NGM

whitelight-

I was diagnosed with 3rd grade, ductal invasive cancer last week.

After sitting listening to a horrific list of suggested cures, cures that I watched my mother die a terrible death from, I went away and did a wee bit more research.

It is Dr Ryke Hammer's New German Medicine (NGM) which resonates deeply within me. Other holistic therapies never quite did it for me - almost but there was always a piece missing. NGM has put that last missing jigsaw piece in place and it is that path which I am going to take. I have refused all of the treatments recommended to me by conventional medicine and know that I will not, indeed that I cannot ( no woman can) die of breast cancer.

xxx love and peace xxx

exbrnxgrl

Sorry dear, but putting the blame for cancer on ones parents or, worse, on some kind of Jewish conspiracy does not Bali's science make. Hammer has had his medical license revoked , so I will not call him doctor. As a Jew, I can't even find words to express how highly offensive his theories are.

https://www.vice.com/en_uk/article/dp9gqj/germanic-new-medicine

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ryke_Geerd_Hamer

As with any of us, you are free to make your own tax choices and I wish you only the best.

whitelight-

I have not put the blame for my cancer on anybody at all, what on earth are you talking about? What have anyone's parents got to do with NGM? Huh?

As far as I know the story Dr Hammer criticised certain Jewish doctors for using NGM on their loved ones whilst using conventional methods on their other patients - which has been used as anti jewish propaganda against him. Actually I do not care about such things - free thought and speech are precious to me and all decent people - politics should not be a part of healing which it did became when they revoked Dr Hammers licence for questioning why no body would test his findings - In court the reason why was given as ''we do not want to know that he is right''..

I did not come here to argue but as all of us who have cancer or are in fear of cancer come here. I have told of my experience and my intentions only to be attacked by you. This is not a time for any of us to attack each other. Now, I am not coming back into this forum after your nastiness which, as I have said, is unexpected and not right for here at such a time in our lives...

I wish all of you healing xxx

L-O-R-I

Perhaps, whitelight, exbrnxgrl is genuinely concerned but has a desperate way of showing it?  Don't punish yourself by leaving the site!  I know that I have received negative judgements for the pathways I have chosen to take, but it is usually from people that have made their direction and can not now consider anything else.  After having surgery, radiation, chemo, etc. it is too late for them to go back to the start and try what you or I, or anyone else has chosen.  Their concern is that, after we try our way, it may be too late for us to try their way.  If any one's way is condemned, it is hard for them too take.  Be strong and hold up your belief as a flag of victory.  If you choose to go with the method that you have, then good for you!  There will be positive things that you can take from this site and also add to this site.  Just the power of positive thinking has you on the right track ).  I have never looked back, and it will be 1 year in 6 days from today.  I have never shed a tear this entire year, in fear, because I truly believe that I am doing what is best for me.  I have, however, shed tears of gratitude, because we truly are "fearfully and wonderfully made"! 

whitelight-

Bless you L-O-R-I

I am tired at the mo and wasn't expecting a fight --- on any other forum but not here

xxx Good for you pet - nope I too have absolutely no doubts about NGM nor that I shall find the way, using the findings of Dr Hammer as my base, to heal my psyche, brain and body and that it can take as long as it takes.

xxx

edwards750

She wasn’t blaming her parents. She said her mother died after enduring one of the horrific(her words) cures. I’m sure there are thousands of women on both sides who could attest their way was better.

I read his bio and have to admit to say his way isunconventional would be a gross understatement. Some of his theories would be laughable if they were so frightening. Clapping your hands? Seriously?

I went the conventional route and am nearly 8 years out(God willing) this August. I know there are scores of women who haven’t been as fortunate.

The bottom line is you are your own advocate. It’s your call, your life. No one should try and impose their will on anyone but I honestly believe sometimes the opposition is out of sheer concern not criticism.

Whatever you decide don’t second guess yourself or look back and wonder what if...

