Done with chemo, rads - now about those 10 pounds...

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  • BMac
    BMac Member Posts: 650
    edited August 2008

    CHJ, isn't getting cancer a second time a real kick in the teeth!  You're right, you just have to do it.  I can't even imagine moving during all of this.  When I was going for chemo with ovarian we were having our basement finished.  I remember going to Home Depot at 10:00 at night after chemo and with a cold to pick out carpet!  What was I thinking?

    Anyway, I guess I too missed the point zero weigh in, but I'll weigh myself today and report + or - this Friday.  By the way CHJ if you give up your soda you will lose weight.  It's so easy, yet so hard to give up.  I drink water and diet green tea.

  • chj127
    chj127 Member Posts: 382
    edited August 2008

    BMac - You totally get what I'm talking about!  There were a couple of times I was lying around the house under the worst se's of chemo when the phone would ring, and it would be a realtor calling to show the house in an hour.  And I would muster up all the energy that I had to run around like a crazy woman vacuuming and putting away the clutter.  That was the worst.  But in this real estate market, we couldn't afford to refuse a showing.  You do what you have to do...

    Oh, and I got totally depressed reading this other thread about Arimidex and weight: http://community.breastcancer.org/forum/58/topic/708235?page=1

    Now what???  I've got at least 4 years & 9 months to go on Arimidex.  I guess I'll press on anyway!  I had a good weekend as far as exercise, but not as far as eating.  Blaaaaaaaaah!

    Hope you are all having a healthy week!

    CHJ

  • ellenoire
    ellenoire Member Posts: 674
    edited August 2008

    The word on diet soda, and anything else with artificial sweeteners is that the sweeteners can make you crave more sweet stuff.

    Personally, for a lot of health reasons I don't eat or drink anything lablelled "diet" if I have no clue what the ingredients mean, I don't eat it. I just eat regular food, and make sure the sweet/ high fat stuff is in moderation. My mom already died of cancer, and I am not taking any more chances on man made chemicals in my diet or in my personal care products. 

      Here is a site that has all the Kraft site does, and a lot more. 

     http://www.realage.com 

    Cheers, Noelle  

  • LorenaB
    LorenaB Member Posts: 937
    edited August 2008

    Hey there, can I join this group?  I put on about 10 lbs between my diagnosis in December and starting chemo in March (chocolate was my drug of choice for a while there!), and then another 5 during chemo (and I was about 5 lbs over my preferred weight to start).  I finished chemo in early May and started doing Weight Watchers on my own, but it was several weeks before I lost that bloated feeling and started seeing any results at all.    Then I had surgery in late June -- unilateral mast + reduction on the other side.  At this point I am down about 9 lbs from my top weight after chemo, but probably half of that was breast tissue.  Eventually I'd like to lose 12-15 lbs, but I'm ok with doing it slowly.  I feel good now but I just started radiation last week so I imagine my energy level might go down over the next month and a half.  I don't feel ready to do aerobics yet, and I haven't gotten a real prosthesis so I'm not doing any bouncy exercise or swimming, but I've been walking almost every day and would like to start with abs and leg exercises at home.  Time for exercise is a problem because I'm a single mom with a seven-year old and a full-time job (or as full-time as I can manage around my rads schedule and picking my son up from camp).

    Like someone else said, if I can fit comfortably into my size 10 clothes I'll be happy -- right now I'm a 12.  I am planning on having DIEP reconstruction next spring and I need get my body strong and healthy before then.  After chemo I felt like I had aged 10 years in 10 weeks (I am 41) and while I've never been an athlete, I've never been a couch potato either and I don't like feeling like a slug!

    Today I'm wearing a pedometer that came in a box of Rice Krispies -- I figure keeping track of my steps is a good way to start. I started counting WW points again on Saturday and I'm feeling pretty good today.  I generally have a pretty healthy diet, for me it's a matter of portion control and getting organized.  Oh, and ice cream is my biggest weakness, so I'm just going to have to splurge every once in a while... this experience has taught me that life is too precarious to deny ourselves the things that truly give us pleasure!

