Starting Chemo May 2008

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  • Sable
    Sable Member Posts: 738
    edited September 2008

    Ok, just watched "I am legend"... why is it every movie I watch now is about cancer in some sort of form? Looking at the movie from this end of the spectrum, I could sypathize with the victims/monsters. Hell there are days that I want to bite somebody myself for everything I have gone thru. And I look alot like them too. Hard to put on eyebrows when you can't be in the light LOL

  • rock
    rock Member Posts: 1,486
    edited September 2008

    Clarification: I compose to-do lists IN MY HEAD while I walk. Any things to do that I actually remember by the time I get home get written down.   

    So I went for my walk with a friend (around 3 miles, nothing too huge). Came home. And have slept for almost 4 hours.  I have been burning the candle on the ends of the bridge that I'm not crossing or whatever the metaphor is so maybe this was my body's way of rebelling.

    Cris? THREE pokes? No. That is too wrong.  When I was having lesser poke issues, I took to singing made up songs while they tried to get it going.  Yep, I stared at the ceiling singing "Do-do-do-do dooo. Waiting to get chemo. Do-do-do-do-doooo..." so that I wouldn't go INSANE. I'm thinking you should think about crooning. It won't help with the pokes, but it could be kind of entertaining.

     "Hard to put on eyebrows..."  Jen, Jen, Jen. You are cracking me up.

    (Yoohooooooo, Ms. Karin, are you around? And Jean...how are you holding up, sweetie? I hope you have a good quilt or whatever you need to help feel comforted.

  • rock
    rock Member Posts: 1,486
    edited September 2008

    Noelle, you were so wise to let your mom go. I had a good friend who died of AIDS on Sept 8, 1988. She hadn't been eating in weeks. I was so happy when she called me at work to say "Bring me an Italian sausage sandwich with extra green peppers tonight." But she died before I got there with the sandwich. I learned later that it is not uncommon for people to die when people who are always around leave for a bit (e.g., step out to get coffee, go to work) because they know their loved ones don't want to let them go. I just wish I had let her die and let her know that it was okay if she died instead of keeping vigil, sleeping in the bed next to hers terrified she might stop breathing. I'd go to work, and then come back.  I begged her to stay alive sometimes.

    I was so young and stupid then. I think of her at the beginning of every school year. (You know what's kind of cool? Her last name was "Love." I miss her. I can still see her, and us, so clearly, you know?

  • Roxi65229
    Roxi65229 Member Posts: 462
    edited September 2008

    CONGRATULATIONS Randie. 

    Got my markings yesterday for rads. It's gonna been a long haul. I figured I'ld be there until November 3. God that sounds so far away. 

    My mouth sores were sporatic, like my eyelashes and hair. The nurse took a look at my sprouts and said, I think your gonna be white. WTF! My plastic surgeon predicted this. He kept calling me the silver fox. Okay, white at 47 just ain't happening. Argh!!!!

    My memory is slowly coming back. How long does this chemo brain last anyways?

    Mary 

  • ellenoire
    ellenoire Member Posts: 674
    edited September 2008

    Rox, we all start out with hair that has no pigment, so it looks white. It took weeks for me to get colour in my hair, but I have it now!

    I can actually rub my head and touch hair, and not skin. 

     I look a bit like a hedgehog though. 

     Chemobrain can apparently be permanent for some, but for others it goes away. I use it as an excuse all the time.

    I have very few memories of things that happened during chemo... if my staff says one more time " Don't you remember...?" with regards to anything that happened since mid April I scream NO!!!! My partner says I am still a lot slower at my thought patterns than I used to be. 

    We will all be fine. 

     Siouxie, you asked where everyone lives. I live between Toronto and Niagara Falls in Ontario Canada. So Buffalo, Detroit, and Northern Pennsylvania are driving distance from me.

    With enough notice I can fly anywhere to meet up with y'all.

  • ewesterman
    ewesterman Member Posts: 417
    edited September 2008

    Roxi,

    I am coming in white and I am 47 ....we can dye white whatever color we like...purple, orange, green.

     Randie -- one more hip hip hooray plus way to go on dessert.

    Cris, glad you got through and no more poking...okay? Three? Ai!

    Rock, am still so glad you are back...LOVE your sense of perspective.

