Why Radiation is a risk for lymphedema
I did a medical literature review and discovered that whole breast radiation delivers a fair amount of radiation to the level I/II axillary nodes, and a recent article by physicians from Dana Farber, in the journal Oncology stated:
WBI is usually delivered via tangent fields using high-energy x-rays. Forward planning techniques allow addition of sub-fields to optimize dose homogeneity; intensity-modulated radiotherapy (IMRT) is typically not required. Standard tangent fields cover a substantial percentage of level I and II axillary nodes. “High tangent” techniques can be used to treat a greater percentage of the axilla.
(Definitions: WBI=whole breast radiation, tangents are the lines of the radiation fields--specifically the upper limit.)
I developed lymphedema prior to radiation and discovered my tangent was high--at the head of my humerus--and called my rad onc in a panic and was told that "radiation to the level I/II nodes never causes lymphedema" That's just not true.
I posted the details and some images on the LE thread, and would suggest that any women with node negative cancer discuss how much radiation to the axilla is anticipated with their radiation planning.
Unfortunately, radiated lymph nodes don't recover, if they get a full dose of radiation.
Each woman gets an individualized plan, and should know the full details.
http://community.breastcancer.org/forum/64/topic/793591?page=1#idx_1 This is the link to the post on the lymphedema thread.
Clearly, radiation decreases recurrence, and I made a decision to pursue breast conservation, but I wish I'd been fully informed and a partner in the decision making and my radiation oncologist had bothered to read the literature.
Recent letter to the editor in the NE Journal about prone positioning at NYU and how it takes the heart and lungs--and to my view--axillary nodes--out of the field.
Kira
Comments
-
Kira,
Thank you for this information.
I have chronic lymphedema in my right lower leg, have since an accident at age 12. At times it has been 3+ pitting ( you can imagine how that was in my teen years..in the 80's when medical science ruled out any kidney, liver or heart issues, and had no answer for me!).
I found that rigorous exercise and daily doses of Dandelion (or Milk Thistle ) keeps it at near normal.
However, now I have had a left breast lumpectomy and subsequent sentinel node biopsy, and had to have the area drained because it was enormous after 2 weeks. I have a good sized egg under my arm with an "axillary web" starting next to it.
I was just mapped today for radiation.
I'm so scared it will begin a cycle of lifelong lymphedema in this area, since I seem already predisposed.
I'm 40; I work out regularly with weights and kick boxing but is there anything I should or shouldn't do?
I'm heading to the lymphedema section for advice, just wanted to ask you personally for suggestions (you seem pretty knowledgable!
Thank you!
Amy
-
Amy, sorry for the delay, I didn't see your post.
A few of us from the lymphedema thread started a web site, and we have a page on AWS/axillary web syndrome--which definitely can be made worse by a seroma
http://www.stepup-speakout.org/Cording_and_Axillary_Web_Syndrome.htm
As far as exercise--it's good, but too much can bring on swelling, so you have to be careful not to fatigue yourself--carol57 has the best posts on exercise--when we get lymph nodes removed, seromas, radiation, it reduces our body's ability to handle lymph fluid in that "quadrant"--for lymph drainage the body is divided into 4 parts, like chicken quarters, the upper quadrants are the arm/breast/trunk/back on each side.
Here's a link to risk reduction:
http://www.stepup-speakout.org/riskreduction_for_lymphedema.htm
Some of us have a genetic predisposition to get it, and it's hard to know who we are ahead of time.
If you have lymphedema in your leg, perhaps you have a good lymphedema therapist who can check you out and show you how to do gentle lymph drainage in your arm
http://www.stepup-speakout.org/Finding_a_Qualified_Lymphedema_Therapist.htm
You know, there was no real lymphadema treatment in this country until the last decade or so, it got brought over from Germany. It must have been terrible to manage it as a teen, with essentially no help.
Please come over to the lymphedema thread (the group no one wants to join, believe me), because forewarned is forearmed.
Kira
Categories
- All Categories
- 679 Advocacy and Fund-Raising
- 289 Advocacy
- 68 I've Donated to Breastcancer.org in honor of....
