Positive Obama thread
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A small group of people (six) who were polled afterwards were asked if Palin hurt McCain's chances and all six said yes. I think that says it all.
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i am still scratching my head on that "'health' of the mother" remark of mccains also...
he looked crazed ...and then to go on to say,
it had "been stretched by the pro-abortion movement in America to mean almost anything'"
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Oh Ladies....what a debate it was!! Joe the plumber...are you kidding me???? Hello ..the rest of the US is out here! What about us ???? I hate to call names but I have to say, what a dick the troll is! It was ridiculous! IMHO Obama rocked this!!! You could hear the troll huffing and puffing while our Barack was talking. I think he really fell apart when Barack mentioned the trolls running mates conventions and how his sheep yelled out "kill him." That was the end for the angry troll. i first thought Barack should have slammed hockey mom, but after giving it thought he did the right thing by not giving her to much recognition or mentioning her name. It was perfect! Again, bring out the bucket because the troll is going down in flames !!!!!!
OBAMA '08..it REALLY IS ALMOST HERE!!!!!!!
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Laura...he has no idea of how many women he pissed off by saying Palin was a role model to women!!!! Really???? Who the hell are they?? Not with any that have any brain cells!!!
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It's four for four, no contest! Obama was his usual collected, straightforward self, and McCain was his usual angry, not-quite-with-it self. Yes, the air quotes "health of the woman" comment was particularly snarky. Joe the Plumber was tiresome (time to retire the name "Joe" from all political discussions). And I thought he sounded pathetic repeatedly demanding a repudiation of the Lewis statement. Reminded me of the story he tells about being a kid and holding his breath until he turned blue to get his way. And he's still bringing up the town hall crap as an excuse for his negative campaigning. Get some new material already, Senator. Do you think he meant to say "cosmetic surgery and implants" instead of "transplants" when he was talking about the Cadillac health plans? I hope he doesn't think transplants are some kind of luxury item.
I thought Obama played it smart not talking too much about Palin. What bad thing could he say that isn't already obvious? I do wish Obama had responded to McCain's outrageous comment that ACORN is single-handedly destroying democracy for all time. My God, talk about over-the-top rhetoric. It might have been fun to see McCain's face if Obama had mentioned the fact that just 2 years ago, McCain was praising ACORN as a shining example of democracy in action. But that was before he sold his soul to the right-wing devil.
One thing I learned from these debates, for sure, is that the CNN "analysts" know nothing. Every time they seem to be watching a different debate than the one the voters are watching. I think they're trying just a little too hard to make this thing seem like a contest.
I was wearing my Obama shirt too! I got the Got Hope? one. I almost bought a "Bark Obama" shirt for my dog.
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SORRY, DAD, I'M VOTING FOR OBAMA
by Christopher Buckley
The son of William F. Buckley has decided—shock!—to vote for a Democrat.
October 14, 2008
Let me be the latest conservative/libertarian/whatever to leap onto the Barack Obama bandwagon. It’s a good thing my dear old mum and pup are no longer alive. They’d cut off my allowance.
Or would they? But let’s get that part out of the way. The only reason my vote would be of any interest to anyone is that my last name happens to be Buckley—a name I inherited. So in the event anyone notices or cares, the headline will be: “William F. Buckley’s Son Says He Is Pro-Obama.” I know, I know: It lacks the throw-weight of “Ron Reagan Jr. to Address Democratic Convention,” but it’ll have to do.
Dear Pup once said to me, “You know, I’ve spent my entire life time separating the Right from the kooks.”
I am—drum roll, please, cue trumpets—making this announcement in the cyberpages of The Daily Beast (what joy to be writing for a publication so named!) rather than in the pages of National Review, where I write the back-page column. For a reason: My colleague, the superb and very dishy Kathleen Parker, recently wrote in National Review Online a column stating what John Cleese as Basil Fawlty would call “the bleeding obvious”: namely, that Sarah Palin is an embarrassment, and a dangerous one at that. She’s not exactly alone. New York Times columnist David Brooks, who began his career at NR, just called Governor Palin “a cancer on the Republican Party.”
