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  • saluki
    saluki Member Posts: 2,287
    edited August 2008
    Good to see you back Paulette.  Missing you here Smile
  • Paulette531
    Paulette531 Member Posts: 738
    edited August 2008

    Saluki...I am finishing a degree in psychology...I take accelerated courses that run for 5 weeks then get a week break...it was one of those things I "always wanted to do" but put it on the back burner, then when C struck, I rethought my life and decided now was the time to get to my life to do list! So between classes I post a little!

  • saluki
    saluki Member Posts: 2,287
    edited August 2008

    I think that is wonderful.  I am so impressed.  You are really moving beyond.  Glad you are able to grab back onto life! 

  • saluki
    saluki Member Posts: 2,287
    edited August 2008

    I think the Obama and Axlerod made a serious blunder going after the celebrity issue---they should have just let it die.  In two weeks there will be no end of the celebrity factor at the convention with the likes of George Cooney and Streisand----And then will come Obama's Switzerland trip for George Clooney's big fund raiser.-----------

    The words of John Edwards ring in my ear

    "In the course of several campaigns, I started to believe that I was special and became increasingly egocentric and narcissistic."

    http://hotair.com/archives/2008/08/11/number-301-george-clooney/

  • saluki
    saluki Member Posts: 2,287
    edited August 2008

    Axelrod was stupid to think he could win trying to paint McCain as a celebrity---he should have just moved on. 

    Now its tit for tat.................

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XonsU2B16_0&feature=user

  • FEB
    FEB Member Posts: 552
    edited October 2008

    Susie, while reading the Edwards thread, someone mentioned the Mass. health care program and I started thinking that I had heard that they were using federal funds to keep it going and voila, you manage to find the facts! You never cease to amaze me at what you find. What is this celebrity fundraiser for Obama with Clooney?

    This invasion by Russia is really scary. If there was ever a time when we could not affort a rookie in the white house, it is now. Kinda makes Hillaries 3 am ad make alot more sense.

    Paulette. Glad to hear from you again. Way to go on realizing your dreams of finishing your degree. While I was going through treatments, I vowed I would finally sit down and start writing down all the stories in my head. Yet, here I sit, subjecting all of you to my amature writings. I guess I will just have to convince myself that I am honing my skills. LOL

  • saluki
    saluki Member Posts: 2,287
    edited August 2008

    Here it is from LA Observed

     Obama fundraiser in Switzerland
    Kevin Roderick • Bio • Email

    Actor George Clooney is the featured attraction for the Geneva event on Sept. 2. Here's the email sent to potential Barack Obama donors:

    -------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------

    Subject: A Reception with George Clooney in Switzerland for Senator Barack Obama

        Dear Friends,

        We are very excited to announce that Academy Award winning Actor George Clooney will be headlining an event for the campaign. The event will be Tuesday, September 2nd in Geneva, Switzerland and we really need your help to make this special event a success.

        The evening will be broken down into two parts - a reception for $1,000 where Mr. Clooney will speak and take questions followed by an exclusive dinner at the home of NFC member Charles Adams for $10,000 per person. The dinner is limited to 75 people so if you are interested in attending, please fax in the attached invite as soon as possible. Or if know of anyone you think may be interested in attending, please forward this email.

        If you do send this to friends and colleagues abroad, only American Citizens with US Passport numbers can contribute to the campaign.

        Thank you so much!!!

        Cookie Parker
        National Finance Committee, Obama for America
        National Chair, Women’s Leadership Initiative
        Democratic National Platform Committee, DNC

     

  • FEB
    FEB Member Posts: 552
    edited October 2008

    Susie, does this mean that if a Frenchie wants to contribute to the BO campaign and attend the fundraiser, they just have to write a check to their American cousin since they cannot contribute directly? Isn't this what Rezko was doing here in Chicago, giving money to his workers to contribute so that he would not be fingered? He is in jail for this so why are they doing the same thing with this soiree? It sounds really sleezy to me.

    As the dems go on and on about the Reps being in cahoots with big oil, they are in with the mortgage industry. I heard on the radio today that 7 of their top 10 contributers are with the big banks. No wonder they are bailing them all out!