    Otter, you are a rock as well as Rock as well as an otter. Does that make sense? Thanks for your perspective.

    Sue....Seattle, but I'd go anywhere (except Texas today) to hook up with you all.

    Noelle, my hair has slowed in coming in...maybe from that last DD of taxol? I am only a week out of it....but if Jen's is coming back, mine is too ...have seen no new lashes or brows but I am getting really into drawing in the brows.

    Things are better with dh....we must've needed a yelling match...maybe we had too many months of walking on eggshells. It's going to be okay.

    Our youngest son, Adam, just got cast as Fagin in Oliver. He is jazzed as he loves being on stage. It's going to take lots of driving and running around, but it'll be worth it.

    One bad thing about post chemo is I have no more excuses. I am at a board meeting tonight until nine then come back to work Saturday at 8:30.....but, my attitude is different. It is okay if I am tired because I am DONE. We did an ad shoot with our Washington governor today. RIght in the middle of it, I pulled her out of the shoot by whispering, "We need a breast cancer shot." She said, okay, right now. She is out five years. Dottie is out 2.5; one of our dear members, Jenny, is out of chemo 6 months and I am out one week...Head for my blog to see the pic if you want. It was cool. It's not posted yet as you all know I have tech dweeb issues, but I'll post in a few minutes. I may hop on later during the board meeting. Ciao and have a wonderful evening. Linda, the strike looks like it is going to resolve over the weekend (please!!!).

  • lewing
    lewing Member Posts: 1,288
    edited September 2008

    I'm feeling all kinds of good energy from this thread!  And I needed that, because today was stressful: busy all day at work but got nothing done, saw oncologist, paid big car repair bill, had testy exchange with daughter, etc. etc.  (Testy exchange with dd was actually kind of funny.  She calls me on my cell just as I'm getting dropped off to pick up my car - the one with the new $600 fuel pump.  I tell her what she can have as an afternoon snack, instruct her how to prepare it - 15 years old, and she can't figure out how to reheat leftover pizza?? - then tell her I really can't talk now, good-bye.  Two minutes later the phone rings, and it's her again, asking about a sleepover.  "DIDN'T-I-TELL-YOU-I-CAN'T-TALK-NOW??" I scream at her.  Felt bad afterwards, but geez: in what universe does "I can't talk now" translate into "Please call me again in two minutes and I would LOVE to hear about your sleepover plans"??)

    Roxi/Mary, can we take a shovel to your surgeon, for the white hair comment?  As Noelle said, it ALL comes in white.  I'm betting that if you weren't white before, you won't be now, either.  (That's what I'm telling myself, anyhow.) 

    Eddie, hope the Bellevue strike does resolve.  (I get a daily "collective bargaining bulletin," so have read a little about it.)

    Noelle, steal any or all of the poem with my blessing.  But I think you should also steal Kerry's "fecku" from the other thread.

    Send-off appointment with oncologist was a non-event.  Blood counts are all good.  Picked up my bottle of tamoxifen.  (No grapefruit for the next 5 years kind of sucks.)  Made appointment to have port yanked in three weeks.  (Yippee!)

    Still waiting for that first welcome sign of new eyebrow stubble . . . like the first robin in spring, sort of.

    Linda

  • KristyAnn
    KristyAnn Member Posts: 793
    edited September 2008

    I had a cool thing happen today- well heres the background info. From the time I started chemo, I worked in my office Mon-Wed, had treatments every Thursday and worked at home on Friday - amount worked on Friday was dependent on the work request load and basically how I felt. So after 21 weeks of weekly treatments, with two hospitalizations in between I finally worked a whole week this week. My boss brought in chips and dip and took me and my teammate to lunch to celebrate- Kristy being back on Friday!

    I just thought was pretty cool - she is a great boss and I am as excited to be back as she is to have me back!

    Kristy 

  • otter
    otter Member Posts: 6,099
    edited September 2008

    Kristy, I just checked to see where Lindale is.  You stay safe, OK?

    otter 

  • familyroks
    familyroks Member Posts: 575
    edited September 2008

    Eddie - I've just gotta say...how cool that you got to get a pic with Christine!!  Love her, love her.  Rossi gets on my last chemo-laden nerve.  *sigh*  I hate politics.  Anyway...just wanted to say how cool that is.  You look fab! 

