Positive Obama thread
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The McCain/Palin ticket is the first in American history in which both candidates were found to have violated ethics standards before a national election.
The word maverick takes on a whole new meaning? Reform? Reform????
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Little G - all day today, thoughts of strength going your way. Now here is a big
{{{Hug}}}
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OMG LA Phoenix, I am ROFLMAO about the train pictures!!!!!! I needed a laugh after the increasingly divisive politics of these last few days. I am just so sad about the state of this great country. People have just gotten plain crazy lately. The vitrol has gotten out of control. We ALL know Obama is NOT a Muslim. And even if he was, that does NOT make him a bad person. I teach several piano students who are Muslim. They, and their parents are some of the most decent, caring human beings I have a pleasure of knowing. I weep for our nation right now. Some people are living in a state of constant fear and pointing fingers at anyone who happens to be different. May I point out that we are all "different" unless we happen to be Native Americans? For god's sake, can't we just all get along and celebrate our diversity? I am seriously depressed. Sorry---I know I am supposed to be on the "positive" Obama thread!!!!
Hugs and Hope, Anne
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Anne- I despise all the anti Muslim sentiment coming from the McCain camp. Did (some) americans learn nothing from the civil rights movement? Why is it ok to hate muslims? I blame the Bush administration, in part for their constant use of the phrase "islamic terrorists"-- can't we just be against terrorists before using an ethnicity? When Timothy McVeigh bombed the federal building in Oklahoma city he was part of a fringe "christian" white supremacy group- yet did we declare war against them? No, we saw him as an isolated kook. Why not the same regard for the bombers of 9/11, I believe the repeated use of the term "islamic terrorists" has engrained fear and hatred of that group.
LAP- I agree with you about McCain possibly being contrite, although I don't think in his heart he is what I would call a "nice person". I definitely don't think Palin is. For the life of me, I can't understand how someone could love the negative campaigning she's been doing and thrive from it. That's thriving on being mean and divisive. I know Obama and Biden are good men. After two awfully mean men, Bush and Cheney, it's time to restore human decency to the white house.
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I read the news today! A young muslim girl was attacked and beaten up pretty bad on the campus of Elmhurst College here in suburban Chicagoland. Instead of standing together while we are in a crisis in our country...we have become divided. I cant help but think that this anger has been unleashed by McCain and Palin....now trickling down to innocent people.
Nicki
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O4P,
You say that you don't think that John McCain is a nice person in his heart. Do you remember Jimmy Carter? He is a wonderful, great, good, very nice man, and makes a fine elder statesman, but he was a LOUSY President! Do you remember "stagflation" and the Iranian Hostage Crisis? Niceness is not a job requirement for the Presidency, in fact it can be a hinderance.
John Lewis's statements are at least as incindiary as anything that has come out of the McCain Palin camp. That every member of congress has not called for an apology is telling.
Your candidate demands an apology anytime he is called by his full given name. He is obviously not yet comfortable in his own skin.
The true sadness is that given a few more years of experience, I think that he could have made an outstanding President, but since he was pushed to run before he was ready, if he wins, the country will get a mediocre President at best. If he loses, he probably won't be able to run again when he may be in a position to do a better job.
I also worry about the role that the Rev Al Sharpton would play in a Obama Administration.
Most people in this country want change from the status quo, but is this the change we want?
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Pat I remember the Carter administration well and the hostages etc. Did you ever hear the phrase "you can get more flies with honey than vinegar"-- McCain not being a nice man will effect his ability to negotiate with foreign entities. Obama is calm, cool and respectful. McCain is a hot head who speaks before he thinks.
I also worry about the role that the Rev Al Sharpton would play in a Obama Administration.
I cannot believe you're worried about Al Sharpton-- do you realize what a racist remark that is? That type of sentiment fuels the racial unrest the McCain campaign is trying to perpetuate. What's really sad is that you probably don't even realize that worrying about Al Sharpton is residual, covert prejudice. Just because Al Sharpton is a black activist and Obama is a black candidate for president doesn't mean that they have some sort of subversive ties and plans to turn the white house into a crib with rap music blaring so loud it bothers the neighbors. I'm really saddened by your comments. Most of Obama's advisors and high level campaign staff are white so I really have no idea why you jumped to that fear.
