Can Turmeric slow down the spread of Breast Cancer?

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  • apple
    apple Member Posts: 7,799
    edited March 2011

    i hope so.. i eat it every day with black pepper.  I've made a spice blend.  I drink it if it doesn' go with the food I am having.

  • kira1234
    kira1234 Member Posts: 3,091
    edited March 2011

    apple, what is the ratio of Tumeric to black pepper? Also what goes into your drink?

  • MariannaLaFrance
    MariannaLaFrance Member Posts: 777
    edited March 2011

    Hope so, have certainly added it as a supplement and to my food whenever possible. I find its taste to be rather unobtrusive, so I've been able to add it to quite a few dishes in our house.

  • changes
    changes Member Posts: 622
    edited March 2011

    I hope it works - I toss it in nearly everything now.

  • Enjoyful
    Enjoyful Member Posts: 3,591
    edited March 2011

    Same here!  Make sure to add black pepper.  I read somewhere that the combination makes it more effective.

  • IwillBhealed
    IwillBhealed Member Posts: 160
    edited March 2011

    How are the capsules? I would rather take that. what do you girls think?

  • pip57
    pip57 Member Posts: 12,401
    edited March 2011

    I take the capsules twice a day.  But I also sprinkle turmeric and black pepper on my veggies at dinner every night. Also good in soups and omelets.

  • apple
    apple Member Posts: 7,799
    edited March 2011

    ratio?  i have more turmeric than black pepper in a jar.  4 / 1 i suppose.

    If I don't get enough in food I just mix it with water and swig it.. a couple tspoons maybe.

  • MariannaLaFrance
    MariannaLaFrance Member Posts: 777
    edited March 2011

    I also take the pills as well as sprinkling into my dishes. I alternate between a dose of CoQ10 one day, Turmeric the next... mainly because I take so many darn supplements (and CoQ10 and Turmeric gave me a tummy ache when taken together), so I just pop one in the afternoon with a snack.

  • formycyndi
    formycyndi Member Posts: 10
    edited March 2011

    Via Life Extensions

    How Curcumin Protects Against Cancer

    By J. Everett Borger

    According to the American Cancer Society,1 one out of every three women in the United States risks developing some form of cancer over the course of their lives. For men, that number rises to one in two. Since cancer is an age-related disease, the risk of diagnosis increases the longer one lives, making it the second leading cause of death in this country.2,3

    These data underscore a stark reality. When it comes to cancer prevention, the medical establishment and drug company profiteers remain grossly negligent in protecting the public. The result is countless avoidable cancer deaths each year. There is an urgent need to provide aging individuals with validated interventions to target cancer's multiple causative factors before they take hold.

    Among the most compelling and underrecognized of these is curcumin. In contrast to mainstream oncology's focus on single-agent toxic treatments, curcumin has emerged as a potent multimodal cancer-preventing agent, with 240 published studies appearing in the global scientific literature in the past year alone.

    In this article, you will learn of the multiple factors involved in carcinogenesis (cancer development). You will discover up-to-date research demonstrating curcumin's power to disrupt specific molecular mechanisms that lead to cancer-and to even treat the disease in many cases.

    System-Wide, Safe, Multimodal Defense

    Curcumin is derived from the Indian spice turmeric and possesses several active components, all of which contribute to its anti-inflammatory and chemopreventive power.4-6 In fact, curcumin targets ten causative factors involved in cancer development.

