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Clinton Helps Make Michigan Obama Country
9-29-08, 11:30 am
http://www.politicalaffairs.net/article/articleview/7490/
Grand Rapids, Mich. - An enthusiastic crowd of several hundred people gathered at Central High School here Sat., Sept. 27, for a rally held by Hillary Clinton on behalf of Barack Obama.
In lines that stretched around the the block, a crowd of several hundred mostly white city residents came out to see the New York Senator. Clinton delivered a strong message on the economy and the extremism and failures of the Republican Party under Bush and McCain.
To the delight of the excited crowd, she paraphrased a line that earned her thunderous applause at the Democratic National Convention: "No way, no how, no McCain, no Palin!"
If you care about the economy, Iraq, health care, education, the environment, she contended, you simply cannot vote for John McCain. "We cannot afford four more years of the same failed policies," she said. "We love this country too much."
"And no state in the country needs change more than the state of Michigan," she added. "I know what Michigan has been through with all of the incredible difficulties with the downturn in manufacturing and the loss of jobs, people moving out of state, families being separated, high unemployment, people losing their homes, not having their health care, retirees going back to work in their 70s and 80s because they don't have enough money to keep body and soul together."
"There isn't any reason on this earth why anybody in Michigan should want to vote to validate the last eight years, which is why we need to vote for Barack Obama," Clinton stated to thunderous applause.
Hillary Clinton's efforts for the Obama campaign are one of several reasons Barack Obama appears to be pulling ahead in the latest national polls. A handful of instant polls gave him the edge for his strong performance in the first presidential debates, during which he scored high marks on the economy and held his own on foreign policy and national security issues, especially Iraq, which were supposedly John McCain's top issues.
During the week before the debate as Wall Street and the Bush administration demanded a massive bailout of the financial markets, John McCain appeared to make a series of rash and poor decisions, injecting his campaign into Washington politics only to seem to have disrupted proceedings rather than help broker a deal.
In the presidential debate itself, during the 40 minutes spent on economic issues, McCain sounded shaky, appeared uncomfortable, and had few answers for Obama's challenge that McCain was linked to the economic policy of deregulation and a free hand for Washington lobbyists and Wall Street players that caused the financial meltdown.
Fears about the impact of the Wall Street bailout and anger over George W. Bush's refusal to link the bailout to economic stimulus for Main Street favored Obama. Obama's call for a bailout that addressed the needs of working families as well as Wall Street players resonated with voters enough to earn him a 24-point lead over McCain on economic issues, according to a Washington Post/ABC News poll released last week.
Obama has called for investments in job creation, helping homeowners renegotiate their mortgages in order to keep their homes, and an economic stimulus package that includes a tax break for 95 percent of working families. By contrast, McCain has proposed a new $300 billion tax break for Wall Street, including massive tax cuts for major oil companies.
Obama's strong economic message has boosted his support in key battleground states like Michigan. For example, a Greenberg Quinlan Rosner survey of voters in Macomb County, Michigan, a mainly white, working-class suburb that has previously leaned Republican and has been pegged as a tough place for Obama to win support, suggests his economic message is getting through. Macomb County, gave a one-point edge to Bush in 2004.
Both candidates have made numerous stops in the county, which both campaigns regard as one of the keys to winning Michigan. Prior to the the mid-September collapse of Wall Street, John McCain faired well in the county, with a seven-point advantage.
New data suggests that the race has tightened with Obama winning much stronger support from Democratic voters who leaned either toward McCain or toward Ralph Nader. According to the Greenberg Quinlan Rosner survey, released just this past week, Obama's support grew by about double digits among three key Democratic demographics in the county: non-college whites, moderate or conservative Democrats, and white union members.
But Obama's economic message, the poll showed, hasn't been the only factor contributing to his improved numbers. More and more voters in Macomb County also described Obama as "on your side" and increasingly viewed Obama as solid on national security issues and the Iraq war.
The latest data from Greenberg Quinlan Rosner also puts Obama at a seven-point advantage in the whole state, improving his chances to claim the state's 17 electoral votes in November.
In addition to Obama's strong economic message and his solid performance during the national security presidential debate, Obama's campaign has out-performed McCain's in Michigan. Excellent grassroots work in the Grand Rapids area, for example, had McCain nervous enough to visit the supposed Republican stronghold in early September, speaking to a crowd of about one-third the size of Obama's last major personal event in the city. Elsewhere, voter registration efforts in Detroit has added at least 30,000 new voters to the rolls, with a goal to add about 500,000 statewide.
Obama's Michigan supporters are not taking the stronger poll numbers for granted. They have pledged to spend the remaining weeks registering voters, talking directly to undecided voters, educating voters on their rights, and getting out the vote on Nov. 4th. -
Clinton says McCain is `mimic' of Bush, not maverick
By ANN SANNER , Associated Press
Last update: October 4, 2008 - 7:52 PM
- WASHINGTON - Sen. Hillary Rodham Clinton on Saturday called Republican presidential candidate John McCain not a maverick but a "mimic" of President Bush.
