The Respectfully Republican Conversation

So blaest let me make sure I understand how you are defining yourself as a centrist.........you claim to be left on certain things and right on certain things and when you combine them then it all evens out.......hmmmmm....... so pray tell what are the issues that you are on the right?.......I guess for them to even out you have just as many right sided issues that you do left?......I would just like to know what issues you agree with us here on the right?.........Shokk

There has been a great deal of the use of the word troll lately.  Let's see if we can eliminate it as a personal attact and come up with a clear definition of the term.  Here are some of my thoughts.

A troll is:

A man with some serious "mommy issues" that still lives at home (image of last name of Bates, a rundown motel, and a rocking chair with "mommy" in dark room.)

A man with mommy issues causing him to seek out sites that would mostly all women he believes made vunerable to attacks due to a dibilitating disease.

A man who uses a pseudo intelect to try to obtain a sense of superiority over "vunerable" women but lacks the knowledge to recognize his failure. 

A man who first claims to be a worriedhubby but makes no mention of wife or disease. 

One who has never had any 'normal' relationship with a member of any sex. (other than 900 phone lines and fetish sites)

Disclaimer:  Any similarity to the above definition and any troll that comes to this site is purely on purpose.

Rock, the majority is not always right.  Tyranny by the majority is a real concern right now in places like California.  I am very surprised the California Constitution could be amended by a majority vote of the people, if that's what happened. I assume the validity of this Proposition will be considered in Court.  The majority should never be able to trample on the fundamental rights of the minority, although I am not saying marriage between two gays is a fundamental right.  I suppose that is for the Courts.

I also would not call Bush a 'hater'

I agree bush is not a hater, but he is a man who appears to have very little compassion or consideration for what other people had to endure because of his decisions.  He appears to have been a man without concience or guilt about the incredible harm he has caused to so many. 

badboob67 wrote:

Anyone who believes that a christian who attends church and believes what the Bible says is a fanatic must be very insecure if they honestly worry about someone shoving their beliefs down another's throat.

Amen, Badboob!  Uh-Oh, I said AMEN...is that too fanatical?  It's no one's business whether we are Christian or not.  I haven't seen one person on this board cram religion down anyone's throat here on this board.  However, I sure would like to something.

Well you would be wrong Shokk.  I pretty much ignored this thread during the campaign because i did not want to get into it with everyone, but the last few days I just wanted to see what people were thinking about the results of the election.  I have been very giddy about them and so wanted to talk about it.  And I have NEVER understood some of the hateful and nasty tones by some of the members here when they read opinions over which they disagree.  I have always enjoyed debating politics and religion.  And yea, I am a little amused by the people here who are so quick to judge, hate, insult and malign.  I can't help laughing at the hate filled posts of some of the posters here because I see them as so incredibly ignorant and yet I realize they think the same about us.  Oh well.  Different opinions make the world go round.

Come on Bad Boob, are you serious?  The religious right wing have been trying to force the rest of us to march to their tune forever.  Do you forget about the allegations that Palin tried to ban books she didn't approve of, how about the anti-choice zeal of the religious fanatics, or the Bush doctrine of delaying stem cell research because it is the destruction of life, or anti-gay stances because it violates the bible or the will of god, or the teaching of creationism in school.  Why do you think the religious right want their own candidates, so they don't push their agendas?  I'm not saying Palin would have demanded people attend church, but from the Chiavo (spelling??) affair (remember that brain-dead woman?) to sticking their noses in our bedrooms, the religious right are always trying to tell us how to live.  Watching her in that video with that witch doctor was scary indeed.

Blaest, or whatever your name truly is, you are invited to go post somewhere else.  Stop spewing your vile venom vomit here.  And I, like some over <-----------------------have never told anyone who posts over <--------------------- to not post here.  Now, mind you, it's only me telling you to leave!  I'm not in the best of moods.  Going to a funeral of a person who has lost her battle to breast cancer is a sure way to get one fired up.  She was one hell'uva fighter (sorry, IBC, I cussed).  And that's all I'm going to say about that right now.

You've got it wrong on the banning of books by Palin.  Do your own research.  I won't do it for you.  Hope you're not to lazy to do that.  We've furnished time after time the truth about this subject and more.

You know nothing about Terri Schiavo.  She didn't look so purrty did she after her brain damage.  A lot of people do not look pretty afterwards. A lot of women don't look so purtty after battling bc.  Terri's  husband was a creep.  Her parents wanted to take care of her. I was working within that group for years and the day Terri died broke our hearts!  I would like to say more, but I would then BE ATTACKING you and it's against the rule.  I don't believe you know the whole story about Terri.  It's a pathetic story. What which doctor are you referring to?

Other people on this republican thread may disagree with me that I think Terri should have been given life.  Her husband and lawyer tired to take away treatment from her (anti-biotics) when she had a UTI (do you know what a UTI is?  If not, look it up).  That was against the law so the court ordered her treatment.  The only thing the woman needed was a feeding tube.  Her dh would not even ALLOW a swallow test to see if she could swallow. 

