Brocolis increase survival, but mor efficient if not deepfrozen

alain23

Hi,

I read interesting studies by SaverPro">regarding cruciferous vegetables (like brocolis, Brussel sprouts, and so on), and cancer. In these studies, they show the following effects (thanks to isothiocyanates and other substances) :

- Decreasing cancer rate (also for people who has no cancer = prevention)

- Increasing survival amoung cancer patients (62% in a study)

- In some studies, cruciferous vegetables increases the efficacy of chemotherapy

Important : Cruciferous vegetables were more effective than many other foodstufs in these studies.

Here is something very important I also read these vegetables are much more efficient if we add other foodstufs that have interesting properties like ),brocoli sprouts, radish because it helps to cross the intestinal barrier.

This is very important to add these foods to cruciferous vegetables because with this simple method whe make sure to have an efficient action for all the body (thanks to the fact that it helps to cross the intestinal barrier)

Brocoli sprouts contains 50 times more isothiocyianates than broccoli.

But I am not a doctor and I don't know anything regarding precautions during cancer treatment (regarding food in general and regarding food I speak in this message) I imagine it depends on the kind of cancer, kind of treatment, and so on. But for each situation I don't know if there are precaution and i ey which ones. I repeat I am not a doctor ;-) I also read that there are some food precautions if you had a surgery of the digestive system but I don^t know which ones.

I don't know which kind(s) of cruciferous vegetables is/are the most efficient against cancer. Myabe it dépends on the kind of cancer.

. For people who have a cancer treatment, a cancer or a surgery of the digestive system , ask your oncologist regarding curciferous vegetables (and the products I spoked about in my post). Ask if it's ok to consume them and if yes in which quantity. BUT ASK AS SOON AS POSSIBLE IN ORDER TO TAKE BENEFIT OF THESE VEGETABLES AS SOON AS POSSIBLE. It's important if it increases your survival.

It's also important to work with a registered dietitian that knows well oncology, these 2 specialists have to work together.

Ask your oncologist to find you a good registered dietitian who knows well oncology. This ist important beacuse many studies showed an increased survival and thanks to the advises of a reg. dietitian. (before , during and on the long term going after the treatment). The name of this kind of specialist can vary from a country to another, that's why it's good to ask your oncologist the name of the most efficient kind of nutrition specialist for your situation

And of course, if our imune system is weak, I read there are some precautions to take (for instance cooking the foods that could give infections if consumed raw). I don't know what is the best way to cook the vegetables in order to preserve the most their properties and to kill the bacteries. I have been told we have to avoid to put the food in contact with plastic pieces during the cooking because it can put toxical substances in it. Finally I also read taht once the imune sistem is ok again, the situation is different. Some foods have more anticancer properties if eaten raw, some other cooked (but we must avoid cookind methods that destroy the anticancer properties of the food). And for some it is advised to consume them both raw and cooked because each one has its advantages.

WE MUST ALSO AVOID TO BUY THESE VEGETABLES DEEP FROZEN BECAUSE THEY ALSO LOOSE THEIR PROPERTIES (the industrial process to deep-froze them make them loose a great part of their properties, in any case at the time I posted my message).

Remark : When I write it's better to avoid to buy cruciferous vegetables deep frozen, I read it can be different for some other food as cruciferous vegetables I read they can keep more nutriments if they are industrially frozen.

Another very important information : In the studies I read it's very efficient from a certain amount of servings a week incuded in a healthy and balanced nutrition.

If you take blood thinning medications like warfarin, ask your medical team how to consume cruciferous vegetables because they contain vitamin K that change (decrease) the effectiveness of these drugs. Also ask about other foodstufs that contains vitamin K. But I don't mean to say that people who take blood thinning medications must avoid cruciferous vegetables, just that they have to ask their medical team how to consume them. Ask as soon as possible in order to take advantage of these vegetables as soon as possible.. Usually I think that if we have to ask our doctors, i'ts much better to ask as soon as possible.

And of course if you are pregnant or breastfeeding I read you have to ask your doctor which food you must avoid (for instance horseradish must be avoided during pregnancy and lactation. I also read wasabi must be avoided but anyway we can't eat sushis or food like that durang pregancy and breast feeding. I know, this is a totaly different subject that has nothing to do with the subject of my present message but my sister is pregnant, that's why I know this. And this was an opportunity to share good news ;-)

Ok, I wanted to say that I am not a doctor and the content of this message is not a medical advise but I wanted to talk about a subject that I find interesting.(Furthermore the data can evolve with the time)

I realise that I spoke of possible precautions (because I am not a doctor and I prefere to be prudent) in my message but it doesn't have to make us forget that these vegetables are very very healthy in the very very great majority of situation.

