The Respectfully Republican Conversation

Suzfive, that was a good video.  No wonder it was pulled...can't tell the truth.

Susie - I didn't realize it was "cleaned up" - wow the full version is really something. I have heard that the Sandlers are not very happy.

This is how I look at this election.  Any one of our companies who do business globally, can take their company to a better tax environment at any given time.  We've seen them do it.  Let's take an example of Exxonmobil.  They are so global, they could be gone to tax friendly shores in a minute.  Yet Obama likes to point to them and make it very unfriendly for them to headquarter here.  With them goes the revenues.  Yes, they will still have to pay taxes for what they produce and sell here in the American market, but I don't know what we tax them on for profits they make in other countries.  It could be a sizable amount of lost revenues.  Or I could know nothing of what I speak of.  I'm certainly no tax pro. 

We also make it very unfriendly for them to drill here.  We tell them where they can drill, but everyone of those sites have a lawsuit filed to prevent drilling.  I got that info from a Senator talking on the radio.  Some of these lawsuits are pending in the courts for almost 9 years already.  Very disappointing news.  Any new drilling legislation will have to have a lawsuit clause in it, to prevent a suit from lasting for years with continuances.  Just a side note.

But if I am right, and we make it unfriendly to other corporations as in the taxing plans of what Obama wants to do, then we can see a dismal future before us all.  And all the slick talk in the world won't make it any better. 

Perhaps this is just "amusing"? This was sent to me by a good Southern Baptist in Kentucky, so don't shoot the messenger, please!

This will make you re-think: A Trivia question in Sunday School:

How long is the beast allowed to have authority in Revelations?

Revelations Chapter 13 tells us it is 42 months, and you know what that is.

Almoste a four-year term of a Presidency.

All I can say is 'Lord, Have mercy on us!'

According to the The Book of Revelations the anti-Christ is:  The anti-Christ will be a man, in his 40's, of MUSLIM descent, who will deceive the nations with persuasive language, and have a MASSIVE Christ-like appeal..... the prophecy says that people will flock to him and he will promise false hope and world peace, and when he is in power, will destroy everything.

Do we recognize this description??

 Shirley...hope your BP doesn't go up too high over this one! I would love to know which house Pelosi is speaker of cause it sure as H*** isn't mine! Maybe we should just go ahead and file bankruptcy as a country like Iceland is contemplating cause when this broad is through we will need too!

By COLLEEN SLEVIN, Associated Press Writer 21 minutes ago

DENVER - House Speaker Nancy Pelosi said Wednesday that a $150 billion economic stimulus plan is needed now because of the faltering economy and she may call the House into session after the election to pass it.

Pelosi told reporters that the stock market meltdown, which has caused an estimated $2 trillion loss from pension funds, was a factor in her recommendation for a second stimulus bill. The first relief plan sent out $600-$1,200 tax rebate checks to most individuals and couples this year.

The House did pass a $61 billion economic aid proposal last month before lawmakers left Capitol Hill ahead of the Nov. 4 election. But a similar plan failed to pass the Senate. President Bush had promised a veto anyway.

If Democratic nominee Barack Obama wins the White House and if Capitol Hill Democrats make gains in the elections as well, it might be easier to pass a stimulus measure over dispirited Republicans, especially if the economy remains in big trouble.

The Senate is expected to be back at work after Election Day to complete a public lands bill and perhaps deal with other matters, such as a measure to extend unemployment benefits. The House also could return to consider a stimulus plan and additional issues in a lame-duck session before the newly elected Congress takes over in January.

"We may have to go back into session before the next Congress," Pelosi said.

Pelosi said a stimulus package would create jobs by investing in public works, increasing food stamps benefits and extending unemployment insurance for the long-term jobless. She said lawmakers need to "hunker down" and look closely at the federal budget for possible savings, and reconsider whether the U.S. can afford to fight "a war without end" in Iraq.

"We have some very harsh decisions to make and some of them can't wait until January," said Pelosi, D-Calif.

"What we can't wait for is a stimulus package," Pelosi added. "We may have to go back into session before the next Congress."

Pansy - I had heard that message was going around but had not actually read it or seen it.  Oh goodness, the description is chilling. 

As for Obama, he scares me with his socialistic views.  You know, socialism and communism are too similar.  If he is elected, we are in trouble.  Who in their right mind would want to sit down with terrorist for a dialogue?  He comes accross so arragant and full of himself.  He probably thinks he is larger than God. JMO    

Thanks Susie.  I wrote this before reading yours, but will post anyway.

