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  • rock
    rock Member Posts: 1,486
    edited July 2008

    Yeah, Karin!  Congrats!  Pick yourself out a celebratory cake, though hopefully not one of these!

    http://www.cakewrecks.blogspot.com/ 

    Off to the lake.  See you guys there! You are my lodestone, my good luck charm.  Couldn't go to chemo this morning without checking in.  (I have 9 minutes to shower, get out of my pajama, and create the illusion of health for my onco!)

  • Gracie713
    Gracie713 Member Posts: 302
    edited July 2008

    The lake sounds so good right now--it is so humid here!  Still have to get in the shower & get ready for the trip.  Afterwards, have to go to the DMV and get new tags for the car--Where did July go???

    Going to get DH to take me for a bacon, egg  cheese biscuit before tx--just when I feel like eating, it's time to get zapped again.

    Thoughts with everyone getting tx today--I'm so glad to have you all with me, cause it would be a lot more difficult without you!

  • sueper13
    sueper13 Member Posts: 1,224
    edited July 2008

    Cristine,

     I am not until next week, the 7th for my LAST TAC!!!!!! YIPPEE!!!!!!  My only complaint (possible) is that my Aunt Charlotte AND my SIL want to come for the last one and they have both given me so much support I don't feel like I can say it might be too much company.......

    Rock, I'm sending (BACK TO DD) vibes to your onc, RIGHT NOW.....

    Love,

    Sue

  • ellenoire
    ellenoire Member Posts: 674
    edited July 2008

    Well Rock if my good thoughts for you do not send you positive vibes my hysterical laughter from that cake site will!  ROFLMFAO!!!!!

     I hope everyone has a great session today!

     Sue, tell them to come at a certain time and leave you by yourself for a bit, or have them stagger and not come together. I had most of my chemo's with company, but had my last almost alone. I liked the quiet time to reflect and think of what was coming up. I am trying to read about how women deal with the 'chemo is over' phase. 

     It is cool and pouring rain here and my kid is at camp, I need the BF, and a blanket and the day will be a good one. Or if you let me come to Italy, I will do the driving, to the markets and vineyards to get the food and all you need....I have a little more energy than y'all. 

      Chemooooo!Noelle  

  • Sable
    Sable Member Posts: 738
    edited July 2008

    Sending good vibes out to the chemoooooo ladies today!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! <squish>

  • rock
    rock Member Posts: 1,486
    edited July 2008

    Sisters, your magic WORKED! I am going to be jetting on dose dense Taxol in about an hour.  I've never been so happy to spend 3 hours getting an infusion this far.  Still anemic. (Surprise)

    Sue -- Last TAC? Sweet Jesus but that is wonderful news.

    (Did someone say "bacon"? Screw the raisins and the graham crackers; I want bacon.)

  • Sable
    Sable Member Posts: 738
    edited July 2008

    woooohoooooo!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! (weird thing to say congrats about) but woohoo congrats rock!!!!!!!!! Let's hope this time is MUCH easier for you! *wiggles her blue crocs for rock*

  • ellenoire
    ellenoire Member Posts: 674
    edited July 2008

    Yay to Rock!

     I will make you an ridiculous cake to celebrate!

  • familyroks
    familyroks Member Posts: 575
    edited July 2008

    YAY Rock!!!!!!!!!!  Totally awesome!!

  • Sable
    Sable Member Posts: 738
    edited July 2008

    Um... is it possible that hair might be coming back already???? Past few weeks I've only had to shave my legs once a week and this time it was after 4 days and now I looked at the top of my head it "looks" like there might be teeny hairs coming in?!?!?!? Could it be possible?? I'm trying not to get excited and thought maybe the ones on my head were old ones that broke off. Man it would be nice if it was coming in already. I'm having hubs check the top of my head tonight when he gets home for signs of life.

  • Estepp
    Estepp Member Posts: 6,416
    edited July 2008

    Roxi.. you are so cute !

  • MsKarin
    MsKarin Member Posts: 647
    edited July 2008

    Back from last T/C everything went great but I did have to get three sticks. Ouch! Other then that things went smooth. I did attempt to pole dance had to have a party for my last treatment. Here goes.

    Enjoy the day, Karin

  • Gracie713
    Gracie713 Member Posts: 302
    edited July 2008

    Karin, congrats on this being the last!!  Love the pics!