    Disrupting any one of these factors gives you a good chance of preventing cancer; disrupting several provides even greater protection, including the prevention of DNA damage.7

    By blocking the inflammatory master molecule nuclear factor-kappaB (or NF-kB), curcumin blunts cancer-causing inflammation, slashing levels of inflammatory cytokines throughout the body.8,9 Curcumin also interferes with production of dangerous advanced glycation end products that trigger inflammation which can lead to cancerous mutation.10

    Curcumin alters cellular signaling to enhance healthy control over cellular replication, which tightly regulates the cellular reproductive cycle, helping to stop uncontrolled proliferation of new tissue in tumors.11 It promotes apoptosis in rapidly reproducing cancer cells without affecting healthy tissue11-13 and reins in tumor growth by making tumors more vulnerable to pharmacologic cell-killing treatments.11,14

    In addition, curcumin regulates tumor suppressor pathways and triggers mitochondrial-mediated death in tumor tissue, thereby increasing the death of cancer cells.11,15

    Finally, curcumin interferes with tumor invasiveness and blocks molecules that would otherwise open pathways to penetration of tissue.2 It also helps to starve tumors of their vital blood supply and it can oppose many of the processes that permit metastases to spread.8,16,17 These multi-targeted actions are central to curcumin's capacity to block multiple forms of cancer before they manifest.

    Combating Deadly Cancers in Women

    Breast cancers vary widely in their responsiveness to standard treatment. Cancers that depend on the hormone estrogen for survival are more effectively treated with conventional methods. Those that lack receptors for female hormones are far more resistant to treatment. This is where curcumin's value truly lies, because it has the ability to induce apoptosis (programmed cell death) in a variety of hormone-negative cancers.18-20 Remarkably, curcumin produces virtually no change in healthy breast cells, with very low toxicity even at doses as high as 8,000 mg daily.21

    In human cancer patients, curcumin doses as high as 3,600 mg a day have been shown to induce the following favorable anti-cancer effects:

    • Paraptosis. A process similar to apoptosis (programmed cell death), curcumin initiates paraptosis only in breast cancer cells, resulting in their rapid destruction.22
    • Targeted destruction of cancer-cell mitochondria (leaving mitochondria in healthy cells unaffected).22
    • Disruption of the cancer cell cycle. Curcumin can "suspend" cancerous cells in a non-reproductive state within their life cycle, thereby halting their replication.20,23-25
    • Cancer cell downregulation. Curcumin blocks a group of molecules vital to the process of metastasis. In animal models, it has been shown to reduce metastatic spread to the lungs via this pathway.17,26,27
    • Arrested stem cell development. Curcumin inhibits growth and renewal of so-called cancer stem cells, aberrant cells now believed to be at the root of many cancers, including breast cancer.3,28

    Curcumin has also been shown to effectively combat cervical cancer, a leading cause of cancer death in women in developing nations and a common cancer in this country.29 It is caused largely by infection with the human papilloma virus, or HPV. Curcumin's anti-inflammatory effects break the link that triggers HPV-induced cancer development.29,30

    Curcumin further promotes apoptosis of cancer cells within the lining of the uterus and reduces the growth rate of painful but non-malignant uterine leiomyomas (uterine fibroids). 31-34

    Collectively, these effects make curcumin attractive both as a primary chemopreventive agent in women at risk for breast cancer and an adjuvant treatment option in those who have already developed the disease.20,21

    Prostate Cancer Defense

    Prostate cancer is the second leading cause of cancer death in American men.35,44 Fortunately, its long latency period and slow growth rate make it a prime candidate for prevention.36 Curcumin strikes at multiple targets in prostate malignancies, interfering with the spread of cancer cells and regulating inflammatory responses through the master regulator NF-kB.36-38

    Like certain breast cancers, prostate cancer is often dependent on sex hormones for its growth. Curcumin reduces expression of sex hormone receptors in the prostate, which speeds androgenic breakdown and impairs cancer cells' ability to respond to the effects of testosterone.39-42 It also inhibits cancer initiation and promotion43 by blocking metastases from forming in the prostate and regulating enzymes required for tissue invasiveness.44

    Combating Gastrointestinal Cancers

    Colorectal cancer is the third most common malignancy in adults and the second leading cause of cancer deaths.45,46 Despite aggressive surgical care and chemotherapy, nearly 50% of people with colorectal cancers develop recurrent tumors.47 This may be due in part to the survival of dangerous colon cancer stem cells that resist conventional chemotherapy and act as "seeds" for subsequent cancers.3,48,49

