Friends? What friends??
This is my first time posting ANYTHING. (Am kind of a technophobe.) But have found that all my "friends" have deserted me during my dx, surg, & rad. Why??? Does this happen to everyone? Some of these people I have know for 10 - 16 years & NO phone calls, NO cards, NO support!! I can't believe it & am having a hard time dealing with the resentment & bitterness because of it. I thought I mattered. HELP!!
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It is very common. When I first got a bad needle biopsy, I told my " best" friend of over 20 years....and did not hear from her much for an entire year until 3 days before my mastectomies!!! Guess how that conversation went: what's new?Well.......
She is pretty much out of my life now because I believe she has some issues of her own to deal with.....Sometimes people get paranoid for themselves when someone they know has a medical crisis, and they can't deal. They are sorry, and hopefully will never know what it feels like on the receiving end. You will find much support here from people who care and understand.
Moogie
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Moogie - Thanks for the input. I certainly hope for support from here. I tried a therapist/psychologist. Her answer was for me to start walking & keeping a journal. Hello! Already there! What didn't she get? And how are those the answer to my depression? I guess I was (& am) looking for validation of my feelings & a renewed sense of self worth. Most of that was stripped away by my "friends" lack of concern (I revisited our conversaions to make sure I had said "Breast Cancer" & not "Hang Nail"). Any way, thanks for the comments. It's nice to know someone out there understands:)
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Becca the gals on this board are amazing. They have helped me so much. It to bad sometimes I think people don't know what to say so they say nothing at all.
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Becca J--I think it's true that a lot of what's going on when people distance themselves has more to do with them than it does with you. All of a sudden, you become a symbol of mortality, of what can go wrong (even with an early stage cancer). Some people don't have the temperament to be able to look into that abyss.
I've found that some of the people I really expected to be there for me weren't really there, whereas others who were more on the periphery of my life before this have really stepped in and been there for me. I try not to be too hard on the ones who step away, but it's hard.
When I told my brother I had to have surgery on my breast because of some "bad cells," his immediate response was to start complaining about his job. No acknowledgement of what I'd said, whatsoever. I was stunned. I said, "Did you hear what I just said?" He said yes, he'd heard, but he wasn't sure if I really wanted to talk about it!
And I know he loves me.
People are so complex. The only thing I can tell you for sure is that this board is a godsend. Fears, concerns, laughs--whatever you want to share, you'll find compassion and comaraderie and the kind of understanding that can only come from people who are traveling the same road.
God bless,
Ace
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Becca,
I'm so sorry. Some people just don't know how to cope...or you remind them of their mortality. The ladies on this discussion group are awesome. My guess is that there will be lots of them to come along to help with suggestions. I'm sorry I don't have any for you. Take care...you'll find someone who you didn't expect to respond, will. Phyllis
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I think we sometimes have high expectations for people and they fail us that way.
Modern life isn't what it once was, everybody is so busy and nobody really rallies round you without being penciled in months ahead of time.
Oddly I think you get more support if you work. My co-workers are the greatest. It's not like they're there constantly, but I see them so regularly and we all keep up with one another. Almost like you'd think your neighbors or friends would.... Except I hardly know my neighbors and my friends are very compartmentalized.
At least you've found the bc.org gals!
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You may not wish to "resort to drugs", but this may be a time when a mild anti-anxiety pill, such as Trazodone, will help smooth out these rough days.
I was very fortunate with support, but I too was surprised at the lack of affect when I shared "what's up" with some people. Let it roll off, and form some new friendships as you recover.
Everyone above has given you good advice, and will be here for you. You are not alone.
Blessings.....
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I think that people dont know how to deal with folks who have cancer so they dont deal period, others just like people who dont pose problems or discomfort for them. I'm sorry to hear that your friends are of the "fair weather" sort. Then again payback's a bitch!
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My breast surgeon said last week when I told her my SIL had been dx 2 wks ago w/IDC just dont ignore her and I told her I know why she has said that ..I went to a fmaily reunion on my husbands side (we have been married 23 years and I love his family ...we are all family) but not ONE of them came up and said I heard u had surgery or I heard you have to go back for more etc not one I was hurt but hid it very well just chalking it up to they are uncomfortable w/it ...I always wonder if it was some other part..like my leg would I get the same non-reaction...just wondering
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I think I used to be one of those people who really didn't know what to say. Today--after being on the other side--I always reach out and hug. And I don't forget to send a kind email, card, or pick up the phone. It doesn't have to happen often--its those once in awhile "you look great" pick me ups that really count.
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ehall...I totally agree...just a "im thinking of you " gesture...
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I have experienced some of that too. Some people won't talk about it with you at all. Like it doesn't exist.
I had a whole bunch of support going through the biopsies and my bilateral mastectomy. I just went through my expander/implant exchange. I have a lot less support through this surgery. Like I'm old news or something. Maybe since it was diagnosed early and I didn't have to do radiation or chemo or even Tamoxifin, it isn't a big deal to people. But it is to me!
The good thing is that I think it has shown me who my really good friends are.