I am not saying that you are prejudiced, just that the comment was, because for every black person you could be afraid that Obama might be close to I could name whites older fellows to fear from McCain.
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Nic, please don't tell me that the young girl was attacked by college students. That's such a sad story, do you know if it was racially motivated?
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Go Garrison! He summed it up nicely. After reading the Troopergate report, a Time magazine reporter described the Palin governorship as "amateurish." Apparently Palin has Monegan to thank for not getting herself into more trouble as he was the one who warned her not to get directly involved in the Wooten business. So McCain nominates as VP not only someone who is inexperienced and not too bright, but one whose small administration is amateurish by the usual standards.
PatMom, you're worried about Al Sharpton after the goons and neophytes that the Bush administration foisted on us? Do you think Obama is going to put every famous black person into his administration just because they're black? Has Obama said anything about putting Al Sharpton into his administration? Have you forgotten that he and Sharpton clashed earlier this year? They don't really like each other all that much, so where is this fear coming from? Fox News? Have you looked at who advises Obama and runs his campaign? They're mostly white folks. And to answer your last question . . . based on the polls, yes, THIS IS THE CHANGE WE WANT!
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LAP we must have been posting at the same time. Maybe the amateurish governorship of Palin is part of those small town values she touts so highly. Alaska is smaller in population than most of the major US cities. She blurred the boundaries between personal and professional in going after the ex-bro-in-law and allowing the first Dude involved, including adding his email address to official government business. In small towns often times everyone knows everything that's going on and people are sometimes in each other's business.
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denisa,
Thanks for sharing the Garrison Keller piece! I love him and was coincidentally listening to Prairie Home Companion while I read your post. I agree with everything he said.
patmom -
When has Barack Obama EVER demanded an apology for someone using his middle name? Never. People like me may complain or call it out. But it's not because we have a problem with the name. It's because it is being written by those on the right with "quotes" around the middle name, or spoken in a "oh so scary" way by people intent to play on the fear and prey on the ignorance of those in our society who are too un-informed to know that not only is Barack Hussein Obama not an Arab, nor is he a Muslim, but aren't even ready to except that being an Arab or Muslim is not a crime.
I work with plenty of Muslims - they are people with a religion, just like Christians. "Muslim" does NOT equal "terrorist".
The comment about Al Sharpton, well that's just idiotic on every level. He and Obama are rarely together, but I can't imagine what you are afraid of Al for - I get a kick out of him. Sometimes he's a little outrageous, but he's harmless. I equate him with Pat Buchanan.
My question for the days is, why does the right wing HATE tolerance??
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O4P,
I worry about someone giving Al Sharpton a position of power in the administration...not about the musical selections that that might be played at the White House. Most of those "older white fellows" you might worry about already have positions of power if they want them. Al Sharpton has made it clear for many years that he has ambitions, and I just worry that Obama might be pressured to help him acheive some of those ambitions.
LAphoenix asked "Has Obama said anything about putting Al Sharpton into his administration?" That's the thing, he hasn't said that he wouldn't put Sharpton or someone else who shares Sharpton's views into powerful positions in an Obama Administration. No one really knows.
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Why should Obama have to say he wouldn't put Sharpton in the White House? This comment would only be made about a black person. Did anyone ask McCain if he would put Phil Graham who called the economic crisis a "nation of whiners" in the administration?
Which of Reverend Sharpton's views are you so offended by? The positive things Sharpton has done for not just blacks, but also poor people? His penacostal roots or baptist ministry? His civil rights work? Sure he's made some imperfect statements, but his good works have far exceeded any of his words which have been taken out of context.
Do I agree with everything Sharpton says and does? No, but I always respect his willingness to fight for what he believes and to even go to jail for it. Sharpton has lived a part of history that not many have and while some of his statements may be out there, Again--- I doubt you would be bringing this up if Obama was not black or if you weren't they aren't any more out there than Bush or McCain's prejudicial statements against Islam, McCain's previous ties to white supremicists who served with him in the senate years ago.
I dont' think that Obama should be tied to Sharpton because they both happen to share a skin color and calling for him to make a statement that Sharpton will or will not be in his administration is not something you would ask of a white candidate. Do you really think that Obama is so weak he'll be pressured to give "the brother a job"? Your line of thinking scares me, because I know there are others who share those disturbing views.
