Very important : Dietician

alain23

Hello,

Here is an interesting information. (Sorry for my English this is not my native language ;-))

Nutrition is very important for cancer patients and many studies show an improvement of many factors (quality of life, immune system, SURVIVAL) thanks to the help of a registered dietitian for cancer patients.

Of course this registered dietitian has to know well oncology and to collaborate with you oncologist .

Ask your oncologist to advise you a good one who knows well oncology. This help increased survival in many studies, so it's important to find one. The name of this kind of specialist can vary from a country to another, that's why it's good to ask your oncologist the name of the most efficient kind of nutrition specialist for your situation.

It's highly advised to collaborate with the dietitian right after the diagnosis.

He will help you, for instance, for the following situation :- He can help us before during and after the treatment .Thanks to his advises you will also be able to eat healthy on the long time going after the end of the treatment, what is also important.

Have a nice day

Al

PS : I WROTE AN IMPORTANT MESSAGE CONCERING ALIMENTATION 5 POSTS UNDER THIS ONE.

alain23

Of course thanks to his advises you will also be able to eat healthy on the long time going after the end fo the treatment.

alain23

 

Hi,

Here is a link of the american cancer society regarding this precautions to take if your immune system is weak :

http://www.cancer.org/Treatment/TreatmentsandSideEffects/PhysicalSideEffects/InfectionsinPeoplewithCancer/infections-in-people-with-cancer

The precautions are at the second part of the page.

They say for instance that we must WASH AND COOK THE FRUITS AND VEGETABLES (1) (what I forgot to say in the last version of my message)

I wrote in one of my former post about steaming (which preserves the properties of the food)

Ask your medical team if it's efficient, and if yes how long we have to steam the food to kill the bacterias. (the time of cooking is also different according to the foods) . Fruits and vegetables are very healthy and it's goot to eat them (but ask your medical tea which ones to consume in your situation because every situation is different) but we just have to eat whash and cook them if our immune system is weak.

But even if your immune system is not weak, you must wash very well (and maybe cook some of them i don't know) all fruits and vegetable (and of course many other foodstufs). We also must whash our hands and kitchen ustensils. Also in this situation (when the immune system is not weak) you must ask your medical team how to get ride of the bacterias and other stuffs we don't want to ingest. (its different from a foodstuff to another).

As I am not a doctor the content of tihis message is not a medical advise, just an information I read. Ask your team (oncologist and registered dietitian who has to know oncology and to collaborate with your oncologist) about what you can eat and how to prerape it. Also ask about other precautions.

Have a nice day and sorry for my english which is not my usual language ;-)

A

alain23

I read that brocoli sprouts contains 50 times more isothiocianates than brocoli himself.

 And we aklways have to peel and wash the fruits and vegetables before eating them in order to avoid infections. If it's not possible to peel them (for instance brocolies and brocoli sprouts) we have to steam them a little while (I read 2 or 3 minutes but you can verify). (but dont' cook them for a long time in water because it will loose its properties)

alain23

If you want to add some food to your diet ask them before. If it's not possible tu eat some foodtuffs that have interesting properties against cancer during the treatment, maybe it's possible to comsume it after or before. Ask them

I ALSO READ IT IS IMPORTANT TO MAINTAIN AN ADEQUATE VITAMIN D LEVEL I YOUR BODY DURING AND AFTER THERAPY (ALSO TO INCREASE SURVIVAL). ASK YOUR TEAM ABOUT TO ANALYSE yOUR VITAMIN D LEVELS AND HOW TO MAINTAIN THE GOOD LEVEL

But I also read it's not good to have a too high level in your body that's why we must ask our medical team

alain23

Your team can also advise you foodstufs with interesting properties against cancer. For instance I read that cruciferous vegetables like brocoli decrease cancer rate (with 5 serving a week)  in epidemiological studies (thanks to isothiothianates and other substances). Brocoli sprouts contains 50 times more isothiocyianates than brocoli. Ask your team (oncologist and registered dietitian) if it's ok to consume brocoli, brocoli sprouts and cruciferous vegetables. Furthermore if your immune system is weak you have to wash and cook brocoli and brocoli sprouts. Steaming is a good way to preserve the properties of the food but avoid plastic food steamers because (or steamer with pieces of plastic in contact with the food) because they can put toxic stuffs in the food.

alain23

Hi,

I read interesting studies regarding cruciferous vegetables (like brocolis, Brussel sprouts, and so on), and cancer. In these studies, they show the following effects (thanks to isothiocyanates and other substances) :

- Decreasing cancer rate (also for people who has no cancer = prevention)

- Increasing survival amoung cancer patients (62% in a study)

- In some studies, cruciferous vegetables increases the efficacy of chemotherapy

Cruciferous vegetables were more effective than many other foodstufs in these studies.

