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  • LuAnnH
    LuAnnH Member Posts: 8,847
    edited November 2008

    This is how it was last election.  I think it was Kerry running against Bush.  Kerry actually won the popular vote but was not elected president because of the electorial college.  I don't get the electorial college system, anyone real knowledgabe care to explain it in layman terms?

  • LuAnnH
    LuAnnH Member Posts: 8,847
    edited November 2008

    I think that sounds about right, that is how I explained it to my DIL but wasn't 100% that I was right.  I was pretty upset the last election that the dems worn the popular vote but didn't get the job.  That part doesn't seem right.

    I saw the landslide coming in the electorial college but watching the states votes come in I knew the popular vote would be close.

    Keep your fingers crossed, I think obama is going to come through on  some things to get us kickstarted and going.  If he can find and end to these wars we are in would be a sweet bonus also!  I want my son home, ok call me selfish!  LOL

  • Daffodil
    Daffodil Member Posts: 829
    edited January 2009

    What happened to the military ballots?

  • Anonymous
    Anonymous Member Posts: 1,376
    edited November 2008

    Come on Bad Boob, are you serious?  The religious right wing have been trying to force the rest of us to march to their tune forever.  Do you forget about the allegations that Palin tried to ban books she didn't approve of, how about the anti-choice zeal of the religious fanatics, or the Bush doctrine of delaying stem cell research because it is the destruction of life, or anti-gay stances because it violates the bible or the will of god, or the teaching of creationism in school.  Why do you think the religious right want their own candidates, so they don't push their agendas?  I'm not saying Palin would have demanded people attend church, but from the Chiavo (spelling??) affair (remember that brain-dead woman?) to sticking their noses in our bedrooms, the religious right are always trying to tell us how to live.  Watching her in that video with that witch doctor was scary indeed.

  • Anonymous
    Anonymous Member Posts: 1,376
    edited November 2008

     Yes, it's the same old intolerance of the "tolerant" left.

    How are the left "intolerant".  When is the last time they have tried to tell you how you should live "YOUR" life. 

    Yep, the lefties are a whiny bunch.  I just can't stomach all that self pity and self loathing. 

    You know, I recognize it is standard operating procedure for Republican diehards to insult everybody and anything they don't agree with, look at IBC attacking me a few pages back, look at the Rove way of campaigning, but what the heck are you talking about and can you give examples? 

  • moodyk13
    moodyk13 Member Posts: 1,180
    edited November 2008

    Blaest, and to everyone on both sides of the politcal fence:  We are all willing to believe anything and everything we hear about the candidate we oppose.  "Democrat diehards" and "republican diehards" are all guilty on this account including myself. 

     So Blaest you speak of "republican diehards to insult everybody and anything they dont agree with".  I hate to be the one to point out the obvious but so do democrat diehards........DUH!!!

    I would like to believe that most everyone on BOTH sides are merely fact finding and educating themselves so that we can do a better job of deciphering truth from lie.  One good way to do that is to have these discussions, get everyone to thinking and I know for a fact MANY of us then go on fact finding explorations to see for ourselves what is as close to the truth as anyone will ever get.

  • moodyk13
    moodyk13 Member Posts: 1,180
    edited November 2008

    Now with regards to the "religious fanatics":  True there are religious fanatics, but these people are not.  A religious fanatic absolutely tries to stuff their beliefs down your throat, then condemn and/or judge those who dont "accept" their beliefs.  It is such an unfortunate thing that people associate these extremist with christianity.  There is NO comparison to these "fanatics" and christians.

    I listened to ALMOST every speech Gov. Palin had and I never heard her trying to "stuff" her biblical beliefs on anyone.  I am not saying she didn't, because I didn't get to hear all of her speeches.  But I have NO DOUBT if she had, it would have been on the front page of every newspaper, magazine, and internet providers front page.

    The only thing I ever heard was on election day, while ALL the other candidates had their little "good luck" things they did, she only said she was staying close to her family and her faith.  HOW ON EARTH COULD THAT BE SO OFFENSIVE?

