Miracle surgery

himalaya

I heard some years ago about one island where  people come from all the world to get special surgery with no knive...they do just with hands and no much blood lost, no psot suregical hronical pain, and very short healing , small wound...please tell me more about that, i cant find in interent those articles anymore.

sweetbean

Himalaya,

I'm sorry, this doesn't sound real.

pupmom

If you want miracles, start praying. If you want to beat your breast cancer have surgery, at a minimum.

himalaya

I know that prayers makes miracles, my friend in SA got up from whealchair  one sunday when 2 thousand people in churche prayed for him.

That was some 15 years ago and he is still biking, walking and  playing golf in age 67...

I know,but here im not speaking about miracles but some special surgery in special place with special people.I dodnt remember or the people  got special powers or the place was specific.

Maybe somebody else will give me a link.

Chickadee

You need to stop kidding yourself and get that cancer out. There are no miracle cures. That nonsense about reaching in and pulling out something without surgery is just that, nonsense. You could do nothing at this point and accomplish the same.



Do you have some phobia or severe anxiety about having a lumpectomy? Time is wasting and your tumor is growing as you have stated. I'm stage IV, do you want to risk becoming stage IV ? You have the best chance of going on with your life now with only a small interruption or you may find yourself dealing with cancer for whatever time you will have left on this earth if this metastasizes.



I apologize if this is too blunt but I'd give anything to have the simple choice you have now and I damn sure wouldn't be grasping at straws.

leggo

Himalaya, I'm really starting to worry about you. I think you may be only seeking out alternative cures that are hoaxes and have been disproven time and time again. Not that I don't think there are alternative methods out there, but this is NOT going to save you. Pursuing alternatives is all fine and good, but not in the way of miracles, faith healing or psychic surgery.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sxMGxz6-oTs

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Psychic_surgery

Your naivety is a little bit frightening, and if these are things your truly believe....I don't know what to say.

camillegal

Himalaya miracles are all around us, but effort hast to be put into it before there is a miracle. Even when u win the lottery, u have to buy a ticket first

So with that in mind, u have to get rid of the cancer first before a miracle can happen. That's u'r resposibility, and it oes from there

Chickadee

There is another possibility we might consider. We are being spammed, spoofed or whatever it's called.



This is just too far out there.

pupmom

Chickadee, that's my guess.

Jomama2

Chickadee -- I think you're right.  Somebody just might be toying with us. But, on the off-chance I'm wrong (or even if I'm right), this person needs to seek professional, psychological help, not to mention seeking immediate medical help if, indeed, she really does have a tumor.  Otherwise, she might want to visit "John of God", the so-called miracle healer in Brazil.

camillegal

I think we all thought of that, but what the heck.

leggo

I don't think so (at least I hope not). Himalaya, I think you're spiralling downward in a pool of being scared, gullible, naive and desperate. Take a couple of days...breathe...research the boards for alternatives that have worked for others. Once you can face reality again, perhaps at the very least, you'll look into proven alternatives or perhaps even consider surgery. There's a reason cancer is everyone's worst fear; it will kill you if you do nothing about it.

ETA: I say she's not screwing with us because my neighbour, a perfectly rational, smart man went to the Phillipines for this psychic surgery. Remember Andy Kaufman? He did it to. Just people grasping at anything to stay alive. Of course, their situations were a little different; they had no other options. Desperation will lead you to believe anything.

suzieq60

Himalaya - please listen to everyone - they are right - there is no miracle way to remove the cancer except by surgery. Did you look for Chillipadi posts about her experience? Please just have the surgery - we do care about you.

Anonymous

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u14JFjF9jBg

rosemary-b

himalaya

Please believe us. That does not work.

suzieq60

Himalaya - I looked for Chillipadi's post and have copied it here. This is what you are possibly facing if you refuse surgery. Apologies to Chilli for reposting this, but this lady needs to read it now.