As for Kathleen, she has to date received 12,000 (quite literally) foam-at-the-mouth hate-emails. One correspondent, if that’s quite the right word, suggested that Kathleen’s mother should have aborted her and tossed the fetus into a Dumpster. There’s Socratic dialogue for you. Dear Pup once said to me sighfully after a right-winger who fancied himself a WFB protégé had said something transcendently and provocatively cretinous, “You know, I’ve spent my entire life time separating the Right from the kooks.” Well, the dear man did his best. At any rate, I don’t have the kidney at the moment for 12,000 emails saying how good it is he’s no longer alive to see his Judas of a son endorse for the presidency a covert Muslim who pals around with the Weather Underground. So, you’re reading it here first.
As to the particulars, assuming anyone gives a fig, here goes:
I have known John McCain personally since 1982. I wrote a well-received speech for him. Earlier this year, I wrote in The New York Times—I’m beginning to sound like Paul Krugman, who cannot begin a column without saying, “As I warned the world in my last column...”—a highly favorable Op-Ed about McCain, taking Rush Limbaugh and the others in the Right Wing Sanhedrin to task for going after McCain for being insufficiently conservative. I don’t—still—doubt that McCain’s instincts remain fundamentally conservative. But the problem is otherwise.
McCain rose to power on his personality and biography. He was authentic. He spoke truth to power. He told the media they were “jerks” (a sure sign of authenticity, to say nothing of good taste; we are jerks). He was real. He was unconventional. He embraced former anti-war leaders. He brought resolution to the awful missing-POW business. He brought about normalization with Vietnam—his former torturers! Yes, he erred in accepting plane rides and vacations from Charles Keating, but then, having been cleared on technicalities, groveled in apology before the nation. He told me across a lunch table, “The Keating business was much worse than my five and a half years in Hanoi, because I at least walked away from that with my honor.” Your heart went out to the guy. I thought at the time, God, this guy should be president someday.
A year ago, when everyone, including the man I’m about to endorse, was caterwauling to get out of Iraq on the next available flight, John McCain, practically alone, said no, no—bad move. Surge. It seemed a suicidal position to take, an act of political bravery of the kind you don’t see a whole lot of anymore.
But that was—sigh—then. John McCain has changed. He said, famously, apropos the Republican debacle post-1994, “We came to Washington to change it, and Washington changed us.” This campaign has changed John McCain. It has made him inauthentic. A once-first class temperament has become irascible and snarly; his positions change, and lack coherence; he makes unrealistic promises, such as balancing the federal budget “by the end of my first term.” Who, really, believes that? Then there was the self-dramatizing and feckless suspension of his campaign over the financial crisis. His ninth-inning attack ads are mean-spirited and pointless. And finally, not to belabor it, there was the Palin nomination. What on earth can he have been thinking?
All this is genuinely saddening, and for the country is perhaps even tragic, for America ought, really, to be governed by men like John McCain—who have spent their entire lives in its service, even willing to give the last full measure of their devotion to it. If he goes out losing ugly, it will be beyond tragic, graffiti on a marble bust.
As for Senator Obama: He has exhibited throughout a “first-class temperament,” pace Oliver Wendell Holmes, Jr.’s famous comment about FDR. As for his intellect, well, he’s a Harvard man, though that’s sure as heck no guarantee of anything, these days. Vietnam was brought to you by Harvard and (one or two) Yale men. As for our current adventure in Mesopotamia, consider this lustrous alumni roster. Bush 43: Yale. Rumsfeld: Princeton. Paul Bremer: Yale and Harvard. What do they all have in common? Andover! The best and the brightest.
I’ve read Obama’s books, and they are first-rate. He is that rara avis, the politician who writes his own books. Imagine. He is also a lefty. I am not. I am a small-government conservative who clings tenaciously and old-fashionedly to the idea that one ought to have balanced budgets. On abortion, gay marriage, et al, I’m libertarian. I believe with my sage and epigrammatic friend P.J. O’Rourke that a government big enough to give you everything you want is also big enough to take it all away.
