Starting Chemo May 2008
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Eddie -- Stand firm. And I applaud you for saying "it IS about me" and "No, I do not want your hubby to come along." I'm going through a similar situation and while I fear that I've pissed off/hurt a very good friend of mine by saying "Brunch, yes; a whole night & day together, no" the prospect of being held hostage to my guilt hasn't been working for me either. It's all a variation on the theme of telling us how we're supposed to feel.
If the cancer that grows/grew in your breast and the chemicals that flow into your body through your veins aren't just about you, then who is it supposed to be about?
Whack, whack, whack, WHACK.
I really hope your friend comes to her senses.
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I'm back! My goodness, it has been busy here!
Rock--I am so glad you are back!
Eddie--ready here with my shovel-I can't believe that anyone would say that to you. Makes my blood boil.
Had a great time at my class reunion. Actually stayed the entire time, but it was very exhausting--feet swelled something awful, but I survived. Wore my wig, no one could tell it wasn't my hair. Decided to wear it, that way if I wanted to tell someone about the bc I could, if I didn't, I didn't. There were only a few people who knew beforehand. DH took tons of pictures. (He didn't want me to wear my wig, just a scarf--he said that way, people would know that I was sick and it might inspire someone to get their mammogram-I told him that I didn't want everyone to know and I wasn't going so that I could be a poster child-I was going to have a good time and not have to think about it all.)
Hope that everyone has a great day!
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Eddie - I applaud you for standing strong and setting her straight that this is about you. When people are that selfish, they need to get thumped with the shovel. Stay strong and know that this is YOUR last chemo treatment and it will be exactly how YOU want it. Last chemooooo Eddie, hang in there and celebrate it being done. We are waiting with hugs on the other side.
Jean
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Jeez, forget the shovel, lets get tanks and roll over her!!!!
When is it exactly supposed to be about us??
I have 2 friends coming next week for my last tx, well , unless rads count as well! I can't imagine either one of them saying that. Guess you put it in your not really a friend pile and move on,eh?
Kids are starting some of their classes today, it will be quiet here until noon, so backl to commando cleaning!!!!!!!!
randie
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Eddie - I don't even know what to say. I just can't imagine anyone saying that and they certainly wouldn't be part of my "circle of trust" any longer. You focus on YOU. It IS all about YOU and don't you forget it! This is your last CHEMOOOOO! Celebrate it and forget those who think you owe them anything.
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Eddie,
We will all be chemoo--celebrating with you as you cross to the other side and splash in the fun pool!! The rest of us are gearing up to meet you all on the other side soon enough.
Just got off the phone with my uncle. I have now decided not to pick it up if he calls again. It was one of those depressing why did you have to go and get cancer, I am older and should be the one to die first. Die?? WTF???? Every time I tried to tell him how great I was doing and how a positive attitude helps me and my kids, he would bring it back to the terrible tragedy. OMG, I wanted to shoot him! I finally got him off the phone by faking tremendous bone pain.lol...
BTW, got a little bit of shocking news from my mom, my dad went in for a CAt and they found a 6 cm cyst on his liver. He goes in to his GP next week to discuss next steps. And, yes, he was on cholesterol-inhibiting drugs and faithfully went in for his blood work, even tho my mom and I told him he shoudl drop the drugs, he listened to his drs. and now she is madder than heck. I just told him to knock off drinking so much (just a joke, he barely has a drink) and he told me that I should try and stay marriedto my mom without drinking. Hey, now I know where I get my humor gene from...lol
take care and chemoooooo
randie
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Eddie--that friend is no friend. It is ALL about you....but it sure must have hurt when she said that. Sorry you had to deal with that..
Sable, I HAVE STUBBLE!! (somehow that doesn't sound the same..) I, too love your avatar. It's goofy, and lovely.
