Trip to Tijuana Mexico change my outlook forever
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I have to say that the above story is similar to the only knowledge I have of one of these clinics. A friend of my kindergarden aged son was dx with a brain tumour. After tx here was unsuccessful, they organized a function to raise money to take him to a clinic in Germany. He left Canada still healthy enough to play with friends and do everyday things. He spent 1 month in Germany, away from all his family except his mother who went with him. She said he underwent very painful experimental blood tx while there. He returned home barely able to stand and slept pretty much the entire time before he died, three days later. I vowed then that if that was my child, I would not drag them to a foreign place looking for some magical cure, robbing them of their family, pets, favorite things, friends and the security of home.
A few years later I was faced with the same situation. My daughter had gone through every possible tx for a very aggressive cancer and there was no more to be done. I wanted so badly to find that miracle for her but in my heart I knew that it wasn't to be, anywhere. She died surrounded by everything familiar to her, truly at peace with her fate and in charge of her own passing. After doing hospice work for several years, I saw that it was usually the family that wanted to continue at any cost even when the patient had accepted the reality of their situation.
I guess my hope is that people who do choose unconventional and unproven tx in other countries be aware of the reality. Yes, they could be the miracle but it is more likely that they will not. There are also miracle cures in traditional tx too. It is terrible to know that there are those out there who will and do prey on the desperation of the terminally ill. What I don't understand is, that if people are so skeptical of the medical profession, why are they not equally skeptical of the 'miracle cures'?
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Terribly sorry about your daughter PrettyPink. I hate the thought of cancer victims being taken in by these scamsters. here is an investigation from ABC some years ago:
http://findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_m0AYN/is_1_25/ai_n18614054
ABC investigates Tijuana clinics
NCAHF Newsletter, Jan_Feb, 2002 E_mail Print Link The ABC television program Primetime Thursday reported January 21st on its investigation of how representatives of Tijuana clinics that offer bogus treatments mislead people with cancer.
Senior correspondent Chris Wallace began the first of three program segments devoted to the investigation with the story of Sacramento television news anchor Patti Lynn Davis who was diagnosed with breast cancer at age 36. Davis decided to forego chemotherapy after having surgery. Instead she received a protocol of coffee enemas and a diet of fruits and vegetables. Only after she discovered that her cancer had spread Davis started chemotherapy, but it was too late. She died less than three years following her initial diagnosis.
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Laetrile _ Shorts Steven Rosenberg, MD, PhD, chief of Surgery Branch at the National Cancer Institute expressed his outrage about desperate people being exploited. Asked about "alternative" therapies as a public health problem. Rosenberg said: "When patients turn down treatments of known effectiveness to receive treatments that have very little chance of being [of] benefit, I see that as a major public health problem."
Primetime presented hidden_camera recordings of the sales pitches of several exhibitors at the 29th Annual Cancer Convention of the Cancer Control Society at a Los Angeles hotel in September. One exhibitor promoted a $500 trampoline to bounce on "to keep your immune system in good shape." Dr. Rosenberg said the exhibitor's claims were "very ridiculous." Another exhibitor claimed a 100% effective cure for pancreatic cancer, a disease that is almost always fatal. Loren Swenson, president of BioPulse International pitched a three week cancer treatment program of "insulin_induced hypoglycemic therapy" (i.e., daily comas) at a cost of $16,000. One exhibitor stated: "Chemotherapy has never cured anyone's cancer." Another exhibitor stated: "There has no been no appreciable, demonstrable help from chemotherapy since its inception." These statements are false. Commenting on the sales pitches, Dr. Rosenberg said: "A lot of it sounds like outright quackery."
"I wish the word `alternative" would go away," said Stephen Barrett, MD to Wallace who showed Dr. Barrett's Quackwatch home page. "It's quack cancer therapy." Asked why cancer attracts so many quacks, he responded: "Willie Sutton said that he robs banks because that's where the money is. If you want to make a lot of money doing quackery, you want to get the people who are desperate." Dr. Barrett demonstrated for Wallace the use of a gizmo called the "Zapper" that puts out a low level of current. He explained that promoters falsely claim the "Zapper" kills parasites in your body that they say cause the cancer. [Editor's note: A proposed stipulated Federal Trade Commission final judgment filed in December prohibits Marvin and Miguelina Beckwith of Seattle from making such unsubstantiated claims for the "Zapper Electrical Unit" and unsubstantiated claims for various herbal products.]
The second program segment was a report of a hidden_camera investigation of four of an estimated 50 clinics in Tijuana that promote dubious cancer treatments. Accompanied by two ABC staffers, a woman who has been cancer_free for eight years following breast cancer surgery and chemotherapy posed at the clinics as a breast cancer patient who was apprehensive about chemotherapy. The third program segment showed Wallace's attempts to follow_up on the hidden camera investigation and interview the clinic staff.
At the first clinic, Jorge Cardenas offered a three_week program of "electromagnetic therapy" for $15,000 to control cancer by changing the electric current in "cell walls." Asked if his program is more effective than chemotherapy, Cardenas said: "Well in many cases it is because, first of all, there won't be any side effects." Commenting on the Cardenas tape, Dr. Rosenberg said the statements were "mumbo_jumbo." When Wallace attempted to confront Cardenas, another clinic staffer slammed a door on Wallace. Electromagnetic therapy is not approved in Mexico, Wallace explained.
At Kurt Donsbach's clinic, Hospital Santo Thomas SA DECY, a representative proffered "bioray" treatment and "ozonation" treatment through the ears and rectally. Wallace said the clinic charges $29,000 for a seven_month treatment program. Wallace noted that Donsbach was convicted in the U.S. for tax evasion and smuggling unapproved drugs across the border. Donsbach stated on the videotape: "I can cure rheumatoid arthritis. I can cure lupus and I guarantee it. If I can't cure you, it doesn't cost you a cent. I have scores of multiple sclerosis patients." Wallace said Donsbach turned down repeated requests for an interview. Wallace stated that according to Mexican authorities two of the therapies offered by Donsbach's clinic are unapproved.
The third clinic promoted coffee enemas to "flush poisons out your body to fight cancer." A clinic representative identified as Dr. Juan Manuel Nunez recommended hyperbaric oxygen chambers in addition to chemotherapy and radiation. He claimed: "When the oxygen go to the cancer cells, open the channels, too, and it's more susceptible for other treatment to destroy the cancer cells." But when later confronted by Wallace, Nunez admitted that hyperbaric oxygen and coffee enemas do not fight cancer. A clinic spokesperson said Nunez was a consultant speaking for himself and that hyperbaric chambers and coffee enemas can be effective when used along with conventional treatment.
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The fourth clinic in the hidden camera investigation was BioPulse International's. (NCAHF Newsletter items about the clinic appeared in the May/June 2001 and July/August 2001 issues.) Wallace reported that company president Loren Swenson told the undercover patient that coma therapy has a proven track record and that no one is too sick for the clinic.
"Our approach is, you know, until they close the lid on the coffin you still have a chance," said Swenson on videotape. "In the United States it is so easy for doctors to say `you know what, there's nothing we can do for you.'"