"Dear Kat and Pat,

Don't mean to burst your bubble, but I turned alternative when I was first diagnosed as Stage 1 a decade ago, and now today I'm Stage 3 with a massive tumor which has broken through the skin and covers my breast, and has just extended to my upper torso and towards my right armpit. It is ulcerating, fungating, oozes fluid like a tap and stinks horribly. In the past 2 years. my oncologists have tried hormonals and chemo but the beast keeps surfacing and growing. Meanwhile, I continued living a very healthy lifestyle (something I've done for more than a decade, which included taking complementary supplements, foods,and trying alternative therapies like the Budwig Protocol (that one made the cancer grow even faster).

I had a lumpectomy at Stage 1, nothing else. My onco then said that chemo wasn't necesaary and I refused Tamoxifen because my DH and I didn't have any kids and wanted a family. Well, the cancer recurred about a year later but I stuck to a purely alternative route. The lump stayed no larger than walniut-sized until about 3 years ago, when it started bleeding. That's when I tried the Budwig Protocol for the following 14 months. During that time, the cancer grew so much that it covered more than half my breast, was lumpy all over, turned a maroon red and bled copiously.

After putting me on just oral chemo and Tamoxifen, tmy first onco managed to reduce the growth to nothing. Normal skin even began to grow back and I could see a breast appearing again. We worked on letting the damaged area shrink and heal further before attempting surgery. Unfortunately, the cancer recurred before that could happen. Sadly, a series of errors happened which delayed treatment for almost 2 months and caused the cancer to spread considerably during that time. The biopsy was delayed for almost 2 weeks. Then the lab got the results wrong, diagnosing me as ER-/ER- and HER2+ when I was still ER+/ER+ and HER2-. Unfortunately, my onco had just quit to join another hospital, so he had no access to my report, so nobody noticed the error until a new onco was assigned to me a few weeks later.

So the cancer re-established itself firmly in my breast, and has been growing ever since. All hormonals don't seem to work for me now, and chemo only causes the tumors to retreat for a while. Surgery would only be palliative and cause me a lot of pain and suffering as a great deal of my chest, upper torso and back would have to cut out. I have been told the cancer will recur anyway, and death was very likely.

I still try to keep up with my healthy lifestyle and diet, plus some supplements. I've done practically every alternative therapy you can think of over the years, and none stopped the cancer. I've just started on a Gemzar and Carboplatin chemo cocktail. It's been two infustions so far (yesterday was the second) and the tumors have shrunk by about 15%. I'm also taking Indian frankincense (Shallaki or Boswellia Serrata) capsules and Middle-Eastern frankincense (Boswellia Carteri) essential oil mixed into my wound dressing. Both are anti-infammatory and anti-tumoral.

Pat and Kat, if I were in your shoes today and had the knowledge and experience I have had, I would seriously consider some conventional treatment, while continuing with a healthy lifestyle and diet. Don't wait until it's too late. You don't want to look the way I look today, and suffer as much as I do everyday.

chillipadi "

exbrnxgrl

Himalaya,

Whether you are real or just punking us, the psychic, bloodless surgery is not for real. There are practitioners of this in the Philipines and they are regularly exposed for what they are, frauds, plain and simple. Nothing wrong with cleaning up your diet and complimentary / alternative medicine, but quackery just preys on the hopes and fears of the ill and desperate. Caryn

chillipadi

Himalaya,

If I could turn back the clock and be in your shoes today, I would have the surgery in a flash. Of course, there's no guarantee that the cancer will not surface again, but there's a good chance that it won't, as the tumor-factory will have been removed.

I'm now doing a Salve program, using black, red and yellow salves and powders made out of Bloodroot and other plant ingredients to boost my immune system, kill the cancer, and remove tumors through botanical 'surgery' from my body. I'm doing this because I have no other choice, as nobody will operate on me, because the tumor is too extensive. The Salve program is working well, and one tumor has already been expelled cleanly from my chest (after just 12 days), while others have imploded and liquefied, and show signs of detaching from the body. To be honest, I wish I had known about this Salve treatment years ago, when the tumor first surfaced and was no larger than an almond. I would have been able to remove the tumor-factory, and any other small tumors which might appear subsequently, botanically then. However, tumors now cover my right breast right down to my upper abdomen, so the Salve process is now very tedious and painful. But I have to stick to it, because I have no other options, and my oncologist informed me almost 3 weeks ago that there's nothing more he can do for me.