    Good luck to everyone!

    Lauren

  • magsandmattsmom
    magsandmattsmom Member Posts: 424
    edited August 2008

    Welcome Lauren!  The pedometer was great for me when I started to focus on losing weight a few years ago.  It was great because it opened my eyes to how little I was moving!  It was really sad to see the numbers at the end of the day.  But it got me to get up and move more during the day, so I love the motivation it gave me.

  • chj127
    chj127 Member Posts: 382
    edited August 2008

    Sure, welcome Lauren!  I love your statement that "chocolate was my drug of choice ".  HAHA!! I know exactly what you mean.

    I don't know how you (or any of the moms) manage treatments with little ones.  My hat is off to all the moms!

    I'll add you to the list at the top of the thread.

    CHJ

  • enjoylife
    enjoylife Member Posts: 578
    edited August 2008

    Does anyone know of anything we can eat or drink that is a good way to get the chemo out and get on with the raidiation I am on a tight budget so I was going to go to healthy foods only and cut back on all eating and drinik water no sugar products got any suggestions I am preparing for my body to come back... Hopefully by my birthday in November I can see some hair and some wieght off but 2 more chemo to go and I will try all through radiation ....

    Maura

  • irishdreama
    irishdreama Member Posts: 938
    edited August 2008
    Hi Guys-I missed the first "weigh in"-just as well, because I had a family reunion this weekend and gained 2 F@#$%*g pounds. But I'll be at Curves tonight, and then I'll use the weighted hoola hoop. How are you guys doing? Jeri
  • irishdreama
    irishdreama Member Posts: 938
    edited August 2008

    Hey Maura-I drank lots of water and ate a lot of salads, that helped a bit with the constipation during chemo as well.

  • ellenoire
    ellenoire Member Posts: 674
    edited August 2008

    Maura, start with lots of green tea and water. That should help flush you out over the next few weeks and be within your budget.

  • Wintermoon623
    Wintermoon623 Member Posts: 119
    edited August 2008

    Maura, constipation really snuck up on me during chemo.  I had been warned but didn't think it would happen as I've never had a problem there.  It was pretty bad though.  I agree with the green tea and water suggestions.  I was a big water drinker before chemo and thought I'd have no trouble continuing my massive water consumption during chemo.  I was wrong, it was very hard for me to drink (or eat) a lot of anything.  I kept trying different things...sparkling water, flavored water, etc.  I had to switch up all the time as things that tasted OK one week, tasted awful the next. My favorite green chi tea tasted like sludge during chemo and I couldn't stand it.  If you can ...keep up on the drinking.  I did feel better the more fluids I got in.  I can now happily report that I'm back to massive water consumption and green tea tastes great again..

  • lilith
    lilith Member Posts: 543
    edited August 2008

    If you are still open to new-comers - I would like to be in.

    I am done with chemo since dec, hair is back on, recon is done. During chemo I actually LOST a lot of weight, but as always with these situations - since then I've been hungry, hungry, hungry, and indulging. My foods of choice are cheese, chocolate, wine... and I am a terribly lazy person, I hate cooking for myself alone!!! so I end up scavenging the bottom drawer for that last cookie or chocolate, then polishing the next pack. :(

    So, here I am at 150 pounds, when my good weight is 132. I can deal with 140 - but not 150!!!

  • BMac
    BMac Member Posts: 650
    edited August 2008

    Dear Winter, I know what you mean about constipation...not this time but 5 1/2 years ago when I had ovarian cancer.  It was so bad I couldn't even sip water and I wanted to die.  I remember telling my husband that if it was going to be like that every time I couldn't go through with the chemo.  But I learned how to manage it.