Wallace interviewed Win Wiggin whose oncologist told her she had a terminal case of ovarian cancer. Wiggin said she went to the BioPulse clinic because it offered her a 60% chance of recovery. She said she paid $33,000 for one_hour_long comas, five days a week for five weeks, among other treatments. Wiggin said that BioPulse told her the treatment was working and that her cancer was gone. But her doctors in San Francisco said her CAT scans were unchanged. Wallace said he spoke to the families of ten BioPulse patients, all of whom were given good prognoses, but that Wiggin was the only one of them who was still alive. "There wasn't anyone who was helped," said Wiggin. Wallace reported that according to Mexican officials BioPulse has never had authority to perform coma therapy.
Dr. Rosenberg's final comment was: "I think people who exploit desperate individuals for their own benefit are evil."
"NIH is doing studies into alternative therapies and for more on that and details on how to talk to one of our experts, Dr. Stephen Barrett go to ABCNews.com," said Primetime co_anchor Diane Sawyer who concluded the broadcast. ABCNews.com identified Dr. Barrett as NCAHF's vice president. It moderated an online discussion between viewers and Dr. Barrett on January 25th.
The Primetime broadcast did not mention that cancer treatments as bizarre as those in Tijuana are offered in many clinics in the United States and other nations. Nor did it clarify that NIH's National Center for Complementary and Alternative Medicine uses taxpayers' money to fund studies to test irrational treatment programs featuring methods like coffee enemas on people.
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You are going to make a decision off one person experience? Go over to the mets side and read this same story repeatedly. Where is the hope for advancing girls? Everything she lost you lose with any Stage IV protocol in the US. For the exceptions of us girls who fight every step of the way with our doctors, and take control of our health in ways that the onc. doesn't.
I went to MD Anderson the #1 cancer clinic in the world. My experience was the same, EXCEPT I GOT THE HELL OUT OF THERE as fast as I could. And because of that I'm still alive today. There is not doubt in my mind, if I would have stayed a year out there I would be dead right now. I spent a large amount of money to go there, and to a doctor that did not even know what kind of cancer I had. I know many don't believe this, but you need to realize that if your Stage IV and reasonably healthy. You become a large rat for the medical industry. Most don't get to feel this because their disease spreads so fast, they don't get long to pay the Stage IV game. I'm rare that I'm stage but still have excellent health, but I don't respond to chemo. My doctor's are very upfront that you can get chemo resistant at any time. What option would you nay-sayers have for me? Take more chemo until I die for chemo toxicity with no chance it will prolong my life? If America chemo is the the wonder drug, why do 40,000 ladies a year here die from bc cancer? Conventional does not have that good of track record for Stage IV cancer. As for Quackwatch...this same story is always used and any info I've every read. Is she the only person too ever have gone there?
Flalady
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Fl Lady, I truly don't know what to say to somebody in your situation. All I can say is that there are a lot of scammers out there who will offer you the moon to separate you from your money. And I don't doubt there are alternative treatments that very well may help. But how do you make the decision about what is good and what is not given there are no studies and these alternative medicine clinics simply bury their mistakes? If I were in your situation, I would not listen to anonymous bulletin board posters, who for all you know, may own the very clinics they are promoting here, or homeopathic doctors whose advice might be very dubious, but I would probably meet as many women as I could with your diagnosis and try to share experiences and learn from each other what has worked and what has not. Perhaps there are women out there who have found alternative medicine practioners giving them a treatment that actually works. That kind of word of mouth should get around and those people should have lots of patients. But I would get that information first hand if possible, and not rely on something jsut because somebody told you that you should. So if Western Medicine has failed you, yea go further. Just do so with discretion.
Questionable Cancer Practices In Tijuana And Other Mexican Border Clinics
http://www.cancer.org/docroot/ETO/content/ETO_5_3x_Questionable_Practices_In_Tijuana.asp
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Cancer Watch:
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If all it takes is one horror story to steer clear of any given provider, what would we have left? I know a woman right now who travels considerable distance to get her treatments from MD Anderson. She was scheduled for 12 weekly taxols. She took 9 and suffered such debilitating side effects that the doctors gave her a 3-week respite. Then came the FEC. After three of those, she went into septic shock and nearly died. She didn't wait for the doctors to decide that there wouldn't be a 4th FEC.
MD Anderson has a reputation for being the best. Yet, I'm seriously concerned about this one woman surviving their treatments. Her pathology revealed 5 different kinds of cancer in the breast they removed. She also has a strong family history and they're using her family for research to possibily find a 3rd gene that reveals a propensity for bc. Flalady, I hear your comments about lab rab loud and clear. It makes me doubly concerned. After you ran screaming from md anderson, what did you do next?
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florida lady- i'm sorry you find it "sad" that i wanted to share my story about my friend- it was not comparing cancers- that would diminish the fight we have all taken on to survive- i simply wanted to show one person's side of the story on treatment in mexico- i believe any and all information as well as opinions on these boards are very individual and should be taken as such-
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melmedic - I believe too that all info and opinions should be individual and be taken as such. But...why is it every time the ladies in our "designated area in this site" come under attack if we want to openly discuss issues important to us. No one would post the friend died at MDA, why bring in Mexico? So many immediately jump in like we are stupid, and don't do our home work. No one should use anything without researching first, and that means conventional or alternative. We would just like to go more in-depth conversations without being judged or looked down upon for searching out other treatment options. One article does not make a protocol all bad. I never stop reading and know when the information has be turned to make a negative points about alternative medicine. So many don't take the time to read and go off one negative comment. We are just want other to search for themelves. Most of the information we talk about are from Noble Prize winning doctors. You can't say that about most conventional medicine. My three year anveriory is next month. I can't say I'm in remission YET! But I'm still here, working full time and have a wonderful life in the middle on cancer.
althea - I came home with stage IV neuropathy after only four treatments. My local doctor did a new PET scan and could see that I only had bc in my left breast. MDA would not use a PET they said it wasn't a good tool??? (they also though it was in my neck) So I had a second mast on the left side 27/27 positive. I than said NO to chemo for right now until I can rehab from the neuropathy. (I could not write my own name or drive a car - I'm still stage III a year later) I had wanted to do alternative the whole time after my dx. But my bc is one of the most aggressive they seen per three top clinics. (have been in tx since dx 11/5) do supplement and vitamins while on chemo. This kept me working full time, through at the time 26 chemo tx, rads and three surgeries. So I grab this break from chemo and found a alternative doctor. We did a four weeks detox to get the metals from chemo out. Than I did three months of a very hard diet, I also used a product called Cellquest and other supplements. Within four months my high blood pressure and cholesterol from chemo was gone, lost the chemo weight, and held my bc at bay for six months. (shocked my doctor's big time...they had given me three months to live when I was original dx in '05) My big mistake I changed off this protocol to do something else that was recommend and my disease returned in about two months. I'm now doing low dose chemo and High Dose Vit C with four to five other natural protocols. I will not mention these here, because I do not want to hear the feed back. I did my research...my onc. is in agreement because he know's that he does not have anything better to offer me right now that will prolong my life and more important my quality of life.
Information is power in cancer! I told my chemo girl's my decision...they said "God made them both (conv & alter) and can use them both for healing!" that said it all for me.
Flalady
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Why bring in Mexico? Because that post was in direct response to the author who started this thread. Its for the reader to judge whether Mexico is a place they would want to go to receive cancer treatment. No attacks here, simply different viewpoints and conflicting evidence.
