The Respectfully Republican Conversation

Shirley--I posted the comment on the other thread because it speaks volumes about what has been said on this thread; and for the most part because of comments made by others on the Obama thread that referenced many of the comments made on this thread. Per usual, it doesn't pay to post anything on this thread, although I thank you for posting my remarks from the other thread on this thread, and can always expect to be blasted and accused of calling you personally, or others personally "racist."

I don't intend to review the past 124 pages and list for you all of the comments that pertain to this quote. I expect that you will come back with another blast at me or my opinions, however, you don't worry me one bit. In fact, if the shoe fits, wear it. So as long as there are people in America who persist in maintaining they are not racist--there will be racism--as to persist in this is to be dishonest about the true self. Now, if you have anything further to direct toward me, please post it on the other thread, as I won't be returning to this one.

And just so you know, I don't have any opinion about you, I don't like or dislike you. And I really don't care if you like or dislike me. 

Gov. Palin said in her radio interview today that should Sen. Stevens be expelled from the Senate, and she spoke to 2 Senators saying they will do that, she would appoint a temporary Senator so they have representation, and then they'll have an election for his permanent replacement.  She can run, without giving up her Governor chair. 

For those of us who want to believe the pathetic reporting going on right now, think a bit.  When did she have time to shop every 5 mins.?  Believe what you like.  She was a bolt of lightening for McCain's campaign.  She'll do very well in the Senate and get national exposure. 

Sherri,

Hmmm, not exactly, it was Hillary who talked with Eleanor.  I don't believe Eleanor talked with the dead.  Just Hillary. 

I'm still waiting to find out exactly what is in that 2 tier stimulus package.  I did hear about the loan we're taking for it.. $918 BILLION bucks.  The highest ever. 

There hasn't been a presidential offspring in a D.C. public school since Amy Carter attended Stevens Elementary at 21st and K in the late 1970s. Vice President Al Gore's kids attended St. Albans and National Cathedral schools, while Chelsea Clinton was enrolled at Sidwell Friends.

Found that in a newspaper article...

On the Sarah Palin front:  In the past few months this woman has been pregnant, given birth (and we know how the sudden ebb and flow of hormones can throw you for a loop) to a special needs baby, sent her oldest child off to war, discovered that her teenage daughter is pregnant, that she will soon be a grandmother, and left small town Alaska to run for office in the glare of the national media.  Let's cut the woman a break!  Talk about a stress overload, no wonder she made a gaffe or two.  Wouldn't you have under the circumstances? 

If not, please run for office soon, because the country really needs perfect people like you to run it!

As for troopergate, why isn't this guy behind bars for felony child abuse after tasering Palin's nephew?  Forget about keeping his job and state issued weapon!  He made threats against a sitting governor and her family and actually physically attacked one of them with a potentially deadly weapon.

As for the excuse that it's only a domestic dispute, please explain how that makes it okay to all the women who have died at the hands of a husband whose divorce wasn't coming fast enough, or going the way he wanted on the custody front etc. 

LuAnn, I will be your friend even if you are mean to me!!!!  You can't get rid of me that easy.

I believe there are vouchers in D.C.  I haven't looked it up.  But I thought I heard about this during the campaign..McCain, I think, made a statement about it and how well it was going.  I wish we had vouchers when my kids went to school.

Think of the children who go to schools where there's so much violence.  Just because they live in a poor community doesn't mean that these parents don't worry about their children.  They want their children to achieve their dreams too.  Obama had the best education that was offered. 

I'll tell you what happened to the public school system..ACLU!  Organizations like that.  They have stripped the teachers of any authority.  Like I've stated over and over...when I was going to school we had NO RIGHTS!  We did what the teachers said or else!  And Mommies and Daddies didn't come to school to fuss out the teachers and principal.  WE got fussed out!

PatMom, thanks for reminding even me what Sarah Palin has been through in these few short months.  Heck, just running for office is hard enough.

Blaest wrote:

How can anybody not watch Obama speak, listen to his intellect and his eloquence and his charisma and not be very hopeful, finally, for the country's future??? 