Clinton made the remarks at a Human Rights Campaign dinner, where she was filling in for Democratic presidential candidate Barack Obama's running mate, Joe Biden. Biden canceled his weekend campaign events because his wife's mother is ill. Clinton spoke by satellite from Los Angeles to a few thousand people who attended the national gay rights group event.
Clinton said Biden called and asked her to fill in for him because of the family emergency. Rather than sharing her thoughts, she said, "I want to share with you the eloquent remarks that Joe had prepared."
Clinton sought to tie McCain to Bush, saying the Arizona senator offered voters "more of the same."
"He's not a maverick. He's a mimic," she said.
She noted that McCain doesn't support extending job discrimination and hate-crimes laws to cover sexual orientation and supports the military's "don't ask, don't tell" policy.
Clinton said Americans can choose in the November election whether the nation takes steps toward "securing equality and dignity for all Americans, regardless of sexual orientation or gender identity."
"Or we can choose four more years of the same failed policies, four more years of the same small-minded governance, four more years that look just like the last eight," she added.
The Obama campaign has repeatedly tried to tie McCain to Bush in voters' minds, an approach GOP vice presidential candidate Sarah Palin portrayed in a debate with Biden on Thursday as looking backward rather than forward.
Clinton's comments came as the McCain campaign stepped up attacks on Obama's character. Palin on Saturday accused Obama of "palling around with terrorists" because of an association with a former '60s radical. The Obama campaign called Palin's remarks offensive but unsurprising given news reports about the McCain campaign's come-from-behind game plan.
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As a Hilary supporter, I have listened to both parties and the truth is both Obama and Palin scare me. Hoever, the big question is... who scares me more? I have to say...Obama really, really scares me. He has had very strange acquaintances and when called on it he always has a cleverly drafted response all leading to how he is no longer acquainted to that individual. Interesting!!!! I am from the old school that believes we attract people who are like us and we are judged by the friends we keep.
For me, the biggest concern is who on their right mind would want to sit with third world terrorist or dictators for a civil conversation during time of war or ever?!
Yes, Palin scares. I think McCain made a mistake in picking her. But, truth is she is running for VP. Obama wants to be our president. Yikes!!!! His campaign is starting to sound very much like a dictator/terrorist campaign...they play on peoples fears to gain power and then...surprise!!!!
That is it! I am voting for McCain. He knows what is like to face the enemy, he has fought for this country and has sacrificed himself for our freedom. What has Obama done? I think the democrats made a bigger mistake in picking Obama.
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Clinton Goes To Bat For Obama and the Party
By Fredreka Schouten, USA TODAY WASHINGTON -
Democrat Hillary Rodham Clinton has raised more than $8 million for former rival Barack Obama's presidential campaign since July and plans to barnstorm the country for even more cash, as the New York senator works to show she is aggressively helping the candidate who cut short her White House bid.
"I am using every tool that I have to help Democrats win," Clinton told USA TODAY. She was between fundraising events in Texas and California that brought in another $1.5 million for Obama and congressional candidates on Friday and Saturday.
Later this month, Clinton will headline Obama fundraisers in Chicago, Philadelphia and Little Rock along with 11 events to raise money for Democratic congressional candidates and state parties.
She is stepping up efforts to get more Democratic women elected to the Senate. On Friday, she issued an e-mail fundraising appeal for Louisiana incumbent Mary Landrieu and challengers Kay Hagan, who is locked in a tight battle against Republican Sen. Elizabeth Dole in North Carolina, and former New Hampshire governor Jeanne Shaheen, who is engaged in a repeat of her close 2002 race with GOP Sen. John Sununu.
The former first lady said in the interview late Friday that her goal is straightforward: "We have a lot to repair in America, and I believe that Democratic leadership is essential to fixing the damage that we are going to inherit."
Clinton, who came closer to claiming a major party's presidential nomination than any woman before her, declined to discuss whether another White House race was in her future.
"I'm looking forward to going to the White House someday and standing there when President Obama signs a bill guaranteeing quality, affordable health care for every American," she said, citing an issue that was a signature of her campaign.
Democratic strategist Tad Devine said Clinton's stature will grow in the Senate no matter the outcome on Election Day because she garnered about 18 million votes in her presidential bid.
Clinton stands to become "the most important woman in American politics" if Democrats win on Nov. 4, he said.
Helping to raise the money to aid Obama and increase Democratic majorities in Congress only enhances that standing, Devine added, because "delivering resources to campaigns is probably the single-most important and difficult thing you can do in politics."
Clinton has hit 40 campaign events for Obama in battleground states from New Hampshire to Nevada in the past two months.
Her husband campaigned in Florida last week. "Both Bill and I are doing all we can to reach the people who are not already convinced," Clinton said.