    Is anyone as scared as I am about this Russian invasion? These poor people, who thought the west was on their side are being murdered and no one is doing anything to stop it. Putin knows if he gets hold of the Georgian pipeline, he will have the EU eating out of his hand. Imperial Russia is alive and well.

  • Paulette531
    Paulette531 Member Posts: 738
    edited August 2008

    Saluki...I think I will bypass the $1000.00 shenanigan and go for the $10,000.00 one, it will be more intimate! LOL!

  • ibcspouse
    ibcspouse Member Posts: 613
    edited August 2008

    twenty years as a community organizer in South Chicago bringing peace to gangs and disavantage youths, represented the district in state legislature, their U S Senator.  South Chicago police to ge given automatic weapons, the Gov to do troop surge of State Troopers and National Guard due to violence,  more young men killed by bullets this year in South Chicago than Iraq.   Obama, experience you can believe in.

  • FEB
    FEB Member Posts: 552
    edited October 2008

    IBC spouse. Glad to see you pipe in here. It is great to hear you standing by your wife the way you do. In sickness and in health. Too bad Edwards didn't take his vows seriously.

    You got one thing wrong though. Since I am from the chicago area and my cousin is a Chicago cop, I will tell you that the cops are outgunned. Chicago is a santuary city and the cops are overwhelmed with the gangbangers, many illegals, who are killing our youth every week. You are right, there are more murders here than in Bagdad. Obama and his fellow dems who have ruled here for decades do nothing about it. I have been saying all along that people are crazy if they think this guy will do anything for the country when he did little for the city during his stint in state legislature and has done even less for Illinois as our senator, other than sell his books and play the rock star. I believe that Chicago is the most beautiful city in America, Yeah I am prejudiced.Daley has done a good jjob cleaning it up and is pushing it for the 2016  Olympics. But he is the boss of "machine politics" and it is dirty through and through.

  • ibcspouse
    ibcspouse Member Posts: 613
    edited August 2008

    LindaMemm

    Thank you for you kind words.  Its easy standing by Cam, she found me when I was broken after Vietnam and failed relationships.  She fixed me, I am the lucky one to have her.    

    I do like all the comments on the other threads about its Edwards private life, and has no place in the news.  Wasn't there a Republican Candidate against BO for the Senate seat that had his Divorce records unsealed by a liberal California Judge.  Eventhough this was against CA law, when neither party agree, and minor children are involved.  He made the ruling and handed out the records at same time  so an appeal court  could not unring the bell.  This was a privacy violation by law, but the Chicago newspaper are the ones that got it done.  No big complaints then.  

  • Rosemary44
    Rosemary44 Member Posts: 2,660
    edited August 2008

    I think the tough words from the world's leaders have helped quell the Russia/Georgia war because  Russia has ended their attack, of course after calling it victorious for Russia.  Whew, what could we really do to help them? 

    The first thing I thought about when this started was Obama's words of how he wants to dismantle our nukes or not have them at the ready.  Whatever he said. 

  • FEB
    FEB Member Posts: 552
    edited October 2008

    IBC Thanks for you service in Nam. I had three uncles there. They were more like big brothers to me, within 10 years of me. Only one is still alive and just had major surgery last week. Thankfully he is okay, and now my cousin and I will be able to nag him enough to quick smoking and eat better.My other two uncles came home so messed up. They both died before they were 30. I have written a poem for them that I left at the wall. When I find it, I will post it for you. It is dediicated to the guys who came home and were forgotten. My uncles were really messed up by that war. You guys were all heroes and noone recognized it at the time. Vietnam is a peaceful country today because of guys like you. I am so proud of my uncles and thankful to all of you for answering the call for freedom.

    I hope your wife will be able to join the forums too. She will find a lot of support here.

  • Rosemary44
    Rosemary44 Member Posts: 2,660
    edited August 2008

    Yes, welcome IBC.  It's really good to see you posting here.  To this day, I still can't talk much about the Viet Nam war.  I can only imagine your thoughts who was actually there.  Thank you for your service for them, and for us.  

