Jeez guys I am really busy here at work.............I do think that the Obama team has moved from offense to defense.............Summer I am going to have to check  your post a bit later.........I thought I might have time at lunch but it isn't working out............I love dialects.........when I was in first grade I had a speech teacher that was from NYC and she was determined that her little Texas first graders that were having a difficult time speaking were not going to speak with a Texas accent so I really don't have much of one even though I can do one............ok I will be back............Shokk

I told my husband the other day.......watch the Dems send out every woman they could find to attack Governor Sarah Palin. It is funny to listen to these Liberal women attack Governor Palin for having the nerve to be able to have a CAREER, FAMILY, and her RELIGION! If she were  Democrat......she would be SO QUALIFIED and the Liberal Media would be telling you that 24/7.

I think the Liberal Women are so pissed off that the first WOMAN to possibly make VP would not come from the National Organization of Women........but from those HORRIBLE religious nuts on the RIGHT. How dare any nonliberal women steal the spotlight!

The finally Crackup for me was listening to SALLY QUINN (I think that is right), Ms. SOCIALITE and DINNER PARTY HOSTESS of Washington D.C. Her distaste for Governor Palin just ooozed from her pores when she tried to express what was in the best interest of Governor Palin's family. She tried so hard to express her concern for the Governor and how raising 5 children would make it impossible for her to do a good job as VP.  I just wanted to reach into the TV and slap this phony Socialite's face!

I guess only Liberal Women have the right to succeed in the business and political world.....and all the rest of US can stay home, raise our families, and last but not least.....obey our husbands!

So unless your LIBERAL.......you do not have ANY RIGHTS to call yourself WOMAN!

Terry - Woman 

My husband, who still watches MSNBC, tells me that they were all subdued today, and wondered why.  After I gave him the Times' editorial to read, about Olbermann and Matthews, he understood.  But they're like a bunch of kids who were permitted to run wild for some time--for sure it will take them time to return to acting as journalists and not members of a high-school cheer leading squad!

Rumoret, I'm one of those liberal women and I'm not at all pissed about Palin.  If McCain had to pick someone who is pro-life I'd rather he pick a woman, who actually knows the issue first hand and knows the consequences of keeping a child and raising it.  And I know that many (many)  liberal women feel the same.  We won't vote for Palin, and why should we?  She represents positions that most of us find abhorrent, but none of us question her choices as mother and none of us are accusing her of being a bad mother because she's running for VP.  From the little I know of her, I actually think she's a good mother, but either way I don't believe it should be an issue in a political campaign. 

I suspect the women you're seeing on TV (I mean the ones questioning Palin's role as mother, not her  conservative positions) are actually from the Obama camp, and were just as nasty to Hillary Clinton.  There are women, on the left and on the right, who hate to see women other than themselves get ahead. 

anneshirley........thanks for responding on this subject. I should have clarified that not ALL LIBERAL women are in the Obama Camp. I should know.....I have 5 sisters.....and a few of them are Liberal....but not leaning toward Obama. I was directing my criticism toward most of the talking heads who have been sent out from the Obama Camp. I do agree with your statement about women on left and right who hate to see women other than themselves get ahead....I guess we still have room to grow.

Terry 

WomenCount is basically a Democratic organization but it is trying to counter the sexist stuff for all women.  This is the message I just received.  If you want to send a message to MSNBC, click on the section at the bottom or if that doesn't work paste the URL into your own search engine.  And remember your message can be about Hillary and Palin, or just Palin if that's your preference.

Note to msnbc - it's about time

Dear Supporter,

They were two of the biggest perpetrators of sexist comments during this election - MSNBC's Keith Olbermann and Chris Matthews - and now they have been dethroned from their anchor posts and returned to commentary roles at the network.

Their displays of extreme gender bias were not cited as even a factor in the reshuffling, but WomenCount heralds the move as a victory in the fight to stamp out sexism on the campaign trail. Our efforts specifically call on party leaders - or corporate chiefs, as the case may be - to “stop the silence” on sexism. Booting those in high-profile media posts is a good step.

Olbermann famously suggested that someone should take Hillary Clinton “into a room and only he comes out.” His attack reached a new low in its threat of violence.

