Positive Obama thread
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cheryl- I posted the same thing a while back. I won't be settled until obama is declared the victor. The Rovian republicans will stoop to any level to get elected, no matter now sleazy.
Ladysuz- I'm up for it 100%, might need to do a sleep over the night before because I bet we have to get there early. Can I take a train to your town?
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I would make the trip if it didn't interfere with seeing my son as he returns home from Iraq. He is due home anywhere between Jan 10 and Feb 15
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Little G, I just watched the video you suggested above and let me tell you, it made me so proud of Sarah Palin and John McCain, they did an excellent job. Go Palin, Go McCain. Afew more days and they will be our new leaders!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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LuAnn, I'm so happy to hear your son will be coming home soon! I've been thinking about him, and you. Please let him know he's in my thoughts.
Ladysuz, where in Maryland are you? I used to live in Silver Spring. No family there anymore, but I still know folks in that area.
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A quick morning pop in before I go to work. So glad today is Friday. Funny thing about that tape on McCain and Palin. The reporter afterwards said they both were very tense with each other. He said they were acting liking losers - which they are lol.
Nicki
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Luann- glad your son is coming home, but sorry you can't come! I'd drag you to eastern state pen afterwards
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suz- that's great you're so close. Count me in, I can bring my own sleeping bag! I'll probably be taking the train. Sometimes I feel like a guinea pig, does that count?
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My house is a house divided. I am Obama and husband is for McCain. He is a member of the NRA, Palin's husband came to speak at my husband's gun club. My understanding was Todd said 3 sentences then left. Next thing I knew there was a McCain/Palin sign in my front yard. I hit the roof. Told husband that until I have an Obama sign he will have to take down the McCain sign. He laughed at me as he took it down.
I love this thread.
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Where do you get an Obama sign or a car sticker? I am in Colorado and it would be "fun" to have one (don't think I get my car bashed, we are split evenly if I am correct
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Good morning Obama supporters..........it's your Conservative Republican sister that I am sure you guys wish I would just stay on my own thread but I must jump in here about my perspective on the whole Wright, Ayers stuff...........and I am not bashing Obama believe me.......I think McCain and most of talk radio and Shawn Hannity are completely off base..........Obama came from Hawaii and then to Columbia right.......he didn't know about the south side of Chicago and those politics........and the old radical 60's people that make up that scene...........I believe that it was Michelle that introduce him to the liberal politics there in Chicago........wasn't it her that brought him into Trinity?..........that was her childhood church was it not?..............I do not believe for one second that Obama believes like the Rev. Wright nor do I believe that he thinks what Ayers did was the right thing to do I personally just think that because he didn't believe in what they were about it just didn't concern him.........he was driven to get into the state senate and in a way needed those people.......whether any one likes it or not it was people like Wright that had a huge amount of influence with people in the south side of Chicago.........of course I may be wrong but I think because Obama didn't really believe in their own radicalizm he just went about his business of being a community organizer trying to improve the public school system that he never really considered Wright and Ayers to be liabilities.............of course this is just my opinion and I think McCain is making a mistake about even talking about it............there are other things I think that most Americans are concerned about and it is not Wright or Ayers...........Shokk
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Shokk,
I did a lot of research into the New Party (1992-1998 and the Fusion of electoral ballots, etc.) and the Ayers/Wright/ACORN connections to Obama. I believe what you are writing is correct. He started his connection with these groups with the New Party, who promised funding if he would sign a contract. His response was basically ... Sure, I'll sign whatever. He needed the funding to get moving politically. His passion was education, building America from within, being active in the community and helping the poor in Chicago. His connection to Ayers is no doubt based on education reform. Remember .. .back in or around 1992 he was maybe in his late 20's or about 30 years old.
There is an obvious chronology to his evolution to where he is today. And it's not based on terrorism or socialism. It's based on his passion of change to improve America from within. He worked with what was available in the Chicago political system to advance his cause of education change and reform in Chicago.
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Nana Jean- Great story.
shokk- that's why I love you and respect your decision. You don't support Obama because of his policies and you came about that through your philosophical reasons. My hard feelings against Palin mostly stem from her style of campaigning and that she wasn't chosen because she was the best person to step into the presidency should something happen to McCain. I don't even think she's qualified to step in for him should need be. I am atheist and I dislike her social policies. I also dislike her speaking about all god's children etc. during policy speeches, save that for church, not so much because I do not believe, but her idea of god isn't the same as all americans. While the majority of folks are some form of christian, there are Jews, Muslims, Shintos, Wiccans etc. and to me that's disrespectful to those who believe differently than she does. I don't care what she does in her church, as long as it's not gay bashing or trying to shame gays out of their genetic sexual disposition. I think her style of campaigning is mean and divisive. As for McCain, I think he's probably a much better man than his campaign has shown. I think he's a man who's temporarily lost his moral compass regarding the campaign tactics and that he's torn between being true to himself and trying to win. I think he sees himself as his motto "country first" but that the decisions he has made regarding his campaign has made don't always reflect that. I believe if he was truly country first he would say, as he did when the woman said Obama was an arab, that Obama is a good, family man, but they disagree on philosophy. I respected that, although I wasn't ready to throw him a ticker tape parade because that's what he should do. I think Obama has done a pretty good job of running against McCain's ideas, and not McCain the person. Whatever happens on Nov 5th, country first is letting people know that we, as a country, will be ok, even if our candidate doesn't prevail. I saw that in McCain that day when he took the microphone from the woman who believed Obama to be arab. I wish both McCain and Obama would say, "Obama's not muslim, but if he were we need not fear, there's nothing wrong with being muslim." I appreciate your contribution shokk.