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Becca.....As has already been said, the ladies on this board are awesome....You will find tons of support and validation here!
Having your feelings and fears affirmed and validated is so important.....I had a friend, who had just learned that I had finished my treatments, say "so you're all Ok now"? I know she meant well, but no, I am not all "OK" now......Far from it.
Some people are really not able to cope with having a close look at cancer, and what it will do to you and your family. They fear it might happen to them.
I found that a couple of people I had expected to hear from did not call or anything, but that one gal in particuar, who I did not expect to "care" did....She went to some of my traetments with me, too me to breakfast and lunch.....And has gited me to two visits to a wonderful massage therapist. You just never know...
So...Hang around here, and you will surely get the help you need.....I don't know what I would have done without the wonderful gals here.
God Bless,
Sandy
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Becca----I'd never posted anything til yesterday and am already comforted by the quick and reassuring responses. It seems we are all in this together. Many people aren't comfortable talking about breasts to begin with and if yours are dysfunctional....well, they don't know what to say. This doesn't mean they don't care; it means they are scared or don't know what to offer you. Hang in there.
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Becca, Welcome to the most caring place. I also feel like my friends have throw me OUT with the bath water. LOL. No it's not funny, but at least you know where you stand in life. We can reach out to others now. I now look at other peoples differently. Hope for the better. may we help you here. always
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.PS. since dx. my hushand decsided to move. So I have one in this state. always
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Boy can I identify with what so many of you are saying. Folks I thought of as aquaintances have really been there for me. They call, send cards, visit, help when needed, and most of all, are willing to really listen when I need to talk. Then there are my two closest friends (or at least I thought they were). One has not called or visited since I was diagnosed (she lives a mile and half from me). She did send an email telling me that I was the strongest person she knew, and that even on my worst days I've handled this better than she ever could. WTF!!!! I wanted to write back to ask her what she is basing this opinion on...she hasn't been here for my worst days, or any of my days, in the past 2 months. The other friend did come over to help me with something two days post surgery, but only because I asked for her help. She called me for the first time in two months earlier today. I guess, better late than never??? She couldn't understand why I sound tired...after all, I should be done healing by now. Ok, I'm done venting now. Thanks for listening. I wish none of us had to experience this "friend abandonment", but at least we're in good company!
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yes telling your family-friends and acquantainces can bring out some very strange reactions- i believe alot of women do not want to even hear the words "breast cancer" (even if it is someone else's cancer) because that way they would have to acknowledge that it DOES happen and it could happen to them so by walking away from any conversation involving cancer they are (foolishly) convincing themselves it cannot happen to them- i also believe even in this day and age people still feel they can "catch" cancer from another person- sounds crazy but that is how alot of people act- i was very lucky to have 2 friends- both RN's as am i and a sister that loves me very much take care of me through both of my surgeries- the medical knowledge helped alot and even in the most discouraging moments nurses are quick to make little jokes and it does not seem offensive or inappropriate- so sometimes laughter got me out of some dark times- my sister provided food- rides- new pj's after surgery- books- magazines- movies and never got tired of holding me while i cried my eyes out- she was wonderful as were my friends and believe it or not my ex -husband was incredibly supportive and always there for me- so try not to worry about the one's that have walked away -they are probably more afraid than you are because you have already faced your biggest fear-you are strong and they are not and that makes some people uncomfortable- find your strength from other sources- prayer- yoga- walking- learning all you can about cancer and come to the boards often - we are always here- keep the faith ladies-
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Everyone - Thank you SO MUCH for your words of support & encouragement. It's amazing (& sad) to realize that my experience is not unique. I have tried to put myself in my "friend's" shoes. I hope that I would have responded better to them if they had had breast cancer than they did to me. I turn 50 (yee, Gads!) on 9/29 & have tried to explain to my husband (Bless him) that I don't want a party. Why would I want to provide food, drinks, & merriment to people who weren 't there for me during my time of need (& still aren't)? Awkward. At any rate, I truly appreciate y'all's input:) Have a blessed day!!
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melmedic06 - I'm so glad that you had some support through your ordeal. It sounds like you have a couple of "rockin" friends - God bless them!! Your comments about not being able to "catch" cancer reminded me of the first time I explained to my group of "friends" that I had Breast Cancer. I gave a brief overview of DCIS & then explained that, "The best news for all of you is - it's not contagious!" I was shocked at how many shoulders slumped with relief. Were they not aware that I was kidding? Apparently not. Any way - thanks to all. You've given me more support in the past 24 hours than I've had in the last 6 months!!
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I absolutely hate to admit this, but after going through breast cancer and having my family totally let me down (my friends were pretty good though), I am finding that I'm doing the same thing with one of my friends who has ALS. She is someone I work with, who had breast cancer right before me and was like a mentor to me. Now she is deteriorating/dying from ALS and I have no idea how to respond or what to do. She lives 45 min. away, so it is not "convenient" to just stop by. I have 2 young kids, one is autistic, the other is in activities every other night, so I feel like I don't have time to do anything. If anyone has any suggestions for me on what I can do, I would appreciate hearing them. Every time I think I should do something, like send a card, it seems so lame--she is dying for Pete's sake! So I end up doing nothing. :-(
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JustTurned ~
This is difficult...don't try to "choose your words" speak from your heart. Tell her you will always be thankful that she was your mentor and in return if she ever needs to talk or someone just to listen that she can depend on you.
