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Colloquialism, I would demand McCain to have enough judgment and sensitivity not to use an old west folk saying of ‘he would complain if you hung him with a new rope' even if it is a common joke\saying in Arizona. I would hope Obama would have the same sensitivity and judgment on lipstick and farm animals when one of the 4 candidates is a woman, noted for lipstick, or rotten fish with her having the nick name baracuda
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Out of over 180 countries, only 12 are currently headed by women (as of December 2003):
In Asia and Pacific- Gloria Macapagal-Arroyo, President of the Philippines
- Megawati Sukarnoputri, President of Indonesia
- Khaleda Zia, Prime Minister of Bangladesh
- Helen Clark, Prime Minister of New Zealand
- Chandrika Kumaratunga, President of Sri Lanka
In other parts of the world
- Beatriz Merino, Prime Minister of Peru
- Anneli Jaatteenmaki, Prime Minister of Finland
- Tarja Halonen, President of Finland
- Mary McAleese, President of Ireland
- Maria das Neves , Prime Minister of Sâo Tomé and Príncipe
- Valeria Ciavatta, Captain Regent of San Marino (appointed Oct 2003)
- Mireya Moscoso, President of Panama
- Vaira Vike-Freiberga, President of Latvia (re-elected Jun 2003)
Other women leaders in government include:
- 5 Vice presidents:
- Sandra Pierantozzi, Vice President of Palau
- Milagros Ortiz Bosch, Vice President of the Dominican Republic
- Annette Lu, Vice President of Taiwan
- Aisatou N'Jie Saidy, Vice President of Gambia
- Astrid Fischel Volio, Vice President of Costa Rica
- 4 Governor-generals:
- Silvia Cartwright, Governor-General of New Zealand
- Ivy Dumont, Governor-General of the Bahamas
- Adrienne Clarkson, Governor-General of Canada
- Pearlette Louisy, Governor-General of Saint Lucia
- 4 Major opposition leaders:
- Sonia Gandhi, President of the Congress Party, India
- Aung San Suu Kyi, Leader of the National League for Democracy, Burma
- Angela Merkel, Leader of the CDU, Germany
- Jenny Shipley, Leader of the National Party, New Zealand
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Summer, I posted a very long list of women leaders in the 20th Century on another thread. In addition, as you note, your list is out of date. Merkel is not opposition leader; she is the leader in Germany and very effective too. And you leave out South America, which has two major leaders, in Chile and Argentina. I also believe that Shipley is no longer in opposition in Australia--I don't keep up on Australia so could be wrong there. And, interesting, for perhaps the first time, the husband of a leader, without qualifications of his own, is now head of government (Pakistan) mainly because of his deceased wife's influence, which means that finally the tables are turning. We are still backward but getting there. Also interesting is that more frequently than some might expect, women on the right are getting elected to the highest positions. Thatcher and Merkel are two that I can think of, but there are many more. It may happen here as well, with Palin.
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Thank you for clarifying my outdated information anneshirley. (I need to be more careful about that). The current Govenor General of Canada is Her Excellency the Right Honourable Michaëlle Jean.
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Using the argument that terrorism is a result of poverty, unemployment, and lack of hope for a better life. That these factors creates recruting grounds for suicide bombers. If one turns to a more radical form of religion, one that removes blame from your people, and moves it to others (Jews and the west), add this with the belief that a perfect paradise comes with martydom, we see how a force is produced that cannot be defeated by armys. I do believe that Bush understood this. He got a lot of grief for saying the military would not defeat terrorism. What he did not finish saying is the military has the difficult role of removing the impediments to ecconomic develoment and the viablility. of a middle class. In middle east countries,. to do this must be done trying to win the hearts and minds of the people. Saddam was an impediment, the taliban was an impediment, al queda was and the criminals and insurgents are. George Bush, My President, knew this. He knew that the military must first break the ground before the seeds of democracy could be planted. Once this garden is planted, the military can stand back and watch and hope that the garden of democracy can spread to countries that surround the new and hopefull region.
President Bush knows this. He knows he would be damned by the hardships that this ground breaking endured. He knows that the fruits of the garden will be many years down the road, with many ups and downs. He knows some other President will be called great because Radical Islam will fall. He knows this, and he was strong enough and honest enough to do what he believed to be right.
