Multitasking: Obama vs. McCain
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Summer, thanks for posting the article, and it's true in many ways, and I have the friends to prove it. I'll mention one in particular, a graduate of Harvard, who later attended Columbia for a master's but didn't graduate. She attended Harvard as so many did in former days because both her parents had also attended Harvard--much easier to get into if one parent is a graduate, guranteed to get in if both graduated.
When I met her she was 49, not particularly successful at her life's work and lived on money from her parents' estate and the occasional adjunct teaching position. She had actually trained her children to tell people that she had graduated from Harvard. It was rather interesting how they would work it into the discussion, egged on by their mother. It didn't matter to me where she had gone to school, I thought her an interesting, intelligent woman, but for her it was what defined her as a person. Essentially, the only thing she thought important about herself was her four years at Harvard; the rest, nearly 30 years, were of no value. And she was bringing up her children to feel the same. Her oldest daughter once told me that if she didn't get into Harvard, she'd commit suicide. I don't think she meant it--hope she didn't anyway, but how sad. She despised her father, a hotel clark, because he didn't have the right educational credentials. Yet he was a charming man and far better liked than her mother, and a good father as well. End of story.
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Interesting to me for the first time?...Canada and the U.S. elections are travelling under parellel tracks:
http://www.theglobeandmail.com/servlet/story/RTGAM.20080912.wcoessay0912/BNStory/specialComment/home
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"Sorry, but after watching two planes fly into the Sears Towers this is one voter who will NEVER put a Muslim in the white house!"
"Well If I am in error I would rather err on the side of my country's safety and either vote for McCain or not vote at all. Besides, this is a board for breast cancer issues and hot topics like religion and politics should probably be avoided."
Sears Tower? Its in Chicago and standing tall and strong as ever. Who is the Muslim you are referring to.
Its easy to avoid topics like religion and politics. Just avoid them and go to all the other wonderful threads that are availabe to you. JMO but I do believe the political arena is important to breast cancer survivors. If they start taxing my insurance, I dont know what I will do - as Im just making ends meet and my insurance costs are already high. That is one of the main reasons I dont like McCain. Giving the rich more tax relief, and taxing the average middle class American more.
Nicki
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Further to the "education comments," this is from Wikipedia:
Presidents who did not graduate from a four-year college:
- Andrew Jackson
- William Harrison (attended college but never received a degree)
- Zachary Taylor
- Millard Fillmore
- Abraham Lincoln
- Andrew Johnson
- Grover Cleveland
- Harry Truman – went to law school but did not receive a degree
I think the U.S. could have survived very easily without most of the above, but since Lincoln is considered our greatest president by most historians, it's a good thing the Fathers didn't write an educational requirement into the Constitution.
Some people believe that Truman was also a good president, but I think the world could easily have done without him, particularly those who were nuked (and for no good reason). Yes, I know none of you will agree iwth me on the latter statement. But it also would have saved us from his daughter Margaret's horribly written books.
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To clarify my previous post...I'm not saying don't talk about it. Talk all you want about politics, it's an election year and we all have opinons. But we have at least 4 threads going already on it on this forum..isn't that plenty? I just think some people like to see their name in print a bit too much.
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ScienceDaily (July 26, 2006) - Multi-tasking affects the brain's learning systems, and as a result, we do not learn as well when we are distracted, UCLA psychologists report this week in the online edition of Proceedings of the National Academy of Sciences.
"Multi-tasking adversely affects how you learn," said Russell Poldrack, UCLA associate professor of psychology and co-author of the study. "Even if you learn while multi-tasking, that learning is less flexible and more specialized, so you cannot retrieve the information as easily. Our study shows that to the degree you can learn while multi-tasking, you will use different brain systems.
"The best thing you can do to improve your memory is to pay attention to the things you want to remember," Poldrack added. "Our data support that. When distractions force you to pay less attention to what you are doing, you don't learn as well as if you had paid full attention."
Tasks that require more attention, such as learning calculus or reading Shakespeare, will be particularly adversely affected by multi-tasking, Poldrack said.
The researchers used functional magnetic resonance imaging (fMRI) to examine brain activity and function, a technique that uses magnetic fields to spot active brain areas by telltale increases in blood oxygen.
