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  • FEB
    FEB Member Posts: 552
    edited October 2008

    Summer.  I wish Americans were as diligent about digging up the facts as  you are. Can we trade you for a dem? I know plenty I could send North. Maybe a little time in the deep freeze will make them wake up! LOL

    anneshirley,  I don't agree that Palin should drop out. I don't blame her for not wanting to do the media interviews because she is treated so unfairly. She did good in the debates in AK when she was targeted also, so maybe she will do better when she is allowed to be herself.

    I checked in ------------------------------------>. What is going on there??? People are really getting nasty! I do not understand the people who want us to stop talking politics. Maybe after the election, we should rename our thread "Cooking up trouble".

    I went to a home improvement show and was talking to a guy about solar because I eventually want to convert my house. I have radiant heat so my house will cost me nothing to heat if I can get the solar installed. (For what I spent on medical bills last year, I could have had the cadillac of systems). It is interesting that Summer's article was about the dems always blocking energy bills because of the environmentalists. I have not gone to any of the local organziations that are pushing solar because they are so radical. They cannot believe that a republican is interested. But the point I wanted to bring up is what happened to Clinton's famous 1 million roofs! Just another one of those campaign promises the dems like to come up with and then never follow through on. Obama has made all these problems and he won't follow through on any of them.  He did nothing to make Chicago schools better, now he wants the federal goverment to get involved!  I just get so mad at how much the media ignores this stuff. As I said, if McCain wins it will be a miracle with the press cheering every step the One takes.

    I heard today that Rezco is singing. He will most defintely will take down Gov Blag, and we will see how much he sings about Obama. I sure hope they get facts out of him. I still cannot believe that Obama stood up there and talked about what great judgement he had by opposing the war, and no one holds him accountable for the company he keeps. Yeah, his judgement is great isn't it!!!

  • Paulette531
    Paulette531 Member Posts: 738
    edited September 2008

    Some humor...got this in an email!

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  • FEB
    FEB Member Posts: 552
    edited October 2008

    Paulette, You are going to grief for that one. Remember you can make fun of Sarah Palin, but don't you dare make fun of the One.

    Thought you might all enjoy this, sent to me by a friend:

    Written by an Australian Dentist:
    To Kill an American   You may have missed this in the rush of news, but there was actually a report that someone in Pakistan had published in a newspaper, an offer of a reward to anyone who killed an American, any American.   So an Australian dentist wrote an editorial the following day to let everyone know what an American is.  So they would know when they found one.  (Good one, mate!!!!)    An American is English, or French, or Italian, Irish, German, Spanish, Polish, Russian or Greek.  An American may also be Canadian, Mexican, African, Indian, Chinese, Japanese, Korean, Australian, Iranian, Asian, or Arab, or Pakistani or Afghan.   An American may also be a Comanche, Cherokee, Osage, Blackfoot, Navaho, Apache, Seminole or one of the many other tribes known as native Americans.   An American is Christian, or he could be Jewish, or Buddhist, or Muslim.  In fact, there are more Muslims in America than in Afghanistan ..  The only difference is that in America, they are free to worship as each of them chooses.   An American is also free to believe in no religion.  For that he will answer o nly to God, not to the government, or to armed thugs claiming to speak for the government and/or for God.
       
    An American lives in the most prosperous land in the history of the world. The root of that prosperity can be found in the Declaration of Independence, which recognizes the God given right of each person to the pursuit of happiness. An American is generous. Americans have helped out just about every other nation in the world in their time of need, never asking a thing in return. When Afghanistan was over-run by the Soviet army 20 years ago, Americans came with arms and supplies to enable the people to win back their country!   As of the morning of September 11, Americans had given more than any other nation to the poor in Afghanistan.  Americans welcome the best of everything...the best products, the best books, the best music, the best food, the best services. But they also welcome the least. The national symbol of America, The Statue of Liberty, welcomes your tired and your poor, the wretched refuse of your teeming shores, the homeless, tempest tossed.  These in fact are the people who built America.   Some of them were working in the Twin Towers the morning of September 11 , 2001 earning a better life for their families.  It's been told that the World Trade Center victims were from at least 30 differe nt countries, cultures, and first languages, including those that aided and abetted the terrorists.   So you can try to kill an American if you must.  Hitler did.  So did General Tojo, and Stalin, and Mao Tse-Tung, and other blood-thirsty tyrants in the world.  But, in doing so, you would just be killing yourself,  because Americans are not a particular people from a particular place.  They are the embodiment of the human spirit of freedom.   Everyone who holds to that spirit, anywhere, is an American.  