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Post has a good article on the lessons of 9/11 and both candidates attitudes
Here is another from Investors Business Daily
ibcspouse-- This was Obama's response after 9/11 blaming it on a "failure of empathy"
Obama’s response to the event was published on September 19th in the Hyde Park Herald:
"Even as I hope for some measure of peace and comfort to the bereaved families, I must also hope that we as a nation draw some measure of wisdom from this tragedy. Certain immediate lessons are clear, and we must act upon those lessons decisively. We need to step up security at our airports. We must reexamine the effectiveness of our intelligence networks. And we must be resolute in identifying the perpetrators of these heinous acts and dismantling their organizations of destruction.
We must also engage, however, in the more difficult task of understanding the sources of such madness. The essence of this tragedy, it seems to me, derives from a fundamental absence of empathy on the part of the attackers: an inability to imagine, or connect with, the humanity and suffering of others. Such a failure of empathy, such numbness to the pain of a child or the desperation of a parent, is not innate; nor, history tells us, is it unique to a particular culture, religion, or ethnicity. It may find expression in a particular brand of violence, and may be channeled by particular demagogues or fanatics. Most often, though, it grows out of a climate of poverty and ignorance, helplessness and despair.
We will have to make sure, despite our rage, that any U.S. military action takes into account the lives of innocent civilians abroad. We will have to be unwavering in opposing bigotry or discrimination directed against neighbors and friends of Middle Eastern descent. Finally, we will have to devote far more attention to the monumental task of raising the hopes and prospects of embittered children across the globe—children not just in the Middle East, but also in Africa, Asia, Latin America, Eastern Europe and within our own shores." -
No one doubts the world needs to be a better place. Dinner with Obama, $28,500.
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IBCspouse, well said. This idea that terrorism is a result of poverty is nonsense. Bin laden was a spoiled rich kid. The masterminds of 911 were all educated and well to do. They use the masses of poor, by getting them to believe that their plight is because of US, just as Hitler blamed all the economic troubles in Germany on the Jews, who where often successful businessmen. Terrorism is Fascism and it thrives because of propaganda. One of the reasons I was for "Bush's War" was because we were losing the progaganda war, and we had been for decades. There was no one saying anything good about the US, only bad, so of course the masses built up this hate. Putin is doing it today in Russia. By stifling any free press, he has his people believing that they were justified to attack Georgia. Iraq now have media that is allowed to criticize their government. This is one of the reasons they were finally able to bring reconciliation between the different Moslem factions that were fighting a civil war.
If Obama truly believes that terrorists are bred by poverty and despair, then why is so so against the fact that we have made it possible for the people of Iraq to build a better future, and have the opportunity to prosper? He thinks sending money is the answer? We all know that the billions the US already sends to Africa does not get to the people, it is siphoned off by the criminals who run those countries. It is only through humanitarian aid groups that people are actually helped, not government money. He wants to build schools in Africa? I say maybe he better build some in Chicago which has one of the worst school systems in the country. Kids coming out of these lousy schools join street gangs just as kids coming out of radical madrass' join terrorist gangs. They both are told that they need to join these groups because someone else is to blame for their poverty and despair. They need to be told to go to class and get an education and then you can get a decent job. And leaders like Obama need to be saying it, by building schools here these kids can take pride in.
The problem with the left and people like Obama is that they only look at America's mistakes. They blame America for everything. America has changed the world not because we are weak, but because we have remained strong. We are what stands in the way of all the dictators who would like to take over and destroy us and oppress their own people. The US may not have always backed the best horse, but we have been forced to back the better of the choices that we may have had. Yeah we have to back the Saudi princes, but the alternative is Bin Laden. Why the left doesn't get this, I will never understand.
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Well said LindaMemm.
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That Charlie Gibson interview wasn't an interview---It was a quiz.
Charlie really wanted that gotcha moment.............
Charlie came off very condescending............I was surprised.....
I thought she aced it.........did very well considering----very choppy editing--what did they leave out?
She'll do fine in the debates........