    On the other hand, these cancers are excellent candidates for prevention, since they follow a predictable sequence from non-malignant polyps to full-blown cancerous growths, usually requiring a decade to develop.46

    Much as with malignancies of the breast, cervix, and prostate, curcumin slows the progression from colon polyp to cancer by damping down the inflammatory cascade triggered by NF-kB and pro-inflammatory cytokines.6 This halts the growth of cancer cells before they can become detectable tumors via a host of interrelated molecular mechanisms.50,51

    Curcumin also creates a gastrointestinal environment more favorable to optimal colon health by reducing levels of so-called secondary bile acids, natural secretions that contribute to colon cancer risk.52 That has a direct effect, inhibiting proliferation of cancer cells and further reducing their production.53

    Curcumin also suppresses colon cancer when combined with other polyphenols such as resveratrol.46,54 The combination of curcumin with green tea extracts has prevented experimentally induced colon cancer in rats.55

    Curcumin also synergizes with standard chemotherapy drugs, helping to boost their efficacy and potentially reduce the dose of toxic chemotherapy products, minimizing needless harm and suffering for cancer patients.45,47-49 Curcumin increases colon cancer cell response to radiation.56

    A novel feature of curcumin is its ability to bind to and activate vitamin D receptors in colon cells.57 Vitamin D is known to exert potent anti-cancer properties.

    Curcumin is equally powerful at preventing cancers in the stomach. It inhibits growth and proliferation of human gastric cancer cells in the laboratory and is particularly effective in stopping cancers that have become resistant to multiple drug treatment.58-60 Curcumin can prevent gastric cancer cells from progressing through their growth cycle, blocking further tumor growth.60

    Infection with the bacterium Helicobacter pylori (H. pylori) is a known cause of gastritis, peptic ulcer, and gastric cancer.61 Curcumin blocks growth of H. pylori and reduces the rate at which stomach cells react by turning cancerous.61,62 This effect is again related to curcumin's fundamental ability to block activation of inflammatory NF-kB.62

    What You Need to Know: Multimodal Anti-Cancer Power of Curcumin

    • Curcumin has emerged as a potent cancer-preventing agent, with 240 published studies appearing in the global scientific literature in the past year alone.
    • Its multimodal effects act to simultaneously counter ten discrete causative factors in cancer development.
    • It intervenes at each stage in the complex sequence of events that enable cancer cells to develop, proliferate, and metastasize.
    • Its multitargeted mechanisms of action have yielded compelling results in combating a remarkably broad array of cancers, including those of the breast, uterus, cervix, prostate, and GI tract.
    • A blossoming body of research reveals curcumin's promise in countering cancers of the blood, brain, lung, and bladder as well.

    Further Preventive Potential

    Curcumin's anti-inflammatory, antioxidant, and gene-regulating powers have been explored in preventing or treating cancers of the blood-forming system (leukemias, lymphomas, and myelomas) as well as those of the brain, lung, and bladder.12,13,63-81 Even aggressive tumors of the head and neck, often following years of smoking, are proving responsive to curcumin treatment.14,82-85 Curcumin is also emerging as a potentially effective intervention for pancreatic cancer-one of cancer's most lethal and aggressive forms.86-90

    Summary

    Cancer is the second leading cause of death in the US, and the risk of developing the disease increases significantly as we age.

    Curcumin has emerged as a potent cancer-preventing agent, with 240 published studies appearing in the global scientific literature in the past year. Curcumin's multimodal effects act to simultaneously counter ten discrete causative factors in cancer development.

    It intervenes at each stage in the complex sequence of events that must occur in order for a cancer to develop, progress, invade, and ultimately metastasize to healthy tissue.

    The multi-targeted mechanisms of curcumin have yielded compelling results in combating a remarkably broad array of cancers, including those of the breast, uterus, cervix, prostate, and GI tract. A burgeoning body of research demonstrates curcumin's potential to counter cancers of the blood, brain, lung, and bladder as well.