Cristine--It's a bit late, but you have my permission to meltdown, and I have my shovel ready if you need it (nor for dd, but for anyone else who may run afoul of you). Shovel friends are the best, don't you think? (I'd like to see that sentiment on a welcome mat). Glad you are feeling better and less pressure--it's guaranteed to blow if you hold it in! I hope you get to finish chemo as originally planned, as it feels like such a tragedy to be delayed...
ROCK--It's such a pleasure to read your posts again. I missed you so much. It took me weeks after my diagnosis to figure out I was mostly angry at myself--because I found the lump in December, I have always had lumpy breasts and it wasn't that different from what I had been feeling for years, but I waited until February to see my GYN about it. I was so afraid that it had spread and that would be my own stupid fault. It appears I dodged that particular bullet, and I am grateful for that. I'm so glad you got to spend time with your sister. (I'm hoping she's the sister you like)...I remember when I was 10, my very devout and non-cursing mother called me an "overbearing little bitch"--and I was!! I knew everything, and would argue with anyone. I was that way until I joined the Navy and that particular quality was beaten out of me.
I start rads tomorrow. I have mixed feelings, but have made my decision, and I am trying to just let it go. I've also decided not to decide about reconstruction until I am totally drug-free (I'm still taking pain meds for bone pain)...(and Ativan to sleep at night)...I just want to know I made my decision with my real brain. Speaking of my real brain, before chemo I could remember numbers really well, it was my gift and served me well at air traffic control..we wrote over 200 pilot deviations in 2007, and if you asked me who was involed in, say, number 87, I could usually retrieve one or both of the call signs involved, and remember the controller. Some of you may remember my meltdown at work with chemobrain where I couldn't find this file I was looking for and someone followed me up and found it where I had looked already. Then, five minutes later he did it again, and gently teased me about it. Well, poor guy, I burst into tears, because I just felt so disabled. Point of the story, MY MEMORY IS COMING BACK!!!! It feels so good!!! And I am feeling just that tiny bit better, every day. I feel really happy. (Hope rads don't send me back to that dark pllace where I was, because I never want to go there again.)..
Julie, this is probably not timely, but YOU NEED A FEDORA. Go to Target or Walmart, believe it or not, and check in the young men's section--they are in style again for young men. A fedora, if you don't know, is a hat like Bogey used to wear. I have a large collection going!! It's too hot where I live for a wig, I never even considered it. The great thing about my fedora is it's a hat, and a fan!!! Also, as Rock noted, it's fun to say (fedora fedora fedora)
Karin, how was school today? Did you get lots of germy hugs?
Love all you guys! Hope I didn't miss anybody!
Sue
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My horoscope for today......
Your support means a lot to a friend who's just started something new in their life. A lot of people are skeptical about this person's latest venture, so hearing from you that you're wishing them well could boost their spirits quite a bit. Share your feelings with them, and watch the look on their face turn from doubt to hope in front of your very eyes. They've been there for you so many times, now be there for them. Don't forget that you are connected to your friends in a very deep way.
It fits don'tcha think???
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Jen, great horoscope. How come I never see horoscopes like that? Of course, the only ones I read are in the Onion, where my current one goes, ""Turns out, it's not the ability to reason that separates us from the animals, but rather a very thin, very flimsy wire fence."
Sue, good luck with rads tomorrow. I just don't see them sending you back to the dark place you were during parts of chemo. You're not going back there, period.
(Oh, and fedoras aren't just in for young men. Young women - including my daughter - love them too.)
A weird thing happened to me last week. I went for a run in the evening, and on my way back, I pass a 60ish? maybe 70ish? man walking his dog. He calls out to me, "great haircut," in a joking sort of way. I say something about owing it to my oncologist. That seems to startle him (is it possible he thought my baldness was voluntary??), and he calls out, "hey, come back here." I do, and he's suddenly all serious, telling me about his own two bouts with cancer. We talk for a while, and as I'm about to take off, he says, "let me rub your head." And without waiting for a response, he does. For good luck? As a show of support? For the sheer tactile pleasure of it? Out of some kinky fetish for sweaty bald women?
