INSOMNIACS place to talk in the wee hours

Egads007

Junie - Holy comprehensive post Batman! Excellent info to follow, especially those that are suffering the slings and arrows of colon woes!

Sas - my DH roared laughing at the 'coach egads' title and said "please give those nice women my condolences, they don't know what they're in for". Yeah, I'm a bit of a fan of it....you good folks can tell me to can it if I get over excited lol!! As for being a star (he laughed even harder, bugger) I'm not so sure of....closer to a fizzling meteor lol! Anyhoodle, THANK YOU SO MUCH for the indexing info, it will be so valuable in getting the whole thread useful on a going forward basis! 40-50 pages on poop? Who'd a thunk? Lol. I'll probably be hitting you up for help at first if that is ok by you

8 lb loss on paleo! Look at you go! It is truly amazing isn't it? I'm excited too! I'll get started tomorrow on rough drafting the bones of the thread! Here we go!!

sas-schatzi

Egads Hahaha. Love a diet that allows Chocolate. I will help for sure. Once you get set up I'll locate the microbiome studies that lead me to paleo. I thought it quite amazing.

Update on Shepkitty: The fire started in the bedroom from an electrical short in the ceiling fan. That short set the attic insulation on fire. The direct fire damage is in several rooms with heavy smoke damage through out. Had only minutes to get out. The cat got out and then went back in, but they were successful getting Miss Pris out. Elly hid, getting her out was more difficult. A neighbor is helping them out with the furbabies. Elly's eaars got singed and smoke inhalation, otherwise okay. Miss Pris smells smoky still, but appears no other problems.

Shep's very thankful for the Red Cross, they worked out getting their medications, food, pre paid debit card to be used at will, toiletries, seems to me some clothes. Neighbors helping too. The Insurance company doesn't want them taking any clothing out of the house, so, neighbors and Red Cross's debit card is putting clothes on their backs and shoes on their feet.

I asked her permission about updating you all, she said to do that. I asked for permission to give her address out in case someone wanted to send money. She said I could give her address out. PM me if you would like her address.

They are overwhelmed, but very happy that no one was hurt. She's very thankful for the kind thoughts

JunieB

Sas - Thank you so much for the update on ShepKitty! Is she up to any texts?

As I said earlier, I had an appt. with the dentist today. It appears that a tooth that has been hurting intermittently has a crack and I have to get a crown. Why oh why this kind of crown? Why not one with diamonds and rubies?

This one would work just fine!

sas-schatzi

Oh Junie, yes the jeweled crown would be so much better. Yes, texting to Shepkitty is good. I said I would wait for calls b/c I know they are in updated with calling out and in, and I would update here after her calls. So, texting to her is great, perhaps a return, perhaps not. I had another friend go through aa housefire. The first couple of weeks were horrible, then it settled into a very strange different bad thing. Day to day rebuilding.

feelingfeline

Ha Junie, love your choice of crown.

masonsmawmaw

Friends-

I was just informed that Bluebird (Diane) passed away yesterday. So sorry to be the bearer of more sad news....

Loveroflife

Thank you Masonsmawmaw for letting us know about Diane. Fly high Bluebird.

Loveroflife

Junie, love the crown! I don’t like to visit the dentist either. Thanks for the info on Paleo. I think it’s best to text Shep rather than call to free the phone line for more important calls.

Egads, thank you for considering starting the thread on Paleo diet. Here is another person with stomach issues. It’s going to take a lot of discipline for me to follow the diet, but the thought of possibly having no more pfft is tantalizing. We won’t turn into cave people, will we?

Loveroflife

JNC, DD came home on a Friday a few weeks ago from her swim competition ok until after she had dinner. She threw up her dinner about an hour after. Decided to go to bed thinking that maybe she came down with something. We went in to check on her and she complained of being cold along with pain near her sternum. Also the pain made it hard for her to breathe so she hyperventilated. That in turn caused her to have muscle spasms in both her legs and hands (imbalance in CO2 and oxygen in blood). They gave her iv fluid along with Toradol (for pain) and Zofran (for nausea). She felt better and everything seemed fine until Sunday morning when she fainted right after using the restroom. She is supposed to get an echocardiogram this Friday but postponed it to June so she can fly down to Southern Cal to visit a friend who is going through some tough time ( he just recently came out of the closet). I was upset at her for postponing her appointment initially, but couldn't stay upset long for she is doing something out of love for her friend. How can I be upset at her for putting others first? Anyway, it's not like it's urgent to have an echocardiogram done right away. So far she had not had similar episode. I hope it was over exhaustion and stress from competing. My younger sister, her auntie, does have postural orthostatic tachycardia and mom had an enlarged heart when she was pregnant with one of my siblings...so who knows.

queenmomcat

Junie: I'll take that crown too. I've had two in rapid succession.

