INSOMNIACS place to talk in the wee hours

sas-schatzi

Mommy, Sounds like your Mom has been a trial for you for a long time. Sorry.....

Loverly & Mags I will take an internet look on Ritalin and Adderal.

Wenchi that's a normal evolution of topics and threads. Many times folks become friends and like to stay just where they are. The best place to find info on a technical thread is in the first 25-30 pages. HotFlash Forum is an example. We worked hard finding evidenced based material. Later on it became a rehash of the earlier pages.

Insomniacs wanders all over the place. We hash a topic, then when it wears out, we go digest something else.

That's part of why I think we can do Fibro here. A bunch of us have fibro. We can pick it apart, until we are done picking, then move on.

Sensi yoohooo what's LarPar?

Loveroflife

Catherine palace....

Amber room. Wall was made from amber. The Nazis stripped the room before they left St Petersburg. It took the Russian 24 years to restore the room. They spent 15 million (3 million given by Germany) on the project.

Here are pictures of the palace after the war:

I hate war.

sas-schatzi

Whenchie, Sorry about the tiredness. For me I have to give in a sleep. Otherwise the mind isn't happy. Like yesterday up at 5:30 AM, bright rested. Part of the sleep study instruction were no naps after 12 noon. Yup, sleep attack at 11:50 am. No choice about giving in, slept for an hour and 3/4's. I coined the word sleep attack. Definition: unrelenting overwhelming need to sleep and either I get flat or I might go out where ever I am.

Loveroflife

Peter the Great's garden in Peterhof:

WenchLori

Sassy, I know there was no way I could keep my eyes open yesterday. Not so bad today but if it hits I'll fall off my mower and take a nap in the grass. I'd take a dip in the pool to wake up but it's been in the high 90s here so the pool is more like a warm bath. I'd be afraid I'd fall asleep in my REALLY big bathtub!

Lover, just BEAUTIFUL!

sas-schatzi

Cancer related Fatigue(CRF) it has it's own acronym. It's officially recognized as a problem. It's a step up from fatigue. That is huge in the research world.

Ritalin and Adderall. Just as I guessed the party started without us. Earliest mention of one of the drugs is 2010. I am going to put a few links here for your review.

The first link is an article about Ritalin based on a study from Mayo.

http://www.goodtherapy.org/blog/ritalin-cancer-patients-fatigue-070512

Another article about Ritalin from Journal of Clinical Oncology The publishing arm of ASCO. This article analyses several studies and compares why their results were different. Basically, it's not definitive. But that's not a bad thing. Ritalin is still on the table to be studied. That's good. The opposite could have been that Ritalin was determined to have absolutely no benefit. For now, I will take indecisive.

http://ascopubs.org/doi/full/10.1200/jco.2013.50.0181

Still looking

Wren44

Loverly, I love the colored buildings. And it looks like you got wonderful sunshine. I was there in Dec. with lots of snow.

JunieB

Sensi - So sorry to hear of Chance's health challenge. How extensive is the surgery and is Chance healthy otherwise? Any possibility you'd be able to take him to Davis University Veterinary School outside of Sac.?

Check into Care Credit for Chance's surgery. It is a credit card for medical, dental and veterinary expenses. They offer promotional payment plans for 0% interest as long as you finish paying off the total within that period. Otherwise the interest is like 26.00% retroactive. I have used it many times in the past, but always made sure to pay within the promotional period. The provider usually can offer promotions of 12-18 or 24 mos. depending on the total cost of the procedure. I hope this is helpful to you. I am going to need to use this avenue for Kirby's surgery next week. (Neutering)

Sas - If a person has hypertension and an arrhythmia, would it be safe to use the Adderall or Ritilan?

Also, you may want to place a stool or something next to your tub and leave a towel there so you don't have to toodle through the house all wet and risk slipping. ;0)

Feline - That pic of St. Anne's Church is very pretty. What year was it first built? I love old churches.

Loverly - Pics of the churches are wonderful. The architecture is amazing. Especially considering much of it has been around for centuries. The palaces are very extravagant, but so beautiful. Can you imagine how many poor people could be feed & educated with the money spent on those structures? This seems like a trip of a lifetime.