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She does know how to hold her own. However, I think Mr. Gibson interview was edited. You can tell she was cut off a few times. Would love to see the interview unedited. Need to see more of her before I can make a decision on her stand. Nuclear weapon question scared the hell out of me. And, the question on being the vp. Wouldn't you think she would want to talk to her husband first before uprooting the family. I am sure that question would go both ways, if it would be man or women. I am looking forward to the debates.
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Well heck, I thought 20/20 was tomorrow night- I saw a few of the questions and her answers while channel surfing - want to guess if she got passing marks - she didn't of course.
Right now, we are watching a forum on MSNBC at Columbia - Obama's college - hosted by Judy Woodward and a guy from Time mag. McCain does really well in this kind of setting - he is relaxed and not so stiff.
Obama this time got to hear McCain and he got to formulate answers and responses before he was ask the questions. The guy actually applauded Obama along with the audience at the last break - that didn't happen with McCain.
The questions being ask Obama is not the same questions - what is up with that. Now I'm getting upset -
Brenda
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Brenda--20/20 interview is tomorrow night.
They had the first part of the Gibson interview on ABC world news tonight--Another part will be on nightline tonight and a third part on tomorow's evening News --then later tomorrow evening the 20/20 interview. Whether that will include the earlier excerpts from the interview I have no idea --- Gibson is spending two days with her with unrestricted access.
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Thanks Saluki - I'll watch.
The questions they are asking Obama is totally different - as usual, he talks so much, the questions aren't as many.
During the question and answer time with McCain - I noticed Judy Woodward, with her legs crossed, had one foot that pretty much moved constantly. With Obama the foot is not moving - very telling!! Sure she isn't even aware of it -
Brenda
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Anybody catch the way the Time guy just phrased the question about the "controversy" of Palin's comments about community organizors? "was McCain being hypocritical?" WHAT???? She WAS responding to Obama's campaign's initial comment about her being a mayor of a town of 5000, rather than the GOVERNOR of the STATE OF ALASKA!!! What a joke this interview is!!
Sherri
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Also--McCain was a class act during his interview, complementing Obama over and over. I didn't hear Obama say one nice thing about McCain.
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I am sitting her watching the Columbia forum. I thought McCain did a good job answering questions and getting to the point. Obama keeps talking and I am wondering what the heck he is saying. Just get to the point and stop bloviating! What a windbag. And he keeps saying the same thing, talking in circles! Is it just me, or is he getting twice as much air time? And I agree Brenda, why did he get to preview the questions? And will anyone give McCain credit for speaking at Obama's alma mater? I wonder if Obama would be willing to do a forum at West Point????
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Sherri,
Yes, I saw that - the questions were so different. McCain had to explain the negativity of Palin but not one word to Obama to explain some of his comments.
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I think they both did well tonight but I'm wondering if Obama could hear the questions to McCain and McCain's answers. Early on, Obama actually made a specific reference to one of McCain's answers, which seemed to suggest that he was listening to the McCain interview.
And then there were the questions. They were similar but not the same. That's not ideal, but it's not terrible either - you want the questions to be framed to the candidate and their background and policies and what they've said in the past. But what I thought was really strange - and quite unfair - is that many of the questions to Obama were framed with McCain's original answer. In other words, either the Time guy or Judy Woodruff would say "We asked this same question to John McCain. Do you agree with him when he said that......?" So in asking the question to Obama, they were telling Obama what McCain had said. The ROTC question, for example. The question about bringing one's opponent to serve in cabinet in a Services position. Some of the questions about what could have been done more effectively to draw people into service after 9/11. Some of the questions about expanding public service and military service.
As for the question to McCain about Palin's comment about community organizers, they did ask Obama a similar question about whether he felt that the Dems had unfairly denigrated small town mayors when they put down Palin's experience as a small town mayor. He simply didn't answer the question - instead he said that there were lots of small town mayors at the Democratic convention and he respected small town mayors; he never defended, explained or denounced the comments that had been made about Palin being a small town mayor. He evaded the question, as he so often does (and so often seems to get away with).
I didn't learn much at all from this one.
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Bessie--There was no "cone of silence". Who went first was determined by coin toss---so Obama did have an advantage in that respect.
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I gathered from the comment Obama made, he heard the questions and answers by McCain.