Participants in the study, who were in their 20s, learned a simple classification task by trial-and-error. They were asked to make predictions after receiving a set of cues concerning cards that displayed various shapes, and divided the cards into two categories. With one set of cards, they learned without any distractions. With a second set of cards, they performed a simultaneous task: listening to high and low beeps through headphones and keeping a mental count of the high-pitch beeps. While the distraction of the beeps did not reduce the accuracy of the predictions -- people could learn the task either way -- it did reduce the participants' subsequent knowledge about the task during a follow-up session.
When the subjects were asked questions about the cards afterward, they did much better on the task they learned without the distraction. On the task they learned with the distraction, they could not extrapolate; in scientific terms, their knowledge was much less "flexible."
This result demonstrates a reduced capacity to recall memories when placed in a different context, Poldrack said.
"Our results suggest that learning facts and concepts will be worse if you learn them while you're distracted," Poldrack said.
Different forms of memory are processed by separate systems in the brain, he noted. When you recall what you did last weekend or try to remember someone's name or your driver's license number, you are using a type of memory retrieval called declarative memory. (Patients with Alzheimer disease have damage in these brain areas.) When you remember how to ride a bicycle or how to play tennis, you are using what is called procedural memory; this requires a different set of brain areas than those used for learning facts and concepts, which rely on the declarative memory system. The beeps in the study disrupted declarative memory, said Poldrack, who also studies how the types of memory are related.
The brain's hippocampus -- a sea-horse-shaped structure that plays critical roles in processing, storing and recalling information -- is necessary for declarative memory, Poldrack said. For the task learned without distraction, the hippocampus was involved. However, for the task learned with the distraction of the beeps, the hippocampus was not involved; but the striatum was, which is the brain system that underlies our ability to learn new skills.
The striatum is the brain system damaged in patients with Parkinson disease, Poldrack noted. Patients with Parkinson's have trouble learning new motor skills but do not have trouble remembering the past.
"We have shown that multi-tasking makes it more likely you will rely on the striatum to learn," Poldrack said. "Our study indicates that multi-tasking changes the way people learn."
The researchers noted that they are not saying never to multi-task, just don't multi-task while you are trying to learn something new that you hope to remember. Listening to music can energize people and increase alertness. Listening to music while performing certain tasks, such as exercising, can be helpful. But tasks that distract you while you try to learn something new are likely to adversely affect your learning, Poldrack said.
"Concentrate while you're studying," he said.
The research is federally funded by the National Science Foundation (http://www.nsf.gov/) and the Whitehall Foundation (http://www.whitehall.org/).
Poldrack noted that other research shows that talking on the phone badly impairs the ability to drive a car.
Co-authors are Karin Foerde, a UCLA graduate student in psychology, and Barbara Knowlton, UCLA associate professor of psychology.
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Bugs--tut, tut! No one is asking you to read so I gather you're just posting to take potshots at me. Feel free but why not take some good ones. This one is a bit lame.
Thanks Paulette for post.
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Interesting and fairly simple explanation of the liquidity crisis below. Sorry couldn't pull down the author's name so my apologies to him
Yesterday in my classroom, I explained to my students the financial crisis that is occurring in the U.S. economy, and the Federal Government bailout bill that both houses of Congress are trying to agree on to save the economy. This is such a national crisis that our key government officials were working on this bill just late last night in hopes of agreeing to a bill this weekend before our economy potentially reaches a new level of recession.
Sooooo: Here is a simplified summary of what is happening in the US economy today relating to the “financial crisis”. I’m going to use simple example US Dollar numbers for you to explain what is happening, but the direction of the numbers is real and the simplicity will really get you to understand the real problem at hand and what the Government is proposing to do to fix it.
Here we go:
Gigantic U.S. financial institutions such as AIG, Fannie Mae, Freddie Mac, Lehman Brothers, & Merrrill Lynch all have the SAME problem: They are holding $100 in a “paper asset” that they invested in called mortgage-related securities. These same financial institutions also have debt of $60 of which the lenders of the $60 all have legal collateral on the $100 of mortage-related securities. Since many U.S. homeowners are not paying or are unable to pay their home mortgage (loan) payments, the Government’s (SEC) accounting rules require that these same financial institutions write their mortgage-related securities down from a value of $100 to a value of $40. This reduction in asset value causes a reported loss of $60 and is frightening the lenders as the shrinking value of their collateral (securities) has fallen below the debt repayment amount causing the lenders, per the legal debt agreement, to demand immediate payment from the financial institutions.