The Clintons' efforts come amid lingering signs of unrest among her still-loyal supporters. One top Clinton fundraiser, investment executive Lynn Forester de Rothschild, announced last month she was supporting Republican nominee John McCain. She called Obama and other top Democrats in Congress "too far to the left."
Clinton rejected the idea of further defections from her camp. "The vast majority of people who voted for me will vote for Sen. Obama," she said. "They understand that ... we desperately need a Democratic administration to take the reins of the economy and turn it around."
Alexander Heckler, a Fort Lauderdale lawyer who raised more than $100,000 for Clinton, said talk of dissension between the Clinton and Obama fundraising camps is overrated.
He said he contributed $2,300 to Obama at a Sept. 19 fundraiser in Miami and has committed to raising at least $250,000 for the Illinois senator at Clinton's urging.
"We are all very united," he said.
Clinton still owed about $9 million to her campaign vendors at the end of August, despite Obama's appeal to his top fundraisers to help retire the debt. She vowed to work to repay the vendors, but insisted her priority is her party.
"With a month to go until Election Day," she said, "our energies have to be focused on persuading people to support Democrats."
http://www.usatoday.com/news/politics/election2008/2008-10-05-Clinton_N.htm
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- Palin Meets Resistance Among Clinton Backers
OCTOBER 8, 2008 - Wall Street Journal - By AMY CHOZICK
Sen. John McCain may share the Republican ticket with the party's first female vice presidential nominee, but Gov. Sarah Palin hasn't widely won over disaffected Hillary Clinton supporters. Some say the Alaska governor is having the opposite effect: driving them to back Democratic nominee Barack Obama.
Such voters cite a variety of reasons, from policy differences to speaking style. Sarah Nightingale, a 56-year-old wellness coach, said she liked Sen. Clinton because of her detailed policy speeches. She says she hasn't heard that level of specificity from Gov. Palin, which has solidified her support for Sen. Obama. "If McCain was trying to win me over as a Hillary supporter, he picked the wrong woman," Ms. Nightingale said.
Sen. McCain named Gov. Palin as his running mate in August. He hoped in part that her nomination would help him woo the millions of mostly white, middle-class women who had voted for Sen. Clinton in the Democratic primaries and who may have felt a lingering resentment of Sen. Obama.
At her first joint rally with Sen. McCain, Gov. Palin stood at the podium with her family behind her and alluded to the speech Sen. Clinton delivered in Washington when she suspended her campaign.
"Hillary left 18 million cracks in the highest, hardest glass ceiling in America. But it turns out the women of America aren't finished yet and we can shatter that glass ceiling once and for all," she told a crowd of 15,000 in Ohio, a state Sen. Clinton won in the Democratic primary.
For a while, it seemed like Gov. Palin's compelling personal story -- a working mother of five and a self-proclaimed "hockey mom" -- would attract many of the 18 million voters who had supported Sen. Clinton. But recent surveys of women voters and interviews with Clinton supporters suggest that the Alaska governor has not attracted an outpouring of support among female voters.
According to a Wall Street Journal/NBC News poll this week, 51% of women said they plan to vote for Sen. Obama and his vice presidential nominee, Sen. Joseph Biden, compared with 41% for Sen. McCain and Gov. Palin.
Democratic pollster Celinda Lake said women tend to vote Democratic and to base their decision on shared issues over shared experiences. "Gender may have gotten their attention but it's agenda that gets their vote," Ms. Lake said, adding that there are major policy differences between Sen. Clinton and Gov. Palin.
Many of Sen. Clinton's backers support abortion rights and the former first lady's pledge to introduce universal health care. Gov. Palin opposes abortion in most cases, including rape and incest, and opposes a federally run health-care system.
Retired teacher Carolyn Hill, 68, said she finds the implication that women would vote for a candidate because of her gender insulting. "Does McCain think we're just a bunch of airheads?" she said. "I'm looking for some substance and someone who agrees with me on issues."
The McCain campaign said Gov. Palin has excited millions of women across the country, including many of those who had supported Sen. Clinton during the primaries. Campaign spokesman Tucker Bounds points to former top Clinton fund-raiser Lynn Forester de Rothschild, a member of the Democratic National Committee, who is now supporting Sen. McCain.
Ms. Rothschild told reporters last month that she supports Gov. Palin partly because she is a woman. "I love Sarah Palin," she said. "I think she's pretty cool. Of course, we disagree on some issues."
While some supporters see Gov. Palin's nomination as an advance for the women's movement, some older women who voted for Sen. Clinton say Gov. Palin's speaking style and her past as a beauty queen run counter to their idea of a feminist.
"They made a big mistake with women," Nancy Wilson, a retired, 70-year-old nurse from South Carolina, said of the McCain campaign. The way Gov. Palin "flirts and winks and licks her lips -- women don't like that."
Sen. Clinton has largely avoided discussing Gov. Palin. But at a luncheon honoring Eleanor Roosevelt in New York on Monday, the New York senator asked women to get behind Sen. Obama.