Have a nice day

PS : sorry for my english, it's not my native language

Al

new_direction

Hi i've read that broccoli has to be steamed for about one minute - that should increase the healthy substances...

lightandwind

I think the broccoli sprouts have a much higher content of suphorphane than broccoli, and they also have an enzyme called myronase that makes them more potent than broccoli. They have been studied and it is said that they kill bc stem cells. If you have a good organic store near you, they may carry them fresh. I haven't had the best luck trying to grow them. I take suphorphane in supplement form. 

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/20388854

http://www.hopkinsbreastcenter.org/artemis/201006/...

http://www.phytochemicals.info/plants/broccoli/ant...

new_direction

I have had success using this one http://www.amazon.co.uk/Being-Fare-Shelf-Salad-Sprouter/dp/B007PZJLXK/ref=sr_1_5?ie=UTF8&qid=1390811474&sr=8-5&keywords=sprouter
There are many organic seeds for sprouting on that site as well.

Do they contain proportionally more healthy substances to compensate for the much smaller amount you eat of the sprouts, I wonder?

hopefour

I am not one to give too much advise, but did one to share that I grow organic broccoli sprouts. I tried using a mason jar and draining the sprouts through a strainer, but found that using a spouter I bought off amazon was way easier. Its the soaking and draining that is made easier for me with my Easysprout.  I have four so each day I am eating the sprouts of one spouter. Anyway I just wanted to encourage you to keep trying to grow your own ORGANIC broccoli sprouts as there is so many studies supporting their value in the fight with BC. 

There is a BCO sister that has a blog called..denise4health.info...on it she shares about the findings of Johns Hopkins...there is a short video showing the effects of sprouts on BC and how much you need to eat. I do at least a cup a day..I add it to my smoothie as well as eat it in salads. One ounce of sprouts contains 30-50 times more sulfurphane than mature broccoli does. You may also be interested in the BRASSICA Green Tea ( I get orange flavor added). Its patented by Johns Hopkins and has SGS broccoli seed extract in the green tea. I also juice mature broccoli as well as eat it in soups and such! Hope growing your own sprouts goes well for you!

lightandwind

Hopefour, Thanks, I'm going to try growing the sprouts again..and juicing mature broccoli seems like a good idea too. Appreciate the info!

new_direction

hopefour thanks for the information
oh by the way; i've bought broccoli sprout extract as capsules as well. I would think they are best when grown and eaten fresh but it might be an idea when going on vacation etc.

hopefour

welcome lightandwind..and thank you for the many times you share info!

Thank you new direction for the tip on broccoli sprout capsules..I will for sure look into that!  If you're comfortable sharing a brand you trust that would be great, but I will research and see what I find!! 

new_direction

I have bought this one but haven't really researched it. Now I see a bad review of it about someone who got ill using one of their other products, so if you decide to research and come up with a good brand I would like to know
http://www.amazon.co.uk/Broccoli-Sprouts-Extract-60-Tablets/dp/B005P0XM64/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1391782817&sr=8-1&keywords=broccoli+sprout+extract
(must say though I haven't had any problems using it, and I think I've taken 5x60 caps or so)...

hopefour

I am not very savvy with the computer therefore can't do links. For this reason I don't offer much in the way of advice as I can't back it with the links. But, I will share that the BRASSICA tea I use, patented by Johns Hopkins, has 15mg of SGS broccoli seed extract in each cup after steeping 2mins in 175 degree hot water. I also take the Triple Action Cruciferous Vegetable Extract from Life Extensions...but am not saying this is the best. It has watercress, cabbage and broccoli extract as well as a few other things. 

In the book Anti Cancer..new way of Life, David Schreiber, MD, PhD states, in the acknowledgement section of the book, that Jeanne Wallace ,PhD nutritionist was a source he used to educate himself on supplements and nutrition.( I also have a personal friend Amy who used her for her brain cancer with great success.) I contacted her after my DX and she sent a hand book on supplements and identified brands that were of good quality. I looked in the handbook and she has no listing for Broccoli sprout supplements. She does encourage the company Emerson Ecologics as they are professional brand supplements, but you have to have a code and such to order their. I did look on their sight and there was no broccoli sprout supplements. 

So growing my sprouts and drinking my tea will have to do for me for now, but I'll keep the search and sounds like what your doing is working great for you. Thank you for your info on your broccoli sprout supplement, I think I'll order it and give it a try!

momoschki

My naturopath recommended Broccomax as a reputable broccoli sprout supplement -- available on Amazon.  She told me she thought this was a supplement well worth taking.  I also drink the brassica tea from Johns Hopkins.