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Thank you so much deansanders!!!!!!!! I read about this.
My mother is in Pittsburgh and with the condition of her lungs, due to a chemo toxicity, she cannot fly. I don't know how else I could get her to a facility like these.
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juliebb, Since Your mom is not in a position to fly that far.... please consider calling the Cancer Treatment Centers of America. I believe there is one in Philly and also one in illinois... I don't know which of these would be closer to you. You can call them toll free and they are very helpful in exploring your options. While they do traditional therapy.. they also have complimentary/alternative type therapies. My friend went there and is 10 years cancer free.
They do take some insurances. I would love to hear what you learn if you call them
My prayers are with you.
I wish it had of been practical for me to go there... it just wasn't.
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Thanks Carol! It's so kind of you to suggest this!
I actually called and emailed the Endobiogenic Integrative Medical Center, in Idaho yesterday. I was waiting to see if they could do a phone consultation. I haven't heard back from them yet. I learned about this treatment from the book, With the Help of Our Friends from France, by Carol Silverander.
How are you? What treatment are you doing?
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Flalady:
I left MDA as well.......Wish there were some way of talking to you privately. Let me know if there is.
Katie.
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juliebb,
I read that book also...very interesting. Let us know what you find out about the place in Idaho.
I also check at Cancer Center of America - do not take BCBS period! They cut me off when they heard my insurance coverage. Pretty much said you can't afford us without ins...
Katie2u,
I sent you a private message. Look at the black tab that runs across this page, near the top of the page. Just click private message.
Flalady
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FlaLady,
I am still waiting on a return email. I will try to call again. I will let you know what happens. I thought the book was interesting too.
What's BCBS?
Thanks very much for your response. My mother's friend went to Oasis of Hope twice, and beat her breast cancer both times. She's also 76. I think these options are hope for many people that are told they can't be helped.
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Sorry...Blue Cross & Blue Shield insurance. Thanks for a positive report about alternatives.
Flalady
For People who has not read "With the help from our friends in France" this is a story about a lady that had extensive bc to the liver. She decide to be treated natural using mostly herbs by a doctor in France. I can't remember but she is something like 7 or 8 years out. Still has the met but is complete stable with no side effects of treatment or liver toxicity. This is a good read.
Flalady
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I contacted Cancer Center of America post chemo treatments as I was desperately trying to find ways to rebuild my immune system and was very anemic. They would not give me the time of day. Basically I was NOT their patient from the start of my diagnosis and had surgery and chemo at another facility. They would NOT allow me to participate or use their alternative care or nutrition support facilities. When I see ther advertisement on the Televison I change the channel it makes me so mad. Cancer is about making MONEY off of patients. It is a big business otherwise we would not run into all this resistance trying to get into clinical trials or use alternative sources.
The local hospital where I was treated has NOTHING in terms of diet, exercise, supplement information for patients after treatment. NOTHING!! I was never even told about the side effects of taking Femara besides body and joint pain. No one mentioned that I should have Vitamin D levels monitored or what and how much supplements I should take such as Calcium and Vit D. Never even discussed with me! Never mentioned I should get my cholesterol monitored either as a possible side effect. I have to do ALL my own research and then go to my PCP and ask her to run these blood tests to monitor me. Who knows what else I should be looking out for. I am getting real tired of trying to be my own doctor and then be criticized when I ask questions. I think they (nurses and doctors dread my appts sometimes). Frankly I don't even know why they keep a chart on me as no one ever discusses my daily supplement list.
FloridaLady - I hear you loud and clear and REALLY appreciate your posts. Maybe if I had attended a different medical facility or had more involved doctors I might feel different. However, many times I feel very alone with this battle if it weren't for this website.
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CP, YOU TOOK THE WORDS RIGHT OUT OF MY MOUTH! Do we go to the same doctors??? As I have said before, I really liked and respected my doctors. They got me through a horrible experience. But when treatment was over, and they only wanted me to start the drug route, I got no support with diet, nutrition, supplements. It was their way or the highway. I hit the road, and have not gone back. Like you, I am so ticked that we have to do our own research, demand our own tests, and search for others that can help. It should not be that way. Medicine needs to look in all directions, not just the ones prescribed by the drug companies, and the lawyers. Doctors should be able to tell us about alternatives without fear of being sued. WE are all in this together. Maybe we can band together and make a difference. Keeping these alternative threads going is a start.
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My comment is about my experience about Oasis of Hope Hospital in Tijuana.
Short comment answer-They will help you, but they want your money first, then they will help you.
But the 20k the author posted is far from reality. In fact, I was told about $25,000 US too when I first arrived there. To date, I have paid over $300,000 US from several visits over the past 3 years.I am very happy with the treatment, but this particualar clinic is very expensive.
Long comment answer
I have been going to the Oasis of Hope Clinic for over 3.5 years now. They have helped me, but I must warn you that I
have paid over 300 thousand dollars so far. It is the largest cancer hospital in Tijuana. Yes, according to the author, this is where the cosmetic company owner, Don Factor was treated. The $20,000 US that was posted here is just an introductory teaser rate. If you have a severe case, you will pay a lot of money at the Oasis of Hope Hospital. You have to come for about 1 month per year for treatment, most of what you will need will be billed as extra. I am fortunate to have some money from my aerospace company that I founded. My honest opinion is that this hospital will help and is very good, but they will help people and get you better if you have a lot of money. They are in a figurative sense, milking me of my money but, I really have no other choice, while it is costing me a lot of money, they are keeping me alive. They did good work, but I have to say that they have taken a lot of money from me. So I am grateful for them saving my life. They do some
things similar to what the author posted. At Oasis of Hope they do ozone iv, uv blood iv, perftec (a form of artificial blood to increase oxygen in iV) , heavy vitamin c iv, laetrile iv, vit k (kemdalin) iv and nurtracuticals (supplements like selenium, vit e and omega 3). Also they do light chemotherapy too. The light chemo has helped me a little too. It is not a full dose, but that is all they do here. The ohter things the author posted seem very interesting. Thank you, because I have never heard of these and I will now be investigating these from other clinics there too.In England I cannot get any treatment, even with all my money, the doctors won't risk losing their license. At Oasis, of Hope they will keep me alive and do good work on me, that is until I run out of money I guess. The treatment is very expenisive at Oasis. The rates for medicines, surgeries are more expensive than in England. For example, a standard antibiotic in England cost me about say $30 US. The same antibiotic at Oasis of Hope, they charged me $250 US. To remove a cyst in England I was quoted about $500 US. I paid almost $3000 US at the Oasis of Hope Hospital. That is a much higher rate. A bone scan in England cost me about $400-600 US through a private company, at Oasis I paid a bloody $1200 to $1500 US. there.
My room was on the third floor at the Oasis of Hope hospital and I had a view of a newly constructed apartment building, really nothing special. There is a chapel near my room, where I would like to go and pray. There is also a Chaplin there full time named Bruce. He is a shaved haired American guy, who dresses casually, with shorts and a pink polo shirt. His services were okay, but a lot of patients told me that he stared at them in the eyes too much and they got frightened by him with this rigid eye contact. He is a volunteer, and he does have a good heart though, but he has no idea about the financial side of Oasis.