"As a woman, as a lifelong advocate for women, children and families...this is not even a close choice," Sen. Clinton said. "We cannot afford the same failed policies for the next four years that we have endured for the last eight."
http://online.wsj.com/article/SB122341711146712845.html?mod=googlenews_wsj
Write to Amy Chozick at amy.chozick@wsj.com
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Clintons launch campaign swing for Obama
By BETH FOUHY - 23 minutes ago
WASHINGTON (AP) - When Bill and Hillary Clinton take the stage Sunday at a campaign rally in Pennsylvania, it will be the launch of an active campaign for their former nemesis Barack Obama in the home stretch of the 2008 presidential race.
The nation's best known and most powerful Democrats for nearly two decades, the former first couple is getting used to a new role: cheerleaders for Obama, who vanquished Hillary Clinton last spring in a Democratic primary contest for the ages.
Whatever recriminations the Clintons may still harbor from that long battle seem to have been nudged aside as they campaign in earnest for the Democratic ticket.
The New York senator and the former president will appear with Obama's running mate, Joe Biden, at a rally Sunday in Scranton, a working class town that has assumed something of an outsize role in the presidential race.
Biden was born in Scranton and lived there for several years as a child, while Hillary Clinton's father grew up in the town and is buried there. Both Biden and Clinton have emphasized their Scranton roots to illustrate their connection to blue collar voters.
After the rally, the Clintons will follow separate itineraries through presidential battleground states. They will also campaign on behalf of Democratic House and Senate candidates across the country.
Bill Clinton, who worked tirelessly for his wife during the primaries, seemed to take her loss more personally. Nonetheless, he gave Obama his full-throated endorsement at the Democratic convention in August. But he began stumping for the Illinois senator only recently, appearing at fundraisers and headlining two major events in Florida earlier this month.
After the Scranton rally, the former president was headed to Richmond and Roanoke, Virginia. He also planned events in the next few days in Ohio and Nevada, battleground states he won in 1992 and again in 1996.
Hillary Clinton was scheduled to hold a fundraiser for Obama on Sunday night in Philadelphia and planned a rally for him Monday in Montgomery County, a Philadelphia suburb rich in swing voters.
Clinton trounced Obama by 10 points in last spring's Pennsylvania primary, largely due to her strength among white working class voters. Sensing opportunity, Republican John McCain has campaigned actively in Pennsylvania but recent polls show Obama opening up a comfortable lead.
Hillary Clinton also planned return visits to Ohio and Florida in the next few days and has scheduled trips to Omaha, Neb., and Minnesota.
She traveled Friday to Arkansas, her husband's home state and where she served 12 years as first lady, in hopes of making it more competitive for the Democratic ticket. A swing through Western battleground states is in the works as well.
Clinton did radio interviews this week in North Carolina, a reliably Republican state that has become a battleground in this presidential election. She also spoke to a Hispanic station in Florida and launched a women's canvass in Wisconsin Saturday by phone.
Aides said Hillary Clinton has been remarkably stoic about taking on the role of an Obama cheerleader following the close and often bitter primary in which she raised questions about his electability and readiness to govern.
Clinton's long and often bumpy career in public life has taught her to compartmentalize her feelings, her aides said, and by nature she does not dwell on the past.
In campaign appearances, she has pressed the need for a Democratic president to take on the nation's sour economy and crippling financial crisis. Polls during the Democratic primaries found voters gave her a clear edge over Obama when asked who would be a better economic steward.
"I think it is safe to say we have not seen more troubles at one time since World War Two," Clinton told a rally in Little Rock, Ark., Friday. "Probably no president will inherit more challenges that President Obama will, since Harry Truman had to take over from Franklin Roosevelt."
Aides said Clinton has headlined more than 50 events for Obama and has raised $10 million for his campaign since suspending her own presidential effort in June.
(This version CORRECTS Corrects one of Clinton visits will be Omaha, Neb., sted Iowa.)
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From what I see, hear and read, Bill and Hillary Clinton's support for Obama is simply based on the fact that he is the Democratic nominee. Hillary "has pressed the need for a Democratic president". She has said that "we desperately need a Democratic administration" and that "(w)e cannot afford the same failed policies for the next four years". Bill and Hillary talk about Democratic values and principles and change from the last 8 years of Republican rule; they don't heap praise on Obama as an individual or don't talk to his qualifications (probably because of his glaring, unprecedented lack of qualifications).
