HELP..DCIS triple neg.. could it be cheese?

maryvanessa1

HELP..DCIS triple neg.. could it be cheese?

maryvanessa1

Hello everyone,  was just diagnosed with dcis, caught very early with triple negatives.  since the cancer was not fueled by estrogen.progesterone or her-2, my surgeon called it spontaneous. I am desperate to find out what may have caused it.  my sister thinks its cheese, and i eat a tremendous amt.  she said she did some research and found that wisconsin (the cheese state) has the highest rate of breast cancer.   Also the  artificial  hormones they inject cows and other animal meat may be toxic to humans.  Does anyone else have similiar diagnosis and given any alternative treatments or even an idea as to what could have fueled it? I do have an appt with an intergrative dr. on july 6. thank you anyone who responds.   

MariannaLaFrance

That's a tough one. I would think that if it were due to the rbGH hormones that are given to the cows, you would have been affected by a hormally based (read: estrogen positive) tumor. Cows are given estrogenic hormone treatments to help promote fatty growth, and this is what organic followers try to avoid, so as to not have estrogenic effects on their bodies. However, anything is possible.... who knows what a laboratory-derived hormone added to cows could potentially do to a human? It could be carcinogenic.

My neighbor's little girl developed breasts at age 7 and got her period at age 8. She thinks it's because of the cow's milk her daughter consumed.  For this reason, we try to buy organic milk and cheese products at our house for our childrens' sake.

althea

maryvanessa, our everyday lives are so filled with toxic products, it would be difficult and probably impossible to know what caused your cancer.  A lot of very smart people have differing opinions on what is best for us to be eating.  There seems to be just one area where everyone is in agreement -- processed foods are detrimental to our health. 

If you want to learn some new recipes that are dairy free, get a copy of Dr Cabot's Liver Cleansing Diet.  All the recipes are from scratch and I've liked nearly every one that I've tried.  Chicken and fish are only meats she uses.  If there's just one thing you do to protect your health, eating food that is chemical-free will probably give you more mileage than any other lifestyle change.  Your dx can't be undone.  May I suggest you focus on doing what you can to prevent ever getting another one.  You'll find a wealth on information here on how to do that.  

maryvanessa1

 Thank you so much ladies for you responses.   I plan on eating more organic and try to stay away from meats and processed foods.  LIke  althea says, i dont know what could have caused it, but i hope this alternative dr. has some ideas.  I do see there are clinical trials that look promising for triple negs, but are not as yet approved by FDA.  In the meantime I will try and stay positive and not focus on the possibility of it coming back... it is said thoughts create reality.  

sincerely,  maryvanessa 

raro

I've been thinking a lot about what I've been putting in my body. I drank powdered milk most of my life growing up. I have eaten a lot of meat and dairy. I've tried altering my diet to include more veggies and only whole grains, but nothing has stopped the cancer. One thing I hadn't tried was organic milk, meat, etc. But then I read and researched, and it's not just organic, it's grass fed meat that I should be looking for. Well, I don't know about you guys, but I just can't see paying 4 times the price of regular meats, eggs, etc. I pay double already for organic milk.



One solution that came to mind is...chickinz! I live in the suburbs, and there are no ordinances about keeping a few hens for eggs in the backyard. You don't need a rooster to get eggs. I have a big fence and a wooded area behind the fence, so neighbors probably wouldn't even know. My family thinks I'm nuts for even considering it. But it's MY life, not theirs, that's on the line. I have researched it, and there is a whole culture of city people who keep chickens. Insane, perhaps, but who cares?!

MariannaLaFrance

I think it's a great idea.... but I'd sure have a hard time when it came to butchering them! I have begged my husband for backyard chickens.... we're in the city, but have 1.5 acres. He thinks they'll be too much of a mess. I think the eggs would be marvelous, and a bit of fun in your day to care for them.