    Had an interesting experience at treatment today--was very crowded, so they put me in one of the large exam rooms.  Then they brought back a lady and a man with long hair, pulled back in a pony tail.  They  took the lady to the treatment room as soon as a chair opened.  The man & I started talking, and low & behold, to make a long story short, I actually knew this man when I was growing up in Indiana, he lived a couple of houses behind us and his daughter was my best friend all through grade school & Jr. High.  (She moved to FL)  She moved back a few years later and we worked together in a retail store.  She is coming down to visit him this weekend, so I gave him my number so she could call me.  We had a good conversation, talking about the old neighborhood, brought back a lot of memories.  

    Rock--glad you get to go back to your DD!

    Hope that everyone is having a great day!  

  • rock
    rock Member Posts: 1,486
    edited July 2008

    Karin: I LOVE THE PICTURES.  If I remember my camera, I am DeF going to have a pic taken of me pole dancing.  I like the idea of making it a tradition!  YOU LOOK FABuLous.  I wANNa be in HER InfFUSion Room.

    Gracie -- I love sMALL world expeRIEnces.

    SORry foR the wHACk CapitALIZation.  My SHift KEy is MeSSeD UP.  ThEN agAIn, I KinDA LikE IT!! 

  • Sable
    Sable Member Posts: 738
    edited July 2008

    That is halarious karin! Lovin it! Makes me wonder... should we all do a pole dance on the last day and have pics??? that'd be a hoot.

  • Roxi65229
    Roxi65229 Member Posts: 462
    edited July 2008

    I think we need to start a scrapbook of our pole dances. Love the pictures Karin! Yeah Rock! Back on DD...I knew all the positive vibes we were sending would make ot your way. Hope everyone's feeling good.

    Roxi

  • sueper13
    sueper13 Member Posts: 1,224
    edited July 2008

    Yay, ROCK.....YoU rOcK!!!! JET AWAY!!!!!!!

    I'll be pole dancing next week---thinking of renting a princess gown, tiara and magic wand for my last chemoooo!!!!!

    Hope everyone is feeling well..just another quick pop-in...working every day sucks!!!!!

    Love,

    Sue 

  • ellenoire
    ellenoire Member Posts: 674
    edited July 2008

    Yippee to Karin for being done! Those pics are awesome !

    Sable, I have not shaved anything since early June, and there is a little stubble everywhere. I think the Taxol is less evil to the follicular demise.

     The book I am reading is about what the hell people do/ feel etc in the phase immediately after chemo is done. It says the hair should start to really snap out of it once you have passed the time that you normally would have chemo again. So, today is two weeks since my last chemo... so I expect to wake up to a full head of hair tomorrow.. ;p. It also says that brewers yeast tablets are good for hair growth.

    If one more person acts like I am perfectly well and cured just because chemo is done I will scream!!!!! Be prepared ladies, the stupid things people say seems to get worse! 

     Rock, I hope your DD was ok today.

    Sue, working continues to suck here too. Now that I am 'cured' I have to clean up all the messes my staff have made in my store since February. 

    chemoooo! Noelle  

     

  • lewing
    lewing Member Posts: 1,288
    edited July 2008

    Yay for all the Wednesday group -- with special shout-outs to Karin, for being DONE, and Rock, for being back on DD.  (I think the weirdness of that last part has already been mentioned - we're celebrating because someone is going to be getting a more intense chemo regimen?? - but as the Mastercard ads might say . . . IV bag of Taxol: $8,600.  Neulasta shot: $3,000.  Bottle of Biotene mouthwash: $7.99.  Being done with chemo: priceless.)

    Even as I write that, I get what Noelle is saying about the difficulty of the period immediately after chemo is finished.  I got a little taste of that, from a different perspective, when a friend of mine finished his chemo a number of years back.  After that last treatment, I felt just lost.  Chemo was like a kind of bubble - as long as it was going on, I had this magical faith that nothing bad was going to happen.  The whole routine - blood tests, treatments, checkups - was reassuring.  Being forced to move outside of that bubble was scary.  But of course, I wasn't the one getting methotrexate injected into my spinal canal every 3 weeks. 

    He, of course, was absolutely elated when his treatments ended.  Which made me feel both weird and guilty . . . weird for having such a strange reaction (not actually so strange, I realize now, but didn't at the time) and guilty for effectively wishing more chemo on someone I cared about.

    But I tell you what - while I know mixed-up, unexpected emotions are a possibility down the road, I'm SO looking forward to that last treatment.  In a totally expected, totally unmixed way.

