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07 Rescue ... great post ... I think you have a balanced view of cross posting!
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If someone does not specify which sex they are then I would guess that the most appropriate thing to do would be to call that person "it" until they do verify their gender. . . . .. . . .I am all for people thinking differently from myself, and I think it's best when we can treat each other with respect and support, not insults, which only shut down the important communication that otherwise makes us better people, and helps us create novel solutions for the future that include many points of view.
Pretty incredible 07 that you wrote this in the same post. And aren't you that liberal democrat who knows all kinds of secret things, that even the press doesn't know, about what a terrible person Obama is?
I guess you have some of the not very bright people on this thread fooled though, so I give you credit for that
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Gosh I hate it when I get back 4 pages back! SherriG are you calling half of the country unchristian because they voted for Obama? You are saying liberals are not christian. I don't think that is fair, just because I don't think the way you do doesn't mean I am not a christian or can't have beliefs in Jesus as you do. I really think that was a very unfair statement.
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Blaest wrote:
"And aren't you that liberal democrat who knows all kinds of secret things, that even the press doesn't know, about what a terrible person Obama is?"
All one needed to do was to actually participate in the primary and election to know what you are calling "secret things", it's not rocket science. If you lived in Chicago for any length of time you would also understand that the milieu of corruption and thuggery that characterizes politics there is longstanding and entrenched. Chicagoans easily recognize what I have reported as "business as usual" and to be expected from a Chicago politician, which is all Obama is.
As Democrats we need to be willing and able to police our own, and rein in the excesses of our own party, to stop corruption and voter fraud and intimidation, not harness it as a tool to garner ever more power against the will of half the country. Political figures on the right such as Sarah Palin have taken on the task of cleaning up corruption in their party, and she is paying a huge price for her integrity. You can disagree with her on policy positions and ideology, but applauding her obvious character and ethics in pursuing good government is only fair. Democrats allowing the Chicago corruption to spread and proliferate throughout the party will ultimately be our demise, and whatever good liberal views might have offered to our national debate will be nullified once again by that corruption when the baby is thrown out with the bath water. I have seen it time and time again that corruption negates the good that might otherwise have been accomplished. When liberals speak well of socialistic concepts that are essentially justice and sharing, people are cynical because typically all it turns into is the corruption and oppression of society by an elite gang who steal the resources of the many for their own benefit and power. Whatever idealism initially empowered the concept never comes to pass because it is subverted into totalitarianism by a few. If we really believe in anything we say we have to be willing to take a hard look at the human reality of what we do, and clean house. The Obama administration starting out from such an ethically challenged position doesn't bode well for our country, and I believe has sown the seeds of disaster for the Democratic Party.
I actually believe in and care about some liberal/left precepts that I believe hold much value for our society. I feel that if they were ever allowed to manifest in the way they were first intended that people would derive much value from them, and we would have a kinder society where the individual's greatest potential would be supported, and encouraged. We might have a few more answers to long standing problems. But as long as liberalism is corrupted by the power hungry and arrogant it will fail. Then it really is "stealing" and totalitarianism exactly the way conservatives say it is. I find it very valuable to really listen to their criticisms, they are a powerful reality check on ideology. If we cannot remedy the flaws, and refine our ideas so that they do work on a practical level then we do not deserve the power to pursue them.
We offer important reality checks on conservative ideology as well, that the right will need to use to refine their ideas.
Blaest3, when you use personal insults and namecalling it undermines your argument. I have tried to address the issues you raise without responding to the catcalls, but I will no longer respond if your insults directed toward people here on this thread do not cease. There is a big difference between passionately arguing issues on their merits, and ad hominem attacks on poster's intelligence, sanity, etc., which is what you are indulging yourself in here. People have suggested you start another thread to have political debate if that is what you are after, and I think that is a terrific idea. It's up to you how you proceed here, but personal attacks are not appropriate. If you do not respect someone this is not the place to express that.