Diane

L-O-R-I

http://www.indoamerican-news.com/spiritual-and-physical-benefit-of-clapping-hands/

exbrnxgrl

white light,

Where in my post was I nasty? I have read and reread it and can’t find an iota of nastiness. I simply expressed strong doubts about NGM and Dr. Hammers ant-Semitism. If you only wish to have comments support your choice, please know that this probably won’t happen on a public site, which is largely in support of conventional treatment (although we do have an alternative medicine forum). Take good care of yourself.

L-O-R-I,

I am not sure what “desperate way of showing it” means with respect to my post on NGM and it’s founder, Dr. Hammer. Anti-Semitism and blaming all manner of things on Jews and Jewish doctors is abhorrent to me and should be to others as well. If you’ve never been on the receiving end of anti-Semitism it may be difficult to imagine just how painful the wounds can be. More importantly, Dr. Hammer’s theory remains disproven and doesn’t cure cancer. However, if anyone believes it will help, it is their choice to try it. Presenting another POV is neither nasty nor desperate

i hope that someday there are treatments that have no awful side effects, and that there is a real cure for all. Until such time, I hope we all live the best life we can.

whitelight-

For NGM the reason for clapping hands is to ascertain whether a person is cognitively right or left handed. It does make a difference to the diagnosis.

whitelight-

He criticised some Jewish doctors who, to his knowledge, were treating their Jewish patients by NGM and their non Jewish patients with conventional methods. Were you there to call him a liar? Anything else is other people's propaganda, as far as I can see, but for me it is irrelevant - irrelevant to my finding the path to my own healing, which is void of politics.

Personally, I never trust anyone who uses the anti semite card or such like to shut down an opposing point of view or argument .... it is cheap and dishonest and actually I had made no argument. I had simply stated that I was using this concept as my base in the quest to heal myself - body and soul.

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L-O-R-I

exbrnxgrl   My comment above, when I used the words "a desperate way", was another way of saying "a passionate way".   I also want to clarify that I was unaware, and still am, as to weather or not this particular Doctor or any other Doctor, for that matter, has any particular origin or faith, or lack there of.  We are all on this amazing site looking for information on what means and methods have contributed to other's healing or at the very least, coping.  There is good and bad in every person, race, and religion, but no one is here to dwell on that.  I'm genuinely sorry that I came across as anything but well-meaning.  

edwards750    Congrats on being  "8 years out (God willing) this August" !!  You are definitely an inspiration!

exbrnxgrl

whitelight,

Anti-Semitism card? Really? Ant-Semitism is alive and well and always has been. It is neither cheap nor dishonest but rather a cruel and hurtful attitude that fellow Jews and myself continue to experience. I wish it wasn't so, but sadly it is. Dr. Hammer's anti-Semitism is well documented and although I wasn' t there, the history is clear. I wish you well, but I won't post further on this topic.

PS: I have no desire to shut down an argument or stop civil discourse. I hope you have never experienced anti-Semitism or any form of discrimination. Please don’t minimize the pain of those who have. It is very real

LoveFromPhilly

whitelight.

I am very sorry to hear that you, another sister, have been diagnosed with stage 3 BC. It sucks.

However, it is important to understand that for Jews, when a person defends the practices of a nazi, there is no card being “pulled." Saying this is a very poor excuse for not standing up to the issue at hand. It would be the same as me saying that I am going to follow the path and recommendations of the doctor who came up with The Tuskegee Study of Untreated Syphilis and then, defending it! I hope this helps you understand how hurtful what you wrote is to an entire ethnic group of people?

The more concerning issue is the following of this persons ideology blindly and with such faith. The reason why it is concerning is that, if you are one who has deeply studied “alternative medicine" for the past 12 years (like me!) and focused studies in oncology from an integrative and complementary perspective, you would have the information to understand that the protocol you are following will not cure your cancer and there's a incredibly high percent chance you will die from this disease. Not necessarily today or tomorrow, but soon - perhaps in the next year. I have seen it happen. The well-trainer folks in complementary oncology medicine are ethically bound to disclose this information to our patients. Anyone who allows you to believe otherwise is indeed practicing unethical medicine.