As I sit here in Canada, and as I've compared our choices in the Canadian election (coming up this Tuesday) to the choices that you in the States have, I've realized something. If the U.S. had a parliamentary system, I could support Obama. I wouldn't like him any better, but I could support him. The fact is that I prefer many of the policies of the Democrats and in a parliamentary system, the Prime Minister works with other elected members of parliament to implement the policies of the majority party. The leader in a parliamentary system is not considered to be part of a separate branch of government, with individual powers. He's an elected member of parliament who happens to be the leader of his party. His cabinet is made up of other elected members of parliament. A weak leader or one of questionable skills and/or character isn't ideal, but within the parliamentary system, he or she can't get into too much trouble - his party will ensure that. This is quite different than the U.S. system. In the U.S. system, while you do have checks and balances, as Bush and others (Democrat and Republican) have shown, the president can get the country into a whole lot of trouble, particularly when the House and the Senate are controlled by the same party. Even if the president is pursuing a path that isn't fully supported by his party, he will usually get their votes. McCain's record of voting in support of Bush, even though we know that he didn't agree with Bush on much, is perfect evidence of that. The president has individual powers that can be abused. Add to this the fact that the president chooses his cabinet not from within a group of elected officials but from outside - he can choose his buddies, people who support his own personal agenda, people he owes favors to, people whose viewpoints he supports (whether or not they are consistent with that of his party). And some of the people in his cabinet will be much more powerful and influential globally than any elected official. And then there are the president's veto powers. For those reasons, within a presidential system, I simply can't see how people can support Obama. Since he has virtually no experience, one has to look at his background to make a judgement as to what sort of a leader he will be, who his advisers will be, what positions he will take. When you look at his background, there's a lot to question and a lot to worry about. I could say that I'm just glad that I'm in Canada, but since we are so affected by anything that's done in the U.S., it's all pretty scary to me. If only the press hadn't been so blinded by Obama and had gotten on his case (legitimately so) sooner during the primary campaign. With all that's going on these days, Hillary would've been a shoe-in!
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Beesie,
I agree with your thoughts on the Clinton's support. It was a very contentious primary race, possibly the most contentious in history and I am sure the Clinton's have not gotten over it.
I was a Hillary supporter thru to the convention and do wish today she was on the ballot as the Democratic Candidate.
Historically in the United States, presidential candidates take the heat for the economy of the encumbent party.
That being said, Barack Obama enjoys a comfortable lead in the polls.
It seems that Barack has met the threshold where people think he's going to be a leader and he has successfully tied McCain to Bush and people clearly want to make a move, according to Ed Rollins, a senior Republican campaign advisor probably best known for his work as National Campaign Director to Ronald Reagon in the 1984 presidential election in which Reagan won 49 states.
"Barack has met the threshold," Rollins said. "Once Reagan met the threshold, people wanted to get rid of Carter and they did in a landslide. This is going to turn into a landslide."
Just 9 percent of Americans thinking the country's on the right track, the lowest ever recorded.
President Bush's approval rating last week was only a point higher than Richard Nixon's on the day he was forced to resign from office.
Ed Rollins goes on to say, "It's also made it much more difficult for Republican John McCain to score with his escalating attacks on Obama for his ties to such controversial figures as William Ayers, a former member of a violent Vietnam War-era protest group. "You can't break through with the economy being so overwhelming," Rollins said. "No one cares."
This election comes down to the economy, exclusively. Never in the lifetime of anyone of voting age can they remember when things have gotten so bad.
Should the Republican party recieve full blame for the economic woes we face, absolutely not.
But in this election as the encumbent party, the Republican party has total ownership of the problem, fair or not.
Obama now leads in enough states to secure more than the 270 Electoral College votes needed to win the presidency.
There is another debate and events could change. But the odds of that get slimer and slimer as each day passes.
I for one, cannot wait to the end of the election. I think it has brought out the very worst in our great country. I can't help but wonder if some does not come from the frustration and fear of watching nest eggs diminish.
I for one, had hoped that my husband could retire in two years at 60 but my hopes for this are dimming each day the stock market opens for business. Our 401ks are starting to look more like 201ks.
I am more concerned about my retired uncle who requires assisted living and depends on his 401k to support this and my sweet next door neighbor, a 20 year bc survivor, recently widowed living on a fixed income that depends on her portfolio to get by and keep the home she has lived in for forty years.
These are some troubled times.
Anyway, the bottom line is the economy is going to decide this election because this is what effects each and every voter. Good Americans want more for their families and will vote their pocketbooks, regardless of the press or either candidates questionable ties in the past.
JMHO laurap
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laurap, I agree that the economy is driving this election. And with things as bad as they are, I understand the desire to just "throw the bastards out". But what I don't understand is why anyone thinks that Obama has the plan to do anything about this. I haven't seen any leadership from him over the past couple of weeks. He's been disturbingly quiet through this whole crisis, saying nothing more than the occasional platitude. And his economic plan is a house of cards. With my limited knowledge of economics and moderate knowledge of business, I know that Obama's plan doesn't hold together and quite possibly could hurt the economy more than it will help it. You're right that Obama has been successful in tying McCain to Bush; I think that is the only reason why he is doing well. But it's scary that he's going to get elected for this reason.