  • Paulette531
    Paulette531 Member Posts: 738
    edited September 2008

    Linda, someone over there ----------------------------------------------> already said she had a gut "racist" feeling when she saw it. Some of the cartoons posted over there ---------------------------------> could be misconstrued as well but I forgot Repubs are staid, have no sense of humor and live to annoy democrats! And no matter what, are racists! Anyway, my PSYCH cognition class starts tomorrow so will have to concentrate on that!

  • Paulette531
    Paulette531 Member Posts: 738
    edited September 2008

    Ladysuz...have you ever heard the saying, "you're not smart enough to shine my shoes"...or the baseball guy who said..."kid, you're too small. You ought to go out and shine shoes"? But, tell you what if it offends you that much, I will delete it! Not a problem...and over there ---------------------------> would you please have them stop making sexist remarks about Palin, like calling her a vagina, etc. etc. etc.? Ooops, forgot to say thank you!

  • Daffodil
    Daffodil Member Posts: 829
    edited October 2008
  • Rosemary44
    Rosemary44 Member Posts: 2,660
    edited September 2008

    Not for nothing, but aren't the arrows going in the wrong direction?  Shouldn't they be pointing left?  <---------------------far left?

    Anyway, I'm not concerned about what happens Thursday with the Sarah/Joe debate.  No matter what Sarah says, even if she is brilliant, she will be destroyed by the press within minutes after the debate has ended.  I'm sure Cafferty of CNN already has his criticisms written.  He'll just need to fill in the blanks.

    No one is going to change their minds about who to vote for.  It will all come down to 4 things in my mind:

    1. Spending: who has the most plans for more spending, or who will be our watchdog against outrageous spending.  

    2.  The war: who will do a better job of ending the war in a responsible way. 

    3. Drilling:  And who is for or against drilling.  

    4. Taxes:  Who has the better plan? 

    I was wondering why Ireland did so well in getting businesses over to their country.  11%  business tax rate will do that everytime.  I wonder if they have any unemployment issues?

    One Senator out there suggested we cut capital gains taxes to zero for the next 2 years to get our economy back on track.  Obama wants to up them further then what they are today.  Hmmm.

  • Daffodil
    Daffodil Member Posts: 829
    edited October 2008

    Rosemary, you must be a Democrat Wink~~~to figure out that we "Repugs" can't even point our arrows in the right direction!!! Embarassed  The patronizing disdain of the media and the internet forums is getting hard to take. (As well as the "ladies" of the View; I must stop taping this show. Nothing much fun there anymore.)

    Do only stupid Republicans cook???? Or are we just easily distracted from political rhetoric? There must be a chocolate truffle nearby.......

  • Rosemary44
    Rosemary44 Member Posts: 2,660
    edited September 2008

    No problems at Freddie and Fannie per the Dems:

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_MGT_cSi7Rs&feature=email

    I don't know the date of this hearing.  This would be funny to watch them all singing the praises of those who done us in if it wasn't such a serious matter before us today.

  • Rosemary44
    Rosemary44 Member Posts: 2,660
    edited September 2008

    Pansy,

    Well someone had to do the dirty deed, I guess it should be me.  Arrows left ladies.  We are on the right of issues (in more ways then one). 

  • FEB
    FEB Member Posts: 552
    edited October 2008

    <------------------------------------- it is. What a great idea Rosemary. Why didn't we think of that before?

    Isn't it sickening how Dodd and Pelosi are all over the TV, acting like they are the heroes here? I have not seen anything in the mainstream media talking about Dodd and Obama connection to Fannie and Freddie. How much money their campaigns are getting. Did you see the Hannity report about the CEO's from Freddie, who are Obama advisor's? I have to look up their names, because I can never remember names, but one guy made 90 million! And Obama goes out and complains about CEO pay, then hires them!!! He is such a hypocrite!