But having a first-class temperament and a first-class intellect, President Obama will (I pray, secularly) surely understand that traditional left-politics aren’t going to get us out of this pit we’ve dug for ourselves. If he raises taxes and throws up tariff walls and opens the coffers of the DNC to bribe-money from the special interest groups against whom he has (somewhat disingenuously) railed during the campaign trail, then he will almost certainly reap a whirlwind that will make Katrina look like a balmy summer zephyr.
Obama has in him—I think, despite his sometimes airy-fairy “We are the people we have been waiting for” silly rhetoric—the potential to be a good, perhaps even great leader. He is, it seems clear enough, what the historical moment seems to be calling for.
So, I wish him all the best. We are all in this together. Necessity is the mother of bipartisanship. And so, for the first time in my life, I’ll be pulling the Democratic lever in November. As the saying goes, God save the United States of America.
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I want an Obama shirt lol.
I woke up late this morning but had to pop in. I think a big part of that debate wasnt what was said, it was body language. Obama once again the gentleman, and McCain once again the crazed and angry old man. I found his aggressive remarks soooooo offending. And his constant interruptions with one liners!
Have a great day. I can't wait to get home and watch all the follow up to the debate.
Nick
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Old is as old does. For some 72 year olds, they don't think. act or seem old, for others like McCain, they do. By societal standards, 72 is old. Retirement. Social Security. Senior Citizens discounts at stores. Free bus fares. Even though people are living longer due to better medicine, that doesn't change the fact that american society considers retirement as a line people cross to their older years. There are lots of young 72, some 82 year olds, McCain isn't one of them, in my opinion. There are old looking/acting/thinking 62 year olds.
I'd also love to know what types of private insurance one can get for $5700, what it covers, the deductibles and copays. McCain and his heiress wife have never had to deal with anything remotely concered with prioritizing food and medication, declaring bankrupcy due to a catastrophic illness etc. McCain's plan is a joke. He doesn't realize that deregulating what health insurance can and cannot cover is a recipe for disaster for everyone but the insurance companies. Allowing people to be able to go anywhere in the country may sound good, but in reality it creates safe havens for companies to put up stakes in states where there are few regulations, so if you can buy insurance for $5000 if you don't want preventative care, tests like mammograms and cancer screening, if you have a preexisting condition, if you develop an illness and become too expensive to insure, if you need a dr appts sooner rather than later. McCain is out of touch, not because he's old, but because he's a billionaire. Bottom line is that John McCain doesn't think the taxpayers who pay his salary and for his health insurance don't deserve the same insurance he does.
I had to laugh with the almost crocodile tears about his feelings being hurt by what he misinterpretted from the John Lewis statement. Poor me. Once again John McCain appeared angry, aggressive and like an unkind man. Obama was presidential and I think on November 5th Obama will be the presidential incumbant president and John McCain will be an angry man, wondering how he allowed himself to lose his soul during the campaign. I think McCain's legacy would have been better served by not being the republican candidate.
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Hi ladies: Just thought I'd weigh in here. I watched the debate and to me, JM appeared as an angry 5 year old. I was totally turned off by his condescending attitude, the smirks and the little snide comments when BO was stating his case.
I was actually embarrassed for JM. If I had to hear about Sarah Palin and her commitment to children with Autism (I believe her child has Down's Syndrome) one more time I was going to scream. It was clearly disingenous to me.
How about McCain speaking directly to "Joe the Plumber"?
Get your flags ready ladies, we're almost there!
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How about McCain speaking directly to "Joe the Plumber"?
you mean joe, an unregistered voter, an unregistered plumber with a tap-dancing reference to Obama. who doesn't make 250k but doesn't want people that do to pay more taxes?
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john mccain is the oldest candidate to run for president, ever.
his age is very much on the minds of americans.
but "a woman's health" in finger quotes?
"just an excuse" offered by "pro-abortion" groups? "extremists"?
i am glad that old man johnny let us know how he really felt.
thanks but no thanks!
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little g - palin is a role model for all women, uhhh i don't think so, violating ethics codes and the public trust is hardly role model material.
i like what obama said about her:
she's a capable politician who has, I think, excited the - a base in the Republican Party.
that about sums up sarah to me.