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Calico, I think the easiest way to get a sign is at an Obama campaign center in your area. If you go to his website, they have listings of all their local centers. I'm sure they have a lot in CO, since it's a battleground state.
shokk, you're right about Wright and Ayers. By the time Obama met Ayers he was a well-regarded professor of education at Chicago U. He and Obama live in Hyde Park and their paths cross from time to time. In the mid-1990s Obama and Ayers served together on the board of a nonprofit sponsored by the prestigious Annenberg Foundation, along with some other bigwigs in education. Ayers hosted one of many fundraisers for Obama's first state senate run (at the Ramada Inn, not his living room) and donated $200 to one of Obama's re-election campaigns. They served together on a second poverty-fighting foundation in the late 1990s, early 2000s. He hasn't been involved in Obama's presidential run, hasn't contributed, isn't an adviser, and has no influence over Obama. Point is, if Ayers is a "terrorist," why was he asked to be on these boards? Why does he keep winning teaching awards? If he was OK for the conservative Annenberg, why would Obama have had any reason to reject him? It's really a tempest in a very small teapot, especially considering all the dubious folks McCain has had dealings with over the decades. Wouldn't you think that if there were anything more about Ayers and Obama's relationship, the GOP would have revealed it? That's why I think it's so obnoxious that McCain keeps bringing it up and demanding that Obama "come clean." I suppose he hopes that if he implies Obama has a secret, people will believe he does. Problem is, it's not working.
So, Henry Waxman (my hero) gets Greenspan and his compatriots to admit their free market, deregulation philosophy was flawed. And to say that Fannie and Freddie were only one component in the collapse.
Just read that Obama thinks his grandmother won't make it to the election. So sad. But at least he's getting a chance to be with her now.
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LAP- maybe she'll pull through. With a broken hip things can go either way. I'm thinking all kinds of positive thoughts for her. I know it would mean so much if she could see Barack take the oath of office (and to him too).
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Amy, I think Palin is Machevellian in her ambition, but Bush-like in her intellect. She really dominated that interview with Williams. I wonder if McCain picked her because he thought, as a younger woman, she would stay happily in his shadow. If so, boy was he wrong!
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There's only the sheep out there that are NOT backing Barack. This is an awesome time!!! We are so close now!!!!!! Did anyone see SNL last night? Look's like I'm not the only one who thinks that the side kick is a "poser." I just laugh now when someone try's to defend either one of them. I don't care. It's not worth the effort as they are not going in the White House anyway. In fact, there is a Republican commercial out, I can't remember what state, that they pretty much admit defeat in the Presidential race already and they are lobbying to keep some of the Republicans in senate. As I said, I voted all the way to the left..."no Republican left behind."
GO OBAMA '08....It's almost here!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! :-)
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Amy...I have to comment on your post about the side kick and her religious talk. I have alot of issues with that too! Isn't there suppose to be a seperation between church and state?? Otherwise those churches better start paying off some tax dollars!! And who is she to say what god, if any, I or you, or the rest of us believe in? I can tell you for fact I do not believe in a god that is as hypocrital as she portrays hers to be. Isn't she in Troopergate today? The mixing of church and state should not be on any level. Keep your religion to your self and other like minded. But don't force the rest of us to go along with beliefes we don't have. That was the Roman era..this is 2008. Change is coming!!!!!!!!!!!! :-)
OBAMA '08......it's almost here!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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My only thought about Palin at this point is this--don't underestimate her and the Rovian machine that backs her. She is a very ambitous woman, politically, and has been for years. She is positioning herself for big-time DC politics. She doesn't seem to care what she knows, or doesn't know that she doesn't know (shich is mroe dangerous!)
Who among us thought W was really going to win, not once but twice? We on the left never took his campaigns and base seriously enough. The same can happen with Palin, unless the republicans decide they want a different image and a different direction for their party.
I got to see the inauguration/parade for Jimmy Carter. He was the first president I voted for. Seeing him and Roslyn walk up the street was thrilling, but seeing Hubert Humphrey was even better. I would dearly love to see Obama's ceremony in person!
Anne
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Little-G, it was Eliz. Dole who was running that ad in NC. I guess she would know a losing presidential campaign when she sees one. Personally I think the Dems will benefit from having strong, intelligent conservatives in Congress. Any party needs checks and balance.