  • familyroks
    familyroks Member Posts: 575
    edited September 2008

    OH!!  and on the white hair thing........shame on the Onc or the Onc nurse or whoever..doesn't it all come in colorless or "white"?  Shit on you and the horse you rode in on.  Ok...I've had a glass of wine or two...sorry.

    My hair came in that colorless fuzz.  Each day, it was more fuzz...still colorless or what some would call white.  This last week, however, has been amazing.  Early this week I started to see color in my "fuzz" that made my scalp look dirty.  Each day my scalp has gotten "dirtier" (that word looks strange).  I have to look in the mirror and frankly it makes me giggle...seriously giggle.  I love it.  There is life on my scalp.  Its amazing.  YET...at the same time...more of my eyebrows are disappearing...WHAT IS UP WITH THAT?  Eddie - I don't know how you do it.  I never learned to draw my eyebrows because frankly...this is Seattle.  I didn't want to leave the house with nice eyebrows only to hit the drizzle and have my eyebrows sinking to my chin.  The picture isn't pretty.

    My incoming eyelashes are distracting me...that new growth stuff...just there in my periferal (or however that is spelled).  When I finally finish my website...it won't have so much white on it.

    I love you guys.  What would we have done without each other in this May group?  No matter how active or inactive you are...you just know the May Group is there for you.

    Everyone have a fabulous weekend!!

  • ranD
    ranD Member Posts: 373
    edited September 2008

    Okay, see if this works...

    ahh..how do I post my picture in here.....i feel like such a non-geek.....

  • Sable
    Sable Member Posts: 738
    edited September 2008

    Sue~ I'm in the Dayton Ohio area <waves>

    Rock~ I aim to please <wink> lol

    Eddie~ Onc told me that the last taxol would stunt my hair growth a bit but then it would kick back in. I have about 1/16 of clear hair going. Frankly I don't care if it comes back orange... just as long as it comes back! It hasn't started in very well center/front..... that has me worried already. I really don't want a huge bald spot there. :O( Congrats to adam! edit/addon LOVE the pic daulink! And you got your eyebrows straight, I'm proud of you. 9 times out of 10 half of my face looks pissed and the other side looks surprised.

    Kristy~ congrats! I can't wait to get that full week back in. Hope you had a wonderful lunch

  • kerry_lamb
    kerry_lamb Member Posts: 778
    edited September 2008

    Lewing!!! There is only ONE answer to the snack question asked by ANY 15 yo : "You'll work it out. Bye!"

    And when parents say, "Can't talk right now", they should MEAN it, and NOT answer the phone when Miss rings back, discussing at length WHY they are unable to discuss something at length.

     When you get home, and invariably get the 'Please explain!!', there is only one answer: 'Did I not say I could not talk?'. And then no more words!

    I am an expert at this shite..I've got 6 step-children aged 12 -28, and I've taught teenagers for 28 years. I have been ground into a different version of my former self, true..BUT! Parents would DIE at the devious strategies and tips for deception which are freely swapped in classrooms! I am constantly taken aback by the innovation. But I have gleaned gold from it, I tell you.

    At home, with my youngest 2 steps, I'm out-cunninging the cunning. The 15 yo BOY cooks for the family one night per week as though he's done it all his life (admittedly with a how-the-feck-did-this-happen....? look on his face) and the 12 yo cooks a desert once per week. We are moving house in January and the boys cannot wait..they talk about it all the time. Their devious stepmama will use their enthusiasm to plot the next lot of domestic responsibilities she is going to shift their way. Kiss 

    XXX

    Can you tell I'm feeling better today, girls? 

  • ranD
    ranD Member Posts: 373
    edited September 2008

    here goes nothing: thought yu would appreciate the humor...it was too late to pose, so I snapped this as we left with my phone.

    cehmoooo

  • Sable
    Sable Member Posts: 738
    edited September 2008

    LOL love it randie!

  • rock
    rock Member Posts: 1,486
    edited September 2008

    So...who among youse has Ike hammering on your door? I watched some of the coverage last night and felt sick to my stomach.  Honest to God, I thought "Well, if it rolls out during the weekend it shouldn't mess with too many women's chemo infusions..." and I wasn't just thinking of us.  Still, what a thing for those women who are in the throes of side effects and having to relocate or bail out a basement or can't reach a doctor or . . . 

