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I don't know Linda, we might have to be sharing squirrel stew recipes if the Dems get a higher majority in Congress this year.
Ok, back to the bill, 90+ dems didn't vote for it today. They had all the votes they needed if they really wanted to pass the bill. The Dems just don't want to take the blame for it should it not work. Pelosi did spend the past week pointing her finger at the Republicans for putting us into this mess, and lying should never be rewarded but they do need to come together and stop the sell-off.
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Just wanted to say thanks to the 133 republican representatives that voted AGAINST the bailout... WAY TO HELP OUT THE COUNTRY FOLKS.
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Oh my freaking goodness.............Pelosi is doing her best to screw this up and she is doing a pretty good job............Linda I have been reading but finding it hard to keep up...........you girls just amaze me...............I keep having to take breaks because there are some days I feel like if I don't wrap my head with duct tape it is going to explode...............the media is driving me insane............Barney Frank, Pelosi, Dodd are unbelievable.........they have robbed us blind with Fanny Mae and Fanny Mac.......and did you guys know in this current bill that ok they took out funding to Acorn but put in that for the labor unions that we had to absorb their payouts to retirees?.............what kind of crap is that?...........(sorry if any of you guys are retirees of gmac or other large labor unions) but hell.............I'm from a state were we don't do Unions.........why should I pay benefits for a union member?...........crap.........this is just such bullshit (sorry for the language)..............(Paulette and Rosemary glad you girls are ok)...........Shokk
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Rosemary. I agree, there is more to this, they scramble to put it together lead by Bo on his cell phone and then don't pass it? Come on...
Thanks Shokk, Ike was a beotch! Just got restored to full services a couple days ago, 14 days without is a long time for this spoiled American!
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That's the problem, they didn't have enough time to read the bill. I'm just hearing that now. Can anyone trust what exactly is in that bill that a Democrat is sponsoring??? Trust it enough for a vote? 95 Dems couldn't vote for it. When everyone takes a deep breath and starts reading it, then we'll hear the reason why it didn't go through. I just heard another jerk taking aim at Bush over this when clearly this is a democrat problem. Should I put that utube back here so the last person sees the Dems kissing the very asses that need to be put in jail for their failure to oversee their own companies? Cooking the books so they'll get their bonuses. It's all outrageous and criminal.
Meanwhile Dodd and Obama were at the very top of taking hand-outs from the Mac's.
Thanks Shokk all is getting back to normal here where I live. Galveston doesn't look so good.
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Hey Paulette and Rosemary..........how come you guys aren't whining about not having enough help..........where is Hollywood helping you guys get the word out about needing help...........did you guys know that George Bush hates white people or is it just Texans?............hmmmmm............Shokk
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Shokk...Fema, Fema, Fema...that's all I've heard the last few weeks...my response is this: It isn't the government's responsibility to take care of me, the government owes me nothing!
And I guess I'm not whining because we all know I'm a Repub and have everything I need and more, I already eat all beef hot dogs and they were handed to me on a silver platter!
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Summer, I just back tracked and caught your wonderful post on paying taxes. That was a great find.
I just heard Steve Forbes chiming in about the bailout. I am going to find something in writing somewhere about what he said because it made a lot of sense.
I have to go check on my DH. He just got home and is about to have a cardiac arrest. We are heavily invested and will probably be taking a bath in this mess.
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Actually, our local stores and churches came through for us. Sunday they were open letting us browse in the dark at their shelves. And we helped each other. I forgot to buy a cooler, and saw a woman who had 2, and I asked her where in the store were they? I was in there and missed them. She instantly sold me one of hers. She didn't want me to get on another line just for a cooler.
But, I do think Striesand should come here for a concert to help put Galveston back on their feet. Didn't she do a concert for Obama? She must have plenty of time on her hands. So, I have to agree, where's Hollywood?
Heck I forgot to watch Couric.
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You gals have said everything that needs to be said. All I have to say is the dems make me sick!