Lifelong Democrats who actually KNOW Obama personally see a treacherous, ruthless, highly skilled con man/actor who knows exquisitely well how to push all the right emotional buttoms to gain people's trust and devotion, while pulling the most vile, dishonest, destructive actions behind the scenes. Someone here asked me for details about the things he has done, and I cannot do that because there are lives on the line, especially since Obama and his gang have achieved overwhelming force in this country. We failed at stopping his Chicago gang takeover of the Democratic Party, so now the most corrupt faction has total power in the party. Anyone who opposes him, or disagrees with him will be destroyed. It's terrifying to watch the difference between who he has been presented [to the public] to be, and who he actually is. And all the people who watch his performance and are taken in will swear he is a great man. Next time you go watch a movie and find yourself convinced of the "reality" of the actors' emotions on the screen, remember my words and think of President Obama and his portrayal of what you wish him to be... he is extremely good at doing this, and stabbing people in the back with his other hand.

We  who know him will never ever trust him. How many of his old friends do you see out there speaking highly of him? All his current supporters are the soulless Party leaders who expect him to share power with them. Old friends? None. He has destroyed them, threatened them into submission, stepped on their necks in his drive to gain power, thrown them under the bus, lied to them and undercut them, had his leg breakers go after them. He plays violent and dirty, his honchos do not just threaten to destroy people's careers, mount primary challenges against them, or do the normal political strong arming to bully them, they threaten to kill people's children and elderly parents, burn their homes down, do drive by shootings into people's windows to intimidate them. The difference between the fairytale and the reality is shocking. 

You can go believe the great Obama movie, complete with the "poor boy makes good" marketing motif, or you can get involved for real and find out the truth for yourself, if you have the interest, the time, and the love for your country to risk your life for it. Don't take my word for it, go get involved and see for yourself what is real and what is a huge con game. I couldn't believe my own eyes in the beginning, and I fault myself for not documenting everything I witnessed, not that it would have worked to present it to law enforcement or the media, not in the face of the powers forcing their way onto our country. I'm too sick to fight right now, it's pathetic, so I must leave the fight to others. 

Keep in mind, I offer you this testimony as a lifelong liberal progressive who believes in the professed goals of the  Democratic Party, doesn't believe taxes are "stealing" - I believe they are the "price of civilization"- believes in socialized medicine for moral reasons, and would LOVE to have a smart, experienced, qualified African American president for our country. But I cannot countenance the tactics that have been used by the Obama campaign - especially the rampant, systematic voter fraud and intimidation - to subvert democracy and force these goals on others. The ends do not justify "any means necessary". We must win by changing hearts and minds, by earning people's respect and trust, by constantly the fighting the corruption that destroys liberal programs and turns them into cash cows for the powerful, by working hard to protect all our citizens equally, by acting the way our values dictate we must act. That should not include destroying those under us, or who may disagree. There are no short term fixes to this, and it all requires far more energy than the American public has been willing to devote to it in the past. By default, the wolves have taken over the chicken coop.

For someone like me, who has devoted my life to progressive politics, to object this strongly to the takeover of my party, and to support John McCain over Obama, is an extraordinary step for me. I disagree with the Republican Party on most issues, but I will fight to my last breathe to defend everyone's right to disagree, without being threatened with violence and worse for it.

I don't expect anyone who loves the image of Barack Obama to believe me, I realize it is a very difficult dream to lose. It's a good dream. But don't expect everyone to agree with your belief in Barack Obama, we actually know him. For us, it is terrifying that he won. Even more terrifying is that there are so many in our party who believe that only someone as ruthlessly cold and sociopathic could win the White House, and it's fine with them. That's chilling. What it portends for our country in the future is unforeseeable. Like cancer, it may attack at anytime, or remit and lie invisible, docile, quiescent, harmless. Your guess on the outcome is as good as mine. I would have voted against having cancer, not for it, however.

Thank you 07rescue for informing us of what you know.  As you have stated, there will be many people who do not believe you.  I do because I can't find one person that has come out and spoken highly of him that he befriended in college or elsewhere.  All we know is the people who have sat on boards with him, sat in pews with him, his wife who made two derogatory statements against our nation. 