    Randie -- Brilliant.  Artfully staged, too.

    "You'll work it out!" -- I'm def adding that to my repertoire and I don't even have kids. Other faves "Do what you got to do!" (when someone is being long-winded about how why they can/can't do something and how tough it is) and "Good luck with that!" (when someone is seeking my approval of something they know damned well is a horrible idea).

    Kristy -- I'm glad you're back and also happy that your returned is appreciated/celebrated! But listen to your body, okay? I was doing great and then the last couple days I have been LAID OUT with fatigue. 

    Adrienne -- SMOOCH and a HUG for my chemo partner.  I'm right there with you.Though yesterday some eyebrows started to come in. I have some stray hairs (the white ones, of course) that are almost an inch long.  Sometimes I wonder whether I'm feeling a hot flash, or whether it's the sensation of a burst in hair growth.

    Gotta go. Headed to a friend's "shack" in the catskills.

  • ellenoire
    ellenoire Member Posts: 674
    edited September 2008

    oh, the catskills.. thoughts of fun movie musicals come to mind.

    Lots to say, mini hurricane leftovers have made our area humid and rainy, so I am off to the fall perrennials planting after a morning at the botanical gardens sale. They want me to volunteer next year, I think that might be a peacful break from my crazy life. 

    As Rock said a little rain won't hurt me. I pray for the people in the path of the storms. 

    Randie, your pic made me tear up! I love that pic! 

     I have new hair and eyebrow pics to post later. They will give you all hope I promise.  As always any one of you can join me on Facebook or my blog to see more pics. PM me if you want info.

     Jen, my bald spot is full of hair now dont worry! 

     more later...

     chemooo!

    N

  • Roxi65229
    Roxi65229 Member Posts: 462
    edited September 2008

    Sue, thanks for taking on the challenge of where we all live. It would be great to get-together and meet you all in person. I would travel at great lengths to meet up with you all. Okay, here's what I've read and picked up (from chemo memory. Hope it's right)

    Roxi (Mary)-Milwaukee, Wisconsin

    Kristy-East Texas, Texas

    Ellenoire-Ontario, Canada

    Eddie-Seattle, Washington 

    Jen-Dayton, Ohio 

    Rock-NYC, New York 

    I had no clue that our hair lost the pigment and everyone's came in white. That makes me feel so much better. Thanks gals. I can't be too hard on my PS though because I have future surgeries and he's a keeper. Magic hands. 

    My hubbie and I are celebrating 23 years tomorrow. So hard to believe. This has been our most difficult year yet, but we did it. Going out to celebrate tonight. You all have a wonderful weekend.

    Mary 

  • otter
    otter Member Posts: 6,099
    edited September 2008

    Roxi & Sue, I live in east-central Alabama.  Wow, we're all over the place.

    otter 

  • familyroks
    familyroks Member Posts: 575
    edited September 2008

    I'm in Bremerton, Washington....just as good to say I'm from the Seattle area ;)

  • lewing
    lewing Member Posts: 1,288
    edited September 2008

    And I'm in Detroit, MI.  That and Dayton are pretty central!

    Linda

  • angelsaboveus
    angelsaboveus Member Posts: 298
    edited September 2008

    Hi  gals

    I'm from Nelson, bc canada

    Have a great weekend ! 

  • ellenoire
    ellenoire Member Posts: 674
    edited September 2008

    I wonder if they still have any summer places in the Catskills like in Dirty Dancing. Wouldn't that be a fun place to meet?

     I am closest to Linda. Cool! I have a ton of family and friends in the Detroit area. My son's godfather is the Pastor at First Institutional Baptist Church. You can see his work here.

    http://ca.youtube.com/watch?v=B3E7AwYFclw  

     Jen, My dad lived in Dayton, Ohio it was one of the many cities my grandfather worked. The dinner bell in my house is from there. It is a little black bell with the words "Ring on Dayton" engraved in it.