The Canadian economy and our stock market has been as badly affected as the U.S., even though this economic crisis has nothing to do with us. The Toronto Stock Exchange is down 34% so far this year. It's a disaster. The only good news out of any of this is that, similar to the U.S., this is hurting the incumbents in our election. So it appears that instead of the incumbent party winning a big majority in parliament, either this party or the other major party may win with only a minority of seats in parliament. For me, that would be great news since minority governments force the parties to work together and in the end, when they sit down in parliament to vote on anything, it forces the politicans to consider the good of their constituents rather than just their own party positions.
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I just want to jump in and say that neither candidate knows what to do with this economy. The experts do not know. What makes any of us think these two men know. I would rather them be honest and said, I don't know, but I will have the best people around me to advise me each step of the way.
As far as I'm concerned all of our elected officials in Washington should be fired. We have been srewed around with. While many people are losing their jobs and retirements they sit there making a pretty good living with the best health insurance. They have been playing with our lives. Each party fighting the other for their own personal gain. It's sickening. And I'm sick OF IT.
I hope there's an investigation into all this mess. Investigate Washington as well as Wall Street. I would like to see some butts thrown into jail.
I'm angry.
Shirley
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<<since minority governments force the parties to work together and in the end, when they sit down in parliament to vote on anything, it forces the politicans to consider the good of their constituents rather than just their own party positions. >>
beesie, we should be so lucky here in the united states!
clearly the good of the consituents is something all our elected official seem to have forgotten these days.
i totally respect your opinions on your understanding of the economy plans of obama and mccain. i do not think either has a plan that will go into works as the big picture has yet to be clearly defined. more banks to fail, more companys to miss earnings, harder credit times. have you taken a look at ford, gm or chryslar lately...all are rumoured to be heading for bk.
as to obama being quiet, these last weeks - i do not know the coverage you have on this in canada but obama laid out very detailed requirements he wanted for the bailout on numorous occaisions that i read. he also covered them in the first debate, i believe.
beyond that, obama portrayed a calm, rational, well spoken image that must have given many american voters a good feeling, if the polls are any indication.
i take comfort that he surrounds himself with an impressive circle of economic advisors.
anyway doesn't matter what i think ...
if it mattered what i thought hillary would be running the show!
but i will have no problem voting for barack obama in november with hillary.
i follow the tse closely and as a day trader have done well on some gas/oil plays on that exchange this year but since my vacation in july and august i did not jump back in, i am very thankful for that now. i will have my trading dollars ready to go when i see a clear bottom in all of this.
thank you for your canadian insight i often look to canadian and uk papers for my american news as i feel they have more of a chance of not being biased....
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<<As far as I'm concerned all of our elected officials in Washington should be fired.>>
Shirley - I agree, we have been totally let down and it is causing some real problems and hardships for folks everywhere!
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I wonder how close we are to bankrupting the world because we can't pay our debts to them? We can't keep printing money for what we don't have in our coffers, our money will become worthless. I hope China doesn't call our debt due any time soon.
I agree, there doesn't seem to be an answer for this mess. How long will China pay for our oil? We should be the rich nation lending money out, but instead we're borrowing it, and paying hefty interest. Pelosi's answer, let's print some more to give out another stimulus package. This is what we have to look forward to in the next session of Congress. It will be loaded down with people who don't realize we're broke so get out the credit cards and make it worse. That's if we still have any credit cards to use. They might be maxed out. $10 trillion in debt kinder does that.
It's going to be very tough to watch C-Span next year and listen to all the grand schemes they'll have to give away more of our money that we don't have. We're putting back the very same people in Congress who caused this mess, it can't get any dumber then that, but that's what we're about to do.
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We should disband the government in its entirety, and I say this as a very strong believer in government as our best hope to cure the ills in society. But recent history is proof that the federal government, both parties equally, are driven by self-interest. The single difference is that during the election cycle they present different faces to the electorate in the hope of getting re-elected, but after they get re-elected they do absolutely nothing that is not calculated self interest. How long has this election been going on now--two years?--and for some candidates even longer. The costs of campaigning have been in the billions and the worse things get in this country, the longer the campaigns get. It's not the politicians fault (they're protecting their own interests). It's our fault and it won't stop until we force it to stop. A majority of Americans will vote for the same senator and representative they voted for two years ago or six years ago. Very few write or call their representatives to complain. How many of the 80% or so of Americans who now claim to be against the war have actually walked in a peace demonstration? We can effect change but it won't happen until Americans demonstrate in massive numbers that they won't take it any more, whether in the voting booth or on the street. But it has to come from somewhere. How about voting the exact opposite of what you've voted for previously. Or pick the person on the ballot you know doesn't have a chance of winning, and vote for that person. Pull the lever for any third-party candidate--doesn't matter who, just to shake up the system. How much worse can the politician you think of as the loser" be than the one you're planning to vote for. Do it down the line for every office. Can you imagine the amazement if everyone did this, and we had all those losers running the government and all the old boys out? The new ones might even make better decisions than all those good old boys with their hundreds and thousands of years of experience. They couldn't possibly make worse decisions, and think of the fun we'd have for the next few years.