Now, there is a thread that you may fare way better on. It is called “My Choice, Refusing Treatment." Do a search and you will find them!Since that IS in fact what you are actually doing, it would make so much sense to post your questions to that group. They are incredibly loving and supportive and can tell you about their personal experiences with refusing conventional treatment. I would recommend that you pay attention to what stage their breast cancers are and the details of their diagnoses and possible previous treatments. You will find your people there for sure.

Best of luck!!!

(Side note; I was a total natural medicine “addict" and had to do a 180 turn and finally gave myself over to conventional medicine to treat this disease. Because of this, I am still here stage 4 two years later, feeling pretty well all things considered, eating all my delicious organic foods, exercising, clapping my hands with joy and to music singalongs, salsa dancing out at the clubs, cardio kickboxing, working and treating patients human. The conventional medicine is proven to work for most people. There are always people that it appears to have failed. The intellectual reasoning to consider with this, is that usually there's more to the story than simply: they died from chemo. It is important to do our research diligently and be comfortable with our choices. My body my choice. That's the end of the story).

Beesie

"He criticised some Jewish doctors who, to his knowledge, were treating their Jewish patients by NGM and their non Jewish patients with conventional methods."

So he was saying that Jewish doctors were offering life-saving treatments to their non-Jewish patients and leaving their Jewish patients to die with only pseudoscience and quackery? How strange.

Yeah, I know that's not how Mr. Hamer meant it. But for Jewish doctors committed to their patients, that would be the reality of what he was suggesting. (And no, I didn't need to be there to know that his accusation against Jewish doctors was an anti-Semitic lie.)

Given that Mr. Hamer had surgery to treat his testicular cancer, doesn't his theory in effect do what he was accusing Jewish doctors of having done? He had conventional treatment and survived, but his theory opposes conventional treatment for his followers.

From the Swiss Study Group for Complementary and Alternative in Cancer: http://assets.krebsliga.ch/downloads/01_02_hamer_e_neu.pdf

Everyone is entitled to follow whatever treatment (or non treatment) path they would like - I am not criticizing any individual's choice to forgo treatment or to pursue alternate treatments. That said, Mr. Hamer appears to have been a quack and a charlatan, and also seems to have been a dispicable human being.

whitelight-

L-O-R-I

I'm not getting any further into this conversation now. It has been totally derailed and is going down a most unexpected, irrelevant and unhelpful path. I was only diagnosed a week ago - I really do not need this sort of nonsense right now.

I shall come back and update you on my progress though.

All the best sweet heart.

Yndorian

Don't you even get a surgery? My plan was to get a surgery and then follow an holistic treatment, but my family press for the complete package

whitelight-

No, no surgery.

Moderators

Hello All, This thread is getting contentious. Everyone has the right to choose their individual treatment path, which may or may not include conventional medicine. That said, there is no place in our community for anti-Semitic undertones. We are all her to support one-another, without bias.

Thank you.

whitelight-

In my defence.

I am just a woman who was diagnosed with breast cancer a mere week and a couple of days ago and who is looking for answers. For this reason alone I came to this site expecting to find some kinship and kindness among other sufferers. In that I have been open and honest and briefly , often with shaking hands, shared my experiences, so far, as well as my intentions.

I am not an anti semite or an anti anyone else nor am I a nazi. Nor did I come to this site expecting to have to defend myself against such charges from other posters or the moderators. I am completely flabbergasted actually by what I can only describe as an assault on my integrity and have found the experience very upsetting.

I wish no one harm and hope wellness and happiness for every other sufferer.

whitelight-

In German New Medicine surgery and medicines are only used where the cancer is obstructive. The method is to find the root cause of the cancer ( and or other ail), as in what psychic shock brought it into being and from there the patient heals themselves.