     Otter, I have been to Alabama many times. My grandfather ( same as mentioned above) moved there when he married his second wife. She was an English professor at Tuskegee Institute. Grandpa remained an Episcopal minister in the area until very close to the time of his death his best friend was a Tuskegee Airman.

     Cheers everyone.

    I think meeting y'all would be awesome! 

    la la la. I am having a lovely day with no kid and no store. 

      xoN

  • lewing
    lewing Member Posts: 1,288
    edited September 2008

    I've been thinking about Rock's comment about Hurricane Ike, how she's been wondering about the breast cancer patients in the areas hit by the storm.  I'm guessing a lot of us have been having similar thoughts.  Isn't it something, how breast cancer now shapes our reactions to seemingly unrelated events?  When I hear of millions of people potentially without power for a week, I think about cancer patients with Neupogen in their refrigerators, and worry how they'll manage to keep those $300 vials cold. 

    It's shaping up to be a soggy weekend here in the midwest: lots of rain, some flooding.  I drove to Ann Arbor early this morning to run another race.  As the rain poured down in sheets and I passed stalled vehicles, vehicles facing the wrong direction on the freeway, rolled-over vehicles, etc., I felt a little foolish to be driving 45 miles to run a 5k.  But if you aspire to be a hard core runner, you can't let a little rain (or $4.25 gas) deter you.  The race was partly on a paved bike path, and partly on trails.  The trail portions were great: lots of ups and downs over slippery mud.  (See, when you're hard core, mud is good.  The muddier you get, the more badass your reputation.  The ultimate is to fall face first into the mud, get up, and finish the race, preferably placing in the top 3.  But I'm not that badass.) 

    I had a hard time in the last mile (it felt like someone had de-oxygenated the air), but finished about 20 seconds faster than last week's 5k (assuming the course was measured accurately, which a lot of trail races aren't).  I'll take any sign of progress I can get.

    The race was a benefit for the Huron Valley chapter of Slow Food.  Everyone who participated got tickets that could be redeemed at a local festival, being held at a soggy schoolyard a few miles away, featuring locally-produced food.  (Salvadoran corn tamales . . . buckwheat crepes filled with goat cheese . . . paw paw gelato . . . yum.)   There was also a raffle, using our race numbers, and I won a pound of locally-roasted, fair trade, organic coffee.

    Running and food . . . it doesn't get any better than that!  (I say that, and then I start thinking of ways it could have been even better.  The Decemberists could have been giving a free concert.  Sephora could have been handing out makeup samples.  One of my running heroes could have run me in.  Barack Obama could have handed out medals.  But it was still pretty damn good.)

    Enough rambling!  Kerry, I plan to start using that "You'll work it out" line.  Frequently.  Randie, love the picture - funny and poignant at the same time.  Eddie, great shot with the gov (I dropped by your blog), and congrats to the budding thespian.  (I love that word.)  Mary, have a wonderful anniversary!!

    Linda

  • kerry_lamb
    kerry_lamb Member Posts: 778
    edited September 2008

    Morning ladies..I don't watch TV but I'm aware there's a strong wind somewhere in the US. I, too, pray for the chemo-girls. Maybe a hurricane will be a welcome massive public diversion from that tiny, black very private cancer-world. Anyway, God's well-pleased with me, so I'm calling in favors for my Texas sisters, and they're BIG favors!

    Lewing, when I was younger I was bit of a runner and it made me really, really happy. I've decided to reacquaint myself with that world, and the one involving a mountain bike. I need advice though, because I'm starting from scratch..and I MEAN complete scratch..muscle wastage (from my adventures in Feb), total lung shutdown etc etc. Did you keep running through all of this, or were you a 'beginner'? Any advice? What about lymphedema? 

    I've got another response you can use for the teenager. It's particularly effective for those totally off-the-wall complaints eg "THEY PUT TOO MUCH APPLE IN THESE APPLE PIES???" (sook, sook, sook.) The response is, with NO EYE CONTACT, "Never mind". And stop speaking. This is most important..don't have a conversation.Sealed

    I'm in Tasmania, (small island south of mainland) Australia, so I guess I won't be calling around for one of those cakes y'all keep baking.

