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  • suzfive
    suzfive Member Posts: 456
    edited November 2008

    LuAnn - that is the really sad part - most of these kids come from two parent working families. Many do not speak English and are working at low paying jobs but they care about their children. They came to parent orientation and were so happy that my dd was their children's teacher. She has very high expectations - guess that is something new for them - and they were so happy.

  • Anonymous
    Anonymous Member Posts: 1,376
    edited November 2008

    Suzfive, parents need to back up these teachers.  Parents need to discipline their children.  Parents need to teach tolerance toward other people.

    My dd went to Girls' State sponsored by the American Legion.  She has always been in private

    schools.  She was in the eleventh grade when she went..I believe it was in Greenville or

    Greensboro.  My memory....  Anyway, that was the first time that she had ever really been

    around African Americans.  It was a bit hard for her because their culture was so different.  But, I

    am happy to say that she and my other two dds have NO problem with other ethnic groups.  It

    was her living in a "white" world.  I've mentioned more than once that she went to a predominately

    black university for law school.  I asked her recently how the two groups interacted.  She said

    that the African Americans and the whites stayed mostly in their "own groups."  However, one of

    her best friends was an African American young man.  Oh, and she also worked with many

    African American women at the domestic violence shelter and also worked FOR many African

    American women trapped in domestic violence.  And, not, it's not just in the African American c

    ommunities or poor white communities..domestic violence happens in middle class to upper

    class communities.  Sad, very sad.

    Shirley

    LuAnn, went back and fixed my post for you.  Hope you can read it. Laughing

  • Anonymous
    Anonymous Member Posts: 1,376
    edited November 2008

    07rescue, this is going to sound racist to some.  I was watching on election day and I can't remember if this happened in Ohio or where.  Anyway, there were Black Panthers standing at the door as you enter.  I think they were called the New Black Panthers..something like that.  One had some kind of stick in his hand..the police were called...and they told him to leave.  The other one could stay.  I don't know why he was there.  I think it was in an African American community.  But he had the right to stand there all intimidating.  I thought to myself..what if a KKK member dressed in white with a hood..maybe he'd have to take the hood off...was standing at the door.  Would he be allowed to stay?  I hope not!

    Shirley

  • Paulette531
    Paulette531 Member Posts: 738
    edited November 2008

    Obama apologizes to Nancy Reagan for seance remark

    WASHINGTON - President-elect Obama called Nancy Reagan on Friday to apologize for joking that she held seances in the White House.

    At a news conference in Chicago, Obama said he had spoken with all the living presidents as he prepares to take office in January. Then he smiled and said, "I didn't want to get into a Nancy Reagan thing about doing any seances."

    The 87-year-old former first lady had consulted with astrologers during her husband's presidency. But she did not hold conversations with the dead.

    Obama spokeswoman Stephanie Cutter said the president-elect later called Mrs. Reagan "to apologize for the careless and offhanded remark." She said Obama "expressed his admiration and affection for Mrs. Reagan that so many Americans share, and they had a warm conversation."

    It actually wasn't Nancy Reagan who was linked to conversations with the dead; it was Obama's top Democratic challenger for the presidency, Sen. Hillary Rodham Clinton, D-N.Y.

    In either case, use of the word "seance" might be overstated.

    Nancy Reagan consulted an astrologer to help set her husband's schedule, wrote former White House chief of staff Donald T. Regan. The revelation created a furor and President Reagan even broke with his policy of not commenting on books by former White House staffers.

    "No policy or decision in my mind has ever been influenced by astrology," Reagan said.

    In his book "The Choice," Washington Post reporter Bob Woodward described how Clinton consulted with a spiritual adviser who led her through imaginary conversations with her personal hero, Eleanor Roosevelt. Newsweek magazine, which was promoting the book, characterized the visits as "seances," a term that White House officials quickly tried to squelch.

    "These were people who were helping her laugh, helping her think," said Neel Lattimore, Clinton's spokeswoman. "These were not seances."

  • 07rescue
    07rescue Member Posts: 168
    edited November 2008

    Hi Blaest, 

     I specifically told people not to take my word for it, but to go get involved in politics and see for themselves. I don't believe what people say, I go see for myself. What I have personally witnessed has horrified me. I report it truthfully, as have others, and invite others to do as I have done and go check things out for yourselves.

    Most people will not have the interest, time or energy to go devote so much of themselves to getting involved with politics as to be privy to the inner workings of campaigns, unfortunately. It's not everyone's cup of tea, either. Many people are turned off to it all, for good reason. Because I know most people will not have the opportunity to see for themselves, I take it as my responsibility to report my experience faithfully, for whatever value it holds for them. For you, with your predisposition to like Barack Obama that may be of no value whatsoever. But for every person like your self who sees only good in Barack Obama's presentation, there are others who do not trust him, and do not agree with him or his tactics. Your insistence on his supposed qualities is belied by my direct experience, so you won't convince me he is benign. He has harmed too many people I know to ever have my support. It's wrong, how he has behaved, and actions speak much, much louder than words. 