Chris Matthews called Hillary a “she-devil” and “witchy” and lamented that the reason she was a United States Senator and candidate for president was that her “husband messed around. We keep forgetting it. She didn't win [the Senate race] on her merit.”

Offensive is an understatement. The only thing worse is that Olbermann and Matthews sat in their anchor chairs for as long as they did.

We find it mysterious that no one's talking about their well-documented patterns of gender bias as a factor in their dismissals. In today's news coverage of their removals, we could not find any mention of their sexist and offensive behavior, from the New York Times to NPR. These are news organizations that know better.

Such a lack of recognition of their role in this year's sexist treatment of candidates proves our work is far from finished. Congratulate MSNBC for dropping Olbermann and Matthews but remind them we are still watching closely!   We will forward your message.

Here's the URL.  http://womencount.org/let_msnbc_know

Terry--

I'm glad you recognize that it's only a few women, mainly hacks in my view, who have been hitting Palin on her role as a mother. Most of us think it's just as bad as what they did to Hillary.  Mind you, we will hit Palin on those positions that have nothing to do with her role as a wife or mother. 

I posted the above because I think that women on both sides of the divide have to work together, as I think we once did, to get rid of sexism, particularly in the media.  After that, we can fight about the other stuff, but first, last, and always we're women and we must support each other in the fight against sexism.

Thanks. 

FYI: my understanding of the "FINE AS FROG HAIR" response when someone is asked how they are is that, because frogs don't HAVE hair, being FINE as frog's hair means REALLY fine. LOL!

I was transplanted to the south 19 years ago this month. I have finally reached the level of acceptance wherein the "natives" don't say, "You ain't from around here, are ya?" after they hear me speak.

But hey, they are all in Alaska now aren't they.

Linda, I agree with you somewhat in your comments on God.  It is a double standard to hit Palin for talking about God and not other candidates. So that's the some part. The what: why should any of them talk about God?  Our government is supposed to honor separation of church and state, but we see very little of it with either Republicans or Democrats.  I don't watch the View so I'm going by what you wrote, but if they're hitting Palin for talking about God, I suggest someone send them a copy of the speech Obama gave in Texas during the primaries. If they don't like references to God, that speech should have them gagging! 

I believe the expression "separation of church and state" was coined by Jefferson in a letter to certain baptists, as follows:

"Believing with you that religion is a matter which lies solely between Man & his God, that he owes account to none other for his faith or his worship, that the legitimate powers of government reach actions only, & not opinions, I contemplate with sovereign reverence that act of the whole American people which declared that their legislature should "make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof," thus building a wall of separation between Church & State."

Madison, author of the Bill of Rights, used the expression, "separation of church from state" in his writings, but it's usually Jefferson's expression which is referenced. Also the Supreme Court has used Jefferson's term in most of the cases that have come before it.

The First Amendment, the Establishment Clause, does not use either term. 

But to amend what I wrote earlier, let me ask if anyone here believes that if Obama or McCain were non-believers that either would have a chance of getting elected president in the U.S.?  It is possible in other countries, but not here.  So those who want to attain high office here are forced to lie.  And why should that be, considering the secular nature of our government?

Summer, that piece was send via email.  I'm not all that good!  LOL

Shirley

Does anyone know when Palin is supposed to have her interview with Gibson on ABC?  I would like to watch it. 

I've been gone all day and just walked in - it is 9:30 pm.  My brother just called me and told me to watch Fox news they are reporting on a comment that Obama made today.  I have read the last page and don't see it mentioned - here it is.

BO:  "You can put lipstick on a pig; but it is still a pig"  

What!!  The man has totally lost it.  He said he was talking about McCain - get people to believe that one, at least I don't believe the lipstick remark was about McCain.   

Anyway, you may have talked about this already - I just didn't see it on this page.  Gonna go watch and see what else has happened today.

Brenda 

Just heard that OB camp is sending 30 people (lawyers) to Alaska to "check out" Palin.   I don't think this is going to help him - think it is going to turn lots of people off. 

You know, there's that one defining moment in a campaign that you kinda wish you could.... cut your tongue out, and today was that day for Obama. 

He keeps setting that bar lower and lower.  When I heard him say it, my jaw dropped.  I wasn't given any set-up, I was passing through the room, and there he was tossing his campaign in the dumbster, just like that.