    I am a christian.  I do not believe in forcing my faith on anyone.  I do not believe in preaching to you, or condemning or judging anyone who doesnt believe in Christ.  I do believe in trying my very best to love everyone.  Even those I dont agree with.  I do believe in doing my very, very best to live the way Christ wants me to, but mostly I am thankful for the forgiveness I receive when I screw up.  And believe me, I certainly screw up.

    Now you may take this as trying to "stuff" my beliefs down your throat.  I hope not.  I am merely trying to clarify a "religious fanatic" versus a Christ believer, because so many confuse the two.  The only way to do this is to explain the difference.

    Either way, I read all of your posts, and you usually "tweak" my curiosity so that I do some research for myself.  I ALWAYS learn something new when I do this so I think that is good.

    P.S.----I am sending some love to you blaest---freely Smile  

  • Anonymous
    Anonymous Member Posts: 1,376
    edited November 2008

    as long as it's not muslim. Then it's NOT ok.  ...  don't forget atheism ... its ok to blast every religious idea except muslims and atheists --- according to some over there.

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    Blaest if you are going to charge Palin with something--- GET YOUR FACTS STRAIGHT.  The banning of books fiasco was FALSE and it's been publicized that the charge was not true." Looks like some of these library people failed reading comprehension. Take a look at the list below and you’ll find books Gov. Palin supposedly tried to ban…that hadn’t even been published yet. Example: The Harry Potter books, the first of which wasn’t published until 1998.

    The smear merchants who continue to circulate the list also failed to do a simple Google search, which would have showed them that the bogus Sarah Palin Banned Book List is almost an exact copy-and-paste reproduction of a generic list of “Books Banned at One Time or Another in the United States” that has been floating around the Internet for years. STACLU notes that the official Obama campaign website is also perpetuating the fraud. And it’s spread to craigslist, where some unhinged user is posting images likening Palin to Hitler. Here it is again.

    The person who first spread the Palin smear is identified as “Andrew Aucoin,” a commenter on the blog of librarian Jessamyn West. West has done the right thing in keeping the bogus comment up and pointing out in her main post that “there appears to be no truth to the claim made by the commenter, and no further documentation or support for this has turned up.”

    It’s a fake. Not true. Total B.S. A lie.

    How are the left "intolerant".  When is the last time they have tried to tell you how you should live "YOUR" life.   Ummm, I guess you don't read over there .. we've been told we should read certain books (LOTS OF THEM).  The intolerant left also would want homosexuality taught in school as an ok choice.  I don't think ANY religious view should be taught in school nor any personal lifestyle choices ... whether its an unmarried hetero or homo couple or married people. My daughter's teacher just asked them to draw their family.  Well, she was not chastised because there was no dad in the pic ... it's not that she doesn't know she has one, he is just not around so she doesn't consider him part of her "family" ...The idea of freedom of speech doesn't mean that those with fundamental and moderate values are to be shushed.  Freedom of Speech, though and values belongs to everyone. 

  • Anonymous
    Anonymous Member Posts: 1,376
    edited November 2008

    The Electoral College frosts me .....  It's because we are not a democratic nation ... we are a Republic.  (think flag salute ... "and to the Republic for which it stands, one nation under God").

    If our election was based on popular vote, we'd be a Democratic nation ... I bet it would frost some Dems to learn that they are Republican after all ... we all are!

  • badboob67
    badboob67 Member Posts: 2,780
    edited November 2008
    Come on Bad Boob, are you serious?
     
    I'm sorry...I underestimated your ignorance
  • Anonymous
    Anonymous Member Posts: 1,376
    edited November 2008

    Two hundred thirty or so years ago, the electoral college worked because it took weeks to travel from one end of the country to another, so people would actually be voting for someone to represent them at the electoral college.  Each state's representatives would learn how their state voted, and then they would get together, and based on the outcome of the election in each state, elect a new president. 

    At this point, we get election results instantaneously from the far end of the country.  The electoral college has become obsolete, but it would take an ammendment to the constitution to change or abolish it.