The owner is Dr. Contreras Jr,, He is a very intelligent guy,first, his intelligence is in the form of being a clever businessman first and foremost. He really presents himself as a religious man, with prayer and he likes to offer prayers to you everone. Yet, I will say that after 3.5 years of getting acquainted with him, and talking to many people that know him and have worked with him, the man's first priority is money.
He uses religion to hide his somewhat money hungry side. He lives in San Diego, California in a large estate , just across the border. He also has a large property with maids and expensive furniture ,antiques and art work in Tijuana and a house I was told in Vienna, as well as many houses throughout resort cities in Mexico and Europe.
Most who work with him, think he is very humble person, who lives a meager lifestyle and is deeply involved in religion. Yet, Dr. Contreras Jr. lives the life of a wealthy aristocrat. He keeps a very low profile on monetary matters. So, most have no idea of his immense wealth. He does very little there in terms of actual medical practice at Oasis, mainly he just checks on the business and make sure thing are in order. He comes in a few times a week to check up on things. He does meet once a week with his team of doctors and he does evaluate some patients.
But, his role is mostly a PR role and he mostly does question and answer interviews in the Oasis cafeteria on the first floor and on the third floor in their meeting room which overlooks Playas Beach. He is very charismatic guy, dressed in expensive Armani suits with slightly grayed hair and skin that has been treated and pampered with facials.
His nephew is named Daniel Kennedy and he is the CEO. I met him many times too. He also presents himself as a religious
guy, with a degree in divinity. They do a good job making you think that their mission is to help people, but once you get to know them in detail and speak to others about them, the truth comes out.Daniel Kennedy would also tell me stories about how he was working on a doctorate degree in psychology and that was his passion. He by training has a BA in economics and he has an MBA. He is the main person that took Oasis of Hope Hospital from a more Christian based hospital that was originally the plan of the founder Ernesto Contreras Sr (father), who sought to help everyone, (a really good man) , Daniel took Oasis of Hope to a more business run place with the first priority of making money first then helping.
Having talk to Daniel Kennedy many times, the financial side to Daniel Kennedy came out numerous times.
Actually under the leadership of Daniel Kennedy, Oasis Hospital shifted its business plan from charging marginally fair and competitive rates to charging far more expensive rates, far more than I would pay in the UK for similar services. Daniel Kennedy changed the pricing scheme to address the psychological impression that people have on price. His idea was to charge more money, as this would be associated with having better medical care.Daniel Kennedy also developed a revenue sharing model that allows doctors to acquire a commission of all charges incurred. So, doctors that perform extra tests and extra scans and procedures will get a percentage of these profits.
This is perhaps the worse thing that happened to Oasis of Hope Hospital.
Daniel Kennedy's revenue based sharing has allowed the Oasis of hope hospital to substantially increase its profits.
Patients may often get extra tests and procedures in the process, depending on the doctor.
His fondness of wealth and business came out. Daniel Kennedy has expensive taste and he talked to me several times because they know I am successful ,having started a successful company, he talked to me about opening a clinic in England. He talked about the amount of money that could be made there if the proper people were involved. But, he did not mention about the people that could be helped.
Daniel Kennedy is a business guy who since his involvement with his uncle Dr. Contreras Jr, has turned Oasis to a money making machine. Oasis profited over $20 million dollars US after expenses in 2006. That is how they can afford to have a 5 story hospital heavily staffed, in Playas de Tijuana, basically on the beach in Tijuana, the most affluent part of Tijuana. It is actually across the street from the beach. There is an arena on the beach where they do bull fighting and other sports. The beach is 10 seconds walking distance from the hospital.
Considering the low gross domestic product per citizen in Mexico, $10,000 US per year, is considered a good salary salary in Mexico. The low cost of labor, makes Dr. Contreras Jr. and Daniel Kennedy his nephew , very wealthy men.
Oasis of Hope Hospital by the way, does not engage in revenue sharing with other employees, from the lower tier rank and file. These employees work very hard, with ardous hours, and earn the bare minimum, which is a livable wage, but slightly above the poverty line there. Labor is cheap. Employees that complain or try to organize a union will be replaced with other desperate employee who have a family and children to feed. The worn out look is evident in many of the employees I saw stemming from long work days. Most I believe had a second job outside the hospital to cover expenses.
As of today, I don't know their current financials now.
But , I would assume that it is in the millions, that is profit too. Dr. Contreras is a very wealthy man, most do not know this because he presents himself as a devout Christian. He hides this financial side of him through religion and charisma. He never talks about money. He keeps a distance and hides his wealth very well. But, if he indeed were pious as he likes to portray himself, then go try walking into his clinic with a little money and a lot of sickness , service will be refused. I have seen some locals come in very weak and sick and they were stabilized but refused long term care, this same excellent treatment that is saving Westerners here in the UK.Hence the dominant customer base are folks like myself from the UK. I don't want to say that Dr. Contreras Jr. is not
religious, because he is, but money is his first priority above everything, then comes religion, kind of contradictory to my teachings of the Christian faith. The money side to Dr. Contreras Jr. takes precedence over health care. The father Dr. Contreras Sr, was more of an altruistic person and believed that money should be secondary to helping people. Under the father, Dr.
Contreras Sr, his true humanitarian efforts were made. The father was a noble man.It is possible too that because they know I am wealthy, they feel that i should and others like me in my position need to pay more. So, perhaps they are charging me higher rates beacause they fell that I should pay based on my income. I don't know. I met other wealthy people and non wealthy, Oasis had definitely helped them get better, but it cost them some of their hard earned money. So, to the author, thanks for your post, but you are wrong about your 20k, at least here at the Oasis of Hope Hospital. But again, I am alive and I guess this is the price to stay alive. I would rather spend $300,000 so far and be alive, than not be alive. I really thank Oasis for helping me, but don't go there thinking that you will only spend the bare minimum if you are very sick. Don't think they are angels that can wait to help you and can't wait to do missionary work. This is not the case. Yes, you will be helped but be prepared to pay a lot of money. There are many other small clinics in Tijuana that are much cheaper if you can't afford the large amount you may end up spending. I am sure that these smaller clinics will be more upfront about pricing, work that out ahead of time. Don't brag about your credentials, that will be an excuse to charge you more. I thank the author for posting some alternative therapies that I was not informed about. I will be looking into these therapies too,because they make pefect sense. I figure that I will need to spend a total of $700,000 by the time this is all done , because I have the next decade for maintanence to stay alive.
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I'm curious uksoccorfan, you keep saying they have kept you alive. How do you know this? How do you know that you would not still be alive without treatment? How do you know that you would not be just as well off medically if you had standard treatment that, with insurance in the US or free medical care in the UK, would cost you at worst, only a few thousand dollars, and at best nothing? Did they tell you at the mexican clinic that but for them you would not be alive? Did somebody in England tell you that you only had a few months to live? You spent a lot of time talking about this Mexican clinic but nothing about exactly what your cancer diagnosis was, the characteristics of the tumor, or anything else.
And then tell us what treatment you received at this Mexican Clinic that saved your life. Specifically, I would like to know what they did that saved you, and how the medical treatment actually worked, if you wouldn't mind.
One more thing, if you have received all this treatment over the years, why is this your FIRST post on this board. You wouldn't be the author of the original post would you?