He talks of all his "plans" and all this aid he wants to give, programs he wants to initiate but not one time does anyone ever ask him how he is going to pay for all of this. He has said we can't afford all the money the Iraq war is costing; that we need to repair our infrastructure, etc., so I would like, no love, for someone to ask him how we can afford all that he wants to do. No one ever ask him that - he is given a pass on having to explain all this. It is called "raising taxes" and make no mistake OUR taxes will go up.
Bessie, I noticed how they framed their questions to Obama. BO never answers lots of questions. How did you like how they framed the question to him about him saying he had thought about joining the military but there wasn't a war ? He thought about joining the military as much as I did years ago - we didn't.
I agree Linda, he never really answers anything, he just spins and goes on and on. My DH and I got a good laugh at McCain talking about people living longer and more active lives and then dropped his head and pretended to snore.
I'm upset over the talk of one of the questions put to Palin by Charlie Gibson - well more than one- but the one where she was ask about Georgia/Russia. She said she supported them being part of NATO - Gibson ask her if that didn't mean defending them if they were attacked/invaded . She is being hung out to dry over her answer but BO and Biden also support their being accepted into NATO.
Have you seen the film that was in a Swiss news archive (think it was Swiss) that shows McCain being released as POW and he is saluting? This is now a big deal as if it is a lie that he can't salute. With his arms being broken and him being hung by his arms, etc., as a POW have these idiots not taken into consideration that years later he probably has so much arthritis he IS not unable to do that? I'm sure he also suffered dislocations - all of this causes trauma that he is paying for now. Just like football players that get all these injuries and hits- they may make big bucks but in later years they pay for that with the problems with their joints.
Brenda
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With MIL in hospital, family gathered at her home and do what families do at such times, look through the box of stuff only a mother would keep. Found a newspaper dated Oct 27,1967. It has a picture of my wife in college holding a clock. Mississippi beauty prepares for daylite saving time. I've seen this before, but this time read the paper.
"Radio Hanoi said Lt Cmdr John Sydney McCain, pilot son of Adm John S McCain Jr. was shot down over Hanoi Thursday and captured during the intensive U.S. raiding that Red China charged was "grave step of military escalation"
Also stores on George Romney running for president saying "the Unided States have suffered disastrous loss of leadership in world affairs under the Johnson Administration."
Ronald Reagan deny's running for president but said 1968 was year of Change he also had only the following criticism of Viet Nam war "when you commit your young men to fight and die for a cause,then I believe you are obligated to make every effort in that cause, I don"t think we are.
Brenda. McCain salute was not a proper Military salute, his arm only came up slightly higher than his shoulder, his wrist that is meant to be staight was bent upward at least 45 degrees He made it look good but he could not lift his arm high enough for proper salute.
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Anyone notice how Barack Obama seemed totally uninterested or bored, even somewhat defensive with his expression when Judy Woodward asked questions as compared to when the Time Guy asked questions? Watch the interview again. Pay particular close attention to the end when Judy was thanking Obama, and he rushed right through that and turned to the Time Guy to shake his hand.
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Oh, gosh, where to start. I've been gone ALL day. I got home JUST IN TIME to see Obama on answering questions on the "forum." I also noticed how they'd say, " John McCain answered..yada yada..." and I thought, WTH!! I was sitting there doing my nails and wanted to yell at the TV..what the heck is he talking about..that is, Obama. Then, when the question about his campaign saying that Palin was a mayor from a small town..and what did he (Obama) think about them saying he was a "community organizer", yep, he answered there were many small town mayors at the dem convention and he was surprised that Palin et al belittled (my word) him being a community organizer BUT he glazed right over his campaign belittling her!!! Did he really thing no one would notice?
Linda, I too am proud of the way President Bush has handled going after the terrorists. Of course many mistakes were made. This was a very different war. I pray that Iraq will succeed in becoming the democracy we so hope for. I don't want our young men and women that have lost their lives, or young men and women who have been severely wounded and disabled, or our young men and women who have suffered from PTSD to have fought this war in vain.
I think it took guts for President Bush to decide to send troops into war. He gave S.Hussien plenty of chances before sending our troops. Hussein didn't believe our president would have the guts. Hussein went into his little spider hole. And, of course it's all Pres Bush's fault...none of the responsiblity of the war was on Hussein's shoulders.