  • moodyk13
    moodyk13 Member Posts: 1,180
    edited November 2008

    Okay I'm gonna throw something out there that will no doubt cause a huge controversary, but what the heck, I've told ya'll all along that I have no life Tongue out

    Blaest is against teaching creationism in public schools.  Okay, fair enough, everyone has the right to their opinions and there is suppose to be a seperation of church and state, I get all that.  But I just have one question:  IF evolution were true, why did it stop?  IF man came from an ape, or monkey, or whatever, why hasnt man evolved into something other than man?  Why haven't any NEW species evolved since "man" became a "civilized" creature????  Why is it that only apes (again whatever) evolved and not lions and and tigers and bears (oh my!)

    It is no more "out there" or "crazy" or "offensive" to believe that there is a God who created earth, animals, and man than it is to teach that man started out on all fours and now we have the internet.  Of course for me, it is way easier to believe in Adam and Eve, than to believe we "evolved" from a tadpole, or monkey, or ape, or whatever. 

    Just a thought............................

  • moodyk13
    moodyk13 Member Posts: 1,180
    edited November 2008
    SherriG I dont think it is an accident that Blaest is here reading this thread.  Doesnt matter if he/she is a troll or using more than one id.  I believe with all my heart there is a reason.  Hmmm....
  • Anonymous
    Anonymous Member Posts: 1,376
    edited November 2008

    My dad sent this nice email today and it's appropriate ... I wish I could send this to Obama:

    You know, one of the really nice things about our world is that it’s full of people who have all kinds of good intentions – including the desire to consistently do what’s right, fair, and just. But, intending or wanting to do something and actually doing it aren’t the same. The difference is action. And the thing that helps ensure action happens is accountability.

    Remember when you were in your early teens?  We could hardly wait to become adults because we thought it would mean we could do whatever we wanted. Well, we became adults (at least age wise) and we found it meant something much different: Now WE were responsible for ourselves – WE were accountable for our actions. We still are…and always will be.

    Certainly, each of us has to answer to the external authorities in our lives like the government, our workplace leaders, and the “higher authority” that exists for many of us. But equally (if not more) important, we need to answer to ourselves. In the real world, others can mandate that we follow rules and laws, but they can’t force us to be people of good character…individuals who remain true to our beliefs and values. Ultimately, it’s up to each of us to choose how we will live our lives, hold ourselves to high standards, and continually evaluate what’s inside the image we see in the mirror.

  • Anonymous
    Anonymous Member Posts: 1,376
    edited November 2008

    And Moody:  IF man came from an ape, or monkey, or whatever, why hasnt man evolved into something other than man?

    If man came from an ape, why are there still apes? 

  • moodyk13
    moodyk13 Member Posts: 1,180
    edited November 2008

    Aw man!!!!! I knew I was forgetting something!!!!!  That was on my list too!  THANKS FOR HAVING MY BACK!!!!!!!! Kiss Wink

    My daughters science class has been studying evolution this past month.  It bothers her but she understands.  I told her to ask her teacher that very question.

  • Anonymous
    Anonymous Member Posts: 1,376
    edited November 2008

    Can you imagine if the Inauguration was still in March like it was until the 20th Century? Imagine the lame duck session ... Bush still in office (sorry ladies, I don't like him ... like him less than Obama). But officially, Obama isn't even the president elect yet!

    The election takes place in November and the electoral colleges meet in December, at which time the current session of Congress ends. The new session then returns after New Year's on January 3rd and certifies the electoral vote leaving plenty of time for dealing with any discrepancies.

  • Anonymous
    Anonymous Member Posts: 1,376
    edited November 2008

    Moody, your daughter should jokingly ask her about my signature line .... If evolution is fact, why do mothers only have two hands?

  • moodyk13
    moodyk13 Member Posts: 1,180
    edited November 2008

    I did see that, and I got a "chuckle" out of it.  It is soooooo true!!!!!

  • pinoideae
    pinoideae Member Posts: 1,271
    edited November 2008

    It's difficult for me to believe in the whole evolution theory.  I believe there is a God that created everything on earth, and I don't know which religion is the "right" (for lack of a better word) religion.  I do see many similarities in religions.

  • pinoideae
    pinoideae Member Posts: 1,271
    edited November 2008

    Lol Rocktobermom, but moms have eyes in the back of their heads.