Your surgery is relatively simple now, so I would do it, if I were in your shoes. The Salve program works, but it's best done when the lump is no larger than a hazelnut. It might be very painful, though, and it might take more than a month to remove it this way. Imagine suffering pain almost every single day! Forget about the voodoo surgery, which supposedly removes tumors without cutting. I saw that in an old Indiana Jones movie once, where the evil witch doctor removed a heart with just his hands. Fascinating idea, but pure hogwash! Don't wait until you have no other options, Himalaya.

suzieq60

Chillipadi - thankyou for coming here to speak to Himalaya. I hope you're not annoyed I copied your old post for her to read, but I felt she had to know what she faces if she doesn't do the surgery.

I'm so glad the salve is working for you so far. You are a very brave woman.

((((((HUGS))))))

Sue

exbrnxgrl

Chillipadi,

Thank you for the courage, honesty and compassion you displayed in your post to himalaya. Hope your salve tx is going well.

Caryn

chillipadi

Thanks for your kind words, ladies. By the way, I'm no braver than anyone else with cancer. I'm just trying my best to stay alive for those who love me, just like the rest of you. Sue, go ahead and copy my old posts anytime, as long as you do it to try and help someone. I'm glad you did it to try and help Himalaya, before her condition gets worse.

Jennt28

Not going to mince words here... himalaya needs to "suck it up and put her big girl pants on" and go and get this 3cm tumor taken out.



Why did you even bother having a lump checked out to start with if you weren't going to do something about it if it was cancer?



And why do you obviously think that your doctors, with all their years of training, don't know the what best things to do with cancer are?



Jenn

suzieq60

Chillipadi - I do hope things work out for you, it breaks my heart you were fooled by alternative promises. You are very special to share your story with us.

I used to work at an hospital and I was talking to the head oncologist there once - he said that surgery was the most important thing you could do for cancer - I hope Himalaya takes note.

himalaya

thank you gracie , this is what i was looking for.

And thanks to all sisters for all coments, i take every critic and every opinion as a info.

Later i will read the rest of your coments, when i come home.

have a nice day!

himalaya

and ---hi, chilpaddi!

please share your  salvie tx!

Here or in my mailbox!

cp418

http://community.breastcancer.org/forum/121/topic/784575?page=4#idx_120

http://www.blacksalveindonesia.org/PROFibuL.htm

himalaya

Thank you!

The story is nice, im so happy about her!

i wish i could do the same, sounds much better than surgery and postsurgery pains and  mess...

himalaya

Jennt, you ask me why i checked, etc...because i thought its an only way how to deal with lumps--mammogramm, biopsy, surgery chemo, rads, etc....now i see other ways and almost regret that i let them put needles in my breast, harm me with mammogramm...

himalaya

Jennt, you ask me why i checked, etc...because i thought its an only way how to deal with lumps--mammogramm, biopsy, surgery chemo, rads, etc....now i see other ways and almost regret that i let them put needles in my breast, harm me with mammogramm...

himalaya

Chillipadi, i was reading in your other topic about your succesfull  tumor (one of 7?)what is out now.Was is size of hazelnut?

In the website  i saw that tumor was realy big, biger than mine, isnt it?

sweetbean

Himalaya,

Just so you are aware, the treatment that Chillipadi is doing right now is EXTREMELY PAINFUL and it takes a long time to work.   The reason she is doing it is because it is her only option, not because it is alternative.  I'm sure if she could choose something less painful and quicker, then she would do it. 

If you want to try the salve treatment, go ahead, but know that it is very painful.