Canadian Health Care

lewing

Yikes!  Now RIco's post has been censored?  This is getting ridiculous.  Who's next?

(I had a chance to read Enjoyful's post before it was removed, and it was very, very apt.)

Linda

konakat

Oh dear -- I have a feeling it wasn't by a Canuck!

Edit to add:  Can this please be a censor-free zone???

konakat

As I recall on the healthcare threads the MODERATORS said stop censoring someone if you disagree with them -- just move along...or say what you think.  Grow up censorious people!!!  Please!

covertanjou

Thanks for the well-wishes everyone!

LOL FRICK!!! that is too funny!  I love it!! 

rinna40

Mary: hugs to you and good wishes for your father. 

I saw the deleted post on the other thread, OMG. I did find it the microchip thing entertaining. Rico and enjoyful, you have more patience than I do. I missed the Health Care in the stall defense. I must have been speed reading through that one. 

 Re; dirty hospitals - I worked in Mexico for a couple or years and it would have been a compliment to call the public hospital dirty. Now, we had insurance through our employer, so we could go to the private hospital - it was immaculate. My co-worker had appendicitis and had to go to the private ER. Well, there was no line up, right in for x-rays..... and rush surgery when it was found that the appendix had burst. After several days in Hospital, she was sent home with a video tape of her surgery. She was told that she might need it to prove to our insurance company that the surgery took place. Talk about fraud.  That being said, the care was great, but what a travesty that the hospital was almost empty, as most of the citizens could not afford to go there.  

Kyta

Enjoyful/Frick....glad you're back on!!!

konakat

What spitefulness!  Give the censorship a break ladies, and I use the term "ladiess" very loosely here!!!

rinna40

This is ridiculous. As I was posting, two people were cut off. I agree Konakat, it is spiteful. 

mke

Dang, all the funny ones keep getting censored before I get to them.  Probably because I need to keep going away to wipe my runny nose.

konakat

Here's the message I just sent to the Moderators/Melissa -- BTW censors -- you DO realize that you can be tracked when you push the report button?

Dear Melissa -- Seems like some spitefulness has spilled over onto the Cdn Healthcare Board and posters are being censored by the community -- Ones I am confident that do not participate on the thread but feel the need to censor it.  Would you be so kind as to step in and remind that a difference of opinion does not give one the right to censor.

Thank-you for your consideration in this issue.

Elizabeth

Crap -- my spelling and grammar!  Oh well...

crazy4carrots

Thanks Elizabeth.  It's pretty obvious whose itchy fingers are hitting the Report this Post button.  Just another reason why those itchy fingers should have to identify themselves before hitting the button.  As many of us have suggested.....

IsThisForReal

LOL - well done!

Kyta

Here here Elizabeth.....Frick didn't say anything that would warrant censorship.

covertanjou

Why was Frick's censored???!!! She didn't say anything wrong.

pip57

Wow.  What have you ladies been doing while I was at work?

konakat

Nothing Mom....  :-)

pip57

LOL

hrf

I didn't even get to read the posts before they were censored. I agree that there are some mean spirited people lurking on this thread, eager to participate in a negative way. This is Canada folks. If you are visiting you don't have to like what you read, but please leave it alone so that the rest of us can read.

mumito

Have you ladies been pissing off the moderators?

barbe1958

(I'm sure this will go quick too!)

Elizabeth, you are way more diplomatic than I am! I would have said:

Dear Moderators:

It looks like a couple of the rich Americans have pulled their heads out of their asses and are picking on the Canadian thread now! They are the ones who don't have to worry about health care but are afraid that their (inherited) money will actually be used to help someone else! They hate to see the fact that we have a system that works and they don't! Surprise! Americans are not the best at everything. A couple things they are good at.....shooting presidents, political sex scandals, gun wars, school shootings, drugs, prostiution, poverty, oh heck, the list goes on and on and I have better things to say on the other threads!

So we know that the ones who "report this post" are the dumb, rich Americans that can't think like the rest of the world does.

Go at it guys, it felt good to type this! (Notice I didn't "violate" your thread to say this....)

Bren-2007

Ahh Geez .. Layne, saw your name again and popped in.  I'm a stalker for intelligence!  I haven't read this thread cause I'm not Canadian. 

It's pretty annoying to have posts "reported" because someone doesn't like what's written.  I posted the other day in one of those threads ... and thought better of it the next day, and deleted it.  Only one person seemed to read it anyway.  Nobody wants to hear how the "poor" are fairing with/without healthcare. 

Barbe .. you made me laugh out loud! 

Thanks for letting me barge in here.

Bren

lewing

Barbe, no offense taken at your post by this American . . . however, per your "dumb, rich" comment: the sad and puzzling fact is, many of the Americans who are most vociferously opposed to health care reform are NOT rich, and would benefit tremendously from it.  The parts of the country with the greatest proportion of uninsured are also the most Republican-leaning.  Strange but true. 

To all my Canadian sisters - just wanted to let you know your country was looking good in the pre-dawn hours this morning: soft violet sky, scattered twinkling lights.  And the next time I see a freighter heading toward Lake Erie, I'm going to load it up with good wishes for the other Linda.

Linda

(Edited to remove a reference that may have been construed as disrespectful by people with itchy "report post" fingers.)

Bren-2007

Lewing .. you are right on the money!  I live in Southern VA.  Right in the heart of the right.  My county is at 23.9% unemployment.  So, no rich folks down here up in arms.  I'm a transplant from San Diego, so I get a pass! 

I was a middleclass person .. but somehow, I'm now in the ... well, somewhere else.

Bren

covertanjou

Good morning everyone!  Welcome to all our new Canadian and American friends.  Everyone is welcome here.

lassie11

Bren - you epitomize the tragedy of the health care reform discussion in the US. Being ill should not cause your finances to change. It just isn't right.

 I have to tell a story. In the early 60s when I was a teenager our family lived in Arlington Virginia. When our posting ended, I told my 15 year old friend that we were leaving and, knowing not to be too specific, said we were going back to Canada. "Where is that?" she asked. "It's a country just north of the US", I told her. "No", she said. She had never heard of it and didn't think it was there. "Yes, it's a country bigger than the US" I told her. She looked surprised and denied that any country was bigger than the US.  When she accepted that there was a country north of the US (I think she had seen too many weather maps where the world ends at the US border), she said, "well, in ten years it will be new US state". 

It seems to me that sort of thinking is what is happening still. Many people who don't live it just plain can't believe that something like universal health care could happen and that it could be a very good thing. Instead, they are willing to believe the propoganda that brings in fears of death panels, rationing, government control (as if there isn't already government control on many other fronts), takeover of the country by I'm not so sure who, and yes, compulsory microchips. Pity.

pip57

It seems to me that it will be difficult to come up with any solution to the American health care problems if the populace cannot even agree that health care should be a human right for all.  That is really the basis of our system.

mke

