I say yes, you say no, OR People are Strange

pip57

Just listening to McConnell tell us how the democrats have refused every reasonable compromise and therefore, they are responsible for the close down.

Isn't that like the kidnappers saying we only asked for $1 million. A very reasonable compromise because we really want $10 million.



I cringe whenever I hear the republicans say they only want to hold off Obamacare for a year. How many lives will be lost or compromised in that year?

RetiredLibby

"What we are seeing is as close to treasonous sabotage from within as you can possibly get. A branch of government denying the will of the majority due to the influence of a far right radical grouping of Congressional Republicans." - Allen Clifton



Treasonous sabotage is not exactly correct. It is, however, sedition. 18 USC Chapter 115.



Will cut and paste later - going out with furloughed DH.



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IllinoisLady

Stayed up last last night watching the weasel Boehner bow and scrape for the appeasement of the T. Party.   How wonderful to be able to dismiss a huge portion of society along with your responsibility.  The only thing is.....it doesn't end and in the coming days, life will be no better.  What a sad cruelty. 

pupmom

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IllinoisLady

crazy4carrots

 

 

The twitterverse is pretty active today!  Best one I've seen is "Irony:  GOP forced gov shutdown because of Obamacare.  Guess what's open for business today?"

 

 

pupmom

C4C, the tealiban is the definition of STUPID! 

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Anonymous

http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2013/10/01/heckuva-job-wacko-birds-you-ve-shut-down-the-u-s-government.html

Heckuva Job, Wacko Birds: You’ve Shut Down the U.S. Government

by Kirsten Powers Oct 1, 2013 5:45 AM EDT

So the ‘suicide caucus’ of the GOP just shut down the government to reflect the ‘will of the American people’? No, it turns out we didn’t want that. They’re delusional, says Kirsten Powers.

The GOP “suicide caucus”, led by proud “wacko bird” Sen. Ted Cruz, was, not surprisingly, spawned from a faulty premise.

Their kamikaze campaign to defund President Obama’s signature legislative achievement, the Affordable Care Act, ridiculously rests on the idea that they are reflecting “the will of the American people.” It’s true that Obamacare is not the most popular government program in history. But hardly anyone outside this pestiferous little posse supports defunding the law, especially at the cost of a government shutdown.

Sen. Ted Cruz waits for an elevator before the government shutdown on September 30. (Nicholas Kamm/AFP/Getty Images)

In a widely touted USA Today/Pew Research survey, 53 percent of Americans expressed disapproval of Obamacare. But of those 53 percent, just 23 percent said they wanted Republicans to do what they could to kill the health-care law. A Kaiser Family Foundation poll asked, “Would you say you approve or disapprove of cutting off funding as a way to stop some or all of the law from being put into place?” Defunding was opposed 56-37. When the possibility of a government shutdown was factored in, there was even less support. In the CNBC All-America Economic Survey, opposition to defunding under those circumstances was 59-19.

On what planet is 19 percent of the population the expression of the will of the American people? The GOP has routinely conflated disapproval of or confusion about Obamacare with a desire to defund the law. Now they seem to believe that the American people want to defund the health-care law so much that they are willing to drive the American economy off a cliff. It’s beyond delusional. This is government of, for, and by the fringe.

The hysteria and hostage taking of Wacko Bird Inc. is not reasonably matched to the current situation.

Could people in Congress possibly behave another way when they disagree with the president on an important policy matter? Yes, it turns out they could. In April 2007, when 76 percent of Americans said the Iraq War was going badly, a CBS/New York Times poll found that 36 percent of all adults wanted Democrats to withhold funding for the Iraq War if no timetable for withdrawal was set. Did the Democrats take the U.S. government to the brink of disaster to get this accomplished? No, they didn’t. They included a timetable in an Iraq War spending bill. President Bush vetoed it, and Democrats relented in the face of outrage from their liberal flank. It’s worth noting that the Iraq War was a demonstrable mistake involving life and death. Obamacare is essentially government-run health insurance that hasn’t even fully launched. The hysteria and hostage taking of Wacko Bird Inc. is not reasonably matched to the current situation.

The inability of this faction of the GOP to grasp the serious repercussions of their behavior is frightening. Take it away, Karl Rove: “A shutdown now would have much worse fallout than the one in 1995,” wrote Rove in his Wall Street Journal column last month. “Back then, seven of the government’s 13 appropriations bills had been signed into law, including the two that funded the military. So most of the government was untouched by the shutdown. [B]ut this time, no appropriations bills have been signed into law, so no discretionary spending is in place for any part of the federal government. Washington won’t be able to pay military families or any other federal employee. While conscientious FBI and Border Patrol agents, prison guards, air-traffic controllers and other federal employees may keep showing up for work, they won’t get paychecks, just IOUs.” (Obama did sign a last-minute bill Monday night ensuring that members of the armed services would continue to be paid during the shutdown.)

As Reuters reported Sunday, “A shutdown is expected to have a major impact on markets, injecting massive amounts of uncertainty into all asset classes.” If the GOP can’t get it together, we may be facing a default on the federal debt and another recession in addition to a shutdown. Mark Zandi, chief economist of Moody’s Analytics, told The Washington Post, “It’s corrosive on the economy” and we could be headed for “the nightmare of the recession all over again.”

Heckuva job, wacko birds.

QuinnCat

Ah yes, the "see government doesn't work" graphic is so true Blue.