    I am sitting here watching GMA. Stephonopoulas(sp) is dissing Palin and repeating that McCain lost the debate. Of course, people think McCain lost the debate, the media was out right afterwards TELLING everyone he lost the debate. Of course this is what people will believe. No one brings up the fact that the debate was more about the economy than defense as it was supposed to be, and I do think McCain let Obama talk more. Look at all the times he interrupted. And McCain did not hit back on some of the issues. I do not know why he did not explain more why he stopped his campaign to go to DC. Blount said that without McCain, the dems would have run right over the repbulican objectors to the bail out plan. Of course, the dems are saying he did nothing, as the press is, so it all looks like a stunt, which has resulted in the poll decline. Palin had better come out swinging Thursday. The press is out to slay her. They are foaming at the mouth, waiting to sink their teeth into her. I am so disgusted. I just hope McCain can really show some contrast in his positions so that people will see how much they differ.

    Sing Rezko Sing!!!

  • FEB
    FEB Member Posts: 552
    edited October 2008
  • pinoideae
    pinoideae Member Posts: 1,271
    edited September 2008

    CBC apologizes for column maligning Sarah Palin

      

    The Canadian Press

    September 29, 2008 at 6:08 AM EDT

    TORONTO - The CBC has issued an apology and retraction for posting a controversial online column by freelancer Heather Mallick about Republican vice-presidential candidate Sarah Palin earlier this month.

    Following 300-plus complaints from readers, and attacks from Canadian and American media organizations, including Fox News, publisher John Cruickshank said the public broadcaster had erred in its editorial judgment and should never had been posted.

    In an online statement, Mr. Cruickshank said reaction to the column has caused the CBC to institute new editing procedures that will ensure inappropriate work won't appear.

    "We are open to contentious reasoned argument but not to partisan attack," he said in a statement posted on the broadcaster's website.

    Despite the vitriolic response to Ms. Mallick's Sept. 5 piece, "A Mighty Wind Blows Through the Republican Convention," the CBC had initially stood by the article and said it wouldn't remove it from its website.

    In the article, Ms. Mallick said Ms. Palin appeals to "the white trash vote" with her "toned-down version of the porn actress look."

    Vince Carlin, the broadcaster's ombudsman who was later asked to assess the offending article, determined many of Ms. Mallick's assertions lacked a basis in fact.

    "Mallick's column is a classic piece of political invective," Mr. Cruickshank agreed. "It is viciously personal, grossly hyperbolic and intensely partisan."

    In the wake of her column, Ms. Mallick has said she's faced a slew of abusive comments. She was called a "pig" by a Fox News anchor and branded an insane Pakistani Muslim on Fox message boards.

    She has also received threatening e-mail, some of which include anti-Semitic slurs - despite the fact she's neither Jewish nor Muslim.

    Ms. Mallick has never expressed apologies for her column, and had one week ago lauded the CBC for supporting her right to expression.

    Partly in response the outcry, Mr. Cruickshank said CBCNews.ca has plans to soon expand the diversity of voices and opinions expressed online "to better reflect the depth and texture of this country."

  • pinoideae
    pinoideae Member Posts: 1,271
    edited October 2008
  • pinoideae
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  • pinoideae
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    edited October 2008
  • pinoideae
    pinoideae Member Posts: 1,271
    edited September 2008

    Tina Fey makes second SNL appearance as Gov. Palin  Tina Fey reprised her role as Sarah Palin on "Saturday Night Live," again appearing as the Republican vice presidential candidate in an opening sketch. Emmy-award winning Tina Fey reprised her role as Gov. Sarah Palin on Saturday Night Live. Emmy-award winning Tina Fey reprised her role as Gov. Sarah Palin on Saturday Night Live. Saturday night's show -- the third of the season for the NBC comedy program -- brought back the season premiere tandem of Fey and Amy Poehler, who opened the season with a memorable sketch featuring Fey as Palin and Poehler as Hillary Clinton.This time around, Poehler played CBS's Katie Couric, parodying the interview with Palin earlier this week. Poehler, though, mostly played straight man to Fey, who ratcheted up her performance of Sen. John McCain's running mate by satirizing her foreign affairs experience.When Poehler's Couric pushed Fey's Palin to specifically discuss how she would help facilitate democracy abroad, Fey gave in: "Katie, I'd like to use one of my lifelines. ... I want to phone a friend."When a confused Poehler informed her that that wasn't how the interview worked, Fey's Palin responded -- alluding to one of the governor's most quoted lines from the interview -- "Well, in that case, I'm just gonna have to get back to ya."Fey, a former cast member and head writer of "SNL," has seemingly been thrust back into regular appearances on the program despite her full-time gig with NBC's "30 Rock."She is widely considered to look like Palin, and "SNL" executive producer Lorne Michaels persuaded her to ride the show's hot hand. Her first appearance as the Alaskan governor two weeks ago was a huge hit, helping boost the premiere's ratings and garnering attention online.Fey wasn't the only former cast member who returned Saturday night. Chris Parnell came back to play presidential debate moderator Jim Lehrer in a sketch that parodied Friday night's contest between McCain and Democratic rival Barack Obama -- which occurred less than 27 hours earlier than the live "SNL" broadcast.The sketch mainly played up McCain's attempts to shake up the debate process, as Darrell Hammond's McCain urged his opponent to join him in "nude or seminude" town hall meetings.At the outset, Parnell announced: "Throughout the debate, I will urge you both to look at one another up to and beyond the point it becomes uncomfortable."