That thinking is poison and I would appreciate you spreading that fear on a different thread since no one who supports Obama believes that. You've got several threads that are all about antiObama to choose from.
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Mad- Obama will be an excellent role model for kids and that he happens to be black will show minority children that in America, anything is possible because you can be judged by the content of your character and not the color of your skin--- by the majority of the electorate.
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I remember Sharpton from his Tawana Brawley days. I remember being shocked by the venom coming out of his mouth directed at any white person who questioned any part of the girl's story. I remember him spewing the same venom years later after the entire story was discredited. He's cleaned himself up a bit, and now appears on TV wearing a suit instead of a tank top and shorts, but he's the same person on the inside.
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Your judgment of Sharpton is really sad and I really wish you'd keep that kind of racial poison away from this thread. Did you know Sharpton is a distant relative of the late Strom Thurmond going back from the days of slavery? A lot of white plantation owners raped their female (and probably male) slaves, not that there won't also "loving" relationships although when one "owns" the other the term love is debatable.
Should we say McCain is still a racist because he was against removing confederate flags and didn't support MLK day? I don't think so but under your line of thinking that would apply.
Won't you please take your prejudicial thinking elsewhere. No one on this positive Obama thread, who supports an Obama presidency is going to buy into your line of thinking.
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The definition of prejudice is to judge someone you don't know based on superficial physical characteristics, without bothering to find out if your judgements are accurate. Yes I object to the most of the views expressed by Al Sharpton over that past 20 or so years. That doesn't make me prejudiced. My views are based on his public statements and actions over a period of time. They have nothing to do with superficial physical characteristics.
That he is in any way related to Strom Thurmond is poetic justice because Thurmond was just as narrowminded as Sharpton, just sitting on the other side of the fence.
You not being willing to tolerate anyone who doesn't worship Obama, now that is a form of prejudice.
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You ladies ROCK!
Love the responses to patmom. However, I think you are wasting your energy, as she just doesn't get it!
Watching CNN last night, and the voter registration drives going on in various states (not ACORN). Interesting that many of these poll workers are college students (remind you of the 60s, right?) going into small villages in the Appalachians, and they are reporting to their supervisors the comments being made by the people they approach. Many of them will not vote for Obama because he is a "black boy." Some still believe he is a Muslim. And a few intend to vote for him, but don't want their neighbors to know! This is just one small sample and one perspective on how conditioned people are, they don't know they are racist in their knowledge and how they live their lives.
I think Sarah Palin purposely incites people at her rallies and enjoys the "power" she has over the people listening to her. If she would do this as a Christian woman on the campaign trail, what would her behavior be like in the White House. And McCain seems unable to "rein" her in. I think she is the pit bull with lipstick that is biting him again and again! He can't seem to see that she will lose this campaign for him--1/2 or more of her behavior and stupidity will lose it for him.
And McCain, yes he did spout those words of country first, and rather lose the campaign than do negative attacks. WTH? Now he is putting himself first--forget country--he would rather divide this country than try to bring us together. His anger and defensiveness reminds me of a cornered animal. It is so sad.
A friend of mine sent me this, and my faith in the people, and particularly the women of this country has been restored. I realize that the republican thread is not the view of the majority of women in this country, but the minority, who are grabbing at whatever they get their hands on, even if it isn't the truth and hoping their dubious information will change minds of other women voters on this thread.
So, here is the link:
<http://womenagainstsarahpalin.blogspot.com/
And my hubby just stuck his head in the door, and suggested looking at the latest Huffington Post for some interesting information on McCain/Palin negative campaigning.
It is obvious from Palin's vitriol agains Obama that she covertly spreads racist ideas through the language she uses to those at her rallies. She is told what to say, and I'm sure has speech writers preparing her for all this; and I say that if she was truly a "christian" she would say no way. And it is obvious that the McCain campaign sees this behavior as her only asset right now because just her being a woman is not enough for most of the women in this country to vote for her. If she used dirty tactics and abused her power (or gave her hubby too much power), what prevents her from doing the same if she is elected president. I caught a snip of one of her speeches, or an answer to a question someone asked, and her response (it was on foreign policy) was a snide response that impressed me, as I saw the real Palin--who would not be good for this country when it comes to foreign relations and coming to terms with nations that harbor terrorists, or that she feels are not "behaving" like she thinks they should.