I suppose you heard about the fella in Oregon who had applied for state help (Medicaid I suppose) and was turned down, but was sent a letter in the mail that they would help him with doctor suicide.  The man was shocked.  It made it's way to Fox News (THANK GOD FOR FOX NEWS) and they gave him chemo instead of an injection.  Fox got the news out..HAHAHA  I wonder how many chemo patients would be turned down because they aren't expected to live five years.  My friend who was just buried was dxd 12 or 13 years ago with stage IV and the docs didn't think she'd live longer than five years.  And, let me tell you, SHE LIVED until the very end!  So, don't talk about the Schiavo case (you can't even spell the name).

Why are you afraid to teach creastionism alongside of evolution.  Can you prove evolution. NO..no more than I can PROVE creastionism.  I think the best thing to do is perhaps not teach anything about how this world "came about."  Let the parents teach them.  And, I don't want my grandchildren taught anything about sex education to them..not even about which parts of their bodies are not to be touched by others.  It's up to my dd and her dh.  If anyone should be required to take sex education on how to talk to their children it should be the parents.  And, if they need help then go to the teacher.

Shirley

Blaest wrote:

You are free to ignore Sherri.  There are those here like moody who have open minds and tolerance and the intelligence to have an opinion.  Then there are those who have closed minds and who so hate any opinions which contradict their own that they insult, attack, protest, call names (like trolls), etc.  Why am I not surprised that this would happen on a board that thinks the left are whiney and self loathing.

That is the funniest statement I have read in a very long time.  Blaest and your other personalities, go over to the other thread and see how many times I've been called a troll.  Go over there and see the posts posted AGAINST me.  Go over there and see when I posted perhaps some factual things that they wanted no part of it.  No negativity.  Don't come over here being all pompous..go over <-----------------------------------------------------------!

Rocktobermom wrote:

Oh I was reading an article where people were mad about Prop 8 being funded by the Mormon and Catholic church (Knights of Columbus is a Catholic org) ...  WTF? These religions have a right to fund propositions that go along with their beliefs.  Both these religions are bible based which speaks against homosexuality.  

Roctobermom, at the Saddleback Forum Obama was asked what marriage is.  Obama answered it was between a man and a woman.  Now, how can anyone interpret that any differently?  So, he's against gay marriage, right?

Shirley

There has been a great deal of the use of the word troll lately.  Let's see if we can eliminate it as a personal attact and come up with a clear definition of the term.  Here are some of my thoughts.

Oh my goodness!  You have me laughing.  Great definitions.  I think I shall ignore the mulitiple personality disorder troll.

Shirley

Shirley, I wondered where you've been.  I am soooo sorry about your friend!  I too truly hate this disease.

But welcome back, I've missed your insights and your passion. 

P.S. I thought I saw you having some posts over there.  Maybe I was looking at older pages-or I could just be wrong all together - Im wrong alot you know - LOL-

Ibc why do you have my deleted post copied and pasted there?

Blaest wrote:

"she refers to me as an "IT" instead of a he or a she.  I ask you what kind of people write these kind of posts?  The problem with the republican side is that there are simply some hateful people there"

If someone does not specify which sex they are then I would guess that the most appropriate thing to do would be to call that person "it" until they do verify their gender.

As a liberal/lefty on many issues I understand there is published agreement at both the NY Times and Washington Post, two liberal newspapers, that the left is considerably more vulgar, vicious, unhinged, and incivil than the right is - that is the considered judgement from the ombudsmen from both of those papers, who get to read the incoming complaints from readers. Many, many liberal pundits have agreed with that judgement. The virulent hate and rage coming from the left outdoes the right on a regular basis.

Now as a liberal (on domestic and most social issues), and centrist (on foreign affairs, national defense, and questions of military intervention) I would feel it was incredibly inappropriate to come onto this thread to contest the views here just to inflame people. This is a respectful thread and provides a safe place for Republicans to confer and, at times, vent feelings. I have only posted here in the interest of supporting people against attacks of being "racist" that I feel are very unfair and inaccurate, and to emphasize where we do agree, and have common goals. There are other threads to express liberal views on, and that is the place for them. If none of them seem suitable, one could always start a new thread. Imposing argumentative and insulting posts on a thread for Republicans seems totally inappropriate to me.

I very much enjoy and support the idea of "loyal opposition" on political issues, so that our varying values, personal experiences, perspectives, judgments, and thinking processes can offer different solutions to the national problems we face. Questioning our positions helps sharpen and refine them in a positive fashion. Including other people's perspectives widens our own. I am all for people thinking differently from myself, and I think it's best when we can treat each other with respect and support, not insults, which only shut down the important communication that otherwise makes us better people, and helps us create novel solutions for the future that include many points of view. 

I believe posters who only show up to insult and antagonize others are part of the problem, not part of the solution. 

No need to apologize.  Not offended.  Was just wondering.