I so remember the day that Iraq was freed from that awful dictator. The people were dancing in the streets. Pulling down Hussein's statue. Stomping on the remains of the statue. And I so remember when they were allowed to have their first vote...the little old lady who was SO proud and showed her ink stained finger to the cameras.
And I SO remember seeing those "graves" with all the dead people...children...that had been needlessly tortured and killed.
Yes, it is a different war that we are in now. The extreme Islamist (and that makes some people over there -------------------------> angry when we say, "extreme Islamist) hate us and our way of life. I said EXTREME.....there are good Muslims.
And, yes, Clinton could have "gotten" Bin Laden....but he didn't. So, we blame all of this on President Bush.
I remember watching the Today show seven years ago. When a person came into the classroom where President Bush was reading to the children...I SO remember the look on his face. He finished the book which I thought was the right thing to do. Why scare the children? But, he had been criticized for that too.
What I SO remember was the coming together of our nation...no repubs...no dems...just Americans. There were flags EVERYWHERE. We were PROUD Americans. And now we think we have to APOLOGIZE to the WORLD? I don't think so. And some say they are ashamed to be Americans? All I can do is shake my head in disbelief! And some from this great country say they would like to move to another country? Why? What is so bad about our country? No, it's not perfect. Perfection will never be accomplished in ANY country. And I hear that we are laughed at here in this country when our President cheats on the First Lady, his wife. Do I care if we are laughed at because we expect more from our elected leaders, and that the majority of our citizens have moral values?
I am PROUD to be an American. However, I feel that our country is going to hell in a handbasket if we don't wake up and fight for what's right.
I've been thinking about 9/11 for the last few days. And watching some of the scenes this morning on TV brought it all back. I can't imagine what these loved ones and friends that were left with a whole in their heart feel every time this anniversary rolls around. I just cannot imagine it.
One more thing and I'll stop babbling. Tonight while watching H&C after the forum, Lanny Davis said that Palin made him scared when she said she'd consider going to war with Russia. Well, that's not exactly what she said. She said if NATO went to war that PERHAPS...yes. Not an exact quote. Hannity showed the clip I'm posting below from YouTube. I've seen this before, and I think ole Lanny should be more afraid of Obama. In fact, Hannity asked Davis about Obama's remarks pertaining to ridding ourselves of nuclear weapons..Davis didn't know if Hannity's quotes were taken out of context. I believe Obama would have to change his mind (as usual) since Russia's not being very nice.
Seems like Obama ALWAYS inserts foot! This just proves how idiotic Obama's "policies" are. He scares the crap out of me!http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kRGru2CPC4E&NR=1
Shirley
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About McCain's newly released film from the Swiss. I'm so angry! A statement that was made was HE WASN'T USING CRUTCHES! Where do these Europeans get off thinking they can TRY to influence our vote...like that stupid British "comedian" on MTV awards the other night. I wanted to put my fist right through my TV and bloody his mouth. Yep, I'm getting violent!
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I know, sometimes I think maybe I should not post on this forum either because I don't live in the USA. I really did think about that, and then I thought, we are neighbours, and really, what happens to the US does affect Canada and what happens in Canada does affect the US. Really, I have nothing but respect for the US. I have lived there, my Aunt lives there, my cousins, my sister in law, brother in law and niece and nephew. Many Canadians love to travel to the US and many Americans love to travel to Canada. Canadians are investing in real estate in the US and the US is investing in real estate in Canada. If it is okay to you all, even though I don't live in America I will continue to post here, if you think I should not participate, so be it, I will respect that.
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Summer.
My gender will put me as far more of an outsider on this site than you on this thread, I come to the forum to learn about treatment, SE, and thoughtz and feelingz of the sisters of BC in order to better care for the love of my life. I can't hang out at the golf club talking breast with the good old boys, will maybe I could but not in the way I want to learn. I come to this thread when visiting the site because I respect the minds and insight of all of you. So my vote may be somewhat diminished but you got it, keep posting.