To anybody reading this, if they think i am skeptical about motives of both the original poster in this thread or this last one, its because I am highly skeptical. I think that there are people who will come on a board like this, where they know that some women are desperate for a cure, and will attempt to take advantage. They will do so by telling you how such and such clinic in Mexico or whereever saved their lives when nobody else could. They will tell you that the cost of the treatment was worth it. What they will never do however is give you details about their disease, their treatment and just how they were cured, nor will they be able to point you to any credible medical evidence that the supposed cure is anything more than a scam. To believe that these mexican clinics have found a cure that is intentionally being ignored by mainstream medicine is stretching one's imagination to the incredulous, all in my honest opinions of course.
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cp418, I am sorry to hear about your experience w/ CCTA. It doesn't seem in line with the information I have heard from others. When my friend went there they had not done her initial surgery and when she declined chemo... they basically came at her with all kind of information toward a different protocol of nutriton, spiritual support, etc.
However, former VP, of CCTA, Dr. Patrick Quillin has a book and website. The book is Beating Cancer With Nutrition. You can get the book and basically find just about every supplemental and diet approach that he used and recommended while in their service.
My oncologist has also recommended for me to see an endocrinologist after all treatment.
I am doing quite well... I finished chemo and will be having a modified radical mastectomy Oct 21. I am seeing light at the end of the tunnel... but will continue my care using Quillin's book as a guide to rebuild my immune system. I will also pursue energy healing.
I did choose to used chemo as my cancer was in my lymph nodes and after a consultaion with a medical intuitive, it was suggested that I would benefit as once cancer reaches a certain point, it moves too fast for some alternative treatments. The medical intuitive I use is from a medical family as well... so she believes in the best of all that is available.
Unfortunately, it is always going to be about money somewhat. The wealthy people who can afford to travel to any place they feel comfortable and feel like they can get superior care will do well simply because much of it is the total picture. Body, mind and spirit! If you think you are getting the best treatment possible... chances are your mind set will be much more relaxed and less stressful.
My husband used to work for BCBS and I must tell you that they are a very backward and wasteful company. It is like the blind leading the blind there unless you are one of the "good ole boys". For me when I had their coverage... they would only pay $30. toward a wig for chemo treatment!
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I went to the "OASIS OF HOPE" website. Does anyone want to guess how they determine the type of treatment they are going to give you? By telephone conversation. No clinical exam, no review of pathology results or anything else. They simply talk to you and devise your treatment plan. For this, you need to pay everything in advance by cashier's check:
As an alternative cancer treatment hospital, Oasis of Hope blends science, compassion, and faith in all that it does. The needs of each patient determine which therapies should be offered. Call Oasis of Hope Hospital and talk to one of our doctor specialists. The type of therapy you will be receiving is decided after your initial phone consultation.
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Time magazine expose:
http://oasisofhope.com/cancerhospital/about-us/faqs.html#3
Mexico's Controversial Clinics
By Jill Underwood/San Diego Friday, Feb. 03, 2006
No one is exactly sure when Americans began going to alternative medicine clinics south of the border. As early as 1963, the Hoxsey Clinic had opened in Tijuana with its motto "run by Americans, for Americans." And then in 1980, a dying and seemingly desperate Steve McQueen rode off into the sunset in Mexico while seeking laetrile treatments to cure his lung cancer. There may have been hundreds of alternative health clinics at that time. Today, there are only a few dozen.
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Nevertheless, these clinics are once again embroiled in controversy with the death of Coretta Scott King at the Hospital Santa Monica, an alternative treatment facility in Baja, Mexico. Why would someone with access to the world's best health care move across the continent and then outside of U.S. territory for medical attention? On Friday, Mexican authorities, after inspecting the facility after the death of Mrs. King from complications of ovarian cancer, shut down the Hospital Santa Monica, citing a number of what they described as unauthorized procedures. No exact count of American patients in Mexican clinics exists, but the website Quackwatch.org which tries to police the medical industry for unethical and illegal conduct, estimates that as many as 10,000 patients check into these centers every year.
Lori Ferguson wishes her father hadn't been one of them. George Ott, 63, of Brookfield, Connecticut was used to being in good shape. He ate properly and went to the gym regularly. Then came a diagnosis of kidney cancer in August, 2005. Ott chose to go to the Hospital Santa Monica in Rosarito, Mexico because the options given to him by American doctors had the potential of causing taxing side effects. Ferguson says her father soon faced a more dangerous fate starting on the first day of his hospital stay. "They inserted a catheter," she says, "and his health deteriorated almost immediately."
After 10 days Ott's wife took him to Scripps Hospital in Chula Vista, California. "The doctors told us if we had waited one more day, he would have been taken home in a body bag." Ferguson says doctors told her a dirty needle was the cause. "My father will never be the same. The infection has caused him to have infections which led to double pneumonia, bone infection and congestive heart failure." Having spent almost all of his life savings, George Ott had to live with his daughter until he went into the hospital for open heart surgery. Ironically, her father's cancer is now in spontaneous remission. (Dr. Kurt Donsbach, the founder of Hospital Santa Monica, declined requests for an interview.) Lori Ferguson says Donsbach has not returned any of the $12,000 he was paid by the family, saying that customers had to sign a release saying they won't talk to the media about their story nor seek legal action. The Otts and their daughter have refused. "My dad went there because of the promises made by Dr. Donsbach," says Ferguson. "He said he could cure my father. He lied and now we're all paying the price."
Clinics like the Hospital Santa Monica tout cures for all types of cancers, attracting many U.S. patients diagnosed with what they believe is a death sentence. How can patients be sure the money they're often asked to pay up front will ensure a cure? No guarantees are given. "It is harder today more than ever for patients to find credible information because none exists," says medical writer Peter Chowka, who has chronicled cancer treatments in the U.S. and the alternative medical facilities of Mexico. "In 1991 legislation was passed to set up an office within the National Institutes of Health where alternative health care would be evaluated so that Americans could know what worked and what didn't. To this point, I'm not aware that the office has given us those answers." With costs ranging between $3,000 and $20,000 - depending on a patient's length of stay - many wonder if Baja's alternative treatments only cause more pain. (A significant number of these clinics have U.S. citizens on their staff or working behind the scenes. Mexican law forbids non-citizens from owning or operating the facilities.)
Some of the facilities advertise hospice care rather than cures. (Friends of Mrs. King say she was looking for a quiet place to spend her last days.) One of the most popular of this type is the Oasis of Hope Hospital in Playas de Tijuana. "In a minority of cases, clinical options outside the U.S., particularly in Tijuana have helped people with late stage cancer or a diagnosis of death," says Chowka. "It has given them a more peaceful way to die through nutrition, pain relief and other palliative treatments." He notes that there are instances of amazing medical rebounds. "I have tracked cases in which the patients insisted they were cured. I am talking about cases that had the appropriate documentation and were credible. Clearly such remarkable recoveries, especially from cancer are in the significant minority, as they are, too, in the U.S. using conventional treatments."