    Sable, on your hair question - I'm betting it IS growing.  I've read on other threads that hair growth (on the head, at least . . . eyebrows and eyelashes seem to be another story) is pretty common while on the taxanes following AC or FEC.  While the casual observer would still describe me as bald as a bowling ball, I personally KNOW that I'm feeling stubble in areas that used to be stubble-less (the nape of my neck is almost fuzzy!).  And there's no way I'm just imagining those wispy hairs sticking straight up on top of my head.  (It's too bad they seem to be coming in white.)

    Psyching myself up for the lake tomorrow; prosecco in my IV would sure be nice.

    Linda 

  • familyroks
    familyroks Member Posts: 575
    edited July 2008

    Grrrrr - I typed a whole long message and they installed filters that aren't working and won't allow more than 5 posts a day and I had had only 1 today!

    Edit - I guess they partially fixed it.  It let me post this.  Grrr

  • familyroks
    familyroks Member Posts: 575
    edited July 2008

    Lets try this again.

    Treatment went well today.  It was the busiest its every been in the chemo room.  Crazy busy.  My HGB is up to 11.1 (YAY!), Onc still elected to do the Aranesp just to keep it going.  My WBC is down to 2.8 .  He had said last time that he didn't think it would drop enough to do Neulasta.  However, just to cover my bases, I refilled my Neulasta prescription because my pharmacy doesn't carry it as a standard stock.  So today when I told him that I had ordered it, he still felt that I wasn't going to need it...then he looked at my numbers and said Yep, Neulasta.  I so wanted to stick my tongue out at him and say "I told you so".  But I love my Onc and he just hasn't learned, as my DH has, that I'm always right! ;)

    Karin - LOVE the pics!  Did anybody tip ya? LOL And congrats on your last T/C.  Celebration time!

    Another patient completed her final tx today.  The staff presented her with a non-alcoholic bottle of champagne in celebration.  As she left, we all clapped and congratulated her on her graduation.  MY last tx is 8/13...WOOHOOHOO!!  I can't wait!

    For those on the fence/gray area regarding radiation.  Talked to my Onc about it today.  He explained it this way (I also had DCIS).  If you look at an apple and it has a large brown bruise...that is the IDC.  Then you see that it has brown spots around the rest of the apple...that is the DCIS.  The DCIS is separate from the IDC, isn't formed from, or related to, the IDC.  They are their own little buttheads hoping  to make their own IDC party.  This just put a bit more perspective on the situation, especially since I hadn't put any thought into the DCIS and assumed that it was part of the IDC.  I was focused on the lymph nodes and the fact that only one had the tiniest spec of invasion.  So at this point, I'm leaning more towards doing the radiation.  DH and I will discuss it a bit more.  I hope this makes sense and helps those of you that are in my same gray situation.

    Linda - good luck tomorrow at the lake!  I HAVE to ask and pray...did you make up an arbitrary dollar figure on the Taxol???  Please say that you did.  I haven't seen any paperwork on it yet as they haven't submitted the charges to insurance yet.  I was pleasantly surprised and pleased with the A/C charges.

    Sable - My leg hair has been inconsistant.  Through A/C I had to shave twice a week but had no armpit hair at all (YAY).  Then right after A/C, my leg hair was gone.  About 2 weeks later, I felt some stubble and looked real close and saw light colored hair coming in (I have dark hair).  I shaved it and hasn't come back yet.  I never did lose all of my head hair.  I have some new growth and some older tough ones that refused to go.  I do lose some of that off and on, but again its inconsistant.  I'm a baby chia pet or maybe a brillo pad.

    Gracie - What a small world!  How cool is that?  You get to meet up with an old friend (a best one to boot) all because you were in tx.  Good things can happen during chemo!

    Jean and Rock - how are you doing this evening?  Hope all is well.

  • rock
    rock Member Posts: 1,486
    edited July 2008

    How am I doing? *burp* I went over to see friends and stuff envelopes for their wedding celebration (they eloped to a Justice of the Peace!). I brought a bottle of prosecco and we drank it. I ate french bread and homemade bruschetta. We had little ham sandwiches and gnocci. I ate like a pig.  Good times.  Glad I took advantage of the steroid-y energy. Plus, I felt that a celebration was in order, re: chemo.

    Linda -- where do you find biotene for less than $16?? (then again, I buy it buy the 10 gallon bucket.)  And where are you at with the treatments?

    Adrienne:  So, after my "3rd-ish" Taxol (2 DD plus 2-3 others), my WBC is 3.1 (I'm back on Neulasta); my hemoglobin is 9.3 and my red blood cells are 3.03. (And advice for raising my HGB? you, of the rising hemoglobin?!) 