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Laura....I fully agree with Barack's statement to the troll's running mate. It was actually genius! And having a troll as president ... yes..Thanks but no thanks!
Again, no concrete plan's from the trolls side. All he say's is that he can do it but not how he is able to. And his health plan is very scary indeed!! I pay almost $800/mth for 4 of us, but I try not to use it because of the deductible. It will just end up causing me more bills which I am still paying off from when I was originally dx! How about talking about the real people out here and forget Joe the Plumber and Joe Six Pack! What planet are these people from ? Laura..where did you find out the information on Joe plumber..because that's good stuff!
OBAMA '08..it REALLY is ALMOST HERE!!!
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I didn't get to watch the after shows much because my phone kept ringing but I think this last debate was McCains last nail in the coffin to his presidential bid. He was worse than a child trying to get the last word in even when they told him he was over time. The more he talked the more a fool he looked. I hope his campaign advisors read this stuff on how badly they advised him because the day will come when Obama is president and McCain will still be a senator that must answer to Obama that will be the ultimate pleasure
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Yeah, the conservatives are jumping ship like crazy . . . at least the intelligent ones are.
McCain's $5,000 tax credit is for a family. Individuals only get $2,500. McCain compared the average premium for an individual to the tax credit for a family. Even if you believe that an individual can get any kind of coverage for $5,800, the $2,500 tax credit would cover less than half the cost. And what about pre-existing conditions? McCain never addresses that issue. I have a friend who got laid off her job, is over 50 but in great health, but was denied individual coverage because years ago she took Prozac for a few months, at her doctor's order, when she was dealing with her mother's terminal illness. So she has no health insurance. If she can't get health insurance, what would be our fate? This has to change!
On a happier note, here are some lovely pics of the Obamas, the next residents of the White House:
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/10/16/the-obamas-greatest-famil_n_132339.html
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Laura, great video. Obama has been expressing these sentiments for years. That speech is who he is. He's the real deal. And I can't wait to cast my vote!
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What did you think about McCain's "health" of the woman comments? Talk about not getting it. McCain really does seem to disdain women and i think he only picked Palin because he knew she wasn't the brightest bulb on the xmas tree and he could try to keep her in "her place".
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McCain and his campaign don't get women at all, that's obvious. If he wanted to make the argument that pro-choice people use too broad a definition of "health of the mother" in defending partial-birth abortion, he should have prefaced it by acknowledging that sacrificing the mother's life to save the fetus is a morally complex and difficult issue. Instead he just disdained the whole notion of a moral dilemma with his air quotes. Bad move.
Saying that Palin is a role model for women is a joke. Palin isn't a role model for anything but unenlightened ambition. She doesn't know what she doesn't know and won't admit mistakes. Gee, where have we seen that attitude before?
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Palin may be a role model for the dim witted but she's no role model for women and girls. I don't know many honorable women who want to get to the top simply because they're women even if unqualified. That sets feminism back a few giant steps. Feminists want to be considered equally for any position, not more so because of gender because that is a step back, not forward for equality.
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The "women's health" comment, combined with JM's grimacing, gritted teeth delivery of it, speaks VOLUMES about what he really thinks about women.
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donna - the finger quoted 'women's health" comment as "just and excuse" offered by "pro-abortion" groups absolutely floored me.
to return to times of women dying in childbirth, is absolutely not acceptable for my daughters. of course, i hope this never comes to be an issue for them or any woman. anybody who knows a mother who died in childbirth or surviving children who grew up motherless, knows the pain of this loss never goes away.
seems we are not alone...watch the cnn meter on mccain's comments:
McCain Mock Women's "HEALTH"
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Where is Palin? did she make too many mistakes, so they are putting her in Cheney's bunker until the election is over? Haven't seen her in almost 24 hrs. Maybe they are putting her back inthe classroom, since she failed Republican Politics 101. Hee, hee.