Once the conflict is resolved the body heals itself.

whitelight-

Moderators

I honestly do not know what to say!

I am not an anti anybody on this planet for reasons of religion, culture, ethnicity, politics or anything else you can think of - any accusations of such have not, as is being inferred here, come from my direction. I am not going to lay out my whole life experience here but truly if I did any such inferences would be put to bed pronto.

We are all fragile at times like these, I am no exception in that nor especial in that but with respect and kindness and warmth toward everyone else reading this:- after listening to the methods that conventional medicine had in store for me I rejected them all. I intuitively repulsed against them and being that way inclined anyway and after life experiences and having done a lot of research already came across the revolutionary findings of Dr Ryke Hammer. This, his, is the path which I intend to follow he gave me the missing piece in my quest to understand what had happened in my body - I am going to walk down this path for mine and my loved one's well being NOT for any other reasons as has been inferred by nay sayers on here. Politics was the last thing on my mind when I came here which for a passionate Brexiteer, at this time, is saying something - as an aside I am not even unkind to Remoaners.

Anyway - I shall as I follow my own path pop in to give you updates but for now I shall not linger and I bid you - au revoir

Elephant

Hi Whitelight: I don't think that the moderators were suggesting that you made any comments that were offensive; they were just saying that the overall tone of the comments in general were not being very helpful. Everyone on these forums has cancer and it is difficult to come to terms with the idea so that sometimes comments are made that are not meant to be offensive, but they do read that way.

I don't think that you should take it personally but that you should continue to look into these forums for support, help and guidance as you walk your path to, hopefully, complete recovery.

whitelight-

Elephant

Is that why a post that I wrote in my defence was deleted? Not personal? Really?

I have been put in a position here whereby I must defend myself from inferred accusations because of the path I have chosen to take. At, as you say, a time in my life where I am vulnerable and, because we are all in the same boat, had my guard down - as it is so, or has been so, for everyone else on here I should imagine.

Dr Ryke Hammer was a German doctor who lived in main land Europe until he died a couple of years ago -- IF there had been an inkling of him being anti semitic or a nazi he would have been imprisoned for it alongside the other 3,000 or so Europeans languishing in European jails right now for even hinting at anti semitism. Freedom of speech died in Europe many moons ago, I watched it die. 15 years in the slammer is not unheard of for people voicing their thoughts ( thoughts not incitement) in Europe - so to parrot a propagandist called Moss, I believe, is, at best, ignorant of the political atmosphere in Europe today as well as being ignorant of Dr Hammer's work and the persecution that he himself suffered for it but I do not care about his politics. I cannot judge having not walked in his shoes and therefore not knowing all of his experiences - other than of the killing of his only and beloved son by a mad man with a gun one night, on an island off Italy, and his and his wife's subsequent cancer which kick started his journey - out of which through his findings hundreds of thousands of people have healed themselves as I too shall do.

I could but shan't and did not and do not intend to get into the politics surrounding western medicine - others have, and in this thread that I started about my choice for healing NOT about a political anything - I suggest they begin a political thread of their own.

It has been shocking that, by inference and or association, I have been called a nazi and an anti semite. Luckily I am strong enough in my boots to have not taken too long to get up from it but for anyone of lesser strength, coming here, I pray to God that those of you who genuinely do care are more protective. Harsh words could easily break a small vulnerable bird.

Now I must turn off notifications or I'm going to get pulled back into this that I do not wish to spend precious time on -

Beesie

whitelight,

The community (i.e. a number of the your fellow members here) deleted your post because they felt it was inappropriate. Many of us have had posts deleted for a variety of reasons and usually we shrug it off and acknowledge that what we wrote was insensitive or inappropriate or maybe just a little too direct and hurtful.