It was a total invasion of privacy, and very weird, but somehow, I didn't mind.
Linda
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Linda, I know exactly what you mean. I've had just as many people rub my head as they did when I was nine months pregnant. When I was pregnant, I felt violated, but with the stubble, I'm just excited to be done and know that my hair is coming back.
Sue, good luck tomorrow. I find out Thursday....keep us posted.
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Group,
I love you. Linda, may I rub your head? Nico...in Bellevue Washington.
Yea for stubble. Congrats.
Glad, too, the class reunion was fun.
Randie, That older generation simply has a difficult time. Glad you didn't pick up the second time. I LOVE you all. Thanks for whacking with me. More later. Dinner now.
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To all,
Don't have time to read through all that I have missed. It was a very busy day today between first day back with faculty and helping daughter and grandson with personal matters. Just want to say you've got to check this out. For Eddie and others needing the shovel it might let you feel like you have used it on someone.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7ce7h22dl6c
Enjoy the day, Karin
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Gracie - So glad you had fun at your reunion! I love your response to your dh, too.
Jen - What a great horoscope! Yeah, it fits just fine.
Randie - Oy, with the uncle!! But I'm sorry to hear about your dad - I'm hoping it's nothing anyone needs to worry about.
Sue - So glad you're memory is coming back! That's good to know, because I used to have a great one, too. Now I'm good if I remember my name and where my office is.
Linda - Great story. And a bit weird, but mostly great.
Karin - Love the video - thanks, I do feel better!
Eddie - I hope you're having a better day and getting ready for your BIG day!
Rock & Otter - Hey! (Just because...)
Noelle - Happy Herceptin Day tomorrow! We need a word now for you "just Herceptin" ladies, like Chemoooo! Think on that while you're being infused...
I'm doing o.k., but had a resurgence of se's today - unhappy feet, hands are tender, mouth is rebelling against anything harder than scrambled eggs. Not terrible, but definitely noticeable. I get one more day and then get to start over! Wheeeeee!
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pics of my tri are up on my FB and my blog. I will try the photo bucket later and get one up here too. The BF actually got one of me puking at the finish, but I will keep that one to myself.
It was only a wee puke, but still.
Karin- that vid is totally awesome, I love the sound of the shovel hitting home!
Gracie, glad you had a good time at the reunion!
RanD- I hope your day is ok.
I am super sniffly this week, allergies I guess. I am in crazy muscle pain after the race, but it is better than chemo pain, so I only moan quietly.
I head into the CC for Herceptin at noon. I hope this first 30 min infusion gives me no side effects and that the whole year of Herceptin leaves my fingernails alone!
I am off to plant a few seeds for fall planting in the garden.
xoN
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Linda - ROFL about your running story and him rubbing your head. What a strange yet interesting encounter. I did notice that while my brother was in town for a week, he continually rubbed my head and would comment on how perfectly round it was.
Roxi - I agree with Rock that the expander is likely giving you the issue under the arm . . . I had the same issue and asked the onc for a referral to see a PT. I do not have Lymphedema, but do have issues with cording that they are working on and it has been going well. What makes me nervous is that I am getting radiation through the expander (chest wall). They indicated that is standard practice in MN.
Sue - I have the same type of lumpy breasts - I found the lump and thought it was just more of the fibrous tissue and also waited. The irony is that (3) doctors told me that the lump was of no concern (had MRI & 2 ultrasound on it) and that I should wait six months and see if it changes. I would have followed those instructions (3 doctors cannot be wrong - right?) if my mammogram (and biopsy) had not reveled that I also had calcification that was cancer. The lump turned out to be invasive cancer, mucinous carcinoma which they only see 7% of the time and had already spread to my lymph nodes. I was soooooo mad at myself as well, then I began to wonder if the two months allowed the calcification cancer to develop to be detected. Had they not found that, I would have waited the recommended six months and the invasive cancer may have spread further. You cannot be mad at yourself, at least you were doing the monthly exams and caught it earlier than later.