  • moodyk13
    moodyk13 Member Posts: 1,180
    edited November 2008

    Am I the only one who noticed Obama's mama was white?  Has Barrak Obama forgotten that his mama was white?  He is claiming to be the first "African American President" but that is an "untruth" if he is actually bi-racial.........or maybe I am thinking of another candidate?

    It is a slap in the face of his grandmother who raised him to only claim his fathers heritage.  He is NOT "African-American" he IS "Bi-racial". 

    But by gosh, no one better challenge HIM.

    Meanwhile, Sarah Palin is ridiculed, unfairly attacked, and sadly by MOSTLY women.  If the women in this country were as passionate about our "sex" as black people are about their "race" then who knows what would have happened in this election.

    I dont give a rats butt if she said africa was a country...........I've done the same thing, even though I know it is a continent!  When we talk of africa, we say "africa"  when we talk about france, we say france, and so on.  yes africa is a continent with a bunch of little countries and who on this board could name ALL the countries in africa??  i can think of about 3 off the top of my head, otherwise i need a map please.

    Who gives a rats butt how much the "mccain" people spent on her clothes.  they were helping the economy.  she looked great, and still doesnt come close to the amount of $$$$  BO's campaign spent on "who knows what"-------know why we dont know?  Cause no one is allowed to ask...........

    We on this board should be outraged that one of our own is so unfairly trampled on every time she sneezes.  we gotta stick together!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

    I would have loved to see Condalesa (?sp? - u know who i mean) Rice be Pres or VP!  Now THAT would be change!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

  • Anonymous
    Anonymous Member Posts: 1,376
    edited November 2008

    Sure thing 07.  I believe every word you say and believe you know things that were never picked up by the Press.  So how many peopld did Obama have killed?  thirty, forty, more than 100?  We all want to know :-)

  • moodyk13
    moodyk13 Member Posts: 1,180
    edited November 2008

    Because if the other side doesnt come over here to "stir things up" this thread would get boring.  It is the only entertainment I have (yes, I have no life) so I like dems posting here. 

    PLUS the dems posting here are still being civil- not mean ugly and hateful like several on the other thread.

  • moodyk13
    moodyk13 Member Posts: 1,180
    edited November 2008

    I hate the term "african-american".  My ancestors are Irish but I dont go around claiming to be "irish-american".  what ever happened to black, white, hispanic, and asian?

    black people i know here in the south get mad if you call them african-american.

  • moodyk13
    moodyk13 Member Posts: 1,180
    edited November 2008
    SherriG- I "double-dog dare you" to go to <-----------------------and tell them their "golden boy" is BI-RACIAL and NOT AFRICAN-AMERICAN.  Surprised
  • Paulette531
    Paulette531 Member Posts: 738
    edited November 2008

    Sherri...I read an article about why he identifies himself as being black. I will find it if I can but essentially he supposedly said he identifies himself as being black because that is how people see him. The article went on to say...shame on him for identifying himself based on what others saw. An analogy would be a healthy person identifying herself as being fat because other people said this to her when in reality she isn't fat but she isn't bone thin either.

  • moodyk13
    moodyk13 Member Posts: 1,180
    edited November 2008

    That is easy Paulette, by identifying himself as "african-American" he is forever etched in all our grandkids history books.  He will ride that horse to his death.........unless of course a more "popular" reference comes along.

  • Paulette531
    Paulette531 Member Posts: 738
    edited November 2008

    I don't know why we have to identify ourselves as anything...the census, government reporting/state reporting, and schools ask for this information on forms and applications. I even hate it when some forms have white instead of caucasian, I am not really white, I am a light tan color. A few years back I just started checking "other" whenever anything asked about my race.

  • 07rescue
    07rescue Member Posts: 168
    edited November 2008

    SherriG wrote: 

    07rescue, what you are saying about BO is right in line with my DH's boss.  He lived in Chicago for 45 years and has told us the same things you are saying in your post.  BO is part of the Chicago machine. 

    LOL, people from Chicago totally understand what I am talking about, they have seen it up close for years. We all had to laugh over the ridiculousness of Obama running as an agent of "change". He and his people are the worst of the old politics, with a great marketing campaign disguising it to fool the kids. We thought it all had to be a huge joke. But we were the stupid ones, who dismissed it as unbelievable marketing, because he ran on it and won. We didn't see it coming.

    There is so much evidence against him, but the media refused to cover it, and Obama did a great job of denying it all.  