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I see 07, in your narrow world its simple logic. All Chicago politicians are corrupt. Obama is a Chicago Politician, therefore Obama is corrupt. As for the rest of your sanctimonious, history rewriting post (history rewriting in that you intentionally ignore the disgraceful campaigning and lying by Palen and the disgraceful, maligning nature of many of the posts here), in case you haven't noticed, I am the insultee not the insulter. Heck, IBC, who obviously has some serious issues, followed me to another thread to castigate me. You think Sherri is a nice person? COME ON. Personally I doubt you are a democrat or a liberal. You obviously have contempt for this group of people. And finally, you have no say over where I choose to post or not post. When people here say some of the hateful things they have been saying about democrats, liberals and our President-elect, they are asking to be challenged.
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Happy Veterans Day!!
My daddy, the quintessential Southern gentleman, is 93 and was awarded a Bronze Star in WWII, Pacific Theater. He remained active in the Reserves as a Lt. Colonel. I took him down to the WWII Memorial a couple of years ago, and he read every plaque, breaking down here and there. He told everyone we met about his service (he has Alzh {sigh}), and they all thanked him. He posed~~~military style, and has talked about that visit ever since.
Distant grandfathers fought in the Civil War, on both sides, as well as in the American Revolution. I thank them all for serving and protecting our great country.
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This was a good article until the last paragraph...seriously "until Bush let the country be flooded by Katrina"...I am so sick of Katrina being blamed on Bush and Katrina didn't even hit New Orleans damn it, it hit Mississippi...when is the country going to blame the damn mayor of New Orleans or does that fool skate by for the rest of his life? What a joke!
Bush handing over power to Obama with grace
By BEN FELLER, Associated Press Writer Ben Feller, Associated Press Writer - 1 hr 31 mins ago Featured Topics:
AP - President Bush walks with President-elect Obama down the Colonnade to the Oval Office of the White House ...
WASHINGTON - No matter how people remember President Bush's time in office, let there be no doubt about how he wants to end it: gracefully.
Never mind that Democrat Barack Obama spent all that time deriding Bush for "failed policies," or mocking him for hiding in an "undisclosed location" because he was too unpopular to show up with his party's own candidate, John McCain. This is transition time. Outgoing presidents support the new guy.
And on that front, Bush is going well beyond the minimum. He has embraced the role of statesman with such gusto that it has been hard to miss.
The result is that Bush's last image at the White House will be one of a magnanimous leader. Whether it will improve his legacy is another matter.
"This has been a very good moment late in his presidency, and, I think it's fair to say, much appreciated by the nation," said Cal Jillson, a political science professor at Southern Methodist University, the home of Bush's planned presidential library.
On Monday at the White House, Bush warmly welcomed Obama, whose dominant win last week was largely seen as a referendum on the Bush years.
The two leaders spent more than an hour discussing domestic and foreign policy in the Oval Office. And then Bush gave Obama a personal tour all around.
The world saw video images that were replayed all day and night: Bush and first lady Laura Bush greeting Obama and his wife, Michelle, as if they were old friends; Bush strolling with the president-elect along the famous Colonnade adjacent to the Rose Garden, both men waving and smiling.
Translation: Smooth transition.
The scene was the latest in a flurry of moves by Bush, all designed to show he is serious about making Obama's start a success on Jan. 20.
Mere hours after Obama handily ended eight years of Republican rule, Bush commended Americans for making history. "They chose a president whose journey represents a triumph of the American story - a testament to hard work, optimism and faith in the enduring promise of our nation," Bush said.
If that effusiveness wasn't enough, he called Obama's win an inspiring moment and said it will be a "stirring sight" when the whole Obama family arrives.
Then Bush called together about 1,000 employees on the South Lawn and told them to embrace the transition earnestly. This could have been handled in a press release, or even an internal memo to staff. Instead, it was a big, showy expression of support for Obama, with Bush's Cabinet standing behind him.
"The peaceful transfer of power is one of the hallmarks of a true democracy," Bush said. "And ensuring that this transition is as smooth as possible is a priority for the rest of my presidency."
In case anyone missed the point, Bush underscored it in his Saturday radio address. He pledged an "unprecedented effort" to help Obama take power.
Obama's team is noticing. "So far, cooperation has been excellent," said transition chief John Podesta, a veteran of Bill Clinton's White House.