Shepkitty: oof. hoping you put life back together.

I'm enjoying tutoring through [local community college] almost as much as my classes.

CeliaC

Will miss Bluebird's spirit here - long may she fly in the hereafter.

JunieB

I am so sorry to hear about Bluebirds' passing. I enjoyed her skunk and Newfie stories.

Queenie - 2 crowns? Wow! My last one was back in 2006 and I seem to remember I spent a long time in the chair getting it done. Then a week or two after getting the crown I had to have a root canal in the same tooth. One would think that it should have been the other way around. Oh well.

So glad to hear that you are enjoying your classes and the tutoring.

Today my movie buddy and I went to see a very silly movie, but it was funny and just the ticket. It's called "Show Dogs" There was scene in Las Vegas that was filmed at the Fremont Street Experience, where the dogs got to fly on a Zip-line through the venue. I said, "I wanna do that!" I spent 15 years in Vegas and don't miss it, but that Zip-line looked fun.

Ok, I am off to the shower then to bed to continue reading the book I started yesterday evening. So goodnight dear ladies and I hope you all rest well!

feelingfeline

So sorry to hear of the loss of Bluebird and sincere condolences to all who loved her. May she be happy in paradise forever.

Eeyore07

Very sad to the loss of Bluebird. Hope she was united with her favorite skunkies!

Egads007

Bluebird's passing hit hard yesterday. That lovely lady was one of the first members to respond to my posts. Amazing strength of spirit while enduring so much. Reading her last post in 'inspirational stories' yesterday made me feel better. I can only hope, under the same circumstances that I would carry myself with the grace she did. She earned her angel wings, and more.

Egads007

Sas, JunieB, Loveroflife, and anyone else interested - I've been working on the Paleo thread and there is A LOT of info I'm trying to trim down to a simple, easy to follow 'guide/FAQ' type deal. Who needs complicated? I sure don't! I appreciate your patience, please know I'm working to make it easy & fun (gots' ta' have me sum fun!) In the meantime I have seen a few of you post about wanting to end the tummy issues/lose weight, but are understandably unsure of being able to commit to the diet because it seems restrictive, especially in the wheat/pasta dept. I was too. I passed over Paleo for 3 years saying "are they crazy?? No bread, pasta??" "Those people are freaks! that's not healthy!!". It was out of sheer desperation to lose what seemed like 4 million extra pounds and having exhausted all other regimes that I said, "ok, I want to see my feet when I look down, I'd give this paleo thing a try". So yeah, I absolutely understand any commitment concerns. All I can tell you is that this isn't as hard as it appears, given time, it does get easier (especially if you see pounds drop and bowels heal). Give yourself, your weight and your bowels a small challenge, try it for the next week to 10 days, no need to commit, consider it a lark. Here's a few tips to get going and until the thread is done:

Short tips:

(See JunieB's awesomely comprehensive post above for more detail) If you're following closely to the food, don't count calories, count carbs and keep them between 50-100 gr per day max (complex carbs, no simple sugar).

Basic: No wheat (of any sort), white sugar, grains, legumes, processed foods, and keep dairy to an absolute minimum if you're casein or lactose sensitive. Those that aren't, use full fat dairy only and hard cheese is optimal if you indulge. Protein, with every meal. Healthy oils only, don't be afraid of them. Nuts.....stick to almonds for now, but go easy on em', they pack a helluva lot of calories and while we don't count calories, we still have to be somewhat mindful of how much we're putting away. Nut overindulgence is a large cause of paleo peeps not losing weight. Keep in mind they tend to flare bowel issues when eaten in large quantities (Walnuts are the worst for flares). A small handful per day is plenty as a snack. Snack on leftovers instead (even better). If you're hungry...eat. (real hunger, not bored hungry, you know the difference i'm sure) Veggies. You can't eat enough....well except for starchy tubers, easy on those but do enjoy in regulated quantity (you'll know by your carb count). Stay active! Your activity is vital. No you don't have to enter a marathon. Walking at a normal pace is just fine for now if it's all you can manage, just get moving! Weigh yourself daily (to test the waters).

Expect: Possible constipation. Yes I said constipation! Some of you will rejoice! I did! Bowel issues are no joke. I had no idea my ulcerative colitis would disappear along with my waistline, but that's a pretty awesome SE if you ask me!! If you don't rejoice in constipation add a couple of tablespoons of psyllium husk to your foods (salad dressings, soups, stews, anything you can get it added to) , or have 2-3 dates or figs as a treat (careful sweet toothers! figs and dates are easy to over-do) This isn't actually constipation in the real sense of the word, we'll get into the poo aspect once the thread is done. Ew.