    Lilith, you sound like me.  When my husband's home he cooks.  If he's not here it's a crapshoot.  Ususally it's just my daughter and I and if there are leftovers we have that.  The other night I had chips for dinner and yesterday the kids and I had takeout.  My husband is away two evenings out of every five.  I have a neighbour that brings food if he's away but only if it's not a day that she's working.  I feel guilty letting her do this but it sure does help.

    Lauren, you have the right idea with the walking.  It's one of the best exercises out there and so simple to do...just put on a comfortable pair of shoes and away you go.  I had started back walking two Fridays ago, going out every evening after dinner, then I missed this Sat, Sun and Mon.  We were busy, either out or family over and I missed my walk.  Last night I was way too tired.  I have to get back on track starting today.

    Also, Lauren, your point about the weight of the breasts occurred to me too.  I keep track of my weight and I don't remember my clothes being this tight at this weight but then I realized that my breasts (both were removed) must have weighed something even though they weren't that big.

  • chj127
    chj127 Member Posts: 382
    edited August 2008

    lilith, no, not too late so I will add you.  I think cheese, chocolate, and wine are the main 3 food groups, right?  Maybe add cheese puffies (oh, that's still "cheese") and fruit.  And Utz Crab Chips.  I've been known to blow through a whole bag of those in an evening.  I always eat more when I'm by myself than when I'm with other people. 

    I wonder how much my port weighs.  It's coming out tomorrow.  I'm nervous about that one.  I'm going to bury the whole area in Emlacream before I go.

    Constipation and chemo?  With me both times it was really, really bad.  I learned this time after 2 treatments how to use Senokot (twice a day for 3 days) to make it better, and then it wasn't so bad.  People always talk about the nausea, but the constipation was 100 times worse for me.

    So far, I still can't get a handle on my eating. Too many bad habits.  Maybe today will be the turning point!  Usually I have to have 3-4 good days in a row and then I get rolling.  It's just hard to get started!

    Hope you all are doing well today! 

    CHJ

  • BMac
    BMac Member Posts: 650
    edited August 2008

    CHJ, yeah I used dulcolax to prevent constipation.  As soon as the needle came out of my arm I started popping them.  During my ovarian the only time I threw up was from the constipation (which, by the way, was caused by the anti-nausea drug...talk about ironic).

    The only way I can avoid eating chips, butter tarts, danish, etc. is to NOT HAVE THEM IN THE HOUSE!  My husband is terrible.  I'll ask him not to buy junk but then he does and then I have no willpower.  If I know it's in the house I'll eat it.  It calls my name.  I call him the saboteur.  The only way to prevent eating junk is to not buy it (for me).  I'm far too lazy to go out to buy it if I get a craving in the evening.

  • Wintermoon623
    Wintermoon623 Member Posts: 119
    edited August 2008
    BMac, I have teenagers in my house and for them a day without chips is a day without sunshine, if you know what I mean.  So it's hard for me to stay away from the chippage too.  I love salty foods so chips (especially tortilla chips) call my name as well.  Also, it is not a good idea to go the Carnegie Deli in NYC (as I did this past weekend) and order their strawberry cheesecake (which i did).  I was sharing it with my daughter and her friend but the piece was the size of a small planet and I should have just said no. Embarassed (But I didn't)
  • BMac
    BMac Member Posts: 650
    edited August 2008

    Winter, you made me laugh!  Luckily for me I don't like the same chips as my kids so at least there's no problem there.

  • irishdreama
    irishdreama Member Posts: 938
    edited August 2008

    I have a 10 year old at my house, but thankfully, sweets are not my problem. I get those huge jars of pickles and they're gone in a day or two-salt is my problem! I had prescription Enulose (which is GROSS) for the constipation, and still had it bad-bleeding, the whole 9 yards. Isn't chemo grand?

  • Wintermoon623
    Wintermoon623 Member Posts: 119
    edited August 2008

    irishdreama: I gave new meaning to "ripped a new one".  I had the bleeding too.  My onc said that happens a lot but it was very alarming for me.  Chemo really does a job on the entire digestive system from mouth to you know where!