It was Bush's father, the 41st president, who bitterly lost to Clinton in 1992. But George H.W. Bush ordered his top aides to cooperate with Clinton's transition team. He was quoted at the time as saying, "Let us all finish the job with the same class with which we served."
Echoes of that comment can be found in nearly ever statement his son has made since Obama won election one week ago.
"I think grace is a very good word for the way Bush is responding. And I'd say there's a little bit of the fact that there's a Bush 41 and a Bush 43," said Stephen Hess, a senior fellow emeritus at The Brookings Institution and the author of a new book about presidential transitions.
"There is now a presidency stamped in their DNA," Hess said. "There is a very exclusive club of people who have been president, and they know they may be called on if there's a crisis. They even somehow bond with other former presidents with whom they were not particularly friendly."
The former President Bush and Clinton, in fact, have become friends and successful humanitarian partners. The two have raised millions of dollars for victims of hurricanes in the United States and an Asian tsunami.
Back in the day when Clinton was president-elect, he deferred to Bush 41 and said, "America has only one president at a time." The line sounds familiar: Obama has been saying the same thing about the current President Bush.
Presidents take transitions seriously because they know the world is watching. The goal is to show that the same petty politics that can define an election will not undermine the transfer of power in a democracy.
In other words, statesmanship is expected.
What's more, Bush has indicated he takes this transition particularly seriously because the nation is in such precarious times. Obama does not inherit a decision about how to spend a budget surplus. Instead, his government will face red ink, an economy in shambles and wars ongoing in Iraq and Afghanistan.
"In calmer times, presidents incoming and outgoing have allowed their emotions to run more freely, to show some displeasure and tension," Jillson said. "Bush is aware enough to know that the times don't permit that."
All this doesn't just help Obama. Bush's cooperative approach could serve him well, too. It puts him on the right side of public sentiment.
Ending a tumultuous second term on a positive note certainly can't hurt his standing as he returns to private life.
But it won't be enough to alter Bush's legacy, said Hess, who worked in the Eisenhower and Nixon administrations and advised presidents Ford and Carter.
"The encyclopedia is still going to read: `George W. Bush, 43rd president of the United States, who created a war in Iraq' or `who let the country be flooded by Katrina,'" Hess said. "It's not going to be, `George W. Bush, who left the office gracefully.'"
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Daffodil...your father sounds AWESOME! And yes Happy Veterans Day...my family has all done their military duty both drafted and volunteered. My Great Grandfather was in America a short time (he came from Norway) and immediately served and fought in the Spanish American War. I am proud of all of my family's involvement in the military during times of peace and times of war.
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Happy Veterans day to
My mother Women's Air Corp 1944 and 45
My father US Army 1942 thru 45
My brother US Army 1966 thru 69
My avatar is my mother with her Granddaughter (member of Andrews sister's tribute group, sang) for Veterar's Day
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"Now it is coming out she did not even know Africa was a Continent." Blaest - shows us how much YOU know. Africa is still a continent.
Now, Palin didn't lose the election for McCain. The GOP did and his campaign people. They reined her in so badly that she wasn't able to do anything.
Suggest you watch the interviews Palin's doing this week on MSNBC, Fox and CNN (she's on ALL of them.) The campaign folks on the ground are trying to throw her under the bus to deflect the blame for a fallen election on the only Washington outsider in the GOP.
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If you get a chance check out this wall built here in georgia and being unvieled today.
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Hello Everyone:
Today is November 11, and the clock has just struck 11 a.m. I live in a tourist town right across from the Cda/U.S. border, and of course we get a lot of American visitors. The last few days they have been asking the significance of the red poppy we are wearing on our lapels. Here is why (a poem written in 1915 by Lt.-Col., John McCrae who served in the Canadian army).
In Flanders Fields the poppies blow
Between the crosses, row on row
That mark our place; and in the sky
The larks, still bravely singing, fly,
Scarce heard amid the guns below.
We are the dead. Short days ago
We lived, felt dawn, saw sunset glow,
Loved, and were loved, and now we lie
In Flanders Fields.
Take up our quarrel with the foe;
To you from failing hands we throw
The torch; be yours to hold it high.
If ye break faith with us who die
We shall not sleep, though poppies grow
In Flanders Fields.