  • ibcspouse
    ibcspouse Member Posts: 613
    edited August 2008

    Thank you guys again.  What I have found out over the past several months, being over there was easy compared to BC. I always had a date certain to make it to and then I would go home.  I am looking forward to your poem.  The visit to the wall was Cam and my most memorable time.  Cam has started reading your post but not ready to type in. 

    We are at the hotel in houston after the 500 mile drive, PET scan at MD Anderson at 7 am  fingers toes and elbows crossed.   

  • Rosemary44
    Rosemary44 Member Posts: 2,660
    edited August 2008

    I'll keep everything crossed for your wife also.

    I was just reading Obama's new tax plan for Seniors.  AARP isn't excited about it and neither am I.  The last 3 paragraphs are the real meat of the story.

    http://apnews.myway.com/article/20080812/D92GL2280.html

  • Anonymous
    Anonymous Member Posts: 1,376
    edited August 2008

    Ibcspouse, I'v "spoken" to you on the Edward's thread.  Glad you've come over to join us. 

    Aww, so you and your wife have to travel 500 miles!?  I'm originally from San Antonio, but I left there when I was around 20.  I'm in N.C. now.  My husband and I traveled only a couple of hours away to Duke.  Well, if I had driven it would have been 2 1/2 hours. LOL 

    Tell you dw that we'll be praying for her and keeping everything crossed.  I think it's awesome that you are reading up on BC for your wife.  Not too many men take the time.

    Shirley

  • saluki
    saluki Member Posts: 2,287
    edited August 2008

    Let McCain be McCain----There are two McCains--The one who is so ill at ease with a teleprompter---

    Then, there is a very different one we get to see at Press questions and answer sessions like the one today---Why can't we see more of this McCain?

  • saluki
    saluki Member Posts: 2,287
    edited August 2008

    Bill Kristol is reporting that Obama insiders say that they have Colin Powell's endorsement and he may speak at their convention.............

    ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------

    Kristol: Colin Powell to Endorse Barack Obama
    by FOXNews.com
    Wednesday, August 13, 2008

    Sources say former Secretary of State Colin Powell will endorse Barack Obama at the Democratic National Convention, Weekly Standard Editor Bill Kristol told FOX News exclusively on Thursday.

    “He may well give a speech at the Democratic convention explaining his endorsement of Obama,” Kristol said, citing inside sources.

    “This is not an absolute done deal, but these people are very confident that Powell will endorse Obama,” Kristol said, adding that he thinks Powell still has “a high respect” for John McCain, Obama’s Republican rival.

    Powell spokeswoman Peggy Cifrino strongly denied the report.

    “There’s absolutely no truth to it whatsoever,” Cifrino told FOXNews.com. “Colin Powell will not be at either convention. There’s absolutely no truth to this.”

    An endorsement by Powell could go a long way to attracting moderates and wayward Republicans to the presumptive Democratic presidential candidate.

    Over the years, Powell himself has been touted as a potential presidential or vice presidential candidate. The former national security adviser served as chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff during the 1991 Persian Gulf War. He was secretary of state for the younger President Bush.

    His tenure is most notable for presenting to the U.N. Security Council evidence that Iraq was pursuing weapons of mass destruction. His presentation led to a resolution endorsing military action against that country, but he later described it as a “blot” on his record.

    Powell has unofficially advised Obama and Republican candidate John McCain but had not endorsed anyone. A spokesman said in July that he was undecided.

    In April, Powell praised Obama’s response to controversial remarks by his former pastor, the Rev. Jeremiah Wright, who had said the United States brought the Sept. 11 terrorist attacks on itself by supporting terrorism and that the government created the AIDS virus to “destroy people of color.”

    “I thought that Senator Obama handled the issue well,” said Powell, the nation’s first black secretary of state. “He didn’t abandon the minister that brought him closer to his faith, but at the same time he deplored the kinds of statements that the Reverend Wright had made.”

    Obama later turned his back on Wright after the minister courted controversy again with additional comments in public.

    Kristol said sources told him Powell will “quite possibly” speak at the Democratic convention on the same night as Obama’s vice-presidential selection and former President Bill Clinton.

    “The Obama people are quietly trying to line up a pretty strong convention,” Kristol said. “I think the Obama campaign shouldn’t be underestimated. Obviously anyone would like to have Powell’s endorsement.”