Thus, these large financial institutions do not currently have or carry enough cash or other assets on hand to pay off the lenders since no one will buy the falling securities they hold because other potential buyers do not trust their market value. Thus, these large financial institutions are currently screwed and are said to be in a “liquidity” (cash) crisis, and they certainly have no cash to lend to small businesses or households. The financial institutions are said to be “freezing up” and they are stopping their loans to businesses and households. Thus, it is really difficult for “main street” (you and me) to get a loan today at most banks.
In steps Hank Paulson (U.S. Treasury Secretary) and Ben Bernanke (Chairman of our Nation’s Bank, the “FED”), the President, and the U.S. Congress to try to avert a deep recession or depression, because if the banking system fails, then the economy is thought to quickly fail.
Using the same example numbers above to explain, the Government plan or “Paulson Plan” (backed fully by Bernanke) proposes for the Government to pay an estimated $70 to the financial institutions to purchase the mortgage-related securities from the financial institutions even though the securities have been written down by the accounting rules to a value of $40. It appears, on the surface, that the Government may be overpaying ($70 payment for new value of asset at $40) but most economists and accountants say the accounting rules have resulted in too much of a write down and the real economic value (ie, cash collection of the mortgage security) is probably $70 -$90 out of the $100, which will cause the government to either lose a little on the bailout or perhaps nothing on the deal. Glen Hubbard, a noted and respected economist said on a talk show yesterday that the average American does not understand what is really happening and incorrectly believes that the Government is spending $700B that will be “billed” to the tax payer, but, in reality, the $700B is expected to be recovered by the Government as the Government collects on their newly purchase securities from the financial institutions.
In summary, the Government (Paulson Plan) is proposing that the American tax payer put their money at risk with an “investment” (not an expense) by swapping Government (taxpayer) cash for an asset (mortgage-related securities) that the Government will recoup the cash through collection, freeing up the financial institutions by giving them $70 in cash for an accounting asset worth $40. Many say the original crisis was started by accounting rules, which is only a partial reason. The main reason is lack of regulation on asset-debt ratios and other similar requirements. Increased regulation will result from this improper risk taking by large financial institutions so that it doesn’t happen but that doesn’t help us at the present moment since the damage has already been done.
Of course, only time will tell how much the proposed bailout will really cost the tax payer. Also, it is possible that before the bill is passed, the Paulson Plan may look a lot different than what is explained above. Stay Tuned!!!!!!
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I never said a formal education was everything. In fact, I stated that at the end of my post. Real world experience and common sense often go far to over-ride education.
Reminds me of that old joke: "What do you call the guy who graduated last in his class in medical school? Doctor."
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I've fallen down the rabbit hole and can't get out! The Democrats are not only Bush's main ally in giving Wall Street $700 billion they did absolutely nothing to prevent the following, just reported on:
Senate sends $612 billion defense bill to Bush
1 hour ago
WASHINGTON (AP) — Troops would get a pay raise in a defense bill that Congress sent President Bush on Saturday. Even before passage, lawmakers had backed away from an election-season showdown with the administration over Iraq.
Legislation approved by a voice vote in the Senate would increase pay by 3.9 percent, extend bonuses and provide money for family housing, tuition assistance and other programs.
The bill, which maps $612 billion in defense spending next year, shows how lawmakers would rather go home and campaign than wage a prolonged battle in Washington with Bush over Iraq policy.
In the end, House-Senate bargainers dropped several provisions he opposed. Eliminated was language barring private interrogators from U.S. military detention facilities and giving Congress a chance to block a security pact with Iraq.
The legislation also lacks a call for a U.S. troop withdrawal from Iraq — something Democratic presidential candidate Barack Obama long has called for and Republican nominee John McCain has opposed.
The bill envisions nearly $70 billion for U.S. operations in Iraq and Afghanistan, and requires more information on contractors with projects in Iraq. It also paves the way for Bush's plan to build an anti-missile system in Eastern Europe, a proposal strongly opposed by Russia.
The House approved the bill overwhelmingly on Wednesday. Bush is expected to sign the measure.