    Moms have eyes in the back of their heads

    October 31st, 2008, 6:15 am · 5 Comments · posted by Jenny Angelici

    blog-icon.jpgIt's true. Moms do indeed have eyes in the back of their heads. This explains why we know everything.

    Usually, you can't see mine, but some sneaky photographer caught me with my eyes wide open.

    If you can't find yours - I recommend cutting a pair out of a magazine and taping them to the back of your head. A fun way to to scare the heck out of your kids.

  • Anonymous
    Anonymous Member Posts: 1,376
    edited November 2008

    You are free to ignore Sherri.  There are those here like moody who have open minds and tolerance and the intelligence to have an opinion.  Then there are those who have closed minds and who so hate any opinions which contradict their own that they insult, attack, protest, call names (like trolls), etc.  Why am I not surprised that this would happen on a board that thinks the left are whiney and self loathing.

  • Anonymous
    Anonymous Member Posts: 1,376
    edited November 2008

    First let me clear up that the reason I have several IDs is because each of my ids is limited to posting five times in a twenty-four hour period.  I guess this is a new policy and I am a fairly new member. 

     IF evolution were true, why did it stop?  IF man came from an ape, or monkey, or whatever, why hasnt man evolved into something other than man?  Why haven't any NEW species evolved since "man" became a "civilized" creature????  Why is it that only apes (again whatever) evolved and not lions and and tigers and bears (oh my!)

    Well first of all you are talking about a huge time period.  Man has only been around, or Homo-Sapiens for ten thousand plus years or so.  We did not evolve from apes by the way, but from an earlier ancestor of Apes.  We evolved along different paths.  The Neanderthal was a different Human species but couldn't compete with Home-Sapiens and died out. 

    It is no more "out there" or "crazy" or "offensive" to believe that there is a God who created earth, animals, and man than it is to teach that man started out on all fours and now we have the internet.  Of course for me, it is way easier to believe in Adam and Eve, than to believe we "evolved" from a tadpole, or monkey, or ape, or whatever. 

    You are missing the point.  Evololution should be taught as a scientific theory, and that's what it is.  Belief in God is not based on science, it is faith based.  It does not belong as part of a non-religious education. People can have an opinion about Genesis and Adam, but Genesis is not a scientific theory and would not hold up if it were based on scientific evidence that the world is billions of years old as opposed to thousands of years old.

    That being said, in the entire cosmos with multiplie universes, certainly there is likely a creative force far greater than us who might have directly been involved in our own creation.  But we are fooling ourselves if we believe we know who or what he is or what he wants from us, if anything at all, imho   But that begs the point that there SHOULD be separation of church and state.

  • Anonymous
    Anonymous Member Posts: 1,376
    edited November 2008

    Something I've always believed is that being a liberal is a form of cowardice.  They don't stand for anything.  There's nothing any easier than saying, "Anything goes".  There is no moral right or wrong in liberal land.  The word "morality" seems to cause them angst.

    You know, I read something like this and I ask myself, as a centrist, moderate, how so many people became so ignorant to actually believe something like this let alone to public assert it.  It is just amazing to me.  First of all, Liberals can also be religious, if that is your requirement for standing for anything, but your statement makes absolutely no sense.  They are simply meaningless words meant to, again, hurl insults at those you don't agree with.

  • bluedahlia
    bluedahlia Member Posts: 6,944
    edited November 2008

    Religion and science can mesh.  We just don't yet know how to interpret the bible,

    But the day of the Lord will come like a thief. The heavens will disappear with a roar; the elements will be destroyed by fire, and the earth and everything in it will be laid bare. Since everything will be destroyed in this way, what kind of people ought you to be? You ought to live holy and godly lives as you look forward to the day of God and speed its coming. That day will bring about the destruction of the heavens by fire, and the elements will melt in the heat. But in keeping with his promise we are looking forward to a new heaven and a new earth, the home of righteousness. 2 Peter 3:10-13.

    I'm not going to try to interpret the above.  Using this as an example of how little we know.  If one were to question how the above would be possible, the imagination of anyone living 100 years ago would probably draw a blank.  BUT, now, we can understand that there is a destructive force, created by man that can accomplish that feat.  In that 100 years we learned a little about how this could come to pass.

