Alcohol, why is it so bad??

mackers67

Hi



I was just wondering I hardly drink anyway but interested, in case I need to start!!! Lol... Is it that alcohol turns to surgar or wine contains hormones??



After reading lots of info on diet, I am slowly coming to the conclusion that it is being overweight and the layers of fat round the belly that contains lots of the hormones as after pregnancy that adds to the problem... Healthy eating of course is great as it controls fat intake...



Does anybody know about the alcohol question?



Xxxx

dawn31337

The liver filters out the alcohol, and the toxins they pump into you with chemo.  It is doing double duty while getting chemo.  I didn't abstain.  Anything in moderation is ok in my book. Cheers.

mackers67

Hi



Tnx for your reply, I just wondered all the studies etc... What part of alcohol or why is it deemed so bad for breast cancer.



Xxx

Annabella58

they are only going by studies, where women who regularly have four or five drinks a week, have been shown to have more bc.

there is speculation that alcohol for some reason raises estrogen levels.

the Oncologist and the nutritionist both told me that two drinks (wine or beer, not Jack daniels ) a week is AOK.

during chemo, yes, abstain.  Your liver is already strained.

there is absolutely no evidence about the sugar controversy.  It has not been shown to mean a thing either way. 

marybast

Alcohol is acidic, cancerous tissues are acidic whereas healthy tissues are alkaline. At a pH slightly above 7.4, cancer cells become dormant. At a pH of 8.5 healthy cells will live but cancer cells will die. Of course, moderation is a healthy attitude. If you have digestive problems, however, especially acid reflux, that means your body is more acidic than alkaline -- that's my situation, so I've eliminated alcohol completely.

Annabella58

mary, do you have a study to back that up?  I'd be really interested to read it, thank you!

hymil

it's bad because it gives you hangovers and the state makes a lot of tax-money from you. Oh, and your car don't respond so well what you clearly told it to do. silly car.

I  guess when you drink too much, you say "Stuff the stupid diet anyhow! " or "So I have cancer, yeah and...???" Part of me thinks they just want to keep us miserable - no smoke, no drink, no chocolate... Do you really live longer, or does it just feel that way? Sorry i got no science for you. "Healthy" eating (eg asparagus LOL) conatins a totally inadequte amount of endorphins, you have to eat chocolate or lie in the sun for ten hours a day, or both, . I'm sure they will soon find exactly what is the mystery element in alcohol.

Anjanita

Just dropping in to mention that beverage alcohol is equivalent.  That is, the amount of alcohol you receive in drinking a glass of wine, a bottle of beer or a shot of whiskey is roughly the same amount of C2H5OH, ethel alcohol.

Why some people think these are different in effect has more to do with the various methods of distilling and the resultant congeners, or ingredients other than alcohol, which result.

Obviously if you drink a shot of whiskey, as opposed to a bottle of beer, you are going to ingest the alcohol faster, but it is the same alcohol - beverage alcohol.

That said, I'm all about moderation when it comes to issues of health.

marybast

Hi anniealso, no I don't have a specific study describing what I wrote about acidity and cancer. One I found says that cancer creates acidity but doesn't feed on it. If you Google research+acidity+cancer you find support for what I said and articles that refute it. One I found says our immune system is compromised when our alkaline/acidity balance is off, and no one argues that healthy immune systems can better fight off cancer. Most will agree that an alkaline diet fights against cancer for all kinds of reasons, whether it has to do with alkalinity or other benefits from all the greens... so.. I extrapolated and decided if I'm going to go wrong, I'll err on the side of caution. I do know I'm happier since I quite drinking alcohol, and I weigh less!

Anjanita

hymil, I'm laughing out loud!  All too true.

mackers67

Hi.



Thx for ur replies, I wasn't really asking should we drink or not.. As if I fancy glass of wine occasionally I have one... It was just with the new 'big' thing abt sugar... is it was from that perspective wine alcohol was deemed to be bad or the eastogen factor?



It's interesting and I'm not talking the odd glass the studies were talking over 3 glasses night where they thought possible link to bc????

Tnx xx

dawn31337

I am triple negative and from what I have read, mine's not related to alcohol.  Or not *as* related to alcohol...whatever.  I like a drink now and then.  I personally believe moderation is key.  I'm not going to stop doing what I want because of a lump in my breast.  Bigger, faster, stronger, louder.  F it, this crap isn't changing me.  That means (to me) the cancer wins.

Laurie08

Dawn-  Standing ovation coming from me!

I like a drink now and then.  I personally believe moderation is key.  I'm not going to stop doing what I want because of a lump in my breast.  Bigger, faster, stronger, louder.  F it, this crap isn't changing me.  That means (to me) the cancer wins.

Anonymous

First time i hear "+" is related to alcohol. Do u mind sharing

ur source. Txs

mackers67

Hi



As I said i wasn't really asking should we drink, but just the question is it the Er+ situation, as in we are advised not to have flax seed. Or was it the sugar side if it that has made alcohol topical with regards breast cancer.



I don't think alcohol causes breast cancer and everyone should do exactly as they like, but I was wondering from purely the theory point of view.?



Love xxxx

marybast

I'm all for moderation and would have a glass of wine with dinner if I weren't trying to heal acid reflux, but my body is already acidic and I want a stronger immune system. Also, I was having a cocktail AND a glass or two of wine, so I wasn't really a moderate drinker. Yay for all who thumb their noses at cancer.

Anonymous

Hi Mackers, I should have been more precise, I was

asking Dawn about her statement.



Probably the sugar, the alcohol plus all the chemicals

ie in wine are the culprits

dlb823

I was somewhat undecided about drinking wine until I read this:

http://www.breastcancer.org/risk/new_research/20100824b.jsp 

UCLA (where I had a lot of my tx) suggests limiting alcohol to special occasions and then going lightly -- like one glass of wine.  I've never cared much for beer, but now if I'm out and feel like a drink, I might order the lightest beer that's available.  But, as others have said, we each have to decide what we're willing to give up, and if alcohol isn't one of them, then maybe eliminate some other known risk factors -- unless you subscribe to the "we have absolutely no control and it's a total crap shoot theory," which I personally don't.     Deanna

IllinoisNancy

Do any of you know if NA beer is ok?  Now that summer is just around the corner, I would like to have a couple of these when the family is out on the lake.  I have never liked pop and sometimes water is boring.

Thanks,

Nancy

msphil

I believe that alchohol can make matters worse while going through treatment, I wanted to give myself the best possible chance of making it, doing all the healthy things I could, the studies I read said that is not good for cancer patients but o each its own,  msphil (idc, stage2, 0/3 nodes, L mast, chemo and rads and 5 yrs on Tamoxifen) and Praise God I am a 18 yr Survivor) 

Racy

Msphil, have you drunk alcohol after treatment?

sweetbean

I don't drink at all.  One of my oncologists said it was really risky for any cancer patient to drink.

camillegal

I'm certainy not advocating drinking, but I do know I was brought up drinking a glass of red wine everynite after dinner--if we wanted it. And all of my life wine was around, my sister stil drinks her wine every nite with mets for 5 yrs now, my dad was 96 and my mom who dealt with cancer and alot of problems was 88 and til the end they drank their wine.???? Occasionally I have a glass of red wine but not often, but my sister feels better than Ido so who knows.