    If you have any questions on the scientific content of this article, please call a Life Extension® Health Advisor at
    1-866-864-3027.

    Ten Key Causative Factors in Cancer Development

    More than many other age-related diseases, cancer results from the cumulative effect of years of discrete, small-scale assaults on the body. Oxidation, inflammation, stress, infection, and other physiological insults take their toll, inflicting lethal damage over time that sets abnormal cell proliferation in motion.91,92

    1. DNA damage. Numerous biomolecular assaults strike at the "blueprint" that cells need in order to replicate themselves accurately. DNA damage is often referred to as the "initiator" in cancer development-the first step in the onset of most cancers.

    2. Excessive or chronic inflammation. Inflammatory processes trigger the release of a host of disruptive cytokines (cell-signaling molecules) that affect virtually all cellular functions. Inflammation is commonly referred to as a cancer "promoter" for this reason.

    3. Disruption of cell signaling pathways. Normal communication within and between cells assures proper regulation of their healthy function. These pathways are easily disrupted by adverse events such as inflammation.

    4. Alterations in the cellular reproductive cycle. Cells undergo a four-stage process as they prepare to replicate themselves. The cell cycle itself is controlled by signaling pathways that can be altered or disrupted at each of these stages.

    5. Abnormal regulation of apoptosis. Apoptosis is the process of naturally "pre-programmed" cell death that prevents overgrowth of tissue. When apoptosis fails, cells may undergo uncontrolled reproduction.

    6. Altered survival pathways. The flip side of unregulated apoptosis: survival of too many healthy cells, paradoxically, can endanger the host by permitting a cancer to take hold by increasing the odds of mutation and proliferation.

    7. Excessive cellular proliferation. Certain hormones and other stimuli can directly trigger cells to reproduce without safe limits, especially when the preceding regulatory mechanisms have failed.

    8. Aggressive invasion of healthy tissue. This is accomplished by excessive production of enzymes and adhesion molecules that "dissolve" tissue and allow the tumor to literally take root. The word "cancer" itself is derived from the crab-like appearance of fully-developed malignancies, which extend tendrils in all directions into healthy tissue.93

    9. Rapid angiogenesis. Tumors require growth of new blood vessels for nourishment. They are endowed with the capacity to spontaneously generate new blood vessels just like healthy tissue. Angiogenesis in cancer tissue is a primary means by which tumors grow.

    10. Metastasis. This is the migration of cancerous cells to regions of the body beyond the locus of the primary tumor. Metastases are the distinguishing features of most malignant cancers, and the typically herald the onset of end-stage disease because they disrupt otherwise healthy tissues.

  • IwillBhealed
    IwillBhealed Member Posts: 160
    edited March 2011

    so my husband bought me my turmeric vitamins, and now I'm afraid to take them in fear its going to interfere with my Xeloda /cytoxen  chemo pills. has anyone taken them while on chemo?

  • Cynthia1962
    Cynthia1962 Member Posts: 1,424
    edited March 2011

    I've read a lot about curcumin and there haven't been any cautions to avoid taking it with chemo.  Btw, the optimal dose to strive for with mets is 6000 mg daily divided into 3 doses.  I'm still struggling to get up to that level.  The pills I have are 1000 mg each, but they're huge and I hate taking them.

    Cynthia

  • Pessa
    Pessa Member Posts: 519
    edited March 2011

    I read somewhere that tumeric should NOT be taken while receiving chemo so I was careful to avoid it during my chemo and for a few weeks afterwards.

  • Anonymous
    Anonymous Member Posts: 1,376
    edited March 2011

    How much tumeric do you eat a day.  What do you do with it?

    I gag it down with V-8 or on veggies

  • vmudrow
    vmudrow Member Posts: 846
    edited March 2011

    I saw on Dr. Oz - he recommends to sprinkle this mixture on foods - 1/2 t. turmeric, 1/2 t. black pepper and 1/2 t. garlic salt.  Put in shaker and use as salt on foods.