Update on Mom. The layer of complications have bubbled up and the doctors told us that she has approximately two weeks. We moved her to a beautiful hospice facility yesterday. If you are inclined to say prayers and would say one for her, her name is Ruby. Thanks.
Jean
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Hi Everyone,
I had my consult with the radiation oncologist this morning and he/they want to do radiation to 4 locations- chest wall, clavicle, axilla and surgery scar - 28 treatments and then 5 additional treatments to the scar area. I am scheduled for the simulation next Wednesday and should start shortly thereafter. So much for my new water aerobics- I will be back on the treadmill once radiation starts for the duration of that. I cant get the tatoos for radiation because I am allergic to cobalt and it is in the tatoo dye usually.
My oncologist had my tumor pathology retested at a better lab apparently- she was unhappy becuase the original pathology listed the ER+ as 1% positive and she thought it would be negative in a retest and she wanted to KNOW before making the tamoxifen decision whether I was truly positive or a negative. Well the pathology came back ER+ but at the lowest level which is 1-25% so she is testing my blood from today for tamoxifen metabolism and also checking hormone levels since I was perimenopausal at the beginning of chemo. I see her again in 3 weeks and will get the final decision on which meds etc we will be using. If my body does not metabolize tamoxifen, she said I might consider having my ovaries removed.
Im OK with all this- I knew they were probably going to recommend radiation due to the intramammary node and becuase I declined the axillary dissection. The tamoxifen for 5 years is a bigger disappointment as my usual "medicines" are Flintstone vitamins and Viactiv calcium chews- but at least it is something to keep this monster away.
Kristy
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Jean - I am so sorry. Your mom is in my thoughts...as is your entire family.
Had my 3 week follow up with my Onc today. Bloodwork looks great. He is having additional testing done to check my hormone levels. He feels that since I am in my mid 40's (I strongly advised him to refer to a woman of 44 to be in her early 40's!) and that I have not had a menstrual cycle since late May (between cycles 2 & 3 of A/C) that chemo may have put me into menopause. If that is the case, my hormone regimen will be different...no Tamoxifan as originally discussed. I'm hoping I'm in menopause! I hadn't realized that along with Tamoxifan that there is a monthly shot to go along with it. Besides, I love the idea of no more menstrual cycle....the worst part of being a girl.
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I just wanted to post to say "Hi" to everybody, so you wouldn't think I'd forgotten about my best chemo buddies. I lurk here a lot, but my dh has rechanneled my time into post-BC activities.
Jean, we are there with our arms around you, each of us saying prayers in our own way for your mom.
Hugs to all...
otter
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Jean~ a prayer has been said for your mom AND your family. I'm so sorry sweetie, you have so much on your plate right now.
Adrienne~ Shot with tamox????? I hadn't heard that one yet. Is it a norm for everyone? I was really hoping to be done with needles of all kinds by then :O(
Otter~ don't feel bad you are able to get back into RL. Just make sure to check on us occasionally :O)
Ok up for tomorrow........
Eddie (last taxol!!!!) ~ Jen (also last taxol!!!!) ~ Noelle (herceptin?) Cris ~(Chemo of some sorts, only a few more to go!) Anyone else up for tomorrow????? I want to go somewhere cold how about some snowboarding???????
p.s. I noticed eyebrows starting to come back in this morning as well! Praise the Lord! And I know not to become too attached to them as they may want to turn into lemmings as well. At least its a start.
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Jean, I was wondering about you this morning. Not sure why I did not ask about your mom, but in my head I did for I knew we had heard little in the last while. You have been given what I call the "luxury of notice" for your mom's death. My mom died almost two years ago and we were given the same luxury. I hope and pray for your moms sake and for the sake of everyone that loves her that you find a happy peaceful way to be together and do or say what is needed to each other. My mom and I hung out a lot in her last few weeks( I was lucky,she was right downstairs. She bought this little house to die in, and my son and I would have a place to live while I was working on making my business successful) we laughed, we planned, we even faught. She planned her own funeral down to the music (which my Dad played) and the menu for the "Roast and Toast" afterwards.