  • FEB
    FEB Member Posts: 552
    edited October 2008
    Pelosi and the Big Wind Boone-doggle 08/13/2008
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     Excuse my lousy job here at cut and paste. How do I do this stuff??LOL Just thought that this article by Michelle Malkin was interesting.

    House Speaker Nancy Pelosi recently called congressional Republicans who want up-or-down drilling votes "hand maidens of the oil companies." Let's call Pelosi what she is: House girl of the Big Wind boondogglers.

    Though she seemingly backtracked on labeling drilling a "hoax" this week, Pelosi refuses to consider GOP energy proposals that don't include massive government subsidies for so-called eco-alternatives that have never panned out.

    Which brings us to Madame Speaker's 2007 financial disclosure form. Schedule III lists "Assets and 'Unearned Income'" of between $100,001-$250,000 from Clean Energy Fuels Corp. -- Public Common Stock. Clean Energy Fuels Corp. (CLNE) is a natural gas provider founded by T. Boone Pickens. Yep, that T. Boone Pickens -- former oilman turned wind-power evangelist whose ads touting a national wind campaign are now as ubiquitous as Viagra promos.

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    Pickens and Pelosi share the same talking points downplaying the need to drill and open up more access to American oil. Instead, the Pickens pie-in-the-sky plan proposes to replace natural gas with wind power in power generation and theoretically free up natural gas for America's transportation needs.

    All well and good in la-la land, but let's be real about the limitations and costs of wind power. Past and ongoing experience demonstrates the unreliability of wind and the miserably low operating capacity of wind power facilities here and around the world. Depending on wind requires supplemental fossil fuel plants as backup to be turned on and off to compensate for wind power supply shortfalls -- nullifying any reductions in carbon dioxide emissions, which are miniscule, according to the National Academy of Sciences.

    Not to mention the thousands of sliced-up birds and other wildlife that have become wind power casualties -- a problem scientists say would be solved by "repowering" old turbines at a cost of untold billions.

    Fittingly, the environmental mascot of the Democratic National Convention -- the showcase of their alternative energy approach -- is an eastern Colorado wind turbine propped up with Democratic carbon-credit funds that has never produced any substantial energy because of its chronic equipment malfunctions.

    But I digress.

    Naturally, the Pickens Big Wind plan is proudly endorsed by Do-Nothing Pelosi's friends at the obstructionist Sierra Club. Through another company, Mesa Power, Pickens has committed upward of $12 billion in wind farms on the Texas panhandle. CLNE and Mesa Power are separate entities, but what benefits one piece of the Pickens puzzle benefits them all. The wind venture, as Pickens himself acknowledges, depends on permanent federal subsidies.

    Pickens is banking on 'em. And Pelosi is banking on him.   

    As reported on dontgomovement.com, Speaker Pelosi bought between $50,000 and $100,000 worth of stock in Pickens' CLNE Corp. in May 2007 on the day of the initial public offering:

    "She, and other investors, stand to gain a substantial return on their investment if gasoline prices stay high, and municipal, state and even the Federal governments start using natural gas as their primary fuel source. If gasoline prices fall? Alternative fuels and the cost to convert fleets over to them become less and less attractive."

    CLNE also happens to be the sponsor of Proposition 10, a ballot initiative in Pelosi's home state of California to dole out a combined $10 billion in state and federal funds for renewable energy incentives -- namely, natural gas and wind.

    Follow the money. Or, to put it in economist's terms as energy analyst Kenneth Medlock III did in an interview with The Dallas Morning News about the Pickens multibillion dollar wind farm investment: "A lot of what he's trying to do is add value to a stranded asset ... he's obviously got millions of dollars on the line."    

    And so, potentially, does the Democratic Speaker of the House -- all the while wagging her finger at the financial motivation of others.

  • Anonymous
    Anonymous Member Posts: 1,376
    edited August 2008

    That woman is dangerous!

    http://www.politico.com/blogs/thecrypt/0808/Democrats_considering_energy_options.html  

    August 12, 2008
    Categories: energy

    Democrats considering energy options

    As Republicans continue their protest on the House floor, Democratic leaders are mulling their options to resolve a contentious energy debate before the upcoming elections.