  • crazy4carrots
    crazy4carrots Member Posts: 5,324
    edited March 2011

    Just another note of caution -- Turmeric can cause the excess production of bile if taken in high doses.  For anyone who has known gall bladder disease, too much turmeric is likely to bring on an attack.  How much is too much?  I had read any amount above 40 mg, which is easy to measure if you're taking it in capsule form.  A liberal dash of turmeric on veggies, in soups and omelets would be quite safe.  And since I put freshly ground black pepper on everythig except dessert, I guess I'm doing okay!

    Apple - obviously you have a very healthy gall bladder (or maybe none at all!).

  • pip57
    pip57 Member Posts: 12,401
    edited March 2011

    Cynthia...6,000mg of turmeric a day?  I have never heard on anyone taking that amount.  Do you have a link for that info?

  • Cynthia1962
    Cynthia1962 Member Posts: 1,424
    edited March 2011

    Hi pip57 - Here is the link to where I get my info:

    http://www.nosurrenderbreastcancersurvivorforum.org/post?id=4807927&trail=20#1 

    I hope I inserted the link correctly.  Here is a small excerpt pertaining specifically to your question:  

    Optimal Dosing: Minimal effective dosing is 500mg / daily of curcuminoid component (one capsule daily), but this can be escalated to up to at least 1500 to 2000 mg / daily in: (1) advanced disease and metastatic settings, or in, (2) elevated risk contexts. A new study from Mathilde Bayet-Robert at the Centre Jean Perrin has established although the MTD (maximum tolerated dose) of curcumin is 8000 mg/daily, the recommended dosing for near-optimal clinical benefit in human trial of women with advanced or metastatic breast cancer is 6000 mg/daily. 

    Also, formycyndi posted info in a earlier post with a lot of findings which includes mention of the max safe dose of 8000 mg/daily.

    Hope this helps,

    Cynthia

  • Cynthia1962
    Cynthia1962 Member Posts: 1,424
    edited March 2011

    It's recommended that curcumin be taken at the end of a large meal.  I don't eat large meals, but I've managed to take 2 with breakfast and 1 after lunch today, and so far I haven't had any issues.  I hope my luck continues and I can eventually work up to 6 a day. 

    Cynthia

  • pip57
    pip57 Member Posts: 12,401
    edited March 2011

    Thanks for the info.  I currently take 600mg by capsule and sprinkle it on food at dinner.  It must cost an awful lot of money to take 6000mg or more!

  • Cynthia1962
    Cynthia1962 Member Posts: 1,424
    edited March 2011

    pip57 - Yes, it's not cheap, but it's not too bad.  I pay about $32 for 120 1,000mg pills at Vitacost.  I have yet to take 6, though, so this bottle has lasted me awhile.  lol 

    Cynthia

  • pip57
    pip57 Member Posts: 12,401
    edited March 2011

    That is a good price.  I will have to check out places around here in Ontario.  

  • MsBliss
    MsBliss Member Posts: 536
    edited March 2011

    Curcumin or Turmeric has been shown to make certain chemo therapies and radiation therapy more effective.  I don't have a link for the study, but you can find it on google. 

    Take it with the highest fat content meal--it is difficult to absorb.

  • Anonymous
    Anonymous Member Posts: 1,376
    edited March 2011

    So the Dr. Oz. mixture is a daily dose ?

  • AnnNYC
    AnnNYC Member Posts: 4,484
    edited March 2011

    I'm just commenting from a cook's point of view, prompted by MsBliss's comment about taking curcumin or turmeric with a high-fat-content meal.  If you want to cook with turmeric, it's by far the tastiest and easiest to digest if you cook the powder in oil at or near the beginning of whatever dish you're cooking.  You don't need to use a lot of oil (when I follow Indian recipes, I usually use only a third of the oil called for in the recipe), but heat the oil, then add the turmeric and let it cook for a few minutes (keep stirring) before adding any watery ingredients...

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