Flanders was a village in Belgium. We learned this poem in elementary school, and it always makes me weep -- and remember -- whenever I hear it. We owe so much to so many.
Respectfully, Linda
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With that being said, it is a fact that those on the far left are very anti-Christian, ie the ACLU, Moveon.org and countless other groups.
Its just ignorant statements like this that educated people find offensive. For example, the ACLU is a group of people who stand up for the personal-civil rights of ALL americans. Many of these people work for virtually nothing but the knowledge that they have tried to do some good in their lives. And they are mocked, maligned and lampooned by the truly ignorant in their attempts to stand-up for free speech and basic human rights. Thank god with the election of Obama that some sanity will come back into the national concience.
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Obama Spokesman Says 'Obama Ready to RULE on Day 1'
By Warner Todd Huston (Bio | Archive)
November 10, 2008 - 02:02 ETThe co-chair of Barack Obama's Transition Team, Valerie Jarrett, appeared on Meet the Press this weekend and used, shall we say, an interesting word to described what she thinks Barack Obama will be doing in January when he's officially sworn into office. She told Tom Brokaw that Obama will be ready to "rule" on day one. It's a word that reflects the worst fears that people have for Obama the "arrogant," the "messiah," that imagines he's here to "rule" instead of govern.
Jarret told Brokaw that "given the daunting challenges that we face, it's important that president elect Obama is prepared to really take power and begin to rule day one."
Someone needs to get to Jarrett and inform her that American politicians are not Kings and do not "rule" from office. But if this is the attitude of Obama's transition team, what does The One himself imagine he is about to unleash? Could the fears that Obama thinks he is being anointed America's King be far off with this sort of talk flying about?
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So, I will pray for God to change this persons heart. (hope that is not offensive-but I'm praying even if they are offended)
I am not offended in the least, assuming this was meant for me. But you seem pretty intelligent for this particular thread and open minded also. I would hope that you would see what really goes on here, which is an exhibit of simply hate for any person who gives opinions that are not accepted by the hater. I have been attacked and vilified for my opinions on these boards and you will forgive me if I don't give those haters opinions much weight. You and I can disagree about many things, evolution, religion, politics, without having contempt for the others opinions. But no, I will not be changing my "heart" or my "mind" anytime soon. I don't believe I need any changing. I truly think I am on the side of reason, justice and common sense. Its hard for me to think the same when somebody says something like the ACLU is ant-Christian. I suppose I don't really understand how people can think such things unless they simply, truly, have absolutely no understanding of the facts, but certainly I need not respect such opinions.
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Before anyone reads the following article, I want to emphasize that I understand this is one person's opinion and by no means fact. I read it, thought I would give others the opportunity to read it and see what feed back there is. I have no doubt there will be feedback-but hey, business is SLOW and Im getting bored.
WASHINGTON -- A Republican congressman from Georgia said Monday he fears that President-elect Obama will establish a Gestapo-like security force to impose a Marxist or fascist dictatorship.
"It may sound a bit crazy and off base, but the thing is, he's the one who proposed this national security force," Rep. Paul Broun said of Obama in an interview Monday with The Associated Press. "I'm just trying to bring attention to the fact that we may -- may not, I hope not -- but we may have a problem with that type of philosophy of radical socialism or Marxism."
Broun cited a July speech by Obama that has circulated on the Internet in which the then-Democratic presidential candidate called for a civilian force to take some of the national security burden off the military.
"That's exactly what Hitler did in Nazi Germany and it's exactly what the Soviet Union did," Broun said. "When he's proposing to have a national security force that's answering to him, that is as strong as the U.S. military, he's showing me signs of being Marxist."
Obama's comments about a national security force came during a speech in Colorado about building a new civil service corps. Among other things, he called for expanding the nation's foreign service and doubling the size of the Peace Corps "to renew our diplomacy."
"We cannot continue to rely only on our military in order to achieve the national security objectives that we've set," Obama said in July. "We've got to have a civilian national security force that's just as powerful, just as strong, just as well-funded."
Broun said he also believes Obama likely will move to ban gun ownership if he does build a national police force.