I was not one of those who pushed the button to report and delete your post, but in my post above, I included a quote from your now-deleted post. This statement reflects the anti-Semitic position taken by Mr. Hamer. In your post, you presented his position in a factual manner, and challenged those who have suggested that his position was not based on the truth; paraphrasing here, you said "how do you know it is a lie if you weren't there?". You also accused those here saying that Mr. Hamer was anti-Semitic as "playing the anti-Semitism card".

If you don't appreciate what is concerning and disturbing about your defence of Mr. Hamer's positions (not referring here to his rather unusual take on disease and healing), well, I doubt there is anything I can say to explain.

In my reading of the posts here, I have not seen anyone come even close to suggesting that you are a Nazi or anti-Semite. After questioning Mr. Hamer's personal and medical opinions, I have seen the posters here wish you well. Rather than accept the well wishes and turn the discussion to how you plan to address your breast cancer diagnosis, you have continued to defend Mr. Hamer and his positions, unfortunately digging yourself into a deeper and deeper hole.

I do wish you well and hope that you find a path to address your cancer that is successful.

exbrnxgrl

Not questioning anyone’s treatment choices. Everyone can feel free to treat or not treat as they see fit. However it is fine, this is the complimentary forum, for others to express their opinions of a given treatment and present evidence, both pro and con.

Objections were voiced concerning the ugly anti-Semitism of Hamer and your dismissal of bringing it up as “cheap and dishonest.” For those of us who have been subjected to anti-Semitism or lost friends and family during the Holocaust, anti-Semitism is a fact of life and sadly, becoming more blatant.

I noticed that you did a bit of name calling with respect to those who wish to remain in the EU. They are remainers, not remoaners. Not a horrible slur, but not very kind even if you hold an opposing view (kind of like calling Democrats in the US, Demorats ) .Our moderators do a fabulous job of keeping name calling and unkindness out of bco and I applaud them and hope you understand the importance of maintaining the culture of bco. Take care of yourself

whitelight-

So you will listen to the propaganda of the very dubious Dr R Moss, whose jealousy of Dr Hammer's revolutionary findings is palpable, rather than investigate the amazing work of an amazing and truly good human being. Fine that is up to you ......... I certainly won't bother sharing it here and now in such an atmosphere.

Dr Hammer protested against hypocrisy - hypocrisy - not Jewishness or Professorship or Doctorhood nor Dukedom nor the legal system for one rotten judge nor all Politicos - no, he protested against hypocrisy where he saw it. I could use a few choice words against the oncologist I saw - who happened to be Nigerian - does that make me anti doctors or anti Nigerian? Well, does it? And if he had been a Jew? So what? What difference does it make that Hammer criticised some Jewish doctors for the way they practiced, especially if he was found to be correct? That he criticized many other too. The University which refused to test the 20 thousand cases he had sent to be studied by them - after taking them to court and in that court being told by the Uni that - they did not test his findings because they did not want to know that he was right..... isn't that too hypocrisy?

Anyway I really am tired of this - back track all you like, I know what I felt coming through the screen at me - and it was not kinship nor was it kindness however much you try to sugar coat it now.

Peregrinelady

“Hundreds of thousands have healed themselves”? Really? I would like to see the evidence supporting that statement.

whitelight-

Peregrinelady

There is nothing stopping you from finding that evidence, is there?

''That there is a connection between the psyche and disease is neither a new discovery, nor is it Dr. Hamer's discovery. To quote Dr. Hamer:

"Through the millennia, humanity has more or less consciously known that all diseases ultimately have a psychic origin and it became a "scientific" asset firmly anchored in the inheritance of universal knowledge; it is only modern medicine that has turned our animated beings into a bag full of chemical formulas."

Welcome to Dr. Hamer's page on The German New Medicine.