And some history to encourage us to think outside the box. Abraham Lincoln, considered by most historians our greatest president, was the nominee of the recently-formed Republican Party (1854). And in so many ways, he didn't fit the norm. Or a more radical idea: only vote for women! If no women are on the ballot, write in the name of your mother or grandmother, whomever. We need to stir the pot!
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I just read the following after finishing the above post. It's really difficult to believe that the guy who replaced Foley has his own scandal. And here, allegedly, the Democrats are doing exactly what the Republicans did with Foley--hiding information to insure their guy gets re-elected.
Congressman's $121,000 Payoff to Alleged Mistress
Tim Mahoney Elected to Remove 'Ethical Cloud' of His Disgraced Predecessor, Mark Foley
By EMMA SCHWARTZ, RHONDA SCHWARTZ, and VIC WALTER
Oct. 13, 2008West Palm Beach Congressman Tim Mahoney (D-FL), whose predecessor resigned in the wake of a sex scandal, agreed to a $121,000 payment to a former mistress who worked on his staff and was threatening to sue him, according to current and former members of his staff who have been briefed on the settlement, which involved Mahoney and his campaign committee.
Pic: Congressman Tim Mahoney and his alleged former mistress, Patricia Allen
The affair between Congressman Tim Mahoney and Patricia Allen began, according to current and former staffers, in 2006 when Mahoney was campaigning for Congress against Foley, promising "a world that is safer, more moral."
(ABC News)Mahoney, who is married, also promised the woman, Patricia Allen, a $50,000 a year job for two years at the agency that handles his campaign advertising, the staffers said.
A Mahoney spokesperson would not answer questions about the alleged affair or the settlement, but said Allen resigned of her own accord and "has not received any special payment from campaign funds."
Senior Democratic leaders in the House of Representatives, including Rep. Rahm Emanuel (D-IL), the chair of the Democratic Caucus, have been working with Mahoney to keep the matter from hurting his re-election campaign, the Mahoney staffers said.
A spokesperson for Emanuel denies that account, but said Emanuel did confront Mahoney "upon hearing a rumor" about an affair in 2007 and "told him he was in public life and had a responsibility to act accordingly." The spokesperson added that it was a "private conversation" that had nothing to do with Mahoney's re-election prospects.
Emanuel's spokesperson said Emanual had not had any further contacts with Mahoney on the subject and did not know the woman involved worked on Mahoney's Congressional staff until informed by ABC News.
Mahoney was elected two years ago following the abrupt resignation of his disgraced predecessor, Republican Mark Foley, whose lewd internet messages to teenage boys and Congressional pages created a national outrage.
The affair between Mahoney and Allen began, according to the current and former staffers, in 2006 when Mahoney was campaigning for Congress against Foley, promising "a world that is safer, more moral."
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happy thanksgiving beesie!
we have many things to be thankful for!
laurap
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Thank you laurap! You're absolutely right. There certainly are a lot of problems out there right now, but a cancer diagnosis - and being NED - sure puts things in perspective! We do have much to be thankful for.
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I just listened to the tape of Tim Mahoney firing his mistress. He ran as the moral answer to Foley! Why do women flock after these men? He's not only obnoxious; he's ugly!
http://abcnews.go.com/Blotter/Politics/Story?id=5997043&page=2
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Politicians! I still think they should only be able to serve a certain number of years....a term.
Anneshirley, thought you'd get a kick out of this. Don't beat my man up too much.
http://www.politico.com/news/stories/1008/14599.html
McCain talks economy with Hillary
By GLENN THRUSHOn Sept. 24, Hillary Rodham Clinton received a surprise phone call from the man she's often denounced as an economic know-nothing: John McCain.
This was no social call, even though Clinton likes McCain enough to keeps his photo on the wall of her Senate office. The GOP nominee had already chatted with Bill Clinton about the mortgage crisis and wanted to pick the senator's brain about her new proposal to have the federal government buy up bad mortgages and renegotiate terms more favorable to homeowners on verge of default.
"McCain said he had been motivated by it, he was very complimentary about what she had proposed and wanted to know more," said a person with knowledge of the call.
Clinton responded coolly. "She didn't engage him, she just said, ‘Thank you' and heard him out."Three weeks later, at the town hall debate in Nashville, Tenn., McCain rolled out a $300 billion anti-foreclosure plan that's similar, if not identical, to Clinton's - and subsequently credited the concept "to a suggestion that Sen. Hillary Clinton made not that long ago."
Clinton dropped out of the race four months ago, but her presence looms large at tonight's final McCain-Obama debate being held, appropriately enough, in her adopted state of New York.
Clinton was arguably the first candidate in either party to grasp the transformative political effect of the economic crisis, and her onetime rivals have been borrowing - liberally - from her policy and rhetorical playbooks.