Expect: A possible sluggish/kind-of-but-not-really yucky feeling, possible mild headache, possible huge cravings for the bad stuff....it's called the Carb Flu (I didn't get it, but a lot do). It should dissapate by weeks end, and you might suddenly realize you're not so hungry, and have more energy.

Seems like a lot...and it is at first. Like all good things, it takes time and adjustment. If you cheat/fail/flop, don't beat yourself up....pick up, dust off and continue on. No big deal.

Loveroflife.......Loved the meme!! And to answer your question "we won't turn into cave people, will we?"

....OH HELL YEAH WE WILL!! :

sas-schatzi

Wow Coach, that was a great start. I love the puns. They are definitely better that the puns we made up on the constipation thread. But with poop it gave us a lot of material to work with.

sas-schatzi

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.................................................Bluebird DH-Essa, May 23rd, 2018

sas-schatzi

Masonmama, Thank you for letting us know about Essa, she is missed

70charger

Bluebird will be missed, I will think of her with every skunk I meet.

sas-schatzi

Coach, this was on fb. The promo discussed how this gal beat her Chron's and IBS by changing her diet. I got the link for Wolf's page. I haven't viewed it yet. But wanted to drop it off so I wouldn't loose it.

https://autoimmunesecrets.com/david-wolfe?oprid=10...

Charger sorry, for your loss

Egads007

Sas - I’m familiar with him, but don't waste your time with David Wolfe, the dude's a snake oil salesman with a crystal ball like 'medical practice’ at best. In my humble opinion people like him need taken out the back 40 and shot. (Sorry, I know that's rough, but profiting on people's desperation & fear makes me angry). He's sheer flaky pseudo science. Read this:

https://www.google.ca/amp/s/www.forbes.com/sites/kavinsenapathy/2018/02/08/david-avocado-wolfe-deletes-reviews-after-facebook-page-slammed-with-thousands-of-1-star-ratings/amp/

I'm not trying to bash you AT ALL for posting the link, and appreciate ALL your input (which is incredibly important, vital and necessary on BCO). Keep the info coming! It's members like you that are the backbone here. Us newbs learn so much from you, so please don't think I'm not grateful for ever word/info you so generously provide. Besides, you’re really nice too. I’ve always wanted to be nice...I’ll get there one day.

sas-schatzi

Coach you are too funny. No problem here. I love it when folks don't do a two step. Subtlety is sometimes lost on me. I like direct.. Way easier on the brain.

JunieB

Sas - Agreed! I get SO frustrated with tippy toeing, just come out with what you want to say. That is what I do, but it does get me into some hot water at times.

Egads - You're funny!

JunieB

Day 1:

I am sitting here eating my first bun-less burger w/ tomato, avocado & lettuce. I hope I can keep the momentum going.

sas-schatzi

Coach see, you have a following...... Me and Junie.......... Let's set a wiegh in date . Hows about one day after you post the thread.

Haaahahah I get to eat the bad stuff until then. Not that I'm a real bad eater, just not a real great eater. That so many days of NO WHITE.........I lost 8 ibs so fast.

My reason was the last scan showed a mildly fat liver. Frankly, I was happy. Considering the wine, is empty calories and can lead to cirrohsis via a fatty liver. I was pleaseed with "mild fat" Mild fat can be associated with obesity of non alcohol origin. BUT mild fat of the liver is deleterious to the liver function. So, I read about it.

The reading told me to add Hard boiled eggs----Choline was the useful derivative. Bacon----useful fat to satiety(sic). Greens. Walnuts/almonds. Limited friuits. Now forget what else. It wasn't hard. *ibs went fast. Then forget why I broke off it.

But have a very specific reason to go on it. I have had a thyroidectomy b/c of Thyroid cancer. Docs varied on supllemental thyroid hormone. One doc said 175 mcg can go to 200mcg ,if I didn't fell well. He's at Moffitt two hours away in a nightmare highway system. Harrowing to get there. Local and hour away, less harrowing. But local thinks 150mcg is better, b/c it can avoid potential atrial fib.

Problem is the Moffit guy wrote the same thing in the medical record. i.e. he lied i.e. he covered his ass. THE reality is he wrote the script for 175mcg......So, if he was challenged he doesn't have a leg to stand on. DUH........

I just want to feel well. I did a very Very boring search on Sleep apnea. Weight is a chicken egg thing. Many details very boring.