In the last few days I forced the docs to keep her pain free and as lucid as possible. It went as well as could be hoped for.
I wish the same for you and your family.
Ruby, you are in my prayers. When it is time for you to shuffle off this mortal coil I pray that God takes you quietly and peacefully.
N
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Sable - the shot is Zoladex, given monthly...this along with the Tamoxifen tx. I'm not sure if this is a standard tx given by all Onc's or not. Just now starting to research. Today was the first that I had heard of the shot. Its possible he mentioned it indirectly when we discussed tx at the beginning....but it may have been using different terminology. I would've remembered discussion of "shots" being given over a long period of time. I'm a big baby and he said the needle is quite big .... gee thanks.
Come on menopause!
<Edit...I found this on bc.org - "It's important to remember that if you're pre-menopausal and you take tamoxifen, you can keep menstruating. Or, if you're close to menopause, tamoxifen may push you over the edge and stop your periods. Some ovarian function might still persist in this case, but not enough for you to have periods. For complete ovarian shutdown in a pre-menopausal woman, Zoladex is usually needed to make the ovaries stop working. Depending on the situation, your doctor may recommend only tamoxifen without full ovarian shutdown. Or your doctor might recommend both tamoxifen and Zoladex. In post-menopausal women, the ovaries are already shut down, so tamoxifen alone is enough. Or your doctor might prescribe an aromatase inhibitor instead of tamoxifen. "
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A- you can have my menopause. I don't need it.
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Jean-you and your family are in my thoughts and prayers. We are all here for you.
Just got back from my weekly onc visit and labs. Hemoglobin is even lower, so tomorrow I go to the hospital for 2 units of packed red blood cells. Hoping this helps in the energy department. Went to hosp. today to be typed & cross matched.
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Jen, thoughts and prayers are with all of you. Sorry you have to go thru with this on top of everything else, butyou are strong and you have all your sisters here praying and pulling for you!
Okay, so my original question, which chemo doc has not really answered is that if my ovaries go, then no tamox???? The reason I ask is that my dh bff's wife was diagnosed 7 years ago, given 3-6 months and after tx, has been taking tamox for the last 5 years. The bc is in her bones and yesterday she broke 3 ribs. Her husband also mentioned for us to pray for her because she has bad SEs (pain) from the tamox. Okay, who knew there were more Ses other than blood clots???
At this point, I have decided on prophylatic mast on the left side, right side mast, and at the very minimum, my ovaries out. DId I miss anything on my list, lol?
randie
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Grace, I am so sorry....wish I could send some hemoglobin to you...if we all sent a little bit extra, then you wouldn't need any, right?
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I posted a rather long post and it went "poof". I'm too tired to do it again. Gracie, sorry for the low hemo and the transfusion--hope all goes well and you get your energy back.
Will participate more tomorrow.
Jean. Ruby (and your whole family) is in my prayers.
Have a good evening, wonderful ladies.
Love,
Sue
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Jean -- I am so very sorry about your mom. And I'm also very sorry that it is happening now.
And Noelle -- Less than 2 years ago? Oh sweetie. I think I knew that but it is still hard for me to wrap my brain around. My parents have had a half dozen near-death (seriously) experiences between them from the time I was 10 (inc 2 since my dx). But they are still alive, and I cannot imagine it being any other way.
Gracie -- I hope that your transfusion is uneventful, and that you're rewarded with more energy.
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I went to the onco today for a follow up. Very uneventful. She mentioned starting me on Tamoxifen post-rads. (Before, she had hinted that she might put me on it during rads. But I think my hot flashes reassure her that I'm in menopause.)
I am having my ovaries removed post-rads. Then I expect to be on an estrogen suppressor (maybe Femora?) since my body will still be producing estrogen, albeit a lot less.
phone ringing. must trot.
