would bruise or bleed when her platelets were still in the 20's and 30's.  I really do believe that the Essiac was responsible for that difference.

    However, I would use caution when trying the over the counter Essiac.  With such specific instructions about what type of pan to use and how long to heat it, it is obvious that she believed any slight variation would alter the effectiveness of the medicinal ingredients.  And now that we know more about the role of estrogen and progesterone in BC, I would do a lot of research before relying on Essiac to be helpful.

  • Liz08
    Liz08 Member Posts: 470
    edited November 2008

    Actually I just asked my naturalpath this morning about Essiac tea and she said that it is wonderful to clean out the lymphatic system but doesn't taste very good.  She suggested that I buy it from a company called Flora (Canadian Co) follow the directions it comes with and only need about 1 oz. daily. 

  • phoenixrising
    phoenixrising Member Posts: 139
    edited November 2008

    This is the original Essiac. 

    The main botanicals in ESSIAC® tea:

    1. Burdock root (Arctium lappa)
    2. Sheep sorrel leaves
      (Rumex Acetosella)
    3. Slippery elm inner bark (Ulmus fulva)
    4. Indian rhubarb root
      (Rheum officinale)

    5. This is FlorEssence made by Flora.

    Note:   Rene's face is not on it.

    Ingredients:

    Red Clover

    Blessed Thistle

    Kelp

    Turkish Rhubarb Root

    Watercress

    Slippery Elm

    Sheep Sorrel

    Burdock

    Unfortunately they are used interchangeably by a lot of people that should know better.  But there are big differences.  Something else to think about:  even though FlorEssence contains the same 4 ingredients that Essiac does, it doesn't mean they have followed the recipe as to how much.

    So for those of you who want the original, now you'll know.

    Hope this has helped.

    jan

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