I felt really sorry for McCain last night. I mean real pity. It just seemed he was out of his league. He was really, really pathetic. He couldn't even answer the questions, and when he did, he seemed to have these negative talking points he wanted to insert in his answers, that just confused what he was saying. And some of the answers weren't even complete sentences, it was like he was reading a marketing list! He has made so many mistakes in this campaign that I'm surprised he hasn't fired his second batch of advisors and gotten new ones. Maybe there is no one left? If I were him, I'd be totally depressed and embarrassed. He can't even keep his VP in line when she does show up somewhere.
Palin is no role model for any of the women I know. In fact, those Republican women I know, and some Independent voters are marking their ballots for Obama.
McCain is too condescending towards women, and too angry to work across the aisles in my opinion. I just don't see him bringing all of us together. He has spend this campaign dividing this country rather than encouraging unity. He seems to have listened to advisors rather than who he is--I think he has taken on a role his advisors have told him he must be to win the election. Unfortunately, I believe he will lose because of his listening to others!
I did not watch any of the media comments after the debate. I had decided to listen carefully to each candidate, and try to put myself on one side and then the other. I wanted to step back and really hear what they had to say. McCain's body language, interrupting Obama, and answering the questions or respondingto Obama's challenges like he was teaching 4th graders (and didn't really like being a teacher) made it really hard for me to concentrate on any substance to his answers. Most of the answers did not add up to my liberal, feminist leanings; and so I thought Obama did an amazing job. He was calm, cool, collected and his answers gave me direct information on how he would conduct himself as President of this great nation.
I wrote something about his on the other thread. I can truly say that Obama is who I am voting for. It came down to who would make the better president and actually work to improve our reputation around the world, and who could damage it even more. Even if, heaven forbid, something would happen to either one, I could not vote for a man who put a woman in place because she is a pit bull w/lipstick and a role model for all women. She is not presidential material in my opinion!
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Mad- I don't think the McCain campaign knows the meaning of the word vetting. Joe the plumber is going to be sorry he ever agreed to give interviews, seems he doesn't believe in social security or taxes and owes quite a bit of back taxes too. I bet 99% of Joe the plumbers are voting Obama, if they care about their economic futures.
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"Joe the Plumber" isn't really a plumber.
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Since JM obviously lost any Independent or Pro-Choice women last night with his "health of the mother" sneer of disgust, I have an idea [gimmick] for JM to "re-energize" his base: send Palin packing and tap "Joe the [lying] Plumber" to run as VP. If he can't get Independent women, might as well try to pull the lying, racist, tax-evading, anti-union bald white dudes!
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Thanks Denisa!
DJD- I haven't laughed so hard in a while. Talk abiout anti American (if McCain is going to use that phrase).
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Amy - glad I made you chuckle :-)
I'm glad that Obama is cautioning his supporters not to use the "L" word (LANDSLIDE!!) so that we don't get complacent and fail to vote. But I don't think there is anything to worry about. BO's supporters are energized and we will be at the polls on November 4th!
If anybody is going to say, "why bother?" it's going to be the racist Democrats in rural areas of Pennsylvania, Indiana, Kentucky, who will never vote Republican, but can't bring themselves to vote for an African American. But we never had them to begin with...
So, let's start planning our Election night festivities. We should definitely have an Election night thread, don't you think?
And what about Wednesday - how should America celebrate a new beginning? I like the flag idea - I think I will get the flag I was given at my grandpa's funeral (he was a WWII veteran) out of the cedar chest and hang it high.
Any other ideas? I want to celebrate in the streets!
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It gets better . . . Joe the Plumber said he was an Independent, but he's a registered Republican. His last name was misspelled on his registration and he's never bothered to correct it (voter fraud??). He incorrectly stated that the plumbing business he works for makes over $250,000 in profits. It doesn't. Lastly (and this is the weirdest and funniest part), he is related to Charles Keating's son-in-law! What are the chances? So, yes, he has all the qualifications necessary to be McCain's VP.
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ok, I need help. A couple days ago I found a listing that showed that Old Cranky Butt, aka John McCain, got an award or honorable mention from ACORN a couple years ago. Now I can't find it. Does anyone know about this? I want to post this on the repub thread to shut them up about ACORN and Obama's involvement. It is a legitamate eorganization and is being trashed by them because they help the poor and minorities.What else is new.
Cherryl
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