    But coordination remains difficult because members have scattered from Washington for their extended summer break.

    Party leaders in the House are expected to convene a conference call on Wednesday to discuss their options in the ongoing energy debate, including a potential compromise measure that could include some expanded permitting for oil and gas exploration, a leadership aide said Tuesday.

    But the details remain very hazy, Democratic insiders suggest, because leaders have not settled on an exact course of action and may wait until lawmakers return to Washington next month before finalizing a legislative package.

    House Speaker Nancy Pelosi (D-Calif.), in an interview with CNN's Larry King on Monday, suggested she would be open to a broader compromise that includes expanded offshore oil and gas drilling if it is packaged with measures to boost alternative fuel use, such as a renewable electricity standard or new federal incentives for wind power, solar power or biofuels.

    It remains to be seen whether her remarks represent a breakthrough in the congressional deadlock over expanded domestic oil and gas exploration.

    Before lawmakers left town, the speaker suggested she could consider an offshore drilling measure if it was packaged with legislation requiring President Bush to release some oil from the Strategic Petroleum Reserve. Pelosi and other leading Democrats have suggested such a move would bring prices down in the short term by undercutting speculation markets in oil and gas, which many Democrats blame for high fuel prices.

    The conference call comes as Republicans carry their floor protest into its second week. GOP lawmakers are protesting the Democrats' decision to adjourn for the five-week August recess without a vote to expand domestic drilling. Before hitting the floor again Tuesday, a group of rank-and-file Republicans expressed skepticism about Pelosi's comments to Larry King.

    Nebraksa Rep. Lee Terry sensed a "lack of sincerity" in Pelosi's remarks Monday night. "I don't know if I can trust that we're going to have [a vote to expand domestic drilling], but I'll take her at her word," Terry said. Minority Leader John A. Boehner (R-Ohio) and Minority Whip Roy Blunt (R-Mo.) offered similar sentiments in statements issued by their offices.

    Even if Pelosi does offer them legislation that includes domestic drilling, some Republicans were concerned she would still limit their input in the debate.

    Georgia Rep. Lynn Westmoreland compared some of the measures Democrats have offered so far - like opening the Strategic Petroleum Reserve or measures to curb market speculation - to "snake oil" meant "to give her members cover" because they did not specifically expand domestic drilling.

    "[The Republicans] have this thing that says 'drill offshore in the protected areas,'" Pelosi told Larry King. "Well, we can do that. We can have a vote on that. But it has to be part of something that says we want to bring immediate relief to the public and not just a hoax on them."

    Asked whether that would include drilling, the speaker said, "It depends how the drilling is put forth."

    "If you make a decision only to go with the offshore drilling," Pelosi said, "you are increasing our dependence on fossil fuels and you will never free yourself of that addiction unless you invest in the renewable energy resources that are good for the environment, cheaper for the consumer and will reverse global warming."

    Pelosi has also railed repeatedly against Senate Republicans for holding up a series of tax incentives to boost alternative fuel use.

    Republicans are pushing a comprehensive energy package that includes some incentives for alternative energy. On Tuesday, they suggested they would like to see Pelosi allow a vote on that package. And they were adamant that the speaker bring that legislation to the floor under the regular rules for consideration of a bill, which gives members of the minority the ability to offer amendments and alternatives.

    "What we want is the chance to have the debate and have the vote," said Rep. John Kline (R-Minn.).

  • Anonymous
    Anonymous Member Posts: 1,376
    edited August 2008

    And then, here's another take on drilling.  The GOP is not happy with the above.

    http://www.gopusa.com/theloft/?p=757  

    Senators Killing Energy Issue for Republicans and America

     Posted by Bobby Eberle
    August 12, 2008 at 6:26 am

    Last week, I wrote on efforts by House GOP members to draw attention to the fact that Nancy Pelosi sent House members home for the summer without a vote on domestic oil drilling. The American people want it, and the GOP House members are fighting for it. I also wrote on how big the energy issue is. It could be THE issue of the upcoming elections... an issue upon which Republicans could run AND win.

