More Evidence to Link Between Risk and Drinking Alcohol

muska

Great explanation, Beesie. Thanks.

Traveltext

Yes, thanks Beesie. Notice there were no men in that study. It's too bad that they do hardly any research on men and breast cancer. I mean, how hard would it have been to follow some men for this particular research project?

Bluebirdgirl

Yes, thank you, Beesie, for your input. It puts things in perspective.

Wildplaces

Thank you Beesie - clever and well put indeed.

I am not fond of meta analysis of cohort studies - and I am struggling to work out why the top end of the dose response curve was not reported - ie if you drink five or ten glasses of wine a day what is your increased risk ?

Probably the most disconcerting thing for me remains we are busy measuring women waist hip ratio, ok and BMI 😉- but not a word about the widespread use of pesticides - or what areif any benefits of organic over nonorganic foods?

Simply put - am I being poisoned by my salad and tomato sandwich while I drink my half a glass of red wine, that may have a small carcinogenic effect...

AnimalCrackers

Thanks Beesie!  Your explanations are very clear. 

sbelizabeth

Wildplaces, you and I can supply the statistics for the top end of the dose response curve. C'mon over and we'll each have ten glasses of wine a night for a while. N = 2.

We probably won't get to the stats reporting part but we won't care.

Momine

Wildplaces, thanks! I will take my chances. Besides, the cancer is likely to kill me before osteoporosis becomes a serious problem for me

ChiSandy

We are also being poisoned by the linings of our food cans, our personal care products (unless we are vigilant about reading labels and willing to pay higher prices) and even our cash register receipts. And before anyone knew about BGH, phthalates & bPAs, we were poisoned for years by non-organic dairy products, our water bottles (both personal and the ones which contained commercially bottled water), soda bottles, soda straws, plastic wrap, baby bottles & liners, even teething toys—all these things (including the parabens in those shampoos, lotions and sunscreens) are endocrine disruptors that mimic estrogen. No wonder kids hit puberty earlier these days!

Traveltext

"No wonder kids hit puberty earlier these days!"

And early puberty is one of the risks for guess what.

Wildplaces

sbelizabeth happy to come over - thank you!! Still I would be snoozing under the table by the third glass.😱

I love red wine - my grandfather made the stuff so I was always around grapes and vines but I don't drink that much - boring nerd I know.

I objected because in terms of carcinogens I don't think a glass of red wine a day scores solid - we are exposed to much more concerning agents daily in subtle ways - THANK YOU ChiSandy !!!

Placing emphasis on something emotional/sensational as a glass of wine a day can cause breast cancer ( horror - you can see the headlines) can shift attention/focus away from the REAL BEASTS - the incidence of BC is on the rise together with a few other cancers, pancreatic comes to mind - so my darling epidemiologists - is it my glass of wine at dinner or the fact that my sliced bread loaf takes over a week to go mouldy or that my potatoes no longer bud over time - seriously I had to outsource potatoes for a veg garden, none of the supermarket ones buddded ...Or that apples seem to have taken on giant proportions,

I live in Australia - surely we have land and some water😊 why do my blueberries come from Chilli ( great mountains in that countr I agree!) and why does a pack of frozen chips sell at half the price as fresh potatoes...

Rant over - apologies to all who have had to scroll through this message.

Hugs to all

Wildplaces

Momine,

If you take a VitD support and calcium and have some form of regular weight bearing exercise - walking and a few weight repetitions in your weekly routine you can absolutely enjoy your morning or earlyafternoon coffee (I have bought better coffee since diagnosis - funnily I I drink less and enjoy it more😊- well I don't really know whether it's better, but it is more expensive)

What data is out there shows caffeine having a mild calciuric effect - fancy word for "calcium in pipi" - with age that renal loss is harder to compensate for, and this could predispose to osteoporosis.

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/8360789

The greates risk for bone loss are AIs - and what we do to protect ourselves crosses over.

Claire_in_Seattle

I don't know. The people at the vineyard tasting room where I camped Saturday did both exercise and weren't there for the bottled water! I had cycled 37 miles and someone else had hiked 12 miles. It was hot and I was covered with dust and bicycle grease.

The wine was delightful and so was the company. Slept very well in my tent and awakened to the most delicious early morning.

One thing I decided post treatment was that life is for the living and I am blessed to have a rich and full life. I use the good china, light gorgeous candles, make myself fabulous meals, and drink good wine. I hike, cycle, walk, run, ski, and swim. Just last week, I gathered some oyster mushrooms during my run and made a mushroom-potato filling for an omelet which I had with salad....and yes, wine.

Back to wine. It's one of life's great pleasures and always an adventure. The winemaker has outdone himself this year, with the new Malbec (both red and rosé). I was quaffing Semillon, perfect for the end of a hot day. - Claire

ChiSandy

YES—use the “good” silver, china & crystal! Life is short and we ought to delight the senses while we still can.