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Yup. In 1999 my stepdad was diagnosed with Mesothelioma ( a rare cancer that is caused by asbestos exposure and had no treatment at the time) and died 14 months later after Mom nursed him at home, draining his lungs daily and injecting him with morphine. My son was a toddler and we moved in during the final months. 17 months later Mom was diagnosed with Cancer "primary unknown" which presented as 6 very very small tumours that took 3 weeks of tests to find. Mom was on low dose chemo for 5 years. Every chemo symptom we have listed she had in some form or other. Her onco's goal was to keep her alive with some quality of life( she worked until 10 weeks b4 her death) for 5 years. We knew she had maybe a few months when a blood clot in her leg moved to her leg and chemo had to be discontinued. She died 5 years and 3 months after diagnosis. As I said earlier she knew she was going to go and sold her house (that we all 3 lived in) that was still tied up in her late husbands estate mess. She found a place with a little apartment in the back for herself and let me and my DS live in the house itself. DS can walk to school and to a park from here. Mom's apartment is one level with two rooms and a (it was her lifetime dream to own one) greenhouse 8 steps out the door. It broke her heart when she could not walk outside even to the greenhouse in the last few weeks.I was her primary care person during her 6 week palliative care. I did all her injections and stuff. I went back to work the day after the funeral and did not take a day off for 5 weeks( damned lady died in late November '06, so the store needed me back badly)
I spent much of '07 battling Mummy's Life Insurance company while living in a house that is just a little beyond my current means.
I found my lump in December '07 just under 13 months after she died and got a small Life Insurance cheque the day I met my surgeon. Needless to say, the Life Insurance is almost gone. I guess I got it at the time I needed it. I have used it to keep the store open, and the house finances in order.
So, I am no stranger to cancer, chemo or death.
I said from day 1 of my diagnosis -if I get the 5 years mom got I will be happy. I plan to get more at this point, but who knows.
I had a totally uneventful Herceptin IV today. Yeah for cancer drugs with no se's!
chemooo to my Sable and my Eddie and my Cris! did I miss anyone???
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Jean,
I will say a prayer for peace for your mom. I will say a prayer for healing for all of you as you grieve. I am thinking of Ruby and will say a prayer for her at temple on Friday night.
Noelle,
I love your spirit. You will get more than five years and five more and five more I know...and that will just be the beginning. You are no stranger to cancer. You are no stranger to wisdom either.
Jenn, Sable, and Cris,
Snowboarding sound too cold for me, but I've been having hand and foot syndrome issues so I'd be happy to lodge it while you to go out there and snowboard away. BTW, I am a skiier anyway, but still, I like the concept of being on a mountain as I grew up in Colorado. As usual, I am slightly worried about tomorrow, but none-the-less excited to be finishing up. I have my pole dance concept (it has changed) down and I hope I have the energy to pull it off after a long day tomorrow. I dread taking steroids tonight but will in a few minutes. I wish you both easy, smooth and uneventful days tomorrow. I will be thinking of both of you as well as the women on the other side plus those swimming along to encourage us as well as the lovely and strong women who will follow.
Gracie,
May your next few days go smoothly as well. I know they will and I will be thinking of you.
Randie,
I am with you. I want to lose my other breast as well as my ovaries, but first, herceptin and a foob to feel a little normal for a while.
Rock,
As always, so happy to have you back.
To all of you who came with shovels, thanks. My dh told me I was mean when I was speaking with my friend. I may have been, but I had told her so many times what I needed/wanted. Tomorrow, we will heal and I hope her intensity doesn't overwhelm me.
Women,
You mean the world to me. I look forward to checking in with you sometime late tomorrow afternoon.
Love,
Eddie
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P.S.
Adrienne,
Is it true that you are joining a Sexy in Seattle group and you chatted with my pal, Dottie, who I refer to all the time in here? Am I the other person you were refering to? I hope so because I, too, want to be in the posse.
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