I'm posting again this again in case any of them over there <-----------------------------------(did I point that correctly) come over -----------------------------------------------------> here to read. I know this will make absolutely NO difference. <-------------------------------------------------- They'll still vote for the crook! Who posted the video. Can't remember. I'll post that too and I'm sending it to my dd. I doubt she'll care. ARRRRGGHHHH!
I am in a very foul mood today. I cannot believe people are "buying" into what Obama says. He's been making fun of McCain so much while campaigning..hahahahaha...He's not saying what he would do..just making fun of McCain. He's such an idiot! I am fed up!
For YOU over there <---------------------------------------------------We're in a mell of a hess..who's more at fault?
http://www.govtrack.us/congress/record.xpd?id=109-s20060525-16&bill=s109-190#sMonofilemx003Ammx002Fmmx002Fmmx002Fmhomemx002 Fmgovtrackmx002Fmdatamx002Fmusmx002Fm109mx002Fmcrmx002Fms20060525-16.xmlElementm0m0m0m
FEDERAL HOUSING ENTERPRISE REGULATORY REFORM ACT OF 2005
The United States Senate
May 25, 2006
Section 16Sen. John McCain [R-AZ]:
Mr. President, this week Fannie Mae's regulator reported that the company's quarterly reports of profit growth over the past few years were "illusions deliberately and systematically created" by the company's senior management, which resulted in a $10.6 billion accounting scandal.
The Office of Federal Housing Enterprise Oversight's report goes on to say that Fannie Mae employees deliberately and intentionally manipulated financial reports to hit earnings targets in order to trigger bonuses for senior executives.In the case of Franklin Raines, Fannie Mae's former chief executive officer, OFHEO's report shows that over half of Mr. Raines' compensation for the 6 years through 2003 was directly tied to meeting earnings targets. The report of financial misconduct at Fannie Mae echoes the deeply troubling $5 billion profit restatement at Freddie Mac.
The OFHEO report also states that Fannie Mae used its political power to lobby Congress in an effort to interfere with the regulator's examination of the company's accounting problems. This report comes some weeks after Freddie Mac paid a record $3.8 million fine in a settlement with the Federal Election Commission and restated lobbying disclosure reports from 2004 to 2005. These are entities that have demonstrated over and over again that they are deeply in need of reform.
For years I have been concerned about the regulatory structure that governs Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac--known as Government-sponsored entities or GSEs--and the sheer magnitude of these companies and the role they play in the housing market. OFHEO's report this week does nothing to ease these concerns. In fact, the report does quite the contrary. OFHEO's report solidifies my view that the GSEs need to be reformed without delay.
I join as a cosponsor of the Federal Housing Enterprise Regulatory Reform Act of 2005, S. 190, to underscore my support for quick passage of GSE regulatory reform legislation. If Congress does not act, American taxpayers will continue to be exposed to the enormous risk that Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac pose to the housing market, the overall financial system, AND THE ECONOMY AS A WHOLE.
I urge my colleagues to support swift action on this GSE reform legislation.
Quick Info S. 190 [109th]: Federal Housing Enterprise Regulatory Reform Act of 2005 Last Action: Committee on Banking, Housing, and Urban Affairs. Ordered to be reported with an amendment in the nature of a substitute favorably. Status: Dead
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Democrats Covering up the Fannie Mae, Freddie Mac and Economic Crisis
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3p1Wc2NFa3w&feature=related
Make sure you listen to Maxine Waters around the 5:25 minute marker...she says 0% down on houses and she thought that was good.
Shirley
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Shirley: I know you still love this liberal Democrat!
Shokk: You too!
Linda: I have some great Italian recipes to share.
In Romeo and Juliet at the end the king says "all are punished." So Im thinking everyone is to blame except those of us who are trying to make ends meet!
Love all ya guys
Nicki
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((((Nickster)))) you left leaning tree hugging women should have a choice Democrat I know I still love you and I bet Shirley does too............ha..............Shokk
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LadySuz -
Watch this video http://www.jimdemint.com/blog/2008/09/what-caused-the-economic-crisis-watch-this/
It goes kind of fast so you may need to slow it down. I can honestly say that I try to research both sides - Obama said in the debate Friday night that he warned of this last January I believe - but I can't find proof of it anywhere. If someone can show me where either in video or written - I would like to see it. More importantly - where was he in 2005????