I am insulted that McCain would even put her on the ticket, and even more insulted that he let his advisors convince him to do so. I think he wants to win sooooo badly, he will do anything. He should have said no, and chose someone else. His loss, and Obama's gain.
Patmom--Jesse Jackson and Al Sharpton had their days on the campaign trail. Obama is a lot smarter than you think. And I too consider your suggestion of what Obama will do to be racist, plain and simple. The question of what advisors a candidate will consider for cabinet positions should be raised about McCain. His choice of VP says a lot about his inability to choose wisely. And also with the campaign advisors he has surrounded himself with--including Karl Rove!
Perhaps if we (the great citizens of this nation) had paid better attention to whom Bush would select as his cabinet members eight and four years ago, we would not be in this position now. And I fear that the Secty of Treasury has been given too much power and thank goodness all of them will be gone in less than 4 months--it's 7 years and 8 months too late!!
Happy Sunday all!
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PatMom,
Al Sharpton endorsed Hillary Clinton for Senator, and withheld endorsement from Obama in the primaries in part because of his bond with Hillary. I'm white and Al Sharpton has personally been welcoming to me at political events in New York. Al Sharpton protested the NYPD shooting of an emotionally disturbed young Jewish man in 1999. I could go on and on, but Sharpton is not "anti-white."
This thread is not unwilling "to tolerate anyone who doesn't worship Obama."
We are unwilling to tolerate smears and lies, and to let ignorance go unchallenged. That's not "prejudice" -- that's intellectual responsibility.
P.S. And of course, Obama is not responsible for Sharpton, is not linked to Sharpton, and has no reason or need to say ANYTHING about Sharpton. I just happen, all on my own, to know a few things about Al Sharpton that PatMom doesn't.
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Madalyn -- of course, that too!
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Has anybody been looking in to the shadow governor's aip party?
that is some very scary stuff!
from the front page of their website:
"I'm an Alaskan, not an American. I've got no use for America or her damned institutions." Joe Vogler
sarah was a member according to the vice chairman describing Palin at the 2007 North American Secessionist Convention as an "AIP member before she got the job as a mayor of a small town -- that was a nonpartisan job. But you get along to go along. She eventually joined the Republican Party, where she had all kinds of problems with their ethics, and well, I won't go into that."
sarah and todd pal around with these folks, big time!
wonder what kind of folks they would elect to their cabinet.
i know, i know, she is the vp candidatebut according to cnn 46% americans do not believe mccain will make it through his first term.
another gem from aip founder, Joe Vogler:
"The fires of hell are frozen glaciers compared to my hatred for the American government. ... And I won't be buried under their damn flag."
nice set of pals sarah and todd surround themselves with.
funny how this does not seem to bother the gop faithful.
but al sharpton????? oh the horror! rotflmol
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Ugh! All this stuff about Al Sharpton sounds so racially motivated to me. The air is filled with the smell of desperation. How the heck did Sharpton get into the picture anyways?
Amy: Yes it was racially motivated. She had received 3 hate letters prior to the attack. This college is in an afluent suburb! This is the kind of stuff that comes out of fear and anger, and has been planted in peoples minds because of the negativity and fear being spread by the McCain camp. JMO!
Nicki
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The republicans that are sticking by their candidate are in sheer desperation now. Everything they discuss is negativity against the other candidate, why not discuss the good things about who your party is running? Not one word about the VP choice AKA Hell on Wheels. What is her problem? They have hand fed her a few lines and that is all she says! You hear nothing new in her speeches, no discussion of what they will do for the country if elected, nothing about how to solve problems we are having and no discussion of the war we are in. It is insane, just bashing of the other person. That is how we acted in the 4th grade. Absolutely insand!
Then you have McCain trying to calm the crowd down saying Obama is a decent man and then his running mate runs around firing them up saying he is a terrorist or associates himself with them. No wonder the party is not working together, the Pres & VP candidates are not even working together.
