The TRUTH, please!!
Hi all--
New to this board, but see some familiar 'faces' from tnbcfoundation. Hi gals, and thanks for recommending this place!
Please, I need some straight talk and advice!! Sorry in advance for making my first post here so long and serious...
History: dx Dec. '06, double mast, 8/22 nodes positive, 6 rounds TAC, rads, hysterectomy and reconstruction, all ending in Nov. '07, 41 years old.
Recently pushed my onc. for a PET/CT scan and there are two areas lighting up, one in a lymph node in the neck and another in the thymus. SUV scores of 7.4 and 2.9. When pushed, he said he had seen scores that high turn out to be just an infection, but that the fact that there are two in diffirent places and of that size, is "significant." He wants me to wait 3 months and re-test. I think it's probably mets.
When no one else will tell you the truth, turn to the experts on discussion boards!! Please, can anyone help:
1. I was told that if the aggressive treatment I had didn't work, there's really nothing they can do if it comes back except take steps to prolong life. What are these steps? Other types of chemo? Targeted radiation? What else? We are considering moving back to Costa Rica to be close to family, and they have a great health care system, but I want to know some specifics, to check out if they offer them down there.
2. If I'm going to die, I would rather to know. I watched my sister chase after every possible treatment, one chemo, radiation, clinic, trial, doctor, workshop after another, all while quickly deteriorating (hers was ovarian, btw). I would rather enjoy my last months with my children (18, 10 and 3) than leave them with those memories. Does anyone know someone who has passed from tnbc, and if so, how long did it take, how painful was it, is there anything they would have done differently?
3. I know every case is different, but I want some numbers on how long people live on average, after mets, patterns of how it typically spreads, etc. Any advice?
Honestly, I'm no chicken little, but I just want to plan for the worst and make sure my kids are taken care of, so I can dedicate myself 100% to the best!
Thanks for reading and look forward to getting to know you all better,
Donna
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I want to share my experience with a CT/PET scan last May.
I had a lesion (1.5 cm) light up in the spleen. The reading radiologist said indicative of malignancy. My oncologist was sure it was a cancer (not breast, however). She thought it was early stage lymphoma or indicative of another undiagnosed cancer in the body.
I had no other symptoms of a problem at that point.
The doctor immediately ordered extensive blood work. All results were normal. A high resolution CT scan w/wo contrast of the spleen found the mass to be a benign cyst caused by a rare congenital malformation of the lymphatic tissue in the spleen.
I had another CT/PET scan at the end of August and nothing has changed. The splenic mass is the same size and showed up as way less metabolically active than the scan in May (radiologist said something about a difference in technique).
What I learned about breast cancer recurrence is that BC usually shows up locally in the breast or nearby lymph nodes. Other metastases show up in the lung, liver and bones. BC very, very rarely comes back first to the spleen and I did not come across any references to it showing up in the thymus.
Of course, in later metastatic disease, the BC can show up anywhere in the body.
That being said, the spot in the thymus is most likely not BC. The one in the neck, maybe, but not likely.
I know you are sure you have some form of cancer (I was positive). Find out if there is a high resolution CT scan that might show structure of the hot spots .
I guess it really boils down to how much faith you have in your doctor if the doctor really feels strongly about waiting three months because it probably is an infection.
{{{Hugs}}}
Mary Jo
My oncologist has proven herself right in the past about various things that showed up in my test results, so I of course became upset when she was pretty sure my results showed cancer.
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Thank you thank you thank you Mary Jo!!
Just when you think you've been through it all, heard bad results, can sort through them with a clear head, something new hits you.
I think I'll investigate some more and talk to another oncologist. So, the "CT" part of a PET/CT scan is different from a high resolution CT scan? He did say that if I really pushed it, he would order an MRI and refer me to a throat surgeon to biopsy the thymus spot. He didn't mention the CT scan as an option.
Thanks again for taking the time to share your story!
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I had what is called a diagnostic CT scan. Because it was for my spleen, it was called an abdominal scan. The CT scan was only of that area and was a much higher resolution (thinner slices). The radiologist was able to get a much clearer look at the lesion and could see the internal structure which lead to the cyst diagnosis.