Shirley - 0% down and interest only mortgages - who thought up that - end up with no equity in the house - okay if house prices go up but get burned if they go down.
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Absurd? Don't think so. Take a look at the video. See Maxine...she says 0% is good?
Obama to us who are republicans is transparent. He suspends his earmarks for this year? Hmmmm...I don't think I knew that until the debate.
And, over there <------------------------------ what's up with questioning McCain's eyes blinking. You guys are trying to find ANYTHING to grasp at and have this wonderful imagination as to WHY his eyes blink. Now it's why he can't use the computer...the computer screen bothers him. C'mon.
I didn't see the cartoon posted here about Obama shining McCain's shoes. Since ya'll took it the wrong way it was deleted. It think as women you can treat Palin with some respect even if you do not agree with her policies, or, in your views, her intellect. Are you a governor? I don't think she was elected because she was a nim-wit (word?). Was it you, ladysuz, that thanked Paulette (I think it was Paulette) for deleting it. Did anyone say over there <--------------- that Paulette deleted it due to your feeling it was racist?
I will tell you something. I AM NOT A RACIST. I do not think any woman on this republican thread is racist. The reason I'm not voting for Obama is not because of his skin color. If that were the case I wouldn't vote for McCain. I like tanned men. And, I'm a bit tired of ya'll (southern) having him almost dead. Hell, my mom is 91 yo and in a nursing home. She may not be doing well, but she's alive. I'm making up a new word...AGEIST...that means you guys are against OLD people!
No, I'm not being rational. After watching so much crap on TV my rationale has left. But I still know who I'm voting for....the old man who is wise and has character and good judgment and warned us about this crisis while you're man didn't do anything but take money from them.
The nice thing about us is you democrats are welcome to post here where we are not welcome to post over there <----------------------------------------------------------------------! God forbid!
Shirley
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Susfive, for some reason that video has been taken down.
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Nicki...luv ya! And, you need to share those great Italian recipes. YUM!
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Damn, I wish I could find a pic of Obama with a cig hanging out his mouth. <------------------- over there someone just posted a very ugly pic of McCain. And, according to how I read that post it was the repubs fault that this didn't get passed and that the repubs were not going to gain the WH in November. What about the 90+ dems that didn't vote for this bill. Chicken Sh!+$!
Shirley
Can you tell I'm angry? I hope not. Anger is not purtty. I think I'll go beat up my husband. Can't beat on my little furbabies!
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no disrespect intended, just providing answers to this question as i too wondered where it came from.
<<0% down and interest only mortgages - who thought up that >>
Bush seeks to increase minority homeownership
By Thomas A. Fogarty, USA TODAY
In a bid to boost minority homeownership, President Bush will ask Congress for authority to eliminate the down-payment requirement for Federal Housing Administration loans.
In announcing the plan Monday at a home builders show in Las Vegas, Federal Housing Commissioner John Weicher called the proposal the "most significant FHA initiative in more than a decade." It would lead to 150,000 first-time owners annually, he said.
Nothing-down options are available on the private mortgage market, but, in general, they require the borrower to have pristine credit. Bush's proposed change would extend the nothing-down option to borrowers with blemished credit.
In the proposal soon to be delivered to Congress, Bush would allow the FHA to guarantee loans for the full purchase price of the home, plus down-payment costs. As a practical matter, the FHA would guarantee mortgages as high as 103% of the value of the underlying property.
Weicher says the change is aimed at potential home buyers whose credit excludes them from the private mortgage market. Borrowers would need sufficient income to meet monthly payments. But, he said, the plan would eliminate the single largest impediment to homeownership for millions of households - lack of money for a down payment...
FHA loans carry higher risks of delinquency and foreclosure than do private mortgages, and the proposed change presumably will lead to greater losses to the government than the current program does.