Wenchie - Hi to you too. Sorry you're experiencing the awful fatigue. You aren't that far out from finishing your radiation treatment, so just give yourself a break and listen to your body. But please NO sleepy mowing. Too dangerous!

Also, I saw some really cool posts on FB last night that showed how one can grow fruits, herbs and some veggies from seeds of the ones you have. It showed how to take strawberry seeds and prepare them for planting. Also, a lemon tree, tomatoes, avocados, etc. Pretty cool stuff. One could spend a lot of time on FB if you're not careful.

Mags - Just waving Hi. How are you feeling?

Well, I took the Kirbster for a walk on Saturday to a small park about a 1/2 mile from where I live. Once there I let him run on his retractable leash and after I regrouped my energy I decided to try and walk to a friends house to see if I could do it. Once I got there it turns out she wasn't home, but she had given me permission to rest on her porch for as long as I needed. Kirby and I visited with her kitty Max, who wasn't too sure about this wiggly, noisy little puppy who had disturbed his nap on the porch railing. Anyway, by this time it was about 82 degrees and humid. So Kirby and I just walked at a slow leisurely pace and we stopped at the Safeway store for a beverage and I rested in the A/C for about an hour, then continued the last 1/2 mile back home. All in all we walked approx. 2 miles total. My hips & shoulders sure complained. I rested for awhile once home, then for some unknown reason decided to attack the weeds in my yard. I barely made it to church yesterday and I was kinda hoping someone would just shoot me and put me out of my misery (not really). I doubt I will ever learn the definition of MODERATION. Ahh! so thick headed sometimes.

Then last evening I had the opportunity to talk with my sister and we were able to get caught up. Her oldest son who has Asperger's, but does very well in school and sports and was chosen to go to a football camp at Notre Dame last week. That is my sister's husbands' Alma Mater and both of her sons want to go to college there too. We discussed my flying out there again, but there is just no way because the flights are just too high. I am not sure how or if this will ever happen. But we will have to see. Our father would have been 81 on May 8th if he hadn't been murdered in 2000.

Anyway, I now need to go shower and take care of some errands, so I be back later. Have a great afternoon ladies.

CeliaC

Lover - So much beauty in your pics! They are breathtakenly lovely - such colors - keep them coming! Looks like the weather gods are being kind to you in your travels.

Sensi - Sending special healing thoughts and prayers for Chance. Is that Chance in your pic?.

sensitivehrt

Thanks for the well wishes for the boy. Yes CeliaC, that's my Chance in the pic.

Sas-Lar Par is laryngeal paralysis. Basically the flaps around his larynx that are suppose to open and close aren't working. The one side is completely closed and the other is weakend. For surgery, called a "tie back" they sew the flap so it stays open, making it easier to breath. Setback is that it puts him at an increased risk of aspiration and or pneumonia.

Didn't call consult place today as I was doing more research. Hate that I still have fog brain at times and have a hard time focusing.

❤️ You ladies. Thanks for letting me rambl

JWoo

sending love

feelingfeline

Lover - Wonderful Travel pictures, what a great tour, keep on enjoying and soaking it up.

Junie B like many European churches St Anne's was rebuilt on site of earlier (medieval) church, currrent structure dates from 1700's.

Best wishes to Chance.

sas-schatzi

Loverly, Thank you so much for these pictures, As a a vicarious viewer being ably to share the moment is good

Wenchie, Oh the sleep attack sheesh. The worst was when I took the RAI131 for thyroid cancer. I was supposed to drink water incessantly for forgotten number of hours. But I had a sleep attack when I got home. Went to sleep for several hours. Had no choice. Out. That put the pill in the stomach way to long. and the radiation way to long near the pancreas and transverse colon. OH well. .............Seriously, you would have to sleep in the grass? That's a major sleep attack.