Anne, I agree that Palin's ambitions should not be underestimated. The question is, will her timing be off? Right now, the country has little desire for her divisive, anti-intellectual style of politics. That part of the GOP, the "base," has been marginalized by events and by Bush's incompetence. Maybe in 4 years enough people will have forgotten about this decade and will embrace the religious right again. Or maybe Palin will reinvent herself sufficiently to have a broader appeal. Stranger things have happened!
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Associated Press: Police: McCain volunteer made up robbery story
Wow.....do we need any more proof about the people that support this ticket? I am so disgusted with all of this. I wonder if she goes to church on Sunday too? Sorry...but this is enough of this crap.
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Yeah, I just read that fake robbery story. You know what struck me the most about it, as far as being an extension of the whole McCain campaign ethos goes . . . how badly she executed the hoax. I mean, it didn't even occur to her that someone attacking her from above wouldn't carve an initial on her cheek backwards! Or that the ATM records would be easy to search. She obviously took some time planning it; she just didn't do a very smart job of it. That's the McCain campaign all over. Deceptive, race-baiting and bumbling.
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Anne W., I wouldn't worry too much about Palin and her future endeavors. I think the democratic party will be going after her big-time, once this is all over. I sort of feel sorry for her--I think they are going to make her life miserable.I am getting SO excited for this election to be done and for Obama to be elected. It's really exciting here in Oregon---we are a VERY blue state. There are signs and bumper stickers EVERYWHERE!GO OBAMA!!!!!!!!!!!!
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A little clarification about Palin and the clothes thing.
The money for her clothes came from the RNC, not the McCain campaign. Two different organizations, two different sets of rules for each funding organization. The rules from the RNC state the organization can give the money to whoever for whatever they choose. Different set of rules for the McCain campaign. If Palin does decide to donate those clothes, she opens herself to all kinds of tax liabilities. She'd be smart to just shut up about it, say thanks RNC for the great wardrobe for my family and move on.
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OMG .. say it aint' so! I'm afraid to look at the link.
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That IS funny stuff!!!!!!!!!!! What the hell?????????? Even she has given up on the thought!! Right on!
OBAMA '08...it's almost here!!!!!!!!!
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bin- I knew money for the clothing came from the rnc- but the rnc gets their money from donors too so I don't see a difference.
g- there is supposed to be separation between church and state, but there are people who want there to be no separation. Remember when Mike Huckabee said he's like to change the constitution to be more like the ten commandments? What a crock. If it were up to me, they'd take god out of the pledge of allegiance, the way it was 50 years ago before the "red scare". I don't think many people know the reason god was added was fears of russia/communism-- prejudice. Take it off the money, leave it for the churches. The religious right will remind us that the constitution doesn't say separation from church- but it should.
LAP- I agree with you about Palin and her ambitions. She's already trying to separate herself from Mccain. Her "policy" speech was pure pander. She talked about parents with special needs kids sending them to any school public or private with vouchers? Who's supposed to pay for that? Does she have any idea how much private schools cost? Bush already mandating without funding and it didn't work.
That image is funny--- this time the elephant in the room is.... Sarah Palin.
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Boy you all had some great conversations today. But my mind is too tired tonight. Just glad to be home and that the week-end is here. I miss seeing Obama at rallies. I know he is visiting his grandmother - but I haven't seen much on televsion about Obama or Biden.
The picture of Palin with that scarf is just too funny.
Nicki
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Madalyn
Thanks for th ebest laugh I've had in a couple days.
Cherryl
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Thought I'd come to friendly like-minded territory and share a sad, but true story from my own neighborhood.
Some background that many of you know, but for those who don't know - my parents live with me in the northern part of the Dallas area. My 74 yr-old dad takes care of the house, my mom takes care of him (and me, and the fur babies) and I travel extensively for my job.
Anyway, this is big time Republican territory - tons of McCain-Palin signs around the neighborhood. I ordered an Obama-Biden yard sign and got it last week ($8 from Obama's website). When I came home from the airport last night, I asked my dad if he had the guts to put it in the yard. He said, 'no' in no uncertain terms.
Then, he shared this sad tale. Earlier this week, he was outside talking to the other neighborhood guys, and the subject of Colin Powell's endorsement came up. That's when "Jim", another retiree, said, "I don't care what he thinks - he's just another N-----r!"
My father just turned around and walked away. But he seriously fears for our safety, not so much his, but mine and my mother's, from such a$$holes who live within 50 yards of us and no doubt have guns. We don't live in the hills of Western Pennsylvania, or in a trailer park in Alabama - this is growing part of Dallas, with a major University just a few miles away. But outright racism is alive and well and blatant.
But today when I came home from a workshop, I was not surprised to see the sign was in the yard. I knew my Dad would put it out for at least an afternoon. Of course, one of the other neighbors, "Scott", came over and, in good fun, said he had reported us to the Homeowner's association. He also praised my dad for walking away from "Jim" the other day. "Scott" said he was offended, but kept his mouth shut and continued to converse with "Jim".
So, after a few awkward laughs, we indeed brought the sign back into the house.
And, by the way, these people all go to church every Sunday (churches in Dallas rival the size of some college campuses - I kid you not) and are self proclaimed "good christian people".
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