The Cancer Control Society, based in Pasadena, California, organizes tours of Baja clinics and defends their efficacy. "There are approximately two dozen alternative medical clinics in the Tijuana area," says Frank Cousineau, the society's vice president. "The worst one there is better than the best one in the U.S. I've been to probably 20 or so clinics and the ones that I've seen are all safe. I won't say that we never get complaints over things like money but the overwhelming majority tell us they were treated very, very well." As for Hospital Santa Monica, he says, "we have taken about 3,500 people - 30% to 40% of those being cancer patients - there as part of our tours and have had no complaints."
Mexican officials have tried to monitor both licensed and unlicensed clinics in the past without much success. In 2001, Baja regulators tried to shut down at least a dozen clinics. Investigators were hindered by a shortage of investigators and by patients who didn't know how to properly fill out claims, or simply refused to. Critics say corruption also plays a part. "A few years ago a Mexican official shut down about 20 of these clinics," says Quackwatch.org chairman Dr. Stephen Barrett. A retired psychiatrist, Barrett has no faith in Baja's clinics. "After the shut down, the government changed and the clinics re-opened." Barrett now turns his frustration to the U.S. government. "I no longer just ask why the Mexican government isn't trying to do something about this problem," says Barrett. "I can't to understand why our own government isn't doing more about it. What more needs to happen to get someone to take action
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Scared to death
Frightened because she thought she had breast cancer, a Charleroi woman treated herself with useless potions and therapies
Tuesday, December 07, 1999
By Ellen Mazo
Pittsburgh Post_Gazette Staff Writer
Erika Zelem was a smart woman. She had a master's degree in counseling and had a private practice working with bereaved, chronically ill, elderly and adolescent clients. She wasn't a stranger to inner suffering and stress.
Erika Zelem believed a California company's promise that it could diagnose based on this Polaroid photograph of her.
But when she discovered a lump on her right breast in October 1990, she became terrified. She had lost her other breast to cancer 15 years earlier. She didn't want to go through the disfiguring surgery again.
So the Charleroi woman turned to mail_order practitioners who sold her thousands of dollars of products to rid her body of the poisons and the parasites they said were invading her system.
She swallowed parsley, carrot and celery juices. She rubbed her body with aloe vera creams. She bought one machine that zapped her with electrical currents. She spent $1,200 on another that produced water bubbles that were supposed to make her feel better.
Her sister, her mother and other relatives begged her to see a doctor. They made appointments. Zelem canceled them.
"I would watch my aunt swing a chain because a woman in California told her that its movement would tell her what herbs she should take," said her niece, Jennifer Stile. "It was like giving her a death sentence. She listened because she was desperate."
Zelem died on Sept. 9. She was 54.
Her family knew she was in intense pain, but didn't realize the extent of her overwhelming fear and despair until after her death, when they found her notebooks. Over the last year and a half of her life, Zelem had outlined the increasing pain that pierced her body, the treatments that she gave herself and her refusal to get medical help.
They also found thousands of dollars worth of canceled checks to people and companies across the country for mechanical devices, herbal combinations and purified waters.
"These people took advantage of someone who was scared," said Zelem's older sister, Alix Garlitz, who's also from Charleroi. "They played on her fears. At one point they had her putting cabbage and potatoes on her breast. They said that helped pull the poisons out of her body. One person told her that cancer was a symptom."
Garlitz, 57, said the family had accepted Zelem's death. "Then, when I saw what she had paid, and for what, I didn't know what to think," she said. "And when I read her diaries, I see how much pain she was in, for so long. My sister is in pain, and she's taking cleansing agents and zapping herself with electrical currents."
Local doctors who are becoming increasingly involved with alternative, or complementary medicine, are frustrated over the growing accessibility of unregulated products hawked by charlatans who promise impossible cures.
"The saddest thing in our society is knowing there are people out there taking advantage of others," said Dr. Paul Lebovitz, medical director of Allegheny General Hospital's Center for Digestive Health.
He partly blames traditional caregivers who dismiss anything other than Western medicine.
"I think this occurs because allopathic medicine has not yet met the needs of patients. It's easier to do alternative medicine than allopathic," Lebovitz said.
The December issue of the University of California, Berkeley's Wellness Letter addresses medical quackery, pegging its report to the huge amounts of medical advice being dispensed on the Internet.
The Federal Trade Commission has started a campaign called "Operation Cure All," to challenge the Web sites that promote phony cures.
"The agency can force the sites to stop making claims, but it cannot shut them down or prevent them from doing business," the Wellness Letter reports.
Zelem's experiences illustrate the still uneasy relationship between traditional and alternative medicine, doctors and other medical professionals say.
Her family acknowledges that Zelem's earlier mastectomy affected her more deeply than they realized.
Zelem, who was single, told a relative: "You never had disfiguring surgery. You don't understand."
The relative, a nurse practitioner who works in an oncologist's office, tried to explain that breast cancer treatment had advanced significantly since Zelem's first surgery, that she might have been a candidate for just having a lump removed.
Zelem would have none of that. To her, doctors could not offer the comfort of the herbalists and other practitioners who promised that their methods could cleanse her system.
The Food and Drug Administration regulates the distribution of drugs; herbs have not been classified as drugs. At the same time, the National Center for Complementary and Alternative Medicine, part of the National Institutes of Health, is funding research of alternative medicine and therapies at more than a dozen research centers at U.S. universities.
But what about the snake_oil scams that seem to offer hope to sick, desperate people, like Zelem? Garlitz asked.
"Yes, she was an adult, an educated adult. But aren't these people taking advantage of someone who is in pain and afraid?"
Lebovitz speaks of both traditions with ease. He spent a month last year traveling to Europe and the Far East to look into alternative medical practices. Lebovitz returned with a new respect for some of the healing traditions of other countries that are looked upon with skepticism in the United States.
"We have evidence_based medicine," he said. "Most alternatives don't. But it's very important to know that patients are doing this already. Doctors have to be aware of that."
In the past year, Lebovitz has led the hospital's integrated medicine program, bringing in Dr. Arvind Kulkarni, a radiation oncologist with 30 years practice in both mainstream and alternative medicine in Bombay, India.
At Medical Wellness Associates in Jeannette, Dr. Martin Gallagher, a chiropractor who runs the alternative care practice, finds himself battling extremists who refuse to accept alternative therapies as a complement to traditional care.
One of his patients was Erika Zelem.
"That stuff happens out there," said Gallagher, who has medical doctors on his staff. "People disenchanted with the medical system go out there and do these other things. They need to enter our world."
Gallagher said he explained to Zelem that a 65_year_old patient with a hip problem likely would require a hip replacement. Vitamins alone would not repair the worn out joint. Chiropractic treatment alone would not ease the pain.
"But for a person going into surgery, we can assess their nutritional needs so they can remain healthy. Afterward, we can help with physical therapy," he said.
After he told Zelem that she needed to be treated by a medical doctor, she never returned.
By September 1998, Zelem felt even more desperate, her diaries indicate. Her mother, Petrine Zelem, now 91, had been diagnosed with breast cancer. While her mother had a mastectomy and was prescribed Tamoxifen, Erika Zelem continued her own treatment. A month later, she had a hair analysis that showed her body had too much aluminum, silver, mercury zinc and iodine.
She did not say how she dealt with that, but wrote on Oct. 21, "Everything hurts inside, especially left side."
Through April and May of this year, Zelem kept track of her pain, almost by the hour. Her handwriting became increasingly feeble. She prayed a lot. She downed a lot of herbal pills.