    However, this is a new week, and whenever too much time passes, there is bound to be a new effort by the GOP to stall momentum and stab conservatives right in the heart. Who needs Democrats when so many GOP "leaders" act just like them? Now, we have the "Gang of 10." This group of senators (5 Republicans and 5 Democrats) claims to have forged a "bi-partisan energy compromise." In reality, we have a group of five GOP senators who are set on taking the winning issues of drilling and energy off the table and selling out to the liberals.

    A report in Investor's Business Daily (IBD) sums up the situation perfectly: "If you thought Republicans were no longer 'The Stupid Party,' then you haven't met the senators who may have just destroyed the GOP's biggest hope this election year: the drilling issue."

    IBD summarizes the issue as follows:

    Sens. Saxby Chambliss and Johnny Isakson of Georgia, Bob Corker of Tennessee, Lindsey Graham of South Carolina and John Thune of South Dakota - remember their names if things go badly for the GOP this November.

    With the issue of domestic drilling to provide relief for suffering consumers landing right in the laps of embattled congressional Republicans, those five - none of whom faces any immediate danger of losing his seat - decided to join with some crafty Democrats and smash to pieces that gift from the heavens.

    The "compromise" they are promoting is actually a wholesale giveaway to Democrats. Touted as a drilling plan, it actually imposes about $84 billion in new taxes on oil companies and keeps the offshore and Arctic National Wildlife Refuge drilling bans.

    The drilling issue is a winning issue for Republicans. In order to reduce prices, we need more supply. To get more supply, we need more drilling. The American people are calling for more drilling, and with Democrats in opposition, this issue could help tremendously in November. Increasing domestic oil production is the conservative approach. We don't need more taxes or government controls. We don't need to leave our security in the hands of Middle Eastern governments. We need more oil supply at home as America continues its trend of conservation and seeking out more fuel efficient vehicles.

    However, as IBD notes, "These Republicans are placing Sen. John McCain in a tough position."

    If he supports the plan, he'll invite the ire of GOP anti-tax crusaders - already uncertain about him for past opposition to the Bush tax cuts. If he opposes it, his claim of being a uniter will be questioned. The five have also done Obama a favor. His support would neutralize drilling as an issue to be used against him and make him look bipartisan.

    These GOP stooges could end up being the Five Fingers of Death for their party come November.

    The Wall Street Journal described the issue in this way: "Politics has its puzzling moments. John McCain and most of the GOP experienced one late last week. That was when five of their own set about dismantling the best issue Republicans have in the upcoming election."

    The WSJ explains that by "riding voter discontent over high gas prices, the GOP has made antidrilling Democrats this summer's headlines." But, along comes the Gang of 10, complete with five GOP senators who are quite eager to stick it to conservatives and cave in to the Democrats.

    The plan is a Democratic giveaway. New production on offshore federal lands is left to state legislatures, and then in only four coastal states. The regulatory hurdles are huge. And the bill bars drilling within 50 miles of the coast -- putting off limits some of the most productive areas. Alaska's oil-rich Arctic National Wildlife Refuge is still a no-go.

    The highlight is instead $84 billion in tax credits, subsidies and federal handouts for alternative fuels and renewables. The Gang of 10 intends to pay for all this in part by raising taxes on . . . oil companies! The Sierra Club couldn't have penned it better. And so the Republican Five has potentially given antidrilling Democrats the political cover they need to neutralize energy through November.

    Lost in all this is the fact that these GOP senators have basically driven a steam-roller over the efforts of GOP House members. These House members were gaining traction with their "protest" and drawing more attention to the drilling issue. Now, GOP senators want to sign on to more taxes and continued drilling bans? This is crazy.

    So far, Sen. John McCain has not signed on to the "Gang of 10" energy plan. He should NOT do it. If he does, he helps kill the issue and will be showing his support for more government controls and higher taxes on business. That is not conservative, and that is not how to win on this issue. We need more domestic drilling, and we need Republicans who will act like Republicans. Is that really too much to ask?