Here is something very important I also read these vegetables are much more efficient if we add other foodstufs that have interesting properties like ),brocoli sprouts, radish because it helps to cross the intestinal barrier.

This is very important to add these foods to cruciferous vegetables because with this simple method whe make sure to have an efficient action for all the body (thanks to the fact that it helps to cross the intestinal barrier)

Brocoli sprouts contains 50 times more isothiocyianates than broccoli.

But I am not a doctor and I don't know anything regarding precautions during cancer treatment (regarding food in general and regarding food I speak in this message) I imagine it depends on the kind of cancer, kind of treatment, and so on. But for each situation I don't know if there are precaution and i ey which ones. I repeat I am not a doctor I also read that there are some food precautions if you had a surgery of the digestive system but I don^t know which ones.

. For people who have a cancer treatment, a cancer or a surgery of the digestive system , ask your oncologist regarding curciferous vegetables (and the products I spoked about in my post). BUT ASK AS SOON AS POSSIBLE IN ORDER TO TAKE BENEFIT OF THESE VEGETABLES AS SOON AS POSSIBLE. It's important if it increases your survival.

And of course, if our imune system is weak, I read there are some precautions to take (for instance cooking the foods that could give infections if consumed raw). I don't know what is the best way to cook the vegetables in order to preserve the most their properties and to kill the bacteries. I have been told we have to avoid to put the food in contact with plastic pieces during the cooking because it can put toxical substances in it. Finally I also read taht once the imune sistem is ok again, the situation is different. Some foods have more anticancer properties if eaten raw, some other cooked (but we must avoid cookind methods that destroy the anticancer properties of the food). And for some it is advised to consume them both raw and cooked because each one has its advantages. But once again, I am not a specialist;-) ask your oncologist regarding the precautions to take if your imune system is weak.

WE MUST ALSO AVOID TO BUY THESE VEGETABLES DEEP FROZEN BECAUSE THEY ALSO LOOSE THEIR PROPERTIES (the industrial process to deep-froze them make them loose a great part of their properties, in any case at the time I posted my message).

Remark : When I write it's better to avoid to buy cruciferous vegetables deep frozen, I read it can be different for some other food as cruciferous vegetables I read they can keep more nutriments if they are industrially frozen.

In the studies I read it's very efficient from a certain amount of servings a week incuded in a healthy and balanced nutrition.

If you take blood thinning medications like warfarin, ask your medical team how to consume cruciferous vegetables because they contain vitamin K that change (decrease) the effectiveness of these drugs. Also ask about other foodstufs that contains vitamin K. But I don't mean to say that people who take blood thinning medications must avoid cruciferous vegetables, just that they have to ask their medical team how to consume them. Ask as soon as possible in order to take advantage of these vegetables as soon as possible. It would be a shame to wait if there is a positive effect regarding survival. Usually I think that if we have to ask our doctors, i'ts much better to ask as soon as possible.

And of course if you are pregnant or breastfeeding I read you have to ask your doctor which food you must avoid (for instance horseradish must be avoided during pregnancy and lactation. I also read wasabi must be avoided but anyway we can't eat sushis or food like that durang pregancy and breast feeding. I know, this is a totaly different subject that has nothing to do with the subject of my present message but my sister is pregnant, that's why I know this. And this was an opportunity to share good news ;-)

Ok, I wanted to say that I am not a doctor and the content of this message is not a medical advise but I wanted to talk about a subject that I find interesting.(Furthermore the data can evolve with the time)

Have a nice day

Al

sweetbean

Alain,

You might want to search on this forum and the Alternative one.  There are several threads going on about nutrition.   

alain23

I wrote a new version of my message (the first on the top) because it was not complete. You can read the noew version

alain23

Your team (oncologist and registered dietitian) can also advise you about physical activity. Ask them advises about physical activity because many studies showed an increased survival thanks to that.