The tub is great, but I'm developing thoughts for them already. Like all their R&D folks should have one in their house or in a test room. Water spitting all over the place up the back. So far methinks, I won't be able to run the jets without a towel on the back to prevent spray. I will hold in abeyance other thoughts, till the room is done.

But it does feel like sitting in a rocket ship. With rocket ship controls. No way someone without faculties should ever be left for a minute in this tub. Turn a wrong thingy a burn could occur.

My first suggestion to the company for a bidirectional safety thing is the inclusion of a thermometer. With directions for temperature way lower than what is recommended for Jacuccis's.(sic). It's primary advertisement is directed at seniors.

In the senior age group one of the failing things is Temperature regulation. We are more subject to overheating without being able to dissipate the heat. So, water regulation temperature is very important. OH MY off on a mild rant. LOve the thing

But since I'm into the sauce, I'll share another thing that they don't share in the advertisement. You are in this locked unit. You're okay until you stand up. Then the cold air hits. What happens is I peed..........stepped out the first time ..no control......peed....second time stayed in anticipating this. Could be just me.......I experience the same thing when I get out of the pool and go into the house with air-conditioning, I run for the bathroom. Cold air hit's the bottom---pee. Okay, there it is for the world to hear.

sas-schatzi

Sensi, My JB ( registered as Jimmy Buffet Turk). Had that particular scenario, but they didn't have that term then. My vet couldn't recognize what the problem was. She set me up with a call to a vet at University of Florida. That vet in the first minutes asked "Do you use a collar or a harness". I realized immediately what she was saying. Broke my heart. It was pressure on the larynx structures. We chose not to have surgery for the tacking procedure b/c JB had rectal adenoma problems that were recurrent i.e rectal carcinoma.

I became and advocate for harnesses. That was in the 1990's. It was little know then. Apparently hasn't become known now.

Dog's that pull on their collars are prone to develop paralysis of the structures around the larynx.

So, sorry Sensi you are going through this. Just sucks. If Chance is in otherwise good health. The surgery is good. Tack away!

sas-schatzi

Junie working on Aderall and Ritalin, attitude problem at the moment I don't want to study. But now never know when the moment strikes. Hahahahaha, seriously.can go for hours or minutes. Versus the old days of a 100 hours

sas-schatzi

Oh I suppose the Ritalin and Adderall thing will ultimately go to the science thread. I just think that those that are here, have so much to discuss about the topic.

sas-schatzi

Well, it's morning....................Except I haven't been to bed. So, it's like the old days

Loverly what fun What fabulous pictures and Food. Think about all the wonderful things that you have seen and we have no artisans or architects that can create a similar scenario..

Except......and bring it under budget and before time

M0mmyof3

Sas, she has been that way since I was a teenager.

Anywho, had some thunderboomers last night, humidity is gone.

Not doing much today except for sitting around.

WenchLori

Sensi, I used Care Credit for my DS's boxers. One of his dogs was poisoned and had to stay at the vet hospital for a week and shortly after that my favorite boxer of his Shatzi, got heart worms and I had to do something to save her and Care Credit covered her treatments also. My last dog Abbey-Gail had to be put to sleep due to a very aggressive bone cancer. Credit Care covered that and her cremation so I could have her with me forever. They are a great source and totally understand the love we have for our four legged babies. My vet's office manager handled the calls for me so I didn't have to do a thing but focus on my son's pups and grive for my Abbey.

I made it through all day yesterday with no sleep attack. Thank goodness! I can handle a sleepy day every now and then as long as it doesn't move in and take over. Sssheeesh!

PattyPeppermint

Loverly. Awesome pics. Emjoy

magdalene51

Well, hopingly (as my cousin says) today is post day! I'm offf to the oral surgeon in a couple of hours to have the posts for my lower plate installed. Then hopingly (again) I can eat real food again!

Our friend who has been in seminary in Scotland is in town for his 40th high school reunion and joined us for dinner on Father's Day, volunteered to drive me, which I thought was sweet. It gives us a chance to catch up. We don't get to see him often, for obvious reasons, but he's family to us in a weird sort of way, and very dear.