    The Chicago machine successfully flipped the 1960 election to John Kennedy through voter fraud, they have a long and mighty tradition of it, which is well documented.

  • LuAnnH
    LuAnnH Member Posts: 8,847
    edited November 2008

    moody, I know many bi racial people and they tend to refer to themselves as black or african american because that obviously is a dominant trait in their skin.  He made a reference today about his being bi racial.  I thought it was his grandmother that was white, maybe I am wrong, didn't really dig into his history to know where he had a white parent or grandparent. 

    I guess the race part is not really an issue to me, personally I am glad to see that barrior is not broken that a african american made it to the highest office in the land which shows young kids that say "it don't matter, I ain't gonnin anywhere cause I'm black" (trust me I've heard these words) it breaks that stigma and you can try to help make some kids understand they can go anywhere they want no matter who they are or what their skin color.

    I orginally came in to ask a different question.  What do you think would have been the outcome if Hillary had gotten the dem nomination?  Who would be pres elect right now?

  • LuAnnH
    LuAnnH Member Posts: 8,847
    edited November 2008

    Shirley, I did notice your post, thanks!  LOL  I knew you did that for me  LOL

  • moodyk13
    moodyk13 Member Posts: 1,180
    edited November 2008
    Good point ladysuz!  Laughing  I can't come back on that one.....shoot!
  • moodyk13
    moodyk13 Member Posts: 1,180
    edited November 2008

    I use to be a huge Hillary fan LuAnn.  In fact the only reason I voted for Bill Clinton for his second term was because I knew who was really running the country.  Wink

    I lost respect for her after 9/11.  

    Then I have become more and more conservative the older my kids have gotten.

    (Double spaced just for you) 

  • Analemma
    Analemma Member Posts: 1,622
    edited November 2008

    Hi, sorry to intrude, but did you hear the press conference this afternoon when Barack Obama referred to himself as a "mutt?"  He was talking about the kind of dog they might get, and he said they'd like to get a shelter dog, but Malia is allergic, and most shelter dogs are "mutts like me." 

  • moodyk13
    moodyk13 Member Posts: 1,180
    edited November 2008

    Sadly, I use to be very sharp with facts like what Ladysuz pointed out.  Since chemo, I've lost my touch.  I would have realized it about a month from now................

  • Rosemary44
    Rosemary44 Member Posts: 2,660
    edited November 2008

    Rescue,

    I have no doubt that if what you are saying is true, it will rear its ugly head.  We will first get small clues, then larger ones.  We won't even have to be reading between the lines, it will show.  Obama choosing Emmanuel as his Chief of Staff may be very telling.  

    Obama has a way of throwing people away.  Used and gone.  Hopefully, his tactics from the past will also be gone and we can get things accomplished.  We'll be watching.

  • Paulette531
    Paulette531 Member Posts: 738
    edited November 2008

    Grace...I just noticed in your last post you said...Obama is not only my president but also Your president...so then I guess Bush is not only my president but also Your president. And why shouldn't we have come together when you were constantly dissing and name calling President Bush? Or do we only come together under a Dem regime? Strange the way that works.

  • Anonymous
    Anonymous Member Posts: 1,376
    edited November 2008

    Paulette wrote:  Obama is not only my president but also Your president...so then I guess Bush is not only my president but also Your president. And why shouldn't we have come together when you were constantly dissing and name calling President Bush? Or do we only come together under a Dem regime? Strange the way that works.

    THANK YOU!!!   I just don't get it how they BLASTED Bush and now it's not ok for others to blast Obama if desired!

    I just wanted to restate what someone else posted:  AMY CARTER went to a public school when she was residing in the White House.  But Obama's children have been attending private school already, the reports say they will probably attend private school again.  

    It also frosts me that he hardly acknowledges his white history.  I think he could gain a lot of ground about coming together if he made more claim to the fact that he is a blend of BOTH. He has an amazing backround that he seems proud of and is one to be admired:  he was drug around the world and then his mom chose her work over him and gave him to his grandparents to be raised...his dad abandoned them.  And yet here he is ... despite the curves life threw his way. 

    rocktobermom --- Irish/Scottish-American

  • 07rescue
    07rescue Member Posts: 168
    edited November 2008

    Rosemary44 wrote:

    Rescue,I have no doubt that if what you are saying is true, it will rear its ugly head.  We will first get small clues, then larger ones.  We won't even have to be reading between the lines, it will show.  Obama choosing Emmanuel as his Chief of Staff may be very telling.  

    Obama has a way of throwing people away.  Used and gone.  Hopefully, his tactics from the past will also be gone and we can get things accomplished.  We'll be watching. 