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so true, luann...
desperation brings out the worst in people. on another thread i visit (not here at bc.org
)the repugs are all telling each other to watch sean hannity tonight as he is going to drop the bomb on obama and provide a real game-changer...
imagine an october surprise from sean hannity? desperation is way out of hand.
i hope that the hate mongering minority of americans can purge their minds of their racism and join the rest of the world in the 21st century.
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You know, I'm worried that if McCain wins the election, he'll appoint Sean Hannity to an important position in his administration. We know how ambitious Hannity is, and he must be getting sick to death of Colmes by now. And he's going to single-handedly save McCain's campaign tonight with Part II of his probing documentary about Obama the terrorist lover, so McCain will owe him bigtime. He's said some pretty stupid things over the years, and he keeps inviting that anti-Semite on his show. I remember him sitting there with his bad Keystone cop haircut, agreeing with Ann Coulter when she said Justice Stevens should be poisoned and Clinton assassinated. Sure, he's got a better haircut now, but you know he's still the same jerk inside. McCain hasn't said that he won't not appoint him, so how do we know for sure???
Have you heard McCain's new economic message? Now he's not only going to save Wall Street and cut everyone's taxes, but balance the budget by the end of his first term too. Amazing!
Did anyone make it to the Philly rally? I read about it in the LA Times today. Sounded like fun. In the photo, there were at least 10 Secret Service people protecting him. I wonder if that's the standard number, or if it's been increased recently.
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A Refresher Course for Some
An Inspiring Reminder for Others:
Martin Luther King "I have a dream"
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PbUtL_0vAJk
We Shall Overcome!
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For those of you who don't know, Sarah Palin dropped the first puck at the flyer's home opener last night, much to the disgust of most of the fans. The owner is a die hard republican who invited her to what he said was a nonpolitical event. Note to Ed Snider, anything involving a candidate and the public is a political event 3 weeks before the election. Palin was worried she would be booed (and she was) so in efforts to quell her descenters she dressed poor little Piper in a Flyer's jersey and took her out on the ice, hoping people wouldn't boo her with her daughter there. What kind of a mother uses her 7 year old daughter to protect her from negative sentiments? Oh that's right, the same kind of mother who uses her down's syndrome infant to garner sympathy. Piper is just so adorable, I hope growing up in that household doesn't ruin her.
LAP- Lady suz went to the one of the philly rallies,
Patmom tried to PM me some of her garbage but I told her not to PM me any more.
Mad- they tried to dress Obama differently too in the primaries, told him to lose the jacket and tie and put on a polo shirt to appear more like the common folk, The minute I saw Palin I knew she was going to get some type of make over they all seem to try to look more presidential and professional.
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amy - i just wanted to take a moment and than you for the fortitude and foresight you have shown here, creating this thread for us positive obama supporters.
breast cancer may have brought us to this site, but the common ground
the hope for better has brought us to this thread.
thank you, laurap
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lol...come to think of it, I haven't heard McCain say that he will not appoint Rush Limbaugh to a major post in his cabinet. Or Bill O'Reiiley, Mark Levin, Michael Savage, Pat Buchanan, Michelle Malkin, Elizabeth Hasselabck, Ann Coulter, Laura Ingraham, Dr. Laura, Glenn Beck, Rick Davis (oops wait - he's already part of the campaign), Karl Rove (shucks, scratch Karl - his hollow shell took over long ago)...okay running out of names...
I wonder what other right wing white fringe (that's a mouthful) lunatic hate-spewers that McCain hasn't declared will not be part of his cabinet? Scary, terrifying, chilling stuff....LOL
Amy - I also ignored a PM from patmom. It was full of lies, so I just deleted it.
As for the hockey fans booing Palin, well, good for Philly. I was at a NASCAR race in Texas during the '04 campaign when they put Bush up on the jumbo-tron to give the "Gentlemen Start Your Engines" command. I stood up and booed as loud as I could. I was a lonely voice in the Repug-friendly state of Texas, but it was a moment I will cherish forever. I am so sick of being lumped in as a presumed Republican because I live in Texas (I am not FROM Texas - but I have lived here for 5 years), and I like NASCAR (and other types of) motor racing!
And seriously, when did politicians start getting access to hijack sporting events??
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