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  • pinoideae
    pinoideae Member Posts: 1,271
    edited October 2008
  • Beesie
    Beesie Member Posts: 12,240
    edited September 2008

    I'm not an economics expert by any means, but I don't agree that the bailout plan is subsidizing investors at taxpayer's expense.  I think that's how it's being presented but that's very simplistic and not wholly the truth.  The fact of the matter is that taxpayers - average American citizens -  have been major players in this crisis.  Yes, the banks provided easy credit, but it doesn't take a genius to know that if you earn $60k a year, you probably can't really afford a $600k house.  Similarly, it doesn't take a genius to know that if your debt significantly exceeds your income, you are living well beyond your means in a way that is not sustainable over the long-term.  While certainly not all taxpayers have participated in the creation of this crisis, a good percent have. 

    And now comes the problem.  The housing market declines, people default on the homes that they should never have bought in the first place, the banks take over the homes, they can't sell them and have to devalue them on their books, and this reduces the value of the banks' assets and ties up the banks' cash.  So now there is not enough money to loan businesses and the average American citizen (who still has piles of debt) and this stalls the American economy.  Since the American economy and American purchasing power fuels the world economy, this puts the entire world into financial crisis.  And it's all because there was too much easy credit provided to the average American citizen. 

    Investors are certainly impacted when the banks fail and when the economy stalls, but it wasn't the investors who created this crisis.  Did they benefit while all that easy credit was out there and the banks were growing?  Sure, but the average citizen benefitted too.   And it was the average citizen who actually was at the heart of the problem, not the greed of the investors.  This bailout is needed so that the banks can be relieved of this debt so that they can again make cash available to American businesses and American citizens.  This will benefit the average American.  And that will get the economy moving, which hopefully will drive confidence into the markets globally and stop the bleeding of the stock markets worldwide.  If this happens, investors will be saved from huge losses, although even if this happens, there likely will still be a recession or major slowdown, so investors certainly won't be 'winning' or making a whole lot on their investments.  They just won't be losing everything.  

    A couple of other points.  Let's remember who these 'investors' are.  It's the average citizen who put his retirement savings into mutual funds and the institutions that control the 401k funds of these average citizens.  If the market is not saved, everybody goes down.  Let's also remember that if executed properly, this bailout will be a loan, a loan that has the potential to pay out very well.  If the economy picks up and the housing market recovers - not to the old levels but better than it is today - the government has the opportunity to significantly profit from this loan. 

    A final point.  Despite everything I've said, I don't know that the bailout itself is what's necessary.  I just know that something has to be done.  A simpler approach might have been to change the regulation that required the banks to write down their assets to market value.  It's the devaluation of all this housing inventory that's driving the current crisis.  So I'm not necessarily supporting the bailout but I think it's wrong to suggest that everything is being done to help investors.  Investors aren't the cause of the problem and they aren't the beneficiaries of the solution.  They are the collateral damage in this whole thing.

  • pinoideae
    pinoideae Member Posts: 1,271
    edited October 2008
  • Anonymous
    Anonymous Member Posts: 1,376
    edited September 2008

    Guys, I have been busy so not here much.