    I do plan a trip, though..from now on it's all about me,me,me!! Kiss

    Take care, girls. XX 

  • ellenoire
    ellenoire Member Posts: 674
    edited September 2008

    Kerry, I stoppped runnning in Feb, and have just started back. I had no time/ energy to run during chemo( my free, good energy time was spent working, going to medical appointments...).

     Check out Chirunning.com. It is the smartest way to learn/ relearn how to run. It has saved me buckets of energy and pain ( bad knees and a bad back) The books and vids are worth their weight in gold. 

     Linda, I am excited for you that you go to race. Yay for 20seconds!  I love trail running too! 

    Can I join you at that race next year? 

     more later N

  • ewesterman
    ewesterman Member Posts: 417
    edited September 2008

    I say we meet in Tasmania --okay, too expensive. I would love you meet each of you. Linda, way to go on running. I have too much to say to too many and it is too nice out (Kristy, please hang in there from Ike) and the rest of you dealing with rain, it'll go away soon. I worked late last night and most of today, but had to and it was fine even though I was beat. Love you all and thinking of you and will check in later. Chemoooooooooooooo....Randie....loved loved loved loved THAT photo.

  • lewing
    lewing Member Posts: 1,288
    edited September 2008

    Arrgh!!  I wrote a long post, then the phone rang, I hit "submit," answered the phone, talked for half an hour, then came back to find it had disappeared into cyberlimbo.

    I think I started out with a shout-out to Noelle.  Noelle, if you ever find yourself heading to Detroit to visit friends and family, I hope you'll let me know.  I'd love to go for a run with you.  For that matter, I'd love to just hang out with you.  Heck, I'd love to learn how to exfoliate from you! 

    (I looked up Dundas - that's where you are, right? - and discovered that it's right by Hamilton.  That's really not very far at all.)

    Kerry, I've been to Tasmania!!!  I knew you were from Australia, but not where in Australia.  My grad school boyfriend took a teaching position in Sydney back in 1988(!), and I went to visit him there his first year.  We wanted to explore the country some, but couldn't agree on a destination - I said the Great Barrier Reef, he said Tasmania, so we ended up going to both.  In Tasmania, we went on a group sea kayaking expedition around the Freycinet Peninsula (did I remember how to spell that correctly?), camping along the way.  It was great.  We saw tons of wildlife - wallabies and pademelons (another word I love!) and possums (always trying to steal our food . . . one night one got under the floor of the group leader's tent, and burrowed to and fro while he tried to wallop it, like a real-world game of whack-a-mole) and all different sorts of birds.  Sigh.  I would love to go back there, if it weren't so damn far.

    (Oh, and the boyfriend is still there - he has dual citizenship, is married with twin girls, and is still a great friend.)

    On running: I took up running in my mid-30s, for recreation/fitness, then started to train more seriously in my 40s.  I managed to keep running all through chemo, but at a much reduced level - maybe 20 miles/week of slow jogging, with walk breaks when I was anemic or otherwise hurting.  My advice to someone who's just starting up (or restarting) is to take it S-L-O-W-L-Y.  If you can run on trails, or some other soft surface (like a dirt road), do that.  Jog at a super-easy pace, take walk breaks if you need to, and gradually try to increase the running portions until you're running the entire time.  I'd recommend focusing on time rather than distance (e.g., set out to run for 30 minutes, not 3 miles or whatever), and work on increasing your mileage (I guess, to be consistent, I should call it "timeage") before you even start thinking about speed.  As you start getting more comfortable, it's a good idea to mix up longer and shorter runs, and shoot for one easy long run (which might be 45 minutes at first, then an hour, then over an hour) a week.

    As you can see, I love talking about this stuff!

    Linda

  • KristyAnn
    KristyAnn Member Posts: 793
    edited September 2008

    Im in East Texas, near Tyler- about 100 miles due East of Dallas and 100 miles due West of Shreveport, Louisiana. hurrican Ike passed through- rain and wind all day but no damage and no power outages----so I cooked all day and played in the house- GREAT DAY!

    I have a little bit of a viral sore throat- hoping it clears up soon!

    Thanks for the advice Rock- I really watch the energy level and am pretty careful because I do tend to do too much with the job and house full of kids- Im much better at delegating and letting the kids do more than I was 6 months ago!

    Lemon bars, broccoli cheese quicke and whole wheat biscuits for everyone!

    Kristy 

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