So 30-40 crazies in the TP, a minority of the majority, are holding the government hostage, and no thanks to their fearful leader, John Boehner.  Never has the government been shutdown because one party is holding a law hostage, let alone one faction of one party that seems to have unreasonable power, and especially disgusting since the only way they could get elected would be to from a Congressional district where Democrats have been gerrymandered into extinction. 

These terrorists represent a very tiny minority in this United States. Sedition.  Democrats - do not pay the ransom.

gardengumby

One take-away from this bulls**t that's going on now is that THERE IS NO SUCH THING AS AN UNIMPORTANT ELECTION!!!  2010 the Dems stayed away from the polls in droves.  2010 a Census year.  2010 the various congressional districts are gerrymandered such that it would be IMPOSSIBLE for anyone but the hardest hardcore conservative to be elected.  Voting is a right that must never be squandered!!!

Bren-2007

Morning Friends,

Going to be a nice warm day.  Temps up to 80 degrees.  Yay!

Libby .. What's going to happen to us if your DH and his coworkers are on furlough?  I thought their job was to protect and serve.  Oh .. how could I forget .. we've got all these lunatics running around with guns to protect us.

Gumby .. Agree with you .. the next election is crucial.

hugs to all,

Bren

gardengumby

For those people who are amazed the exchanges are opening despite the government shutdown...  the exchanges are run by the states - there is no impact to them from the Federal Government shutdown.  That is why some of the exchanges are up and running and expectations are high - and others not so much.

Anonymous

Happy sunshine Bren, here too.

Garden gumby - SO RIGHT RIGHT about 2010 election.  We'll be living with the misery for a long time.

Now it seems I'm on the same team with Jeff Flake, add him to Peter King - saying, IT'S THE LAW - get on with it. Now speaking of very unusual bedfellows...

Anonymous

http://margaretandhelen.com/   THANK GOD FOR MARGARET AND HELEN

I DO SO LOVE THEM: "If brains were leather, Cruz wouldn’t have enough to saddle a junebug."

Happy October 1, 2013

Anonymous

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/09/30/jon-stewart-on-govt-shutdown_n_4020581.html

jon stewart is a genius

Chickadee

Crazy, I know, I meant they should have a weekly show.

Bren-2007

Sunny ... Margaret and Helen are hilarious!

hugs,

Bren

crazy4carrots

UNITED STATES (The Borowitz Report)—Millions of Tea Party loyalists fled the United States in the early morning hours today, seeking what one of them called “the American dream of liberty from health care.”

Harland Dorrinson, 47, a tire salesman from Lexington, Kentucky, packed up his family and whatever belongings he could fit into his Chevy Suburban just hours before the health-insurance exchanges opened, joining the Tea Party’s Freedom Caravan with one goal in mind: escape from Obamacare.

“My father didn’t have health care and neither did my father’s father before him,” he said. “I’ll be damned if I’m going to let my children have it.”

But after driving over ten hours to the Canadian border, Mr. Dorrinson was dismayed to learn that America’s northern neighbor had been in the iron grip of health care for decades.

“The border guard was so calm when he told me, as if it was the most normal thing in the world,” he said. “It’s like he was brainwashed by health care.”

Turning away from Canada, Mr. Dorrinson joined a procession of Tea Party cars heading south to Mexico, noting, “They may have drug cartels and narcoterrorism down there, but at least they’ve kept health care out.”

Mr. Dorrinson was halfway to the southern border before he heard through the Tea Party grapevine that Mexico, too, has public health care, as do Great Britain, Japan, Turkey, Spain, Belgium, New Zealand, Slovenia, and dozens of other countries to which he had considered fleeing.

Undaunted, Mr. Dorrinson said he had begun looking into additional countries, like Chad and North Korea, but he expressed astonishment at a world seemingly overrun by health care.

“It turns out that the United States is one of the last countries on earth to get it,” he said. “It makes me proud to be an American.”

 

crazy4carrots

AnneW

Wondering how many Teahadists are sneaking over to their local health care exchange websites to sign up?? Wondering if any who have pre-existing conditions like breast cancer are now signing up...and of course will never admit to it because they are ffing hypocrits.

gardengumby

Hypocrits wiyhout a doubt, but are they stupid hypocrits? That is the question...

Enjoyful

"Bugbite, Iowa."  *snort*

From CNN:

"Some Republicans expressed frustration Monday with the tactics of their congressional colleagues. Veteran GOP Sen. John McCain of Arizona noted that any attempt to repeal Obamacare would fail because of Obama's veto, which would require a two-thirds majority in the Senate to overcome.

"There's not 67 votes in the United States Senate, therefore, ergo, we're not going to repeal Obamacare," McCain said. "OK? That's it. We may do this for a day. We may do it for a week. We may do it for a month. It's going to end up the same way. ""

I like about half of the things that John McCain has to say, and this is one of them.  Poor guy, appealing to the Tea Party with logic....he just doesn't understand.

 

djd

 The Teahadists claim to love the constitution, but they don't seem to know how a bill gets passed into law. If they believe so strongly that the ACA is bad, there is a process by which they can change it.  Holding the government hostage is not a legitimate means to affect change in a law.  This whole mess is, very predictably, backfiring on the GOP in a huge way.  Even the Teahadists seem to be embarrassed...or uncharacteristically quiet today.  They are probably waiting on their talking points from Rush... 

Bren-2007

Donna .. I'm so happy to see your name!  How have you been?

hugs,

Bren