  • chj127
    chj127 Member Posts: 382
    edited August 2008

    One of the ironic things for me was that right before my second chemo I got a stomach virus (along with several coworkers) and I was throwing up all night.  At one point I was sitting on the toilet with horrible diarrhea holding a bucket that I was throwing up into at the same time.  Much worse than anything chemo-related!  I was popping Immodium for a few days to get it under control.  Chemo had to be postponed for several days (I hated anything that delayed treatment), and then I was back on the Senokot.  I had to get Tucks for my sore butt.  There is just no dignity with bc!

    One of my biggest problems with eating is that we LOVE to eat out and will find any reason to celebrate anything by going out to our favorite place.  They make these fries with cheese and crabmeat that are to DIE for!!  Laughing

    CHJ

    P.S. This reminded me - anyone see the movie "The Devil Wears Prada"?  There is a woman there who is trying to lose weight, and says, "I'm just one stomach virus away from my goal weight."  Not the way to lose, but it's one of those silver lining things...

  • LorenaB
    LorenaB Member Posts: 937
    edited August 2008

    Tortilla chips are my weakness, too, so I try not to buy the full-fat ones, just the baked.  Even so, I could eat half a bag if I'm hungry.  I sometimes make up little bags for myself with one small portion of salty food (chips, pretzels, etc.) and take that to work for a snack -- it's the only way I can control my portions.

    Constipation has been an issue for me for a while (I have IBS and it's my major symptom) and during chemo it was horrible.  I have finally gotten on top of it (for this week, anyway) and I think it may have to do with the probiotic supplement I've been taking.  Also, I always thought that a stool softener (generic colace) didn't do a thing for me, but the visiting nurse who saw me post-surgery told me that I should take 2 pills (100mg) at night AND two in the morning.  I started doing that regularly and it seemed to help.  I am almost 3 months out from chemo and my body is finally starting to feel normal! 

    WW is good because it forces me to write down what I eat and pay attention to portions.  I still go over my points allotment sometimes but it's way better than when I don't write it down.

  • ellenoire
    ellenoire Member Posts: 674
    edited August 2008

    Here are my tricks to stay away from junk food: 

     I buy lots of fresh fruit, and make a big fruit salad and squeeze an orange over it and 1 tbsp of brown sugar. It sits in the fridge all the time. Whenever I crave sweets I eat a bowl of the fruit salad and have a big glass of water. Usually that calms the cravings. I also eat 2 squares of dark chocolate everyday. 

    For salty cravings I have low fat cheese or slices of marinated and poached chicken breast  dipped in hummus.

     Don't even get me started on constipation... it made my life a living hell  for 8 weeks. I was on cortisone suppositories for the pain and bleeding. I danced in street when Taxol started.  

     Noelle

  • BMac
    BMac Member Posts: 650
    edited August 2008

    Oh, just an aside.  My father-in-law and sister-in-law were over on Sunday for dinner.  What does my (almost) 88 year old FIL say to me?  Oh Barbara, you look like you've put on weight.  Arghh!!!  I haven't put on weight since he last saw me and, in fact, have lost several pounds since chemo.  Why do old people feel they can say rude things like this!!!!  I know he didn't mean it as an insult as he's done it before and last time my husband said the my FIL is of the generation that likes their women on the plump side.

    When I said no I hadn't and my husband mentioned that that's not a good thing ever to say to a woman, he said no, I meant your arms look bigger!  Great.  I actually have thin arms and legs (below the knee, pudgy above, saddle bags, you get the picture).  I just haven't been able to do much toning lately especially the arms because of cording.

    Anyway, I was so pissed off after and laid into my husband even though he defended me and told him I was going to stop eating.  Unfortunately, I didn't stop.  Who needs those kind of comments, even from a well meaning old man.