"That's why she couldn't eat," said Garlitz, who had moved Zelem to her home. "Her body was filled with pills."
Two months before she died, Zelem sent a Polaroid picture of herself to a California company that claimed it could analyze her ailments and prescribe treatment based on her appearance. Zelem, who at 5 feet, 2 inches, weighed about 110 pounds before her illness, was now a skeletal 75 pounds. She bought potions Garlitz found after her death, so many that dozens of bottles were in their boxes, still unopened.
Lebovitz and Gallagher believe that as the medical profession comes to accept alternative medicine more people will find that they don't have to turn to quackery for cures. Medical schools now are teaching students to talk with their patients about alternative medical treatments they may be using.
"No one has the answers," Gallagher said. "There is no one answer in traditional medicine or nontraditional medicine. It's integrative. By making more forms of natural medicine available to patients we may be able to help them from being lured into going to extremes. They are scared to death, literally. We have to help them overcome that fear."
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Other Pittsburgh Post_Gazette articles :
Cancer therapy pained her family...and didn't work
It got to the point that family members couldn't even talk with Patti Davis about breast cancer, a disease that killed her last month at 39.
It wasn't that they shied away from the tragedy of Davis having cancer at a young age. On the contrary, her brothers, her father and her mother _ a breast cancer survivor for 22 years _ had numerous conversations with Davis about how she should handle the disease. Again and again they told her that radiation, chemotherapy and the latest treatments available would help her improve her chances.
Davis was a graduate of Fox Chapel Area High School, an all_American swimmer at the University of Pittsburgh and a broadcast journalist whose career took her to a job as TV news anchor at a station in Sacramento, Calif. When she was diagnosed 2 1/2 years ago, she opted for alternative medicine, and refused to undergo conventional therapy. Her care included week_long trips to a Mexican clinic that prescribed lifestyle changes ranging from exercise and positive thinking to grass juices and coffee enemas.
Family members here in Pittsburgh believed she was killing herself.
Eventually, they had to silence their views for fear they would lose Davis not just in death, but in life.
Some practices now incorporate traditional, alternative medicine _ another Mazo infomercial for Gallagher
" Charlotte Houser hadn't fallen off that ladder last year, she might never have sought alternative therapies to help handle her diabetes. The 69_year_old Latrobe woman sought out Dr. Martin Gallagher's Medical Wellness Associates in Jeannette to ease the back pain from the fall. A chiropractor who is chief of staff and a clinical nutritionist, Gallagher made sure Houser got more than manipulative, chiropractic treatments.
Welcome to Kansas: _ Gallagher appears on Cornerstone's TeleVision station
In 1997 the directors of WQED, Pittsburgh's award winning PBS station, approved a deal that would transfer the educational broadcasting license of channel 16 (WQEX) to Cornerstone TeleVision, the Greensburg_based broadcaster that currently airs its born_again Christian programming on channel 40 (WPCB). WQED asked the Federal Communications Commission to approve the license transfer, and the FCC hasn't yet decided.
Cornerstone programs have asserted that homosexuality is a disease, denigrated non_Christian faiths, public schools and funding for AIDS awareness. On Earth Day two years ago, Cornerstone aired a documentary proclaiming that the environmental movement is an elitist conspiracy and global warming is a myth. Their regular show, called "Origins" is strictly pro_creation and anti_science.
Pittsburgh Post Gazette _ Dead letters office
A collection of letters written by Patrick Curry _ skeptic and health fraud guru
12/7/99
John Craig, Editor
Pittsburgh Post_Gazette
To the Editor:
The article "Scared to Death" in the 12/7/99 Health Section dramatically
illustrates the tragedy of Erika Zelem, whose alternative medicine
treatments for her breast cancer led to her death.
However, the most amazing thing thing about this article is that the
reporter Ellen Mazo actually manages to "spin" this tragedy as an
argument IN FAVOR of integrating Complementary/Alternative Medicine
(CAM) into the medical system in order to protect(?) victims from
"snake_oil" salesman. In other words she wants to bring the quacks
directly into our local hospitals so that we don't have to turn to the
Internet!!! To whom does she turn for support for her point of view?
None other than Erika Zelem's own alt_med chiropractor, "Dr." Martin
Gallagher!
Reporter Mazo's continuing blind support of CAM despite this awful
tragedy is further illustrated by her neglecting to interview any local
anti_alternative medicine, scientifically_oriented doctors for this
article. Surely Mazo could have found at least one doctor in Pittsburgh
strongly critical of Complementary/Alternative medicine.
The victim, Erika Zelem, had been a longtime patient of one of the worst
of the local alt_med chiropractic gurus, Dr. Martin Gallagher.
Gallagher has weekly radio and TV show that blast "allopathic" medicine
and promote a wide variety of herbal, dietary supplement, chelation and
chiropractic adjustment treatments for just about every ailment under
the sun.
When Zelem's cancer worsened, Gallagher, as a self_interested
precaution, finally advised that she go to a standard MD _ which of
course she did not do. Gallagher, of course, does not fault himself for
undermining Zelem's confidence in standard medicine; instead he blames
skeptical MDs for creating distrust between alt_med patients and doctors
by not embracing CAM.
Clearly, the victim's beliefs stem in large part from the long_term
anti_medical "education" received from Gallagher, YET, the reporter
Ellen Mazo incredibly returns to Gallagher for a testimonial IN FAVOR of
CAM!!!! She even gives him the proverbial "last word" in this article.
This is despicable; absolutely incredible.
This is not the first time that reporter Mazo has done Gallagher a
favor. In a March 31, 1998 PG Your Health section article "Some
Practices Now Incorporate Alternative Medicine", she gave Gallagher an
infomercial for his practice. She even reports favorably that a Fred
Houser, suffering from prostrate cancer had disregarded his MD's advice
to have an operation in favor of a "vegetarian regimin, including apple
pectin and wheat grass juice". "I told my doctor," said Fred Houser, "He
wants me to have an operation. I don't. Not yet."
Reporter Mazo then included information on how to contact Gallagher's
Medical Wellness Associates in Jeanette and announced his TV program on
WPCB Channel 40 "Cornerstone Television." How many other medical
"seekers" like Erika Zelem may have been sent to Dr. Gallagher's
practice due to this particular favor by reporter Mazo?
Gallagher has been so irresponsible that in April of this year he ran an
advertisement in the Post_Gazette for a speech by the head of a Tijuana,
Mexico cancer clinics, the son of the perpetrator of the 1970s Laetrile
cancer cure hoax, Dr. Francisco Contreras. My angry letter concerning
this was published in the Your Health section. Was reporter Mazo totally
unaware of this?
[see below for my 4/9/99 letter to the PG concerning this. An
abreviated version of this letter was published in the Your Health
section.]
The continued defense of alternative medicine spewing from the pages of
the Your Health section even in the face of such a tragedy as that of
Erika Zelem's is most irresponsible. Due to reporter Mazo's blind
biases in favor of alternative medicine, the Post_Gazette lost a grand
opportunity to really educate people about the dangers of non_scientific
medicine. That compounds the tragedy.