Weicher said the added risk will be offset by higher fees charged to borrowers who opt to make no down payment.
On a $100,000 mortgage with an interest rate of about 6%, the nothing-down borrower could expect closing costs $750 higher than other FHA customers. Monthly house payments would be slightly higher.
Mortgage analyst Keith Gumbinger of financial publishers HSH Associates says the Bush plan "would fill at least a small niche in the mortgage market" - first-time buyers with somewhat impaired credit.
Affordable-housing advocate Scott Syphax, CEO of Nehemiah Corp., called the proposal "revolutionary." It marks the clearest official acknowledgment that millions of potential homeowners are being blocked by high down-payment costs, he says.
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Shirley, in the picture BO was shining Palins shoes...high heels, not McCains. SSDD where they are concerned over there <--------------------------------------------, if all else fails just claim racism, for me though too worn out to argue the point, I know where I stand and why and don't have to prove anything to anyone!
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A little enlightenment regarding the vote...........
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This is for the Texas gals from one of your own:
Is This What We Want? by Rep. Louie Gohmert (more by this author) Posted 09/29/2008 ET
Updated 09/29/2008 ETOn Friday, September 19, rank and file Republican members of Congress were notified of a conference call that would include Treasury Secretary Henry Paulson, and Fed Chairman Ben Bernanke. I would never disclose confidences, but it is quite public now that we were told an economic disaster was about to take this country that could be worse than the crash of 1929.
Now, that's a real attention-getter. It sure got mine.
My years as a judge force me to demand factual evidence to support expert opinions. The factual evidence was then and is now less than satisfactory. Yes, credit was becoming a real problem. Yes, there were major banks in trouble, but those were investment bankers, not the bedrock community bankers who for the most part have done fairly well since the 1980's about having better security for their loans. (It is also public record that I did outside counsel work back in the 80's for both the FDIC and the RTC, so I was familiar with problems then, and telltale signs of problems now.)
It was clear to Secretary Paulson that something had to be done immediately so that we could pass it on Monday or Tuesday at the latest to inject $700 billion into the banking system. That would be done by having the federal government purchase mortgage backed securities from the ailing big-boy-banks.
Despite Republicans' losses in 2006, the core of a staunchly conservative House remained fairly intact. The Republican Study Committee remained at the heart of that core with an even stronger heartbeat. Our group was taken aback by Secretary Paulson and Chairman Bernanke's pronouncement of impending doom and that there was no cure like a federal cure.
I've not been in Washington all that long but one adage I've learned is that, "No matter how cynical you get, it is never enough to catch up."
We were and are incredulous. How could this happen? Where were the safeguards? Why did no one in authority see this coming? The Secretary and Chairman had about 45 minutes to share with us, but there were so many in the queue that we continued the conversation even after they left for another 45 minutes. The rank and file were not going to be forced into the biggest move to socialism in US economic history without some substantial proof of the necessity. We did not want to see economic devastation in America. But many of us -- then and many times since -- asked that we be given more to go on.
Obviously, Republicans did not bite and swallow that whole load by Monday the 22nd, but there were lots of phone lines buzzing and emails racing across America by then.Monday came and went without the financial earthquake, but there were meetings, discussions, arguments. The Republican House and Senate leaders were on record as saying basically, we were going to have to bite the bullet and just do it to save the country. The House Republican masses were not convinced. The great thing about John Boehner is that he does listen. When there was massive unrest nearing revolt, he got the message and became a good messenger.
That Monday, I heard that Democrats were meeting at 2 pm and open to Republicans attending who did not like the Treasury's proposal. I went. It was a bit surreal, but as a staunch conservative I was sharing dismay and disdain with people like Brad Sherman, Lloyd Doggett, Rush Holt, Bobby Scott, who for some reason are fairly skeptical of most anything the Administration proposes. We actually agreed on something: that one really shouldn't just come in and demand $700 billion to throw at a problem when, for all we knew, the recipient Treasury Department may have had some culpability in creating the problem.