So I took an adderall when I woke up, but the xeloda fatigue is so heavy I may need a second! I've done nothing but sleep since Monday. I sit up for an hour or so, then my eyes start closing on me and I'm gone for 3-4 hours. But I have to get up now. So ttfn, bbl.

feelingfeline

sas-schatzi

Loverly,again the pictures are beautiful thanks. going over them often.

HelllllllllllllllllloooooooooooooJwoo

Junie busy walking lady and weed picker too. You are right I may have to put a step outside the door of the tub. It will get easier to remember the towel. At this rate of completion Thanksgiving is reasonable.

Mags by now you should be home with posts in place. Hope all went well. Enjoying thoughts with your seminarian

Feline what a fun picture. You look like you caught a mouse, what's up? Is that a dolphin or a whale about your neck?

M0mmyof3

Nice picture Feline!!!!!

WenchLori

Feline, you are gorgeous! The cake looks yummy too!

PattyPeppermint

Feline. Looking awesome !! You do look like you have a secret. Btw love that door behind you.

sas-schatzi

Feline, duh, 50th birthday.............another duh, I was so taken in by your smile. Congratulations. Yay whoopidido

sas-schatzi

Rocket ship is wonderful. Lesson today make sure all necessary things are assembled before the soak. New identified feature regarding the inline heater. If it drops below set point the jets turn on to bring it back up to temperature.

Tile is another thing. The granite once backed with "butter and thin set" became a different color. The tiler has 30 years experience. The store manager has an equal amount. Conclusion is that we chose to put duraroc as a backing. Duraroc doesn't absorb moisture. The granite does. May take a long time for it to dry out. Like along time. No idea how long. It may not dry evenly.

Lesson: buy something simpler than granite. I didn't mean to buy granite. Truth be told had I know it was granite, I would have walked away. I was going for a tile that wouldn't show flecs of mastic. Donnie's an HVAC guy that come home at times covered with stuff. Anything that is buggy type he's trained to wash out side, then strip in the garage, then throw the stuff in the washer right away with hot water and bleach.

But he occasional has mastic flecs on the previous tile. Made me crazy. Ya know what you can't see, won't make you crazy.

Problem now is 25 boxes of 5 tiles each at 12.95$ per tile.............will it cure the same way.. Chit.......

kathindc

Hi everybody. I've been lurking while life has gotten in the way. Sas just checked in on me, my bad for being MIA.

Lover, I'm living vicariously through you. Your on a fantastic trip. How did DD do in her first year? Is she narrowing down her major? I had a work study student change her major four times ny her junior year and was still wavering when she had to declare it for the last time. Yup, she changed it. Luckily, she was getting her core courses out of the way.

Happy Birthday! You're a young looking 50.

Mags, enjoy your visit with your friend. Hope you are doing well after having the posts put in.

Happy Anniversary MOmmy! May you have many more. It'll be 45 for me in August. Who would've thought it.

Love the bale garden. Bought two tomatoe plants this year and growing them in pots on the front porch alongside

She and her mate have taken over my large clay pots. They are two of the neighborhood ferals that have adopted me. They come looking for food and being a softy I feed them. They act like an old married couple. LOL Hmm, reminds me of my husband and myself come to think of it.

Hi Patty. Good seeing you posting again.

Junie, any current pics of Kirby.

I know I'm leaving some fantastic ladies out. My apologies. It's not ntentional, I have yet to learn to take notes when I lurk.

Edited to downsize photo. Well that didn't work! Sent from my iPad and wouldn't downsize there or on the computer. Sorry about the size.

sas-schatzi

Kathy so happy to see you. Tomatoes and cats. Cat- tomato. In Florida, feral cats are valued. They take care of the rats. There is a committed feral cat caretakers that see to it they are spayed. But eventually they will have to leave some unsprayed. Not sure if that group gets that. Rats are prolific. etc.

Trivial pursuit : The reason the plague occurred in Europe centuries ago, occurred b/c of the killing of cats. Cats being seen as evil.That allowed for the rats to proliferate . The fleas on the rats carried the plague. An example of messing with the ecosystem.