Obama has said he respects the Second Amendment right to bear arms and favors "common sense" gun laws. Gun rights advocates interpret that as meaning he'll at least enact curbs on ownership of assault weapons and concealed weapons. As an Illinois state lawmaker, Obama supported a ban on semiautomatic weapons and tighter restrictions on firearms generally.
"We can't be lulled into complacency," Broun said. "You have to remember that Adolf Hitler was elected in a democratic Germany. I'm not comparing him to Adolf Hitler. What I'm saying is there is the potential."
Obama's transition office did not respond immediately to Broun's remarks.
http://elections.foxnews.com/2008/11/10/republican-congressman-warns-obama-dictatorship/
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And the ties keep getting deeper! A little more about Valerie Jarrett published in the New York Times Nov. 5th:
"As he prepares to take office, President-elect Barack Obama is relying on a small team of advisers who will lead his transition operation and help choose the members of a new Obama administration. Following is part of a series of profiles of potential members of the administration.
As he prepares to take office, President-elect Barack Obama is relying on a small team of advisers who will lead his transition operation and help choose the members of a new Obama administration. Following is part of a series of profiles of potential members of the administration.
Valerie Jarrett Is linked to Mr. Obama: In too many ways to count. Mr. Obama is a man with many mentors, but she has been one of his most longstanding and influential tutors, navigating him through Chicago civic and political circles. Ms. Jarrett coached both Obamas at once - they first met when Mrs. Obama applied for a job with Ms. Jarrett in the Chicago mayor's office - and she has guided them ever since.
Carries as baggage: Ms. Jarrett specializes in smoothing feathers, not ruffling them, but her link to Habitat could raise complications. The company, the court-appointed overseer of vast tracts of Chicago's public housing, has been accused of mismanaging some of those projects, allowing them to deteriorate even more than they had under government supervision.
Is otherwise known for: Sharing an unusual, peripatetic background with Mr. Obama. Ms. Jarrett was born in Shiraz, Iran, in 1956, and educated at a New England prep school. But while Mr. Obama was once an outsider in Chicago's black community, Ms. Jarrett was a member of its royalty."
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Blaest -- "the ACLU is a group of people who stand up for the personal-civil rights of ALL americans"
Is that right? Gee, I wonder where was the ACLU when the Obamabots were invading the privacy of "Joe the Plumber." Didn't hear about ACLU coming to HIS defense.
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She told Tom Brokaw that Obama will be ready to "rule" on day one.
Come on Moody, this is ridiculous. So the person on meet the press used a poor choice of words. Obama has made clear that he will be very deliberative and will seek the opinions of many others before making decisions. He also will seek consensus. But the buck does stop with him and I'm sure that's what this person meant. Why make so much out of so little? Why not instead respect his intelligence, his introspection, and his deliberativeness as compared to the cowboy who shoots from his hip. -
Is that right? Gee, I wonder where was the ACLU when the Obamabots were invading the privacy of "Joe the Plumber." Didn't hear about ACLU coming to HIS defense.
Its pretty clear by this question you have no understanding of what the ACLU is or what it does. By the way, it was Mccain who made Joe a public figure,and it was Joe who hired an agent to try to exploit that fact, not that this has anything to do with the ACLU.
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Blaest -- your profile says you've been a member since October 2008, but nothing else. Did you come to this website seeking information because you're a breast cancer survivor or are interested in the subject? Why do you continue to hang where you're not welcome? Surely, you can't enjoy this?
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HA HA HA "Its pretty clear by this question you have no understanding of what the ACLU is or what it does. By the way, it was Mccain who made Joe a public figure . . . " You can't be serious. I was quoting you, Einstein. Joe didn't ask Obama to come down his street - he simply asked a question and you know it.
Count me in as one more on BC.org who's blocked you. Bye bye, ole misguided one.
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Blaest or whoever you are - the woman who had Joe the Plumbers records checked in Ohio is now under investigation because she apparently was campaigning for Obama on the states time which is illegal. As for the ACLU - they should have come to Joe's defense the minute that it was out in the media that they had checked his records. What about the people who were in Obama's infomercial or some of his campaign ads- they put themselves out there - how do we know they were telling the truth? Why did no one look into their backgrounds? Obama made them public figures. Joe didn't hire an agent until later. The ACLU is a JOKE!