E. Patrick Curry
Squirrel Hill
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Documentation:
Here is a prior letter that I sent concerning Dr. Gallagher's support
for Tijuana cancer clinics. Was reporter Ellen Mazo totally unaware of
this material? Was Editor Linn? Do they care?
Subject: Letter to the Editor Re: Alt_Med Cancer Treatments
Date: Fri, 09 Apr 1999 12:08:28 _0700
To: Editor John G.Craig, Jr.
34 Blvd of the Allies
Pittsburgh, PA 15222
Editor Craig:
Thanks to the Post_Gazette for the front page story of Patti Davis's
terrible experience with alternative cancer therapy at a clinic in
Tijuana, Mexico (P_G 4/9/99). Given the popularity of such unproven
treatments, her tragic story is but one of hundreds of similar cases
going totally unreported in the nation's alt_med_entranced media.
It is ironic that just two weeks earlier the Post_Gazette Your Health
section ran an advertisement for a lecture by Dr. Francisco Contreras,
the Chief_of_Staff of a similar alternative medicine cancer clinic in
Tijuana. The clinic is cynically called "The Oasis of Hope Hospital".
As I explained in a prior letter to the Post_Gazette's Health Editor,
Francisco Contreras is the son of Dr. Ernesto Contreras, one of the
perpetrators of the Laetrile (apricot pit oil) cancer cure hoax of the
1960s and 1970s. As a result of meeting Dr. Contreras, other desperate
Pittsburghers no doubt have just this past week been enticed to pursue
"hope" in Tijuana.
Contreras was invited to Pittsburgh by Chiropractor Martin Gallagher to
speak March 27 at a seminar given by Three Rivers Health and Nutrition.
Gallagher, a constant presence on regional radio and TV, has, in my
opinion, built his career on undermining public confidence in mainstream
medicine. He even markets his own book on what he calls "21st Century"
medicine.
The Federal Trade Commission has recently begun cracking down on false
and misleading health advertising. Perhaps it is time for the
Post_Gazette to begin monitoring its own advertising policies for the
sake of the public's health. The media should be doing its utmost to
expose dangerous quackery, instead of promoting it for a few extra
advertising dollars.
Thank You,
E. Patrick Curry
member National Council Against Health Fraud
Note: I have attached a section of the communication that I had
previously sent to Editor Linn. It contains references to WEB sites
which provide documentation as to Dr. Contreras and Laetrile.
Editor Linn:
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3)Next to the St. John's Wort article is an advertisment by Three
River's Health and Nutrition "Dr." Gallagher's operation. Guess what,
his guest speaker, "Dr" Francisco Contreras, is the son of Dr. Ernesto
Contreras who started the famous Laetrile (apricot seed extract)
anti_cancer fraud a couple of decades ago. Surely his running the
"Oasis of Hope" Hospital in Tijuana, Mexico should have raised a few
eyebrows.
For your edification, you should read the history of the laetrile fraud at
www.quackwatch.com/01QuackeryRelatedTopics/Cancer/laetrile.html
Dr. Contreras latest book "Health in the 21st Century: Will Doctors
Survive" is even advertised at www.apricotseeds.net/products.htm
It's sad, but Dr. Contrera's visit to Pittsburgh, sponsored by Gallagher,
may result in several desperate Pittsburghers flying to Tijuana to
undergo expensive, ineffective and/or dangerous treatments that are
illegal in the United States. That, in fact, may be the actual
consequence of that Page G_5 advertisement in this week's Your Health.
As you know the Federal Trade Commission just cracked down on the
fraudulent "Vitamin O" advertisements in mainstream publications. But,
"Vitamine O" is just one of hundreds of fraudulent advertisements that
are sweeping into the mainstream media. It is sad, so very sad.
Editor Linn, I hope you take the information I pass on to you
seriously. There are a lot of sharks out there in alternative
medicine. The public has a difficult time discerning good from bad
medicine. You have a heavy responsibility to provide thorough, accurate
and responsible coverage.
Thank You,
Patrick Curry
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worriedhubby,
I wish you would stop posting and reposting information that is erroneous and misleading about the clinics, and Coretta King.
Any article that quotes Barrett (who has lost many law suits because the juries/judge determined he got his facts wrong) is immediately discounted.
Worried hubby, you should be posting on a discussion group that espouses how conventional medicine is wonderful, not on an alternative medicine group.
You are becoming a troll here.
Anom
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Amen Anomdenet!
Where is your wife...what is her diagnoses? Everyone wants to know what is your connection is to bc?I know you have been asked to leave other areas. Please leave this one also...This is NOT about you!
UKsoccerfan,
Thank you so much for giving your opinion. It is good to have more people posting about their treatment. About the money... my US treatment cost $1,000,000+ for three years of treatment. I'm now doing a lot of these treatments in the US it will be about $1,200 a month....This is why we should be able to pick our treatment and insurance should have to cover it.
Flalady
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Worriedhubby...I have to agree with FloridaLady...What IS your connection to bc besides stirring up a beehive just because YOU don't like alternative treatment? ......I myself think alternative treatment isn't all it's cracked up to be but I don't bdelittle the PEOPLE who decide they want to try it...The treatments I don't agree with but the people who want alteranatives have that option and I am glad for them...Just don't come in here putting the people down.........Don't post here unless you have some connection to breast cancer.............I agree with Anomdenet.....You're starting to sound like a troll......
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My position is very simple. The Mexican Clinics are all about scamming desperate people out of their money. They are of no value whatsoever except to give false hope to those who have nowhere else to turn. Nobody who is not desperate, with all of the information on the internet, could ever possibly consider treatment at these clinics and nobody of sound mind would actually believe that they have figured out how to cure breast cancer and that the cure is being hidden by western medicine. I have nothing against alternative medicines, especially for those who cannot be helped by conventional medicine. I just have a real problem with scams taking advantage of desperate people. But for those of you who don't agree with me, that is of course your right, just as it is your right to go down to Mexico and hand over your money. Let us all here know how it goes.
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Any article that quotes Barrett (who has lost many law suits because the juries/judge determined he got his facts wrong) is immediately discounted.
Discounted by who? I think the guy is hero for exposing the sleaziness of some of the alternative medicine practioners. Who knows how many lives he has saved by making people aware of what's going on out there and warning them of the same. Its just too easy to be taken in by alternative medicine scammers, or conventional medicine scammers for that matter. I do think many conventional medicine doctors are mediocre at best and so if you are facing a life threatening disease you need to select your physicians with as much discretion as possible. I'm not sure what Fl Lady's beef was with MD Anderson, but I know my wife got excellent treatment at our National Comprehensive Clancer Clinic. But I would assume even there you might get poor doctors. But going to Tijuana for treatment? You got to be kidding?
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You have never been to a Mexican Clinic, never toured the clinics, and are passing along your sweeping opinion as fact. This is unethical rumor-mongering of the worst sort.
Please do not tell the educated people who have studied the clinics and are in constant touch with the treatments used there that we are desperate or stupid.
Consider the fact that some of us have been investigating and studying the foreign clinics for 25 years.
Please get off this alternative/complementary board. If you need stimulation, you can go to a mainstream thread and tell those people how stupid we are. Tell Dr. Barrett that you have delivered his Quackwatch message.
And finally, have some consideration that people with cancer are very fragile and your continued trolling can cause them great upset.
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