Shirley

you guys that make these long posts, I can't read them.  I need more white in them, like this

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then I can give my eyes a break to read and concentrate (darn cancer tx intereferes with that also), so please when you type these lovely long posts help me out please 

Shirley, when have I been mean to you?

I don't fault the Obama's if they send their children to a private school. I live in a district that has "good" public schools and I have still chosen to send my children to private schools. I do think though that ALL children should have the opportunity to go to private schools - not just those whose parents can afford it or sacrifice everything in order to send their children to a good school.

My dd teaches in an economically disadvantaged school, most of her students are Hispanic. She gave them a test last week and was returning the test on Wednesday. They had done very poorly and she was really upset with them. These are smart kids - she teaches in a magnet school so they had to test to get into the school. Many of them though choose not to use their brains and are gang members, etc. She told them she was really disappointed in how they did on the test and that she knew they could do better. Then one young man said "Yo, we don't need to study no more - we got Obama and he's gonna take care of us". She was already upset with them for doing so poorly so she said to them "You know it is really great that we now have an African American as President of the United States but if you think for one minute that he is going to fix everything for you, that you don't have to study and make something of yourselves you are sadly mistaken. The only person that can make things better for you is you". Then she asked them if they knew where Pres-elect Obama went to college - they didn't. She told them Columbia and Harvard. She told them that his election just proved that there was no limit to the opportunity in this county for all people if you seize it. She is trying so hard to get through to them, trying to teach them good study skills so that they have the skills to do well in high school and beyond. She lived in a third world country and still remembers the children who would stand by the windows of the school - their parents were too poor to send them to school. Some were as young as 7 - already working as domestic help because their families were too poor to feed them, but they would stand by the windows and peer in yearning to be able to learn. It just makes her really angry that children in this country don't realize how good they have it. I really hope that Pres. Obama can do something for the educational system in this country. It might be something that Michelle could do as First Lady - visit some of these schools and talk to the students and encourage them to strive for better things. You can pour all the money in the world into the schools - but what you really need to do is to change attitudes. You can pay teachers all the money in the world but if they have students who are indifferent nothing will change.

As far as the other thread <--------------- they did win didn't they? They sound like the campaign is still going on. I think we have all accepted Pres-elect Obama - he will be OUR President. If we all voted for him - 100% that would be extremely dangerous - dissent is a good thing. As for the racism thing - how many of you over there <---------------- would have voted for the Republican ticket if things were reversed and Obama was white and McCain was black - most of you would not - you would have voted on ideology - and so would we. I would be more than happy to vote for any color candidate that shares my ideology - I do not view the Presidential election like it was nothing more than "American Idol". I thought Obama was supposed to be a uniter and he has called for national service - so please do us a service and stop being so divisive. I don't think any of us want this country to go to hell in a handbasket so it will take all of us working together to bring peace and prosperity to this great nation. Name calling does not unite people.

On the Presidential dog front - I bet he is getting calls from shelters all over the country that have allergy free puppies!

We failed at stopping his Chicago gang takeover of the Democratic Party, so now the most corrupt faction has total power in the party. Anyone who opposes him, or disagrees with him will be destroyed. It's terrifying to watch the difference between who he has been presented [to the public] to be, and who he actually is.

Sure thing, and we should believe a word you say because why again????

Thank you 07rescue for informing us of what you know.

Shirley I know you believe what you say but I have to admit that your blanket acceptance of what 07 has to say is evidence of a person who doesn't use much discretion or critical analysis in what she chooses to accept or not.  A nut appears on this board and essentially accuses Obama of being the anti-christ and you  simply accept that this poster is telling the truth?  I should send you over to the boards where people believe that Bush and the government planned for and brought down the towers.  There are just some people who will believe anything they read I suppose.

07 - I certainly hope you are wrong because that is very frightening - but I did find it interesting how no one from his earlier days came out to speak for him. Then you have what they did to "Joe the Plumber". The same did not happen to the people he had in his infomercial even though they had put themselves out there too- HMMM.

Did anyone hear Chris Mathews - it is his duty to help this presidency succeed - WTH - I thought it was the media's job to do just the opposite after an appropriate honeymoon period LOL! I think the Obama campaign struck up some kind of deal with the media.