Barack Obama is not a socialist, and I should know: I am a socialist, and proud of it!   And stop with the communism!  You sound like Joe McCarthy, may he not rest in peace.

Those of you who have "chills" thinking that Obama is the anti-Christ, I'd suggest you close your computers and open a book--preferably the Bible. What you should all know--taught in most grammar schools, even in my Catholic school as far back as the 50's--is that Muhammad is a 7th Century religious figure and Islam originated with Muhammad.  A bit late for the Bible!  I'm wondering if making up stuff and attributing it to the Bible is not, in fact, blasphemy, to be punished you know where!

Here is some information about the Book of Revelation, which you can easily find on the internet as I did. 

To reach our findings, we read the Book of Revelation and interviewed two religious scholars. Here's what we found:

• The word “anti-christ” does not appear in the Book of Revelation.

“The word Antichrist is not used in the Book of Revelation so this is important to point out,” said Dr. James D. Tabor, professor and chair of the religious studies department at the University of North Carolina at Charlotte. “Everybody thinks the word is used.”

That’s a pretty big hole in this e-mail from the get-go. We didn’t find the word in reading the text and our second scholar confirms this critical point.

“First and foremost, the word Antichrist and a figure called the Antichrist never occurs in the Book of Revelation in the New Testament,” said Dr. L. Michael White, professor of classics and religious studies at the University of Texas and director of the Institute for the Study of Antiquity and Christian Origins.

Now, some people interpret characters in the Book of Revelation to be the Antichrist even though the text doesn’t use this word. Specifically, in Chapter 13 there is a beast “having seven heads and ten horns, and upon his horns ten crowns, and upon his heads the name of blasphemy” that some consider to be an allusion to the Antichrist.

“It’s only in Chapter 13 and you could almost miss it,” Tabor said.

But among biblical scholars and historians, there is strong consensus that none of the strange, evil-sounding characters in the Book of Revelation actually represents the Antichrist.

“It wasn’t there in the Bible,” White said. “It emerges in the Middle Ages. It’s something historians deal with.”

Now the word Antichrist does appear a few times in other books of the Bible, specifically in First John and Second John. The description in First John, Chapter 4, verse 3 says: “And every spirit that confesseth not that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh is not of God: and this is that spirit of antichrist, whereof ye have heard that it should come; and even now already is it in the world.”

• There’s no mention of a man of a certain age.

The Book of Revelation talks of God, Jesus Christ, John, spirits, Jezebel, a beast like a calf, a beast like a flying eagle, elders, a great red dragon and many more animals and people. But nowhere does it describe “a man, in his 40s,” as the e-mail alleges.

“As you notice, there’s nothing about being age 40,” Tabor said. “This is completely wrong. The Book of Revelation doesn’t say that. It says it’s a male, so I guess they got that right. It says ‘he,’ ‘he,’ ‘he.’ ”

• There’s no mention of the word “Muslim.”

Considering the Bible was completed by the early second century, and the religion of Islam wasn’t founded until the early 600s, it’s not surprising that the word Muslim (the name for followers of Islam) does not appear in the Book of Revelation.

So it’s this part of the e-mail, where it says the Antichrist will be a man “of Muslim descent,” that our religious scholars find particularly ridiculous.

By definition, the Antichrist is “the polar opposite and ultimate enemy of Christ,” according to the Encyclopedia Britannica. And because Muslims believe “there is no god but God,” they would have great difficulty with the idea of elevating a person to a divine status, White said.

“A Muslim would be a monotheist and the last thing a Muslim would do is have anyone worship anyone other than God,” Tabor said.

Not to mention the fact that Obama is not a Muslim.

White points to the specific descriptions of the Antichrist as evidence that the e-mail is drawing from a number of sources to create the image it wants to portray.

“There is no part of that anywhere in the Bible, not in those forms,” said White, who was a co-writer and historical consultant for the 1999 PBS documentary, Apocalypse! Time, History, and Revolution. “That’s all a jigsaw puzzle of bits and pieces all filtered through the kind of end-of-world scenarios we get in the theology that is the underpinning of the Left Behind novels.”

White says this patchwork interpretation of the Bible is common in some groups trying to justify certain beliefs.