But the weight is here and doing CPAP. In a danger area b/c I have a one sided chronic sinus drainage. The CPAP keeps the epiglottis open. The drainage is draining into the opening . How far it's going down -unknown. The drying secretions are a great risk.

SO______________loosing weight is important-----------just need a coach that's going to say-Girl listen to me ---Do this.

I've been a coach for others........... I need you Girlfriend. I need you to step on my toeses.

sas-schatzi

Update on Mags------Now has gotten Oxygen, Survived stress test, bx of the temporal artery. On Prednisone...SOUNDING good. We talk daily. They're will come a time we don't talk daily. That will be hard. Very hard. I will now longer be needed. But that is a great time too. What happens when someone is in crisis is they need a source that has a clue.

Mags and I have gone through so many weeks of stuff since the night that Loverly called and said Vasculitis. It's been weeks of stuff. Trying to get stuff done. Guiding and deciphering.. My sadness is for those that don't have a guide.

Egads007

Junie - Atta' girl!! Congrats on a good start to day one! A little hint about burgers: I hate eating them with a fork and knife...burgers are a 'hand food' that all self respecting North Americans deserve, a birthright if sorts...that and chicken wings. Problem is wrapping the burger and toppings with lettuce ('lettuce buns') break up and it all gets too sloppy! If you enjoy raw kale or Swiss chard use those leaves to create a pick-upable 'bun'. Keeps eating tidier....plus you're getting nutrient packed leafy greens. Love the avacado addition! If your carb count for the day is in line next time make yourself up some oven baked sweet potato fries to go with the burger....1/2 medium sweet potato (or whole just don't eat all of them!) cut to fry size or wedges, tossed into olive oil, s&p, garlic powder, smoked paprika, little chilli powder, oregano, bake till they're to your liking. Viola! Burger n' fries! No need to suffer. Leftover fries or wedges are great with eggs the next day. Maintaining your way can be pleasant...and filling!

SAS - you will feel well again! Right after you get over the toe pain from me jumping on them! I've got your back and together we'll put you back in order. You want this badly, that's going to take you a long way! They found that I had a fatty liver during staging, it matched me...I was fatty right along with my liver, not a pretty pair! Good news is that it's reversible with lifestyle changes, which is exactly what you're doing with paleo. Fatty liver disease is a blight, upwards of 20% if the population and growing, thanks McDonald's! If you do your follow through on this you're going to see change, not just the liver either

Hard boiled eggs: I keep a dozen or so in the fridge most weeks, great for fast snacks, brekkie or lunches...they're a paleo staple. Bacon, well, no introduction needed there, bacon speaks delicious volumes! just don't go crazy if you're buying the regular type (nitrates, salt, sugar). Buy the best you can afford and read the nutritional info, you might be surprised to see how much sugar is added. That said it's another paleo staple. Looking for a spin on breakfast? Grease up a muffin tin (6 or 12 pan), line each well with 1 strip of bacon (like a collar) beat up one egg per well in a bowl. Chop up whatever you like in omelettes...peppers, onions, tomato etc and fry em' up until they're cooked down (don't skip frying or your breakfast muffins go soggy), stir veggies into eggs, then fill each bacon lined muffin well 3/4 full and bake 10-15 mins at 400 deg, watch them puff! If you greased the whole pan really good they'll pop right out and you have 6-12 breakfasts or lunch (with salad). Freezeable too! Can also be made in a loaf pan and sliced.

Weigh in - happens day you start...first thing in the morning ladies - naked, ohhhh sexy! Doesn't end there, you have to take the dreaded measurements, yup, gotta' be done. Measure: neck, arms (largest diameter), wrist (right behind wrist bones) bust (no bra, ohhh sexy!) waist (1" above belly button) tummy (across belly button) hips, thighs (largest diameter) calves (largest diameter). Ankles (joking! Lol). This is needed to work up your BMI, SBMI, etc... and track progress. The scale is just one tool.

Have you ladies had recent blood work? It would be great to have baselines.

Enjoy your long weekend ladies, and promise yourself to take at least one nice long walk somewhere pretty. Paleo gals gotta' move.

I'm almost there with the thread, today was a write off unfortunately or I'd be done!

Pics below, not mine, but made the food and was delish! Looks good enough to stay in track doesn't it

Sas- I’m so sorry about your friend ((hugs))

sas-schatzi

Coach Egads what an amazing start....Can't wait to we start......on you thread. Totally committed. Have to my life is in jeapordy

Egads007

Sas - stress isn’t allowed anymore, not a moment longer.You’re on your way, get your fighting face on and go for it. Tomorrow: no wheat, or sugar, get out of the house, breath, enjoy something you love while pushing the dark stuff out of sight. You CAN and WILL be better..I have no doubts.