"Everything in this election is being washed away by this stock market and economic stuff ... and she was the one who came out first with specific policies to deal with this, so she's clearly having an influence on both of them," said Peter Brown, assistant director of the Quinnipiac University Polling Institute.
"The reason why she's so influential is because we never had a primary candidate who won 18 million votes," said former Bill Clinton adviser Paul Begala, who likened the former first lady's impact to that of third-party candidate Ross Perot in 1992.
"Bill Clinton had to adjust his message to appeal to Perot's voters, and [McCain and Obama] have to do the same thing with her," he added. "The way you get her voters is not to suck up to her but to carry her message and her programs. ... That's why Obama's a more natural fit."
Clinton aides, speaking on condition of anonymity, said she is still smarting over her loss, but is gratified Obama and McCain have carried parts of her agenda. And they say she's downright tickled that McCain, a lifelong crusader against government spending, is getting in touch with his inner Hillary to woo her white, working-class base and female voters not sold on Obama."It's hilarious. It's like McCain is trying to copy her, but he's using a busted Xerox machine," said one of Clinton's top campaign advisers. "We were out in front on the economy. She was the first one to really pay attention to people's anxieties, and both Obama and McCain have been playing catch-up ever since."
The McCain campaign says the call to Clinton is just further proof that the GOP nominee is a president who can work across party lines.
"The fact the fact that they were talking in the midst of a heated campaign like this, shows it's not just rhetoric John McCain gives when he talks about working across the aisle," said spokesman Brian Rogers. "Obviously, Sen. Clinton is going to be a major force in the Senate in the future, and they have had a long friendship."
An Obama spokesman had no comment.
Presidential nominees have a long history of appropriating ideas from rivals. Bill Clinton's decision to focus on the middle class and fiscal responsibility sharpened after facing former Massachusetts Sen. Paul Tsongas in the primaries. Perot's candidacy, with its focus on balancing the budget, pushed the former president further in that direction.
For her part, even Hillary Clinton "adopted some of John Edwards' populist themes" when the former North Carolina senator dropped out of the primaries in early 2008, Begala said.It's not surprising that Obama, who shares Clinton's basic liberal-moderate worldview, would, in turn, adopt her ideas. But the extent to which he's incorporated specific Clinton policy proposals is striking.
On Monday, Obama told a crowd in hard-hit Toledo, Ohio, that he wanted to impose a 90-day freeze on foreclosures by banks that partake in the $700 billion rescue plan.
When Clinton proposed a package that contained a similar measure in January, Obama nixed it. At the time, his staff posted news stories denouncing the freeze on his campaign Web site, including a Fortune magazine story that tagged it "perhaps the dumbest solution to the current mortgage mess."
Health care was also a major flashpoint between Clinton and Obama during the primary, but Obama has moved closer to Clinton on this issue, as well.
During the primary debates, Clinton repeatedly hammered the Illinois senator, accusing him of refusing to sign on to her commitment to "universal" coverage, claiming Obama's plan would deny benefits to 15 million Americans.
In July, Obama reversed course and signed onto Clinton's proposal to grant health insurance tax credits for small business owners, telling a national Hispanic group that the "idea [was] championed by my friend Hillary Clinton, who has been leading the way in our battle to insure every American."
The copycat claims are nothing new. During the primaries, Clinton's staff circulated a memo enumerating what they believed to be Obama rip-offs, including his apparent adoption of her plan to create millions of "green-collar" jobs and Clinton's proposal for a national infrastructure bank.
"Sen. Obama has clearly followed us on an entire range of issues," Neera Tanden, then Clinton's policy director, told Newsday in April. "It raises a fundamental question: If Sen. Obama can't propose his own major policies during the campaign, how is he going to do it as president?"
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Shirley--At least McCain gives credit to Hillary when he adopts one of her proposals; Obama has adopted far more than one and not a word of credit!
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AnneShirley, yes, and I believe that he mentioned her name last night. He can and does reach across party lines.
I have to tell you something that really warmed my heart. Yesterday I was watching FOX OF COURSE, and they showed President Clinton and President Bush 41 in Galveston. They were there doing their charitable work. I had not seen President Bush in some time. I was surprised how badly he walked..with a cain. He almost reminded me of my dad before my dad could no longer walk except a few steps because my dad's legs hurt so much.
The respect that these two men showed each other who are on different sides of the political fence inspiring. President Clinton said he has already been in contact with the young president Bush to work with them on therse projects. Of course senior Bush is trying to bail out of doing this work..it's hard on him. But President Clinton kept telling him no, he was going to continue to work.
Pres Bush 43, as I understand it, will be working with Pres Clinton in the future. Although they have their differences politically I do think they respect each other. It's really nice to see politicians REALLY being able to work together. Lieberman and McCain also comes to mind. I know McCain probably wanted Lieberman as his VP. Politically the repubs would have been infuriated. I don't get it. I wouldn't have. I really like Lieberman. I guess I'm a liberal conservative...LOL
Shirley
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