“Of course, they never bothered to read the Scriptures carefully ... so it’s kind of a system of interpretation. That if you start with that presupposition, it’s all there you can just find it,” White said.

“That description (in the chain e-mail) never occurs anywhere in one place nor are the component parts really about the same situation. It’s a cherry-picking through Scripture to get it all to fit together.” 

Anneshirley - Appearantly my comments struck a nerve with you.  One of the things I love most about this great country is that we are free to express and have our own opinion.  My statements above are just that...my own opinion.  You can chose to agree, disagree, or care less about my opinion. However, what you will never accomplish is to change my opinion regardless of who you want to compare me to. I don't know about Joe McCarthy, must have been before my time.  What I do know is communism.  I lived it and escaped from it.  One thing for sure, I don't wish that on any one or any country.  So, I will continue to have my views as I am sure you will continue to have yours.     

Ladies, my sincere apologies. I just logged on at 5AM, thinking that that was an inane thing to post, because my intent would be misconstrued. There was no "edit" "delete" option showing up for me on this post on either of my computers. The option has shown up on other posts. I tried to contact moderators, but it now has been removed by the community. I could not do it myself.

Meanwhile, Donna and Grace, I imagine that your reporting me as a racist will have me banned from the Board. I have NEVER been called such a name, but I have been accused of being SO "politically correct". My heart is still racing and my hands are shaking.

No matter whom is elected, he will be my President.

Goodbye and good luck!

The Shot Messenger

Rosemary...yes it is, including some from not over there, isn't also amazing how some are now running the boards in regards to who they deem is worthy of posting or for that matter what they deem is worthy of being said? Yet these same people are free to say whatever they want and call people whatever they want both overtly and covertly...smacks of b.s. to me but perhaps typical of times to come.

If Pansy and Odalys believed the e mail why are they not entitled to their beliefs just as everyone over there <------------------------------ is entitled to their beliefs? Because a few people got together and decided to whine to the mods? Perhaps over here people should band together and run to the mods everytime something over there <----------------------------------- is found offensive, which is often. This post removal by the mods is by far the most ridiculous act achieved yet on these boards...are you folks happy you managed to pull this off?

I am seriously livid by this latest act on behalf of a few people and cannot find which rule was being violated. Someone is horrified because something was intimated? And someone has the unmitigated gall to respond to a post saying in essence...you wouldn't want to be accused of being something you are not...sounds like a threat to me when these same people sling accusations almost daily...and call people names like vagina and old man...talk about the pot calling the kettle...I guess the difference is that some people are more able to see other people more clearly and ignore them rather than running to the mods. We all have differences of opinion and we should but this latest act on behalf of a few is mind-blowing. Yes, please spare me...I really hope Pansy does not let this group run her off...

And good for Odalys for standing up for herself...

Paulette,

Obama people are trying to take us off message.  They do it on all the blog sites.  We'll just stay the course here and hope no one leaves us...Pansy are you reading?

I watched Sarah on Hannity and Greta last night, and I don't remember which show, but she brought up how Obama is flip-flopping now on drilling.  Whenever I watch her I realize I have a smile on my face while she's speaking.  Obama can't get any closer to what McCain has been saying for months.

The latest flip-flops:  Obama on drilling, and he is now calling the troops leaving Iraq as a draw-down.  No more.. we're outta there.  If we wait long enough we won't be able to distinguish the differences between him and McCain.  He's pretty much stolen half or more of Clinton's platform also.  We need to put a colorful pant suit on the guy.

Ok guys everyone settle down...........you on the left know that the far right think most far left are some kind of representative of the anti Christ.  That is not how most Conservatives feel.......did you Obama people get Pansy thrown off bc.org.......that is really unnecessary..........and let me say this.......when Amy calls Palin a vagina the way I look at that is hopeful some one that is somewhere in the middle and reading all the political threads that they will be so insulted they will vote Republican.......as insulting as I find that statement I understand Amy and knows that she uses shock statements to make her points.  Us on the right know that Palin's sex was just a bonus........her real value for McCain comes from being a true Conservative..........he picked her for several reasons some for which he admired........going up against the Republicans in Alaska where good ole boy doesn't even begin to describe what Palin faced........going up against big oil and winning............but you guys over there should have not said anything.........your reaction makes you guys look like bullies.........of course this is JMO.............Shokk

Anneshirley...cute attempt at humor but you know exactly what I was referencing.