I could not have a biopsy as the spleen is a dangerous organ to biopsy due to it's high vascularity and its inaccessible position in the body. The interventional radiologist my oncologist sent me to for the biopsy refused to do it based on the findings of the CT/PET scan. He looked at the disc of the scans and told me he thought it was probably benign and suggested the diagnostic CT scan. He said he only does splenic biopsies with a lot more proof of possible malignancy and has an emergency surgery team standing by in case of problems.
The thymus is easily accessible for biopsy and a biopsy would give you a definite answer.
The only way I would know if my diagnosis is correct is if my spleen was removed or at autopsy. I'm not ready for either procedure.
So, decide if you can wait three months for another CT/PET scan or need to have the answers now ( and I do know what the waiting will be like).
This why many oncologists don't routinely sent patients for CT/PET scans. The false positives give the patients a lot of stress until resolved. I would be a lot less stressed if my oncologist didn't believe in them. She, however, likes to have CT/PET scans done.
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Thanks so much for that information!
In my haze, I didn't think to simply Google breast cancer mets to thymus. But I did see a couple articles that repeat what you just said...very unlikely that it's that.The spleen would be an unusal place for mets as well, wouldn't it?
Do you ever wonder what would happen if everyone in the world got a routine scan every three months? We would all be crazy, neurotic lunatics running around like chicken little all the time!
I plan to go to another oncologist this week and ask all these questions. Not sure about the biopsy. I'd like to know what else it might be. The infection excuse makes sense in the neck, but not so much in the thymus. As I understand, the thymus is in charge of regulating the immune system, and kind of kicks in when there's a threat. Could it light up with just any threat to the system, like an infection?
Thank God these boards are open all weekend, when the doctors' offices are closed.
Thanks again, Donna
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They don't tell you, but skin mets is the 5th most common site for breast cancer mets. It was misdiagnosed as "post radiation dermatitis" by both my GP and surgeon. Onc did a biopsy and it was postive for breast cancer! This is after double mastectomy, chemo, rads....the whole nine yards. Triple Negative really SUCKS.
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Yes, having a BC recurrence show up in the spleen is very rare. However, the congenital malformation I have resulting in the splenic cyst is also very rare. If it had to be something rare, I am glad it is the benign cyst.
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Well first of all, a lymph node is not necessarily a metastasis. That would depend on the biopsy of the node's findings. I know, personally, a woman who has lived 17 years with bone mets. They pop up and they rad them, they go away for a time, and if they come back, they zap them again.
The Thymus is not a place breast cancer usually goes. So I would put my money on a false-positive, and this is the exact reason people like Dr. Susan Love do not like us to have these tests without symptoms. She says too many false-positives, too much worry, and too much disruption of your life to be worth it. Others, of course, have different opinions.
So try not to worry till you know more. It is hard, but you can do it.
Gentle hugs, Shirlann
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I'm sorry I want my scans regular...you just need to know that you may get a false positive. I rather have that, than be like a lady in my support group. They finally scanned her she had bc very where. All her nodes, bone, liver and lungs. She had no symptoms. This was in one year. Triple neg is too aggressive to not stop on top of it.
You can have quality of life with mets. I just saw a lady who was 10 years out and had 92 chemo tx. She looked wonderful. I'm three years and feel wonderful and work full time. But you do need to not jump ahead, you never know how you will respond to treatment or hopefully doctors will make advances in the next few years that could help us.
You need to make a decision to take care of the rest of your body, while the doctor work on you cancer. This is the key to having quality with metastatic disease.
I hope you find your answers soon. You can do this next step. Just hang in there.
Flalady
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Thanks all--very sage advice.
Whatever it turns out to be, I took this as a wake-up call to get serious about diet and exercise.
I do plan to 'test drive' another oncologist. Florida ladies--any recommendations? Thinking of trying someone at Sylvester in Miami. I'm in the West Palm area.
Besos, Donna
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sibu,
I'm sorry...I don't know any onc. in this area. If I were you I would start asking around. I have found talking to the nurses and girls in my surgeon's office, even the girls in my chemo department was very open to talk about doctor they hear good things about. Start asking every one you can find. Another way is to go on the websites for the clinic, and research the onc. education and history. If find the bc surgeon nurses stay update with patients and find out real quick who are the good onc. You may want to call their offices first. If there is a larger support group in your area you want to step in a few meetings and ask around.
Best wishes in your research.
Flalady
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