    Sue: Pole-dance, pole-dance, fedora fedora! (How are you doing? How is the nest?)

    Noelle, I am probably going to say something in the "dumb things people say" realm and I apologize. But I want you to know that I'm really grateful to you (and Otter) and all the women who stick around after chemo is finished.  I feel like you're ahead of us on the road, and you're running back to us to say, "Okay, here's what lies ahead." and that is incredibly helpful and reassuring to me.  I only wish I could reciprocate.

    For me, most of the stupid stuff people say falls in the category of somehow trying to tell me how I should feel. Luck, relieved, "done", "cured," "positive" etc.  I actually told someone today that if she had lost her job, got a divorce or was in a car accident, it was not likely that someone would immediately respond "Be positive!" so I think people should think twice before laying that load on a person with bc.  Them's my two cents.

    Did I mention I'm back on DD Taxol? And that I drank prosecco with friends tonight? Wish you were here, guys.  But you actually were.  smooches.

  • Jeano77
    Jeano77 Member Posts: 237
    edited July 2008

    Rock - Congrats on moving back to the bi-weekly Taxol treatments!  Glad to know that the day went well for you.  I loved the two cents that you have added & plan to use it as an example. 

    Karin - Congrats on the last tx - pole dance pictures were awesome and I plan to bring a camera to my last treatment now as well.  I think a scrapbook is in order (as previously suggested). 

    Sable - My onc indicated that hair on my head may grow back during taxol.  I can tell I also have a bit more on the nap of the neck (just as Linda mentioned).  Eyebrows have thinned a bunch, but did not lose them completely.  May happen yet, maybe not. 

    I also would like to extend a big thanks to Noelle and Otter for continuing to provide laughs (lots of laughs) and words of wisdom to the rest of the group, despite having completed treatments.

    Taxol #2 is now complete - yeah!  Lots of steroids in the system (since I received all via IV this morning only) and typing like crazy.  Oddly enough, my WBC was at 14 today.  They are thinking that it is possible that I have a viral infection (TMI alert), had squirts and stomach pains last couple of days - but still allowed me to take treatment today.  Just had another episode tonight and stomach pains, so calling again tomorrow.   Have my first meeting with my onc rad tomorrow.

    Sending positive thoughts to all of the Thursday folks!  Jean

  • ellenoire
    ellenoire Member Posts: 674
    edited July 2008

    Funny, Rock I was just thinking how nice it is that you guys are ok with me being here. The April group has kinda fallen apart, and I was feeling a little lost when I started hanging out here. I do have to tell you, in the chemo chair at my last chemo I was feeling guilty. Guilty for invading your group, but mostly guilty for being finished with chemo before most of you. Dumb, I know but I felt like I was being sent home from summer camp early and I was missing the closing campfire. 

    2 weeks into my stay at 'Camp Recovery' I can tell you the emotional stuff is a rollercoaster. Not what I expected, and I am still digging for info about how to handle the petty stuff...the weight gain, bloating,  nail damage etc etc etc. There is not much info about this stage. Today is the longest I have been without chemo since this crap all started. I spent a good part of the afternoon crying and angry because now everyone is expecting me to bounce back right away. Or maybe that is just me expecting that, and I am misreading what other people are saying. wheee! I always hated Rollercoasters dammit!

    Rock, I am glad you got to hang out with pals and have fun.

    Chemoo everyone!

    Noelle  

     

  • ranD
    ranD Member Posts: 373
    edited July 2008

    Rock: great news...rock on join the DD train with the rest of us.

    Bloodtest today, one stick,who hoo.  3 more blood draws and I will be done. maybe? Put on the timer for my 11 pm steroid booster, then I have to set my alarm clock for the 5 am boost.

    Dh will be taking me this is his first CHEMOOOOO and he gets the 5 hour trip.  I plan on sleeping and listerning to me mp3, he will probably head over to the cafeteria and wi-fi.

    Wish I could bring the vino and cheese for all of you.  I hope after there will be enough enrgy for me to go shopping for crocs.

    CHEMOOOOOO

    randie

  • drcrisc
    drcrisc Member Posts: 836
    edited July 2008

    Rock - My two cents is YAY fOr YOu!  I know this helps keep you on track for SA and that is a BIG deal.  Sounds like you had a nice evening.  Smile

    Karin - Good golly, Miss Molly!!  I LOVE those pictures and woo hoo for you!!!  Laughing

    Jean - I hope the possible infection is not and glad your through #2!