Me again: So we will go ahead with a missle system that will no doubt lead to a reopening of the cold war, that will lose us allies in Europe, again, and we will continue to pour money into Iraq, and we will also continue to countenance the torture of prisoners, and all with the blessings of the Democrats. I didn't watch the debate last night (I've had a bad stomach so knew better), but I'll bet there was no discussion of this. On Monday, I'll buy myself a large blue hair ribbon as it appears I'll be down in this rabbit hole for a long while to come.
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Anneshirley,
Okay please dont take this the wrong way because I am really not trying to be rude. But as I read this thread by accident I became very irritated. I have felt like this is a peaceful site that we can come to and get direction and encouragement. It's a support resource. So why are we bringing politics into this BREAST CANCER forum?? There are many political sites to post on about Obama and McCain. The whole McCain and Obama issue is a sure way to get blood boiling because we all have different views. I just dont see the connection between politics and a breast cancer forum. I thought our common goal on THIS site was to support and help eachother through this breast cancer journey not start a topic that causes division amongst this breast cancer community. Sorry
Tracey
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While I may disagree with some of what AnneShirley has to say, I still respect her as a member of this community.
This forum is the MOVING BEYOND forum. It's a place we come to help us move into the regular world, while still connecting with the women that were our lifelines while we were going through treatment.
We speak about a lot of things in this forum, from fashion to makeup to politics to children to pets... it goes on and on.
It's a place you can post and even though breast cancer is looming on the back or side burner, you just feel safe here.
Politics and religion are heated subjects. We are sll so different, and passionate about our beliefs.
However, when push comes to shove, and if something were to happen, and I had a scare, or an exam or a test, I can say that people who post on the McCain thread, or on threads that I dislike, would still be there for me.
Breast Cancer brought us together. A lot of us wouldn't look twice if we crossed paths in the street, yet here we are.
So Tracey, I hope you understand that the moving beyond forum is a hodge podge of insight, laughter, and even some threads that cause you to stop and think.
This being an election year obviously is the reason we've got more political threads then ever.
But, as long as we respect bco's rules, if you don't like a thread, just don't read or post on it... forget it ever exists. Thats the great thing about having 50 forums to choose from on these boards.
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Well said Beth...moving beyond means everything that has to do with moving beyond, I just don't know why people don't get this.
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BethNY,
I realize there is life before and after breast cancer, and that there are other things going on in life besides breast cancer but I guess I am confused at the name of the site being breastcancer.org. Of course we talk about girly things on the site, because we are women. But politics has no place in a support forum. You and I can agree to disagree, and no worries I will not be back on this thread. Peace be with you.
Tracey
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Tracey,
I can only assume that you have not been reading here much, as there are at least a half dozen political threads on this board, some going back almost a year, and all of which get more posters and viewers than just about any of the other threads on this board. I suspect this means that many women on this board are interested in political topics and why shouldn't they be, as politics drives so many aspects of our lives, particularly those of us with cancer, such as health care, living wages, protections against discrimination, etc. And politics is never dull, which is another recommendation. More important for you, there are so many threads you can read and post to, that you needn't ever encounter any of the political threads if you choose not to (counting in my head I think there are nine political threads), so perhaps you really like the give and take (and the slinging of arrows), since you're doing it at the moment. As someone recently pointed out, the name of the topic is "Moving On" and when we discuss politics that's just what we're doing, moving on.
I can recommend some quiet threads to you though. There's one on cabin life, very nice, one on gardening, also very nice, and quite a few other calming threads you might want to investigate. Shirley, I hear, is thinking of startng a recipe thread. Am I being sarcastic?--of course! I dislike the disingenuous. You were too trying to be rude.
P.S. I just read Beth's and Paulette's responses, both of which were more polite than mine. Thanks both. I suppose I could have taken the high road but I'll blame a bad case of indigestion.
P.S. 2 Such a bummer. You mention McCain and Obama and I'm a supporter of Nader. Obviously, I'm not getting through!
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I've noticed that the closer we get to the elections the more heat we generate--we might serve as one of those alternate energy sources we keep hearing about. I'm wondering what we're all going to do on November 5. Someone quick, come up with an idea!