We had an emergency RSC meeting at 5:30 pm before first votes of the week at 6:30. We were of one accord. We wanted to see that free market approaches were tried, that some appropriate oversight be imposed. This terrible crisis could also be an incredible opportunity to show the world that entrepreneurial capitalism, properly pursued, could be the greatest solution to the worst economic problem. Yet, here, our own administration's Treasury Secretary was pushing us to have the federal government go into business as the biggest asset management firm in America. Why?
As the great Robert Novak reported in October 2007, "...the former Goldman Sachs CEO does not act or sound much like a conservative Republican to the GOP remnant at the Treasury. "It's not in Hank Paulson's DNA," one official told me. Is he loyal to Bush? "Hank is for Hank," he replied."
Secretary Paulson had said that it might take 10-20 years to hold the assets before they achieved their appropriate value. Only the federal government had the patience, America was told, to manage these assets correctly! The federal government can't even keep the same tax incentives in place for 2 years in a row. Congress often changes its mind and so do administrations. Why should we believe this is going to work?
Our Monday night bipartisan Prayer Caucus kicked in overdrive to pray for wisdom and protection for the country. Tuesday, brought another Republican Conference, but this time with the Vice-President and some reinforcements to peddle the bigger government concept.
The administration tells us that the government is going to make money for the taxpayers on this deal. Really? I think, by most measures, that is called socialism. It has failed every time it has been tried. Capitalism fails when it evolves toward socialism. I would defy anyone to show me a financial deal in which the federal government bought property cheaper from a ready willing and able seller or sold property for more than a ready, willing and able seller could have than a private entity.
Any time the government says it is going to make you money with your tax money, then it has decided to compete with businesses.
In the former Soviet Union, all money was supposed to go to the government and all were supposed to get their checks from the government. That always fails. It did for the New Testament church until Paul said if you don't work, you don't eat. It also failed for the Pilgrims who finally had to issue the same order to keep from starving.
Many have demanded to know why the Treasury did not see this coming. The answer: we DID see it coming for over a year. We have been working on this solution all this time. Now, that to me is as scary as the threatened problem!
They had a year to work on it and this is the best they can do?
It is true that as major investment banks go down, all those who have their stock and have invested in them get hurt. But, when we were told early last week that if we did not act immediately, the big banks would fail followed by the rest of the country and it would be disastrous. I am at least glad at that this weekend they have downgraded the financial hurricane from a "Category 5" catastrophe to a tropical storm recession if we don't act.
When we were told "depression", many of us wanted to know who would fail. We were told they were household name banks. Give us a name. Ok, Washington Mutual and when the first one goes, it will be too late. The dominoes would begin to fall and it would be too late to save anything. The Titanic would be sinking and couldn't be salvaged.
Well, guess what? Washington Mutual failed Thursday night, and people who had accounts there now have JP Morgan as their named bank. The stock market noticed, but life still went on Friday. The result was not quite as cataclysmic as we were first told.
The judge in me likes to know who the witness's friends are to help judge credibility. Yes, they would be those investment bankers whose stock will be $0 if the US doesn't pay them billions for their valued down MBS's but will still be the elite of New York if we do.And there are some problems within the problem that no one seems to be discussing. For example, remember the public clamor over Bank of America doing commercials in Spanish and seeming to invite illegal aliens to come let them help give accounts or loans? Well, there are reportedly lots of illegal alien mortgages in the mix, but no one seems able to say quite how many.
Some of the potential House Republican solutions proposed to help deal with the credit crisis included:
- providing government-backed insurance to cover the mortgage-based securities to give comfort to potential buyers in the private sector;
- eliminating any capital gains tax or income tax on any income derived from those purchased assets;
- We had also been advised that there may be hundreds of billions of American owned dollars in foreign banks. We would offer "repatriation" incentives to bring that money into the U.S. to buy the ailing MBS's because there would be no tax, no fines, no penalties on any of that repatriated money if it was used to buy those assets; and
- We also would open the OCS and ANWR immediately to leasing which would produce billions in lease payments and bonuses that could be pay-for with cash now, and not taxpayers' cash, not our great, great grandchildren's cash either.