Go for it!

maryvanessa1

Hi raro,  you are right organic food is more expensive but maybe you can have more veggies and grains for most of the week and just  have a grass fed meat once a week to save you money.  Right now im trying to think of ways of making veggies more interesting to eat so i dont get tired of them. I went out an bought a bunch of spices.   I will let you know what the intergrative dr. at sloan kettering suggests.,   I have an appt with her on july 6.   Dont know if you have a TRADER JOES supermarket where you live, but they have more organic foods there and a lot less than regular food markets and health food stores.  

who really knows if the food we eat causes cancer but shooting these animals up with antibiotics and hormones couldnt be good.   AND, by the way it is your life,  so do whatever makes you comfortable.  No one understands unless they are in our shoes. 

mathteacher

When I was growing up in the suburbs on 50' x 100 lot, we had two smallish, egg-laying chickens as pets. They were very quiet and loved to peck around getting good bugs and minerals from the soil and grass. We had them a couple of years and then they wandered into the neighbors' yards because our yard was not fenced in. For some reason, my mother didn't like them wandering and so she gave them away.

One of the teachers I work with has a larger piece of property and about a dozen free range laying hens. He sells the eggs they don't eat. His wife loves feeding them and they come running when she calls. But he has a rooster too. I wouldn't want that because the can screetch at all hours. But he has the rooster for some reason. Anyway, if they free range, they are very clean and fun.

MBJ

I am convinced that hormones put into our food and for birth control are largely the cause for BC.  They say that most TN's are caused by BC pills but it's interesting to me that when humans are given synthetic hormones a cancer is created that is not hormone related.  I ate tons of dairy and cheese products: real butter, triple cream brie, raw cheddar.  Love the stuff--not anymore.  Now I limit myself to organic yogurt, occassional organic feta or goat chease, but no butter and no other cheese.  Vanessa is right--Trader Joes is much less expensive for purchasing organics.  I get almost all of our groceries there because it saves us so much per month.  My husband and I have talked about eventually being able to have a yard so that we can have chickens--you don't need a rooster to lay eggs!

Annabella58

Hi Vanessa:

It's impossible to say what caused your cancer, but since you do eat tons of cheese,  it's always a great idea to go organic.  Even then, you may wish to limit your dairy as the farmers tend to supplement pasture feeding in the winter months with soybeans, an estrogenic food.  My GP used to say that milk is for baby cows, not baby humans. 

The idea behind going organic with everything is to try to stay away from processed foods as much as possible as there's some thinking that causes cancer.  However, you say you were a non estrogen caused cancer and the estrogen that they give cows and the bovine growth hormones in their milk and their meat would cause an estrogenic cancer, one would surmise.

I had estrogenic bc twice....turned out to be caused by an excess of estrogen so I pulled out the little ovaries, cancer bombs that they are.  I'll take a bone drug if I have to.

Be leery of naturophathic, etc. physicians and use your own good common sense.  "All things in moderation, stay with natural foods, be active and have a drink once in awhile, but don't smoke"...that is the wisdom on the Scandinavian countries (I am norwegian/danish) and my great grandparents, grandparents all lived into their 90s, actively.  My mom at 79+ is going strong and working.

Don't go too crazy looking for the cause.  My onc whom I greatly respect, does say that we have to live in this toxic world, so that if you are too rigorous about restricting your diet and environment, you run the risk of allergies, or overreactions, so just live gently, and perhaps put dairy foods into the lesser eaten arena, or at the very least, go organic with them and try to limit them.

Try a wonderful array of veggies, you can spray a non stick cookie sheet with PAM, then slice them thinly and roast at 400 for 10 minutes.  Sprinkle lightly with some Mrs. Dash or lite S & P, and you'll think you have some great chips there.  Add some salsa, and it's good for you too!

Good luck to you!

MBJ

anniealso:  great food tips! 

vanessa: I think that there are many problems with eating too much dairy, not just hormones.  I found that I could control my uterine fibroids and even shrink them down to nothing by the foods I ate:  namely, cutting out all dairy, white rice, potatoes, white bread; all white foods always worked.  yogurt is less problematic for our bodies to digest.