- Test
- 322 Walks, Runs and Fundraising Events for Breastcancer.org
- 5.6K Community Connections
- 282 Middle Age 40-60(ish) Years Old With Breast Cancer
- 53 Australians and New Zealanders Affected by Breast Cancer
- 208 Black Women or Men With Breast Cancer
- 684 Canadians Affected by Breast Cancer
- 1.5K Caring for Someone with Breast cancer
- 455 Caring for Someone with Stage IV or Mets
- 260 High Risk of Recurrence or Second Breast Cancer
- 22 International, Non-English Speakers With Breast Cancer
- 16 Latinas/Hispanics With Breast Cancer
- 189 LGBTQA+ With Breast Cancer
- 152 May Their Memory Live On
- 85 Member Matchup & Virtual Support Meetups
- 375 Members by Location
- 291 Older Than 60 Years Old With Breast Cancer
- 177 Singles With Breast Cancer
- 869 Young With Breast Cancer
- 50.4K Connecting With Others Who Have a Similar Diagnosis
- 204 Breast Cancer with Another Diagnosis or Comorbidity
- 4K DCIS (Ductal Carcinoma In Situ)
- 79 DCIS plus HER2-positive Microinvasion
- 529 Genetic Testing
- 2.2K HER2+ (Positive) Breast Cancer
- 1.5K IBC (Inflammatory Breast Cancer)
- 3.4K IDC (Invasive Ductal Carcinoma)
- 1.5K ILC (Invasive Lobular Carcinoma)
- 999 Just Diagnosed With a Recurrence or Metastasis
- 652 LCIS (Lobular Carcinoma In Situ)
- 193 Less Common Types of Breast Cancer
- 252 Male Breast Cancer
- 86 Mixed Type Breast Cancer
- 3.1K Not Diagnosed With a Recurrence or Metastases but Concerned
- 189 Palliative Therapy/Hospice Care
- 488 Second or Third Breast Cancer
- 1.2K Stage I Breast Cancer
- 313 Stage II Breast Cancer
- 3.8K Stage III Breast Cancer
- 2.5K Triple-Negative Breast Cancer
- 13.1K Day-to-Day Matters
- 132 All things COVID-19 or coronavirus
- 87 BCO Free-Cycle: Give or Trade Items Related to Breast Cancer
- 5.9K Clinical Trials, Research News, Podcasts, and Study Results
- 86 Coping with Holidays, Special Days and Anniversaries
- 828 Employment, Insurance, and Other Financial Issues
- 101 Family and Family Planning Matters
- Family Issues for Those Who Have Breast Cancer
- 26 Furry friends
- 1.8K Humor and Games
- 1.6K Mental Health: Because Cancer Doesn't Just Affect Your Breasts
- 706 Recipe Swap for Healthy Living
- 704 Recommend Your Resources
- 171 Sex & Relationship Matters
- 9 The Political Corner
- 874 Working on Your Fitness
- 4.5K Moving On & Finding Inspiration After Breast Cancer
- 394 Bonded by Breast Cancer
- 3.1K Life After Breast Cancer
- 806 Prayers and Spiritual Support
- 285 Who or What Inspires You?
- 28.7K Not Diagnosed But Concerned
- 1K Benign Breast Conditions
- 2.3K High Risk for Breast Cancer
- 18K Not Diagnosed But Worried
- 7.4K Waiting for Test Results
- 603 Site News and Announcements
- 560 Comments, Suggestions, Feature Requests
- 39 Mod Announcements, Breastcancer.org News, Blog Entries, Podcasts
- 4 Survey, Interview and Participant Requests: Need your Help!
- 61.9K Tests, Treatments & Side Effects
- 586 Alternative Medicine
- 255 Bone Health and Bone Loss
- 11.4K Breast Reconstruction
- 7.9K Chemotherapy - Before, During, and After
- 2.7K Complementary and Holistic Medicine and Treatment
- 775 Diagnosed and Waiting for Test Results
- 7.8K Hormonal Therapy - Before, During, and After
- 50 Immunotherapy - Before, During, and After
- 7.4K Just Diagnosed
- 1.4K Living Without Reconstruction After a Mastectomy
- 5.2K Lymphedema
- 3.6K Managing Side Effects of Breast Cancer and Its Treatment
- 591 Pain
- 3.9K Radiation Therapy - Before, During, and After
- 8.4K Surgery - Before, During, and After
- 109 Welcome to Breastcancer.org
- 98 Acknowledging and honoring our Community
- 11 Info & Resources for New Patients & Members From the Team