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Oh, Summer, I didn't mean "outsiders" shouldn't post. I believe Beesie's from Canada and her posts are always welcome. I believe (and she can correct me if I'm wrong) that she supported Hillary. The only thing I was referring to was when another country...COUNTRY....tries to sway our vote.
I believe we have very much in common. And, and you too, ibcspouse. I love it when husbands come to this forum to learn more, to talk to us, and even to share their political views as long as the men agree with us...LOL
We have so many women on this board from Canada, the UK, at least one from Italy, and I'm sure more countries. I certainly don't "own" this board, and I would have no right telling you where you can or cannot post. This is YOUR board. We welcome your comments.
When 9/11 happened, Summer, I remember our Canadian friends and how they were so supportive of the USA. Please forgive me if I offended you. I was just angry because this new film that was released about McCain was put out there to make him look bad..like he was faking.
Okay, I'm forgiven, right!
Hugs to you, Sister AND Brother.
Shirley
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It's the calm before the storm. I'm the only one up in my neighborhood with lights on, so either everyone took off in the middle of the night, or they can sleep like babies. We took a room in a hotel with a big lobby that we'll go to later today. My home is too close to trees for me to feel comfortable during high winds.
Anyway, did you see Charlie Gibson's face during the Palin interview? What was he doing? Trying to show the seriousness of his enlightened questions? Who asks candidates about a prayer they had for their troops? For crying out loud this is so out of hand. It was just a prayer Charlie. People shouldn't have to answer these whack a doo type of questions. If everyone wants to believe she's a holy roller, then believe it and move on.
One other thing on Nato, if Georgia wants to join NATO, then the other countries in Nato will have to protect her, not just us. Russia will have to suffer sanctions and whatever else Nato imposes on other members when they break the peace with other member. So, yes it would be a great idea for Georgia to join. And yes it might mean fighting, but fighting by all the member nations to quell Russian advances. So if Charlie was trying to start his own fire storm, it didn't make any sense.
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Summer - Keep posting. You are welcome here. Just goes to show not everyone hates us. You are right about Obama - he really does not like women. I don't think he will put Hillary in a position of power in his administration because he wants all the attention on himself. He would prefer that she retreat into the sunset so that comparisons cannot be made and people will not realize that she would have been the better choice. That is why Sarah Palin is driving him nuts - how dare she take the attention off of him.
Shirley - I watched that video on Obama- OMG - didn't he say on O'Reilly that he would increase the size of the military? Watch the polls and you will know what his position will be. I don't think he has a firm stand on anything and that is scary. I saw the video of McCain - what I heard is that it proves that he was mistreated. He was walking with a limp and was very thin. I guess there were people out there who were saying he was not mistreated and was fed better than the other prisoners. If you look closely he is grimacing when he salutes - after 5-1/2 years in a prison camp to be able to do that again - I am sure he forced his arm up there. The crutches I don't think came in until he received medical care after his release. A lot of his injuries did not heal properly in Vietnam. I think someone else mentioned that today he cannot raise his arms above his shoulders most likely due to arthritis from all the injuries he sustained.
From what I watched of the ABC interview of Gov. Palin, I think she did well. I hope people actually watch and not just listen to the talking heads. She did not say she would go to war with Russia. If Georgia and Ukraine were a part of NATO and Russia invaded it would be our duty to help them (it is part of being a member of NATO). Right now they are not members of NATO so we will not be going to war with Russia. If they were members of NATO, Russia would probably not invade because they would have ALL the members of NATO after them. I would like them to put this same question to BO and see what he would say. If he did not say yes - all his European "friends" would be after him!
Sen. McCain and Cindy will be on the View today.
Is it just me or has anyone else noticed that McCain always refers to BO as Senator Obama, never as Obama or Barack, but that BO always refers to McCain as John or just McCain?
There was an interesting editorial in the Wall Street Journal yesterday about Obama's "Lost Years" (his two years at Columbia). Still would like to know what went on there that he does not want to talk about. Also, I have been reading that he did his community organizing after law school and how he gave up a lucrative career to do that - when actually he did it after he graduated from Columbia and before he went to law school. There is a difference. It would have been very commendable to have done it after law school - since he would not be paid as much and would have most likely a lot of debt to pay off. Before law school it looks good on your application.
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