    I, too, though have noticed how the LEFT people here, over on the other thread, have been using the word "vagina" to talk about Sarah Palin.  I find it quite odd for Amy to do this and yet I have seen it time and again to use this derogatory-speak against her. Regardless of whether or not we agree with another's political points of view does not mean it's ok to be tactless.  On the same par would be to refer to Obama as a "token black man" ... to mean that Obama is only there because he is black.  How stupid is that?  I don't like Obama but race has nothing to do with it just as I suppose the majority of Dems feel ...  we all feel like we have our BEST candidates up for nomination, not token personas.

    I am quite disturbed about the comedy sketches regarding Palin. Making fun of someone highlights purported  weaknesses.  I wish some unbiased news would be out to talk about strengths.

    And really, I am not tied to Palin. If McCain took her out to get a financial wizard on board, I'd be behind that.  

    What I don't understand is why the candidates don't tell us who their whole team is going to be. Like if McCain said he had Hillary or Bill on board to do something.  And that if he had Bloomberg on board to be in charge of some financial reform policies.  Why don't they tell us who they plan to have in their cabinet?  I think we would have a better idea of what you get if you knew who was going to be Secretary of Labor, Secretary of Defense, etc, etc. 

  • Anonymous
    Anonymous Member Posts: 1,376
    edited September 2008

    Beesie, you're right about the bailout ... I am in lending and we see the lenders have tightened up so as to batten down the hatches.  They are trying not to make loans while saying they are still there to support the economy ... but you can't blame them when you see investors pulling out their funds and old folks putting their cash back under the mattress.

  • pinoideae
    pinoideae Member Posts: 1,271
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  • FEB
    FEB Member Posts: 552
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  • Rosemary44
    Rosemary44 Member Posts: 2,660
    edited September 2008

    Linda,

    You can send whatever critters you'd like to Houston as long as they know how to swim.  I'm not pulling one more thing out of my pool.  If one goose came by we'd have it out of the sky in no time flat.  They seem to bypass us.

    For whatever this is worth, I heard on the radio that we are buying those mortgage securities at .65 cents on the dollar.  If that's still true, and we hold the securities, they'll have value in the future.  This is such a mess.

    Can someone explain to me why the congress has hearings if they're not going to pay attention to the whistle blowers who are coming in to give testimony?   This whole thing sickens me.  Then all I see is the democrats running to the mics to say, Obama really brokered the deal, from his cell phone, no less.  I can't do this anymore.  If people want to fall for that, then they deserve all the government they're about to pay for.  The problem is, we don't deserve this kind of lying democrat government.  We didn't put them there

    Anyway, Sarah is on Couric again this evening.  I will watch it. 

  • Paulette531
    Paulette531 Member Posts: 738
    edited September 2008

    Gawd, I hope we are not nursing squirrels! My back yard is full of them as well...do they make sguirrel away? Bo does a lot from his cell phone doesn't he? I think he brokered the deal from his cell phone proving he is capable of multi-tasking...good quality there!

  • Rosemary44
    Rosemary44 Member Posts: 2,660
    edited September 2008

    From what I'm hearing, the bill didn't pass because of Pelosi running her mouth about the Republicans being unpatriotic, and some other very unprofessional comments to the press about the Republicans.  I don't know if that is true, but considering the dems put us into this mess in the first place, they sure made a show of throwing blame on Bush, who asked 17 times for the congress to act on the cooking of the books at Freddie and Fannie.

    The dems are getting to the mics, and people are gullible.  There has to be some type of crap in that bill that will reward some earmark, or do something that isn't in our best interest coming from the dems.  I can't trust them anymore.  There's more to this.

  • FEB
    FEB Member Posts: 552
    edited October 2008

    Okay, girls if you won't take my critters, can you please at least send some of those gun totin' texas good ole boys my way. I will not tell them it is illegal to shoot those damn canadian geese. I will be glad to send them back home to you Summer, in body bags! They do have a lot of French restrurants in Quebec?? They outlawed fois gras in Chicago you know. It was too mean to eat them! You know it is okay in Chicago that teenagers shoot each other, but please be nice to the ducks! Remember the DUMBS run this town. I am looking out at the field across the street and they are leaving green poop everywhere. At least if the poop was pink, I could sell it on ebay to support breast cancer research. HMM maybe I should start feeding them some cotton candy?? Now my imagination is going wild. Can I bend those feathers, spray them pink, and shape them into a ribbon? Wow, I could make a fortune! Summer, they stay here all year! Only some of them fly north. I guess I am not far enough from Canada. LOL

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