    I also believe it will rear it's ugly head, and I offer my experience to alert people to the possibilities.

     I also post this information because I have noticed all over the country that there are many, many people who do not trust Obama, and they don't know why. They are going on intuition alone. I see those people being unfairly accused of racism, as though that were the only possible explanation for their uneasy feeling about him. When I saw people once again being accused of racism here on this board I prefer to explain why so many people close to Obama, black and white, do not trust him, based on their experience with him. There are many reasons not to trust him, people are right not to trust him, and I do my best to bolster their position. They aren't racists, they are simply perceptive, discerning people of many races, who have a right to their opinion.

  • Believer0711
    Believer0711 Member Posts: 351
    edited November 2008

    I guess we can call BO a chameleon, because he changes his skin color (and political positions/views) to adapt. He's black, white, both, Christian, Muslim, both, pro-this, pro-that, then against this and that  ---- I can't figure him out!

  • moodyk13
    moodyk13 Member Posts: 1,180
    edited November 2008
    I guess I am just american if I really think about it.  My parents were born here in GA.  So were my grandparents, and their parents.  Heck I wouldnt even know I had Irish in me if it weren't for my mom's maiden name (O'kelley) , my freckles, fair skin, and hot temper.....Undecided
  • Anonymous
    Anonymous Member Posts: 1,376
    edited November 2008

    Thank God for men like Bill Cosby.  He tries to teach reach African Americans, but many of them were angry at what he had to say.  This not only applies to African Americans, but to whites, Latinos...anyone.  It's much easier to sit back and let your child do anything he/she wants.  It's much harder to read to them, teach them colors and numbers...just spend time with them.  It can be tiring and trying to be a GOOD parent.  And, I realize that even good parents have children wander away from what they are taught.  I believe ALL parents can learn from what Bill Cosby has to say.

    An excerpt:

    http://www.city-journal.org/2008/18_3_african_american_awakening.html   Myron Magnet The

    Great African-American Awakening Some brave voices are shifting the conversation from victimhood to responsibility.

    We are celebrating a great civil rights victory, Cosby told the NAACP. People

    actually present in the audience "marched and were hit in the face with rocks" so that

    black kids could get a decent education. But now? "What the hell good is Brown v.

    Board of Education if nobody wants it?" What did those brave marchers achieve if,

    50 years later, half of African-American kids drop out of high school and can't speak

    standard English-especially since all it takes to get started in today's more open

    America is a high school diploma and the ability to impress potential bosses as

    articulate, polite, and dependable?

    This failure, too, is largely a failure of parenting. Yes, ghetto schools are bad, Cosby

    and Poussaint acknowledge, and parents can't fix them. "But you can make the best use

    of what you have to get the best you can for your child," they advise. You can make

    sure he does his homework and pays attention in class. And much of what a kid learns

    he learns at home, after all-especially in his crucial first five years. "Talking and

    reading to infants and children help lay down the physical structures in the brain to

    develop skills in language," the authors point out.

    But many ghetto moms aren't imparting the language and cognitive skills without which

    children can't succeed once they get to school. "Teachers report that in poor

    neighborhoods children often begin school not knowing their colors or the letters of

    the alphabet," Cosby and Poussaint write. "Some have limited vocabularies and little

    knowledge of numbers. Some don't even know that sheep go ‘Baaa.' " These deficits are

    hard to correct later on. Indeed, "sharp-eyed teachers can identify the children who

    will become high school dropouts the day they walk in the kindergarten door." The

    damage is already done.

  • Anonymous
    Anonymous Member Posts: 1,376
    edited November 2008

    I do now that I'm Polish.  I suppose I'm half Polish because both my Grandparents were Polish.  Do you know how many dumb jokes are out there about Polish people?  Of course you do and I laugh at them too because they're true!

    Shirley

  • Harley44
    Harley44 Member Posts: 5,446
    edited November 2008

    RoctoberMom,

    I agree with you, it makes me angry that BO won't admit to his WHITE heritage!  I think IF he would make a statement about how he is bi-racial, being BOTH black AND white, it would unite this country.  Who knows?  Maybe he doesn't want that.  hmmm...

    Rescue and Sherri,

    What you say about BO is truly scary, and I believe you.  Even before any information came out about his association with shady characters, there was just something not quite right about this relatively unknown man being thrust forward onto the scene, and promoted as presidential candidate, after a short time as Senator, with almost nothing to show in the way of accomplishments.  Oh, and voting 'present' is a cop-out, in my opinion. 

    Ok.  I'll shut up now. 

  • Harley44
    Harley44 Member Posts: 5,446
    edited November 2008

    Ok.  I'm Scottish, Irish, American Indian, German, and small part French and Russian... I think that is all, but my parents were BOTH born in the U.S.A. 

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