    We have not yet evolved enough to understand all that the bible holds secret. 

    I also have been sitting on my hands with regard to the philosophy behind Christianity and Christ.  His preachings were all about sharing and loving.  Neither party even comes close and I do find it ironic that He is mentioned.  JMO.Smile

  • Anonymous
    Anonymous Member Posts: 1,376
    edited November 2008

    And by the way, even Homosapiens have evolved along different paths, at least when it comes to the shape of the eye, the color of skin, etc.  There are also some physiological and biological differences.  For example, Blacks tend to inherit the sickle cell anemia gene, which in itself might have had an evolutionary purpose:

        It is believed that sickle cell disease arose as an "evolutionary mutation" in order to survive places which had the malaria virus.  A mutation is a biochemical change in the DNA structure of the human-being to insure the survival of offspring.  Thus the hereditary disease of sickle cell anemia, protected Africans against deadly forms of malaria.  Scientists have identified at least four types of sickle cell, each indigenous to different geographical areas around the world.  Some children, however, only carry the sickle cell trait, while other children are born with the sickle cell disease.

    So there has been evolution, even in a relatively short period of time that we've been around.

    Evolution is a fact, its just a question of how much evolution has to do with man's creation and how much may have been some kind of "devine" intervention.

  • shokk
    shokk Member Posts: 1,763
    edited November 2008

    So blaest your a centrist.......so tell us uneducated and non tolerate conservatives exactly what "issues" you are a centrist?  Abortion? Environment? Taxes? Size of Gov't? Gun laws? Evolution? Religion? Since you stated yourself that you are a centrist you have no "course of action" that is either liberal or conservative.......interesting..........so you have no opinion about any of the above topics.......that is you don't take either liberal or conservative views about abortion, environment, taxes, size of gov't, gun laws, evolution, religion.........wow is all I have got to say.......not even sure why you are posting on the political threads........Shokk

  • Anonymous
    Anonymous Member Posts: 1,376
    edited November 2008

    Blaest don't forget, this is the RESPECTFULLY Republican thread ... we aren't here to defend our choices .. you can create a thread for that if you want ...  And by the way, having multiple log-in's and profiles, VIOLATES the rules....  Blaest, Blaest2, truthseeker, what are the other names???

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    Oh I was reading an article where people were mad about Prop 8 being funded by the Mormon and Catholic church (Knights of Columbus is a Catholic org) ...  WTF? These religions have a right to fund propositions that go along with their beliefs.  Both these religions are bible based which speaks against homosexuality.  

    Tell me, is it only ok to fund money for liberal causes?  Why don't they have freeness of speech? 

    Even though it was seen only as an issue of them being able to marry there were financial repurcussions for Californians ... in a time where we don't have any money.  In some cities, its a non issue: San Fran ... benefits are extended to life partners, but other cities are not this way.

  • Anonymous
    Anonymous Member Posts: 1,376
    edited November 2008

    its post due to the content.  It has to walk a fine line now, thankfully.

    Rock, depending on the issues I have varying views, which is why I consider myself a Centrist.  Note this comment from Sherri however, where she refers to me as an "IT" instead of a he or a she.  I ask you what kind of people write these kind of posts?  The problem with the republican side is that there are simply some hateful people there, people who despise other people who think differently from the way they do.  And there is that tendency to insult and malign, for example, if you opposed the war you were "unpatriotic", if you agreed with Obama you were not a "real american".   My personal opinion is that America finally stood up and said "enough hate", we are all Americans.  I really feel sorry for people who are so bitter, filled with venom, so hateful that they would call another person an IT.  I can't tell you how happy I am that Obama won and those type of people are on their way out of power.

  • djd
    djd Member Posts: 866
    edited November 2008

    I don't know why "evolution" is seen as mutually exclusive from the concept of God.  There is so much scientific evidence that it's impossible to deny evolution.  It doesn't mean that there isn't a god who has a plan.

    One of the posts above claims that we have not seen recent evolution.  I would ask, then, how do you explain MRSA (Medically resistant staph)?   The only way the staph can survive is to "evolve" to resist known antibiotics.  The staph that can't dies, the staph that survives is a new strain.  Sounds like evolution to me.

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