If this is your first visit, the following will serve as a short introduction:

Twenty years ago, Dr. Ryke Geerd Hamer, a German doctor with his own practice in Rome, Italy, received a call in the middle of the night. His 17-year old son had been shot while on holiday in the Mediterranean. Three months later, Dirk died and shortly after, Dr. Hamer, who had been healthy all his life, but who was utterly devastated by this catastrophe, found he had testicular cancer. Rather suspicious about this coincidence, he set about doing research on the personal histories of cancer patients to see whether they had suffered some shock, distress or trauma before their illness.

In time, after extensive research of thousands of patients, Dr. Hamer was finally able to conclude that disease is only brought about by a shock for which we are totally unprepared. This last point is very important. If we can in any way be prepared for the shocking event, we will not become ill. In fact, Dr. Hamer does not like to say 'cancer'. Rather, it is a special biological response to an unusual situation, and when the 'shock' situation is resolved, the body sets about returning to normality. This is a very simplified account, of course. The books explain in detail the complete process.

He presented his work to the university in Germany with which he was affiliated. Without testing or proving his hypothesis, they asked him to deny his findings. Since he could not possibly contemplate denying what he had scientifically proven beyond the shadow of a doubt, he refused. As a result, his licence to practise medicine was withdrawn and the situation remains unchanged to this day. Even though the University of Tubingen was ordered by a court of law to hold tests to prove the theories, they have never done so.

Dr. Hamer's life has been a turmoil of events ever since, culminating in an eighteen-month prison sentence in Germany, served in cells with common criminals. Much of the opposition he has had to face has come from the fact that the person who accidentally killed Dirk was the Prince of Savoy, the last King of Italy's son. A complicated, difficult and delicate situation, as anyone can imagine.

Dr. Hamer believes very strongly that the present methods of dealing with cancer are barbarous, cruel and completely unnecessary. This opinion does not make him many friends.

Since the discovery of the German New Medicine in 1981, Dr. Hamer has written several books on his medicine and his extraordinary findings. Some of the books have already been translated into several languages, and the work continues. Many physicians in Europe covertly practise his medicine, recognizing its exceptional diagnostic capability.

The lack of official recognition by "official" or "conventional" medicine is frustrating for both Dr. Hamer and for the public. We can only hope that the movement to change the status quo will come from the people who start to understand the way their bodies work and from insisting that their physicians, health care workers and institutions take notice.

The tireless work done by the ever-increasing alternative therapies and books such as written by Deepak Chopra and Dr. Andrew Weil, have contributed enormously to the shift in consciousness we see in the world, to the point where doctors and hospitals are sitting up and taking notice.

But once you have heard Dr. Hamer lecture or seen him at a seminar, read his books and had access to his Disease Chart, you understand that finally someone has made all the links, found all those connections that were missing.

Over time, it is hoped that the work may be explained in ways that "any intelligent person with no special training" can understand. There is much yet to be done. We hope that these pages will bring you some comfort and optimism.''

http://www.newmedicine.ca/german-new-medicine.php

whitelight-

exbrnxgrl

And your prejudice is based on what? The prejudiced views of one jealous man.

You do not, it seems, understand the British sense of humour nor the very very deadly and dangerous situation that we, in Europe, find ourselves in at this time.

The humour is that I as a Brexiteer am called a Gammon and much much worse by those that we, in turn, call Remoaners - Remoaners gave us the title of Brexiteers too btw .... it is a war of words which has been practiced by us for well over one thousand years, making fun of ourselves is a very British practice .... What I said was tongue in cheek but never mind ....... why should I expect you to understand our culture or the humour which goes with what is left of it? Lol my goodness I could now accuse you of attacking my own ethnicity by criticising my cultural practice of laughter - mmmmm what would that make you pet? Anti - Limey/Pom/Sassenach?

Peregrinelady

Please let us know how you are doing a year from now with no surgery and no treatment. I am not being mean spirited. I really would like to know how this goes for you. There is a thread for people refusing treatment. You should check it out.

whitelight-

Peregrinelady

I shall. I shall keep this link and put a date one yr from now in my diary.

xxx