I am sure she knows you are busy with not only your family but your diagnosis...but just to hear someone that cares helps too. Its better to say something...than nothing at all...when her time comes you don't want to say, " I wish I could have said..."
Perhaps, you can send her a little trinket of some kind...I had received two beautiful stones with words PEACE and HEALTH...you can find any little trinket to give her at a spiritual shop. Whatever, you would like to convey...
Best of luck...
Much LUV
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Dear Just, I know what it's like being busy with your family. I've been there. 45 min is to far to just drop in but what about a phone call? A phone call is like a visit and she would probably enjoy hearing from you. Luv is right about speaking from your heart. What a gift to give her, letting her know how much she helped you. She'll know that she made a dfiference.
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I also experienced the sadness and surprise caused by dropping away of my friends, and am surprised at the lack of communication from some family members.You learn so much from this DX, not just about yourself, but about others in your life.
I think it's true that it speaks volumes about their own fears and insecurities. They;re afraid of making the situation worse by saying the wrong thing, so they think they are playing it safe by saying nothing.
The best response that I've recieved from a friend after telling them about my DX, was "Wow, that sucks!" And the second best thing I've heard is "Let me know if I can do anything."
I have internet friends that live all over the world and many have sent little packages or cards. Just one action like that, knowing they took a few minutes to think of me, can make all the difference in feeling loved and supported.
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I'm totally in agreement with everyone. Part of me says, why did I tell people in the first place? I had no idea it would make people feel uncomfortable. I have found my "true" friends through this. Both don't live here, one sends me books, and the other just e-mails a lot and tells me jokes. It's the little things that help. I have had a number of people tell me "if there's anything I can do" but I don't bug them to help w/the kids as I know they have jobs and kids also.
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I am really sorry. Your post made me think. I work for a large elementary school in the office, so I have a constant flow of co-workers that file past my desk and that I deal with everyday. I am lucky in that they have mostly all be wonderful except for a few. There is one lady (younger than I) who had a double mast/double reconstruction a few years ago and she has been a God-send. Even though I really did not know her well beforehand, we have become great friends. The others that have been the most supportive to me, have been the ones that have been thru similar experiences, or who have had close friends or family that have. Some of them have surprised me though -- some say very little (if anything) to me. I think it has a lot to do with life experiences and personalities (like others have said).
Have you looked into any support groups in your area? Surely there are others that are going through similar cancer issues. People that can understand are THE best and you will find out how quickly you will become friends when you have common struggles. Good luck to you!!
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Well, what I did was to incorporate my friends in my treatment...I asked each one to do a single thing that was time limited, like take me to chemo and drop me off, or pick me up so that they didn't have to spend alot of time and they knew just how much time it would take..it also gave me a chance to visit for a short period of time... they all felt like they were of help to me and they were...no one seemed to mind and in fact they were glad to have something concrete and short lived to do...
Sometimes we have to take the initiative...
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I got so choked up reading this thread last night, I couldn't write a response! I've been very lucky that my friends & colleagues have been so great, but there have been a few old & close friends who have done absolutely nothing & that hurts, I admit.
JustTurnedForty, I think what you are going through with your friend with ALS is so common with so many kinds of grief, trauma, loss,etc. Everything we can think of to do for someone going through some big bad thing feels so inadequate that we do nothing. I think this comes from our feeling helpless to make any difference at all in the outcome of what the person is going through. But really, just think about yourself & what helps you when you're down. Honestly, you know I'm sure from being on the receiving end, that it's not really the size of the gesture that's important, it's the fact that a person made it at all.
It really does make a difference to me to get all the emails & phone messages & cards that people send my way, even if that's all they do. If you need proof of that, check out the September Rads group under Radiation & read the posts about my laughing cat card. I got this hilarious card last week from a colleague of mine that made me laugh so much & that I've shared here by link & with a bunch of other friends. (click on www.kksphotos.com/blog.html & scroll to the bottom of the page to see it) That card came from a colleague whose husband travels a lot & she herself works about 20-30 hours a week & has three kids, one of them with Down's Syndrome, so she's pretty doggone busy. I was just so tickled that she thought to send a card at all.
So, do anything, any small thing, for your friend with ALS. It's doesn't matter what. "Just Do It," as the Nike ad says. That's the part that counts.
Kathi
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We are normal! We are special! Some people seem to think the "C" word is contagious. We all have acquaintances, but our true friend you can count on 1 hand! In here we have family. We are never alone here. We share, shout, cry and even give hugs. We really do care about each other. In here is our home away from home. A place to be heard and have someone that really understands! So please don't feel empty, you have us! (((((((((((((((((hugs to all)))))))))))))))))
Ellen
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