  • Wintermoon623
    Wintermoon623 Member Posts: 119
    edited August 2008

    Ok...I know this must be a dumb question...but what is cording? Is that something else I get to look forward to? Frown

    People do say really dumb things sometime.  My mother would call it "bluntness".  When I looked in the mirror a few months ago I had no hair, no eyebrows and no eyelashes. I literally looked like an alien.  But people were kind and always told me I looked great.  I remember thinking "great as compared to what??? Looking dead?" I'm sure your FIL didn't mean to hurt your feelings...just people don't think sometimes. And yes, no one needs to hear those kind of comments.

  • magsandmattsmom
    magsandmattsmom Member Posts: 424
    edited August 2008

    Ok do you have a "reward" for yourself when you make your goal?  Here's mine - getting my belly button repierced!  I got it done about this time last summer because I wanted to believe I was done with any scans that would force me to remove it for 6 months (well healed by that time and not an issue to remove and switch to a plastic one for scans) OH NO! In Sept I had PET Scan that found my Triple A and that led to 2 CT scans and then heart surgery!  Silly me for thinking I could do something "normal" that everyone else could do without thinking about scans!

    So! When I hit 140 (5.5 lbs away but the smae 5.5 I've been fighting all summer!) I get it repierced!

    Any plans for you?

  • BMac
    BMac Member Posts: 650
    edited August 2008

    Hi Winter, yes I know my FIL didn't mean anything by what he said.  He's really a very dear, sweet man.  My husband and I actually just talked about this 10 minutes ago.  I think what he meant was that I look "healthy".  I am hyper sensitive these days.  I'm going through the stage where I have no patience and I'm upset by the people who let me down so everything bugs me.

    Cording is a side effect from having the lymph nodes removed.  If I look in my underarm and have what looks like a cord there and it runs all the way down my arm (not visible) and it hurts to extend my arm.  It's tight and I believe it's a tendon? (I should remember what it is; I've looked it up enough times, but my memory is non-existant.  I forget things as soon as I read them!).  Yes, something else to look forward to.

  • irishdreama
    irishdreama Member Posts: 938
    edited August 2008

    Wintermoon-I hear you about the bleeding-I was so scared I'd end up with colon cancer on top of the breast cancer from all the trouble I was having. My former onc told me there would be constipation, but there's constipation and then there's CONSTIPATION!

  • lilith
    lilith Member Posts: 543
    edited August 2008

    hmmm, Barbara - I think I had that in the armpit. My doc said it was internal scarring, and while it did hurt when I extended the arm, I kept using it so regularly that it stretched out. Not visible anymore, and it doesn't hurt...

    I don't know what I'll do once I am back at a normal weight. Probably dance all the way to a fancy clothing store...

  • BMac
    BMac Member Posts: 650
    edited August 2008

    Lilith, that's good to hear.  I keep stretching and I'm seeing the onc on Thurs when I go for my Herceptin so I'm going to ask her about it.  It got worse the day after I finished rads.

    When I'm back to a normal weight I'll definitely buy clothes.  I hate to buy anything now coz if I go back to my normal weight I won't be able to wear them anymore so I'm waiting.

  • Wintermoon623
    Wintermoon623 Member Posts: 119
    edited August 2008

    Thanks for the answer BMac.  I only had three nodes removed for the biopsy. I've gotten all the sensation back under my arm even though my surgeon said I might stay numb there forever. 

    irishdrema...I was literally crying when I got hit with the chemo constipation.  I hope to never experience that again!  I did learn from that and from the first chemo that when they tell you to take your anti-nausea meds and take your constipation meds...you have to do it!!  I didn't take my anti-nausea meds early enough after the first treatment and I felt dreadful.  I quickly learned how to take care of that.  I was so glad when they switched me to Taxol after the A/C.  I found myself wishing that steroids were good for you cause they gave me a lot of energy during the Taxol.  The Taxol was a lot easier on my digestive system too.

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