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Anneshirley,
It's amazing how salty we can get when we disagree with eachother. I am trying to make it through the whole breast cancer thing so there isnt much time for being rude and that is exactly why I said I am not trying to be rude. But because I disagreed with you that is how you chose to interpret it. I am not going to go back and forth with you but I hope that the next time some one disagrees with you that you will take their thoughts into consideration and respond a little less "sarcastic". We as grown women should be able to disagree peacefully. Take care
Tracey
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Beth says:
However, when push comes to shove, and if something were to happen, and I had a scare, or an exam or a test, I can say that people who post on the McCain thread, or on threads that I dislike, would still be there for me.
Aboslutely! No matter what our beliefs we're for any of our bc sisters. Nikki and I may disagree on politics, but I lover her to death! My dd disagrees with me, but I love her to death too! Of couse a mom has to love their child, right?
This is a passionate topic. Some of us get a little to passionate..like me...and have to restrain ourselves..take a step back when someone says something I totally disagree with. I try not to peek to often at the Obama thread because some things said over there makes me furious. I'm sure the things we say on the McCain thread makes them angry also. That's politics.
Shirley
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anneshirley wrote:
I've noticed that the closer we get to the elections the more heat we generate--we might serve as one of those alternate energy sources we keep hearing about. I'm wondering what we're all going to do on November 5. Someone quick, come up with an idea!
A recipe thread for the political junkies!
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Shirley, please start it. Until November 5 we might post political recipes: stick-to-the-bone recipes for debate watching, breakfast recipes for voting day, some anti-acid recipes for the losers. For sure, I'll need one of those. Seriously, it's a good idea. My husband is the cook in the family but I have a few recipes for dishes that are really good, especially for company. They make an impression as they seem to take longer than they actually do (Sneaky recipes for impressing guests!)
Tracy, I'd bet the house I can't sell because of this housing crisis that you'll peep in at least once more to see my response. So, here it is. Stay well, and vote Nader! (Couldn't resist the Nader plug!)
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Shirley, please start it. Until November 5 we might post political recipes: stick-to-the-bone recipes for debate watching, breakfast recipes for voting day, some anti-acid recipes for the losers. For sure, I'll need one of those. Seriously, it's a good idea. My husband is the cook in the family but I have a few recipes for dishes that are really good, especially for company. They make an impression as they seem to take longer than they actually do (Sneaky recipes for impressing guests!)
Tracy, I'd bet the house I can't sell because of this housing crisis that you'll peep in at least once more to see my response. So, here it is. Stay well!
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Tracey I add well wishes too while you kick some serious cancer ass... but how come we get to talk about girlie things, b/c we're girls, and not politics?
I'm inspired by these women, many of which are brighter than I. Many have lived WAY longer (no offense guys, just stating the facts tee hee) then I have, and I enjoy hearing about their political past, and why they vote the way they do-- I share in their lives by hearing their stories.
And double thanks to shirley H.- just proving my point. That in life, you are going to encounter people that absolutely feel, think, and react differentely then you do. That's what makes this incredible world go round. I am marrying a republican. I love him. And he loves me. But when we talk politics things get a little insane around the house.
Tracey, I guess also, that getting so heated, and excited about something other then cancer, feels really good too. I know you'll understand as you get further into the journey. Until then, we're all your sisters love us or hate us, and in the end, we're all in your corner.
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<<I'm wondering what we're all going to do on November 5.>>
reading about President-elect Barack Obama.
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Um, well, I'll be drinking if I'm not working (then, drinking afterwards) unless Nader wins!
AS, I thought long and hard today about your post and while I do agree with you about words and their (original?) meaning(s), remember that language (all languages, but especially the American version of English) is very fluid and will continue to change as long as there is spoken word.
(we'll have to discuss/debate this if/when we ever meet!)
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Nah...we will be celebrating McCains victory using Shirley's recipes while we read about how the election was rigged when Bo loses!
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Maybe we should come up with some drink recipes, with the losers drinking the concoction of the winner. Something with Hawaiian punch for Obama, an exotic rum drink for McCain (I think that would work as he was born in Panama), and a low calorie one for Nader (he's only on the ballot in 45 states). We could nurse our hangovers until the pain wears off!
I'm rather amazed that a one-off post on a word got so many people riled up. I should suggest to Nader that he try something similar, since the press refuses to acknowledge that he's even there!
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Different people have different opinions, that's not going to change. People with breast cancer are part of the world. I can't understand why someone who has or had breast cancer should stick to breast cancer topics only. Sure the site is called breastcancer.org, and yes there are 49 different topics. Breast cancer patients do vote.
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