    Gracie - How did you fare today?

    Sending good chemoooo thoughts to Angels, Linda and Randie for tomorrow (no SE's, no SE's, no SE's...)

    I, too, just want to add my thanks to Noelle (you did NOT butt in) and there are some of us really bringing up the rear (so to speak!) that will be doing this well into the fall, so your presence (and Otter's and anyone else who keeps "hanging out") is much appreciated. 

     So...did anybody's eyelashes go first??  I am losing them at a rather alarming rate - although older dd swore they didn't look any different.  However, still have most of my hair.  And I'm only shaving my legs every 2-3 days, which is one of the only benefits and highly unusual given my mediterranean heritage.

  • drcrisc
    drcrisc Member Posts: 836
    edited July 2008

    My dh sent me this and I thought I'd share it with you - it preempts the "Be positive" statement!

         ____________________________________________________________________

    One day I hopped in a taxi and we took off for the airport. We were driving in the right lane when suddenly a black car jumped out of a parking space right in front of us. My taxi driver slammed on his brakes, skidded, and missed the other car by just inches! The driver of the other car whipped his head around and started yelling at us. My taxi driver just smiled and waved at the guy. And I mean, he was really friendly. So I asked, "Why did you just do that? This guy almost ruined your car and sent us to the hospital!"

    This is when my taxi driver taught me what I now call, "The Law of the Garbage Truck." He explained that many people are like garbage trucks. They run around full of garbage, full of frustration, full of anger, and full of disappointment. As their garbage piles up, they need a place to dump it and sometimes they'll dump it on you. Don't take it personally.. Just smile, wave, wish them well, and move on. Don't take their garbage and spread it to other people at work, at home, or on the streets. The bottom line is that successful people do not let garbage trucks take over their day. Life's too short to wake up in the morning with regrets, so..... "Love the people who treat you right. Pray for the ones who don't."

    Life is ten percent what you make it and ninety percent how you take it!

    Author Unknown

  • lewing
    lewing Member Posts: 1,288
    edited July 2008

    Responding first to the pricing questions . . .

    I was taking a guess on the Taxol, but it was an educated guess (at least for those who are getting it biweekly . . . weekly = smaller bags = lower cost per treatment).  My jaw dropped when I got my hospital statement statement after my first Taxotere: $8,865.  Taxanes are expensive drugs.  (In contrast to A and C, which are dirt cheap: my billing detail lists them both as $176 a bag.  Which means that the two chemo drugs combined cost less than the bag of Aloxi to combat their side effects.

    My $7.99 Biotene came from CVS, but that's only for 16 oz.  (They must have kept the bucket-sized containers on another shelf, because I didn't see 'em.)

    Rock, I wish I had words of wisdom on the hgb thing.  I've been eating a lot of beef, even though I know that being short of iron is not really the issue for me . . . it's the delivery system, not the supply, that's out of whack.  All the same, my hemoglobin jumped from 10.8 to 13.3 in a week (without Aranesp), which absolutely floored me.  I'd been on a steady (and, after Taxotere #1, steep) downward trend since starting chemo April 24, and the best I was hoping for was a plateau.  I think the whole interaction of chemo and bone marrow must be pretty complicated.  But as my onc has said, more than once, "I treat patients, not numbers."  It's a cliche, and I wish to hell he'd stop saying it, but the point is: how you feel is more important than the number on your lab result.  So if you're still getting around and enjoying life despite the 9.X hgb, then maybe there's no need to treat the anemia. 

    Planning to put in a couple of hours at work before heading to the hospital for labs and chemooooo . . . maybe I'll practice my pole dancing (gotta be ready for my final tx on August 21).

    Linda

  • MsKarin
    MsKarin Member Posts: 647
    edited July 2008

    To All

    I may be done with my T/C treatments but I'm not done with this thread. I like Otter and Noelle plan on hanging around.

    To those going to the lake today hope it is smooth sailing.

    Adrienne -  <<<they installed filters that aren't working and won't allow more than 5 posts a day>>> Is it because they aren't working right or is that a new thing where we can only post 5 a day?

    Enjoy the day, Karin

  • familyroks
    familyroks Member Posts: 575
    edited July 2008

    Karin - I think it was a knee jerk reaction to those awful posts being made yesterday and the day before.  "They" had briefly shut the system down last night.  When it came up I tried to post a message (my #2 for the day) and I received the message that I couldn't post because there is a limit of 5 posts a day.  Either way, I think they've fixed it because I was able to post later. 

    Good luck to everyone at the lake today!

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