Traveltext

Very eloquent and evocative post Claire. And a good plan for living past bc. I wonder if BCO would tolerate a wine appreciation thread!

ChiSandy

Eric, check out the thread titled “How about drinking?” About half the posters are Stage IV &/or ER- and under no admonition to teetotal, but there’s lots of virtual liquid refreshment. One posts a Drink of the Day, or DOTD, which is usually a cocktail (with the recipe of course). I’m one of the oenophiles (defined as a wino with a credit card).

Wildplaces

Claire in Seattle,

You've got us - we are ALL coming over for that glass of Malbec😊

Spot on post for me

Meow13

yes, I believe in using my nice china and pretty glasses. Treating yourself is better than punishing yourself. We didn't do anything to deserve or cause our cancer. Do what makes you happy, just don't over do.

I am going to start spending more money on myself too. Something I wouldn't do before, I think it was my New England upbringing.

Traveltext

Good on you Meow. Wildplaces, I'll be in that trip.

ChiSandy, they are a fun bunch. Glad you've got a spot there as a resident oenophile. But I caught sight of the recon pics on page 1761 of that thread, and that was a real eye-opener. Will never complain about not being offered recon again!

Anyway, here's a nice pic for this thread.

Meow13

traveltext, love it.

sbelizabeth

Traveltext, I'll admit it. I went to page 1761 to have a look at the recon pics. Whoa. A lot of us endure recon, and fortunately, not many of us experience that difficult an experience.

I live in Southern California. When spring arrives (in February) it's like we haven't suffered enough to deserve it. There are seasonal changes here, but you have to pay attention to notice them.

Nice place to appreciate good wine, though!

Traveltext

After page 1761, I thought we all needed a cheer up, hence the Moet.

sbelizabeth. There's something about seasonal changes which is reassuring, but extremes don't sit well with me. That's why I'm living at Lat 25 South. We need to know the month to know the season!

Wildplaces

Ohhh gosh... love the picture - something wildly extravagant about champagne on ice.

And as you are in my corner of the woods - if you come along it - try a bottle of Ruinart Blanc de Blanc 😊🍸

Thank you for posting.

It certainly made me smile.

ChiSandy

Which Moet comes in a gilded bottle? Looks yummy. Sorry abt. the recon pix, but the poster had a horrendous experience and so the mods aren’t enforcing the “no photos” rule in her case.

sbelizabeth

The photos are unabashed and tell a necessary story. The woman wasn't diagnosed with pretty pink breast cancer and lucked into free surgery for new, perky boobs. The suffering that accompanies breast cancer is real, and it's not anything like the bedazzled lacy bras that appear every October. I appreciate her honesty and willingness to share.

Meow13

I saw the pictures. Holy moley, if I had seen them before I did my DIEP I would not have done it. I guess I was lucky.

Traveltext

Meow, knowing you had the flap op, I was hoping you wouldn't check out that page. But you likely had a more normal result than a lucky result. Anyway, celebrate with a bottle from the bathtub!

Wildplaces, Ruinart Blanc de Blanc is a hundred bucks a bottle, so I'll have to take your word for its quality

sbelizabeth, your comment is so spot on. More on Pinktober HERE.

sbelizabeth

I had DIEP and it went like clockwork, thank you Jesus. I had some issues with follow-up surgeries and cellulitis in the radiated tissues of my chest, but nothing that IV antibiotics didn't cover. There are risks with ANY surgery. Even after looking at the kindly-shared photos of a difficult recovery, I would do it again. It's healing and hopeful to have something to put in a bra, even if it's a slab of my abdominal fat.

If we ALL throw in a few bucks we can afford a bottle the Ruinart and share.

I have two sisters. One of them had IBC in 2012 and is doing very well. The other is finished with her chemo and having a mx tomorrow. I have a special hatred for this disease. Let's find a cure.

Meow13

I had a beautiful recovery and results were great. You wouldn't even know I had reconstruction except there is a large noticable line on abdomen but below bikini line. I wish everyone well on their journey to recovery.

Just had a glass of chardonnay with a small (100 calorie) ice cream cone. Living dangerously but worth it.

sbelizabeth

Meow, my DIEP on the cancer side was delayed and the scarring was necessarily more noticeable than an immediate--is that what you had? My radiation oncologist asked me to not reconstruct or place an expander before rads. I was OK with that.

Traveltext, enormous kudos to you for hanging in there with us. I'm so happy to have a man's perspective on this whole fandango. I can't imagine what it must mean for a man who had breast cancer. You must feel pretty alone at times. A woman doesn't have a prostate. Both men and women have breasts, but it's a "woman's" cancer. You're a hero. Seriously.

Meow13

My DIEP left side was done 4 to 5 months later. I didn't have radiation just AI drugs.