In addition, some of us proposed to allow people to use Net Operating Losses (NOL) clear back ten years to jump start building and buying to ease the economy forward. Conservative, free market thinkers would have been so proud to know of all the suggestions that were put out on the table. Mainly they were great suggestions because they came from outside Congress as we talked to people outside the beltway and outside Wall Street.
If Speaker Pelosi gets 100 Republicans to vote for this (which as of this writing is supposed to happen today), then that allows the Democrats 60 vulnerable Members with lots of other Democrats who wish to vote against it and they will be able to survive in November. The Democratic voters will be quite forgiving, if there is even anything to forgive, for expanding government in such vast extremes.
Republican voters will not forgive. They will hold it against most all of the 100 and throw them out this year or in the next election figuring even a Democrat will not do that to them again. It is a brilliant political move for the Democrats. They don't need political cover, but, hey, the Republicans seemed to buy it so why shouldn't the Democrats use it?
After the meeting in the White House with the Presidential candidates, it was reported falsely that there was -- before the meeting -- a basic deal. Those reports were obviously contrived so the Democrats could say Sen. John McCain blew it up by coming back. There was no deal. The reports of the early deal were just as truthful as when Rep. Barnie Frank said a few years ago that Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac were solid and we didn't need reforms nor did we need to worry. He was wrong then too.
What was not initially reported is that everyone spoke at the meeting. When it was McCain's turn last, everyone anticipated him reaching across the aisle so he could claim he was a peace-maker and got a deal, no matter how bad it was for conservatives or American in general.
All the reports I heard said that the meeting broke down with loud yelling and that McCain never really said much during the whole meeting. That is true, but what he did say was that the "...House Republicans are right on this one."
All heck broke loose! The Democrats expected him to be political; not principled. How could he disappoint them? But McCain did disappoint: the Democrats, not the Republicans.
OK, I haven't really discussed the President's role in all of this. Understand: he is very smart; one of the wittiest, most likeable people you could ever be around. He suffers from a couple of problems. One is that he speaks like a Texan and, as Jeff Foxworthy says, "When people hear you have a southern accent, they immediately deduct 50 IQ points from how smart they think you are."
President Bush just believes his friends would not ever manipulate him (at least he doesn't until they write a book and prove that they would and did.) He believes what Sec. Paulson and his minions have told him. But it should be noted that after the President's address on television, there were a number of us -- led by Rep. Thad McCotter who believed we should be entitled to a Republican response.
So, there you have it. Pray for our nation. May God help us all.Louie Gohmert, a Republican, has represented the First Congressional District of Texas in the U.S. House of Representatives since 2005. -
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Susie
IThat was a great explanation of who voted no and why(the audio link above. It goes along with what I posted above. Pelosi wants to see the republicans take the fall for voting yes but not the dems. She is putting politics ahead of the country. This woman is evil! If the dems do not dump her, they will go down with her. Let's hope!!!
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Guess what! I just had to come back and say I can't stand Pelosi! And I'm tired of hearing pundits...Kerry's one of them...say if the republicans had their feelings hurt....... copying Barney's statement about hurt feelings. He should have gone to his dems and asked if their feelings were hurt. I'm sure he could have changed their minds to vote for the bill.
Yep, Susie, that was a good link.
Good night.
I should change my signature to... I CAN'T STAND PELOSI!
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Nancy "Stretch" Pelosi managed to stop the bailout package with her nasty little speech. Perhaps the bill isn't right---yet, but the fact that she blamed it on the Republicans is so......Pelosi.
Where was Senator Obama in 2005? As far as I can see, he has been campaigning since the last Democratic Convention in 2004. He and his wife have had no presence at all in Washington.
Meanwhile, where are impartial journalists? Barbara Walters doesn't even pretend anymore. I did love Amy Poehler's vapidly blank stares as Katie-Hatie Couric on SNL.........
I printed out our investment portfolio fromYahoo, and said to DH, "It's in very fine print so you won't notice the missing numbers."
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