  • Anonymous
    Anonymous Member Posts: 1,376
    edited August 2008

    Even if the oil prices come down we still need to drill here.  We cannot trust the other countries to provide us with oil.  I still say that when President Bush lifted the ban on drilling the very next day the oil prices dropped and has been dropping ever since.  I do believe it's gone back up since the war between Russia and Georgia has started. 

  • Anonymous
    Anonymous Member Posts: 1,376
    edited August 2008

    This is a good'un.  I watched his mouth move.  I couldn't tell if this was dubbed.  It didn't appear to be.  I know I remember hearing some of this coming from his own mouth.  Scary!

    http://macsmind.com/wordpress/2008/06/08/obama-wants-to-protect-america/

  • saluki
    saluki Member Posts: 2,287
    edited August 2008

    "A report in Investor's Business Daily (IBD) sums up the situation perfectly: "If you thought Republicans were no longer 'The Stupid Party,' then you haven't met the senators who may have just destroyed the GOP's biggest hope this election year: the drilling issue."

    Shirley---I guess this ends Lindsey Grahams audition as McCains Mini-me...........LoL

  • ibcspouse
    ibcspouse Member Posts: 613
    edited August 2008

    The thing I like most about this thread is the name and tone.  Facts instead of retoric prevail.  Its not talking points.   I guess I am reflective because of what happened today in my state.  A nut shot and killed the Chairman of the Democratic Party.  I have not seen any hate here, I have on some of the other threads against our President or anybody that disagrees.  I ranted too much on the Edwards Thread and my puncuation would have made William Faulkner proud, as for spelling, if you spell a word the same way twice, you are just not creative. 

    As for drilling, can't people see that Russia actions are the direct results of having oil and gas and can use it as a threat to Europe, Iran nuclear threat is because of oil and the ability to disrupt it.  Chavez, because of Oil.  Its not the price of gas that should decide if we develope our resources, it is for world peace.  If we can be independent of imported oil, we are in a position of strenght to negotiate with all these nutty dictators.  ShirlyH, I enjoy reading all your post, as well as so many of all you ladies.  Dang, who thought girls could be smart.

  • Rosemary44
    Rosemary44 Member Posts: 2,660
    edited August 2008

    The gang of 10 bill is the hoax drilling bill that is being offered.  Why the republicans got into it is beyond me.  Anyway, the other republicans are set to vote against it, of course, and the Dems can then say, see they don't really want drilling because they're into big oil's pocket. 

    There is the All of the Above bill that has a little bit of everything in it, and I'd like to read that one.  It might have ANWR in it.  If congress really has us in their hearts, they will find a compromise and stop trying to make election day points.  This is too important.  If Russia gets their hands on Georgian oil, (BP has cut off the flow when the war broke out), then who knows what will happen to oil prices.  I hear they're up a bit again. 

  • FEB
    FEB Member Posts: 552
    edited October 2008

    IBC, thanks for the compliments, but I bet people on the other side would disagree with you.LOL They think we are a bunch of nuts. At least when they post here, we do not try to run them out of dodge, unless they start personal attacks. I said from the beginning that I did not start this thread so that we can all debate. It is a place where we can come and learn from each other.

    Susie and now Shirley do a great job of finding links that we can all learn from.

    Shirley, that last link was really scary. I had never seen BO say so point blank how he plans to weaken the US. He says his priority is to defend America. What a joke! If we have no nukes, and our military is getting scraps, how is going to defend us? The reason Putin is pulling his stunts right now is because he knows that the US is in the postion to do nothing right now and he is taking advantage of it. You are right, IBC, if he can get control of the resources that serve the EU, they will not have a choice but to dance to his tune. He wants the Russian Empire back, and no one is stopping it. With President Obama, we will be in deep deep doo doo.

  • Rosemary44
    Rosemary44 Member Posts: 2,660
    edited August 2008

    IBC,

    It's getting to a place that we'll need to frisk everyone who wants into a political office of any kind.  I was thinking of volunteering at my House Reps' store front after the summer, but after this, I'd be afraid to go into one, let alone hang out.   I'll make phone calls from home.

    I heard on TV that Obama has already had almost 7000 ads running on TV in Florida to McCain's none.  My brother lives there, and even though he's being bombarded with Obama, he still thinks McCain can pull it off.  I hope he knows something.

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