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One more word about the public official/Obama contributor in Ohio who invaded Joe's privacy -- as of this morning, she's been suspended from her job because of what she's done. She now needs to be fired. If she worked for the agency I work for (federal), I'd be proposing her removal (and I'm in HR and can do that.) There's plenty of unemployed and qualified people who need jobs and are more deserving than someone like this.
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Things are moving to fast here for more Sherri you keep catching my eye LOL Blaest or however it is spelled is not a troll and I beleive is and independent asking questions on both threads. They are new and can only post 5 posts a day since they are new. You may want to read her posts as she is not a troll and seriously trying to debate sort of.
Anyway, the news didn't say he was going to sign and EO to fund abortions overseas. He is overturning something the Bush admistration knocked out when they came it. It didn't allow counselors to offer all options to a mother other than just what to do with her baby. This is a touchy subject because I know strong repubs are 100% pro life. Having said that I am a Dem obviously but I am Pro Life for ME but I cannot tell another person what to do with her body. My problem comes in where these women get PG from turning tricks to do drugs. Even if you force them to stay PG they willnot stop their drugs or tricking. Who is taking these challeged babies because the mother refused to care for herself. Everyone wants her to have the baby but no one is jumping to adpot the drug babies and AIDS babies. These poor children are being brought into this world and having no one to love them. Most people shy away from them because of issues.
A person that is going to do these things is either going to kill her child in utereo with her drug use or will give birth to a deformed or seriously ill baby that may or may not survive. That is a terrible fate to come into
That is just my feeling and I am a catholic and that goes against what my church says but I will not force my beliefs on another
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Sherri I'm glad I like you, kind of remind me of my best friend, I voted Obama and she voted McCain. We go gentle on political talk so we don't strain our friendship but your comments remind me so much of her. Basically that is a very nice compliment even though I don't agree with what you say.
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"One of the great myths of the 20th - and now 21st - century is the belief that the American Civil Liberties Union was an organization that had a noble beginning, but somehow strayed off course.
That myth is untrue. The ACLU set a course to destroy America - her freedom and her values - right from the start.
From its very beginning, the ACLU had strong socialist and communist ties. As early as 1931, the U.S. Congress was alarmed by the ACLU's devotion to communism. A report by the Special House Committee to Investigate Communist Activities stated
The American Civil Liberties Union is closely affiliated with the communist movement in the United States, and fully 90 percent of its efforts are on behalf of communists who have come into conflict with the law. It claims to stand for free speech, free press and free assembly, but it is quite apparent that the main function of the ACLU is an attempt to protect the communists. "
Read the entire article here: http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=45959 or google "origins or ACLU"
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You brought me to tears telling me about your friend. You two are lucky to have each other
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Oooo abortion is a very "touchy" and somewhat "risky" topic. Might as well jump in head first. (LOL)
So here is MY OPINION (as of right now- subject to change as I am a female) I am Pro-Life, but I am a realist. What I mean is that I would prefer there were no abortions but the sad reality is that there are. Taking away "abortion rights" or "right to choose" will not stop abortions, it will make them more dangerous to get. "Bargain basement" abortions by quack doctors would run rampant.
My best friend in college had an abortion. She didnt go home and talk to mama, she and her boyfriend secretly went on the weekend. So to think that girls will turn to their families for help or advice is also unrealistic. I pray that my daughter would never be in this position, I pray that if she did she would come to me, but if she did as my best friend did, I would at least want her to have a clean, reputable, regulated clinic to go to and not some quacks basement hemorraging.
I know someone else who got pregnant out of wedlock, and she chose to keep her baby (praise God) but sadly the same people screaming "pro-life" called her a whore for being pregnant without a husband!
I do say that if woman goes in for abortion #2, then they should take everything out.
My cousin was able to adopt a little girl because the teenage mom knew she couldnt take care of a baby. Now that is a GREAT solution, but again so many teenagers or women dont talk to other people.
Also, I cannot stand it when I hear some "pro-life" extremist has killed an abortion doctor. Is that an oxymoron or what!!!!
Let me say this again though so noone misunderstands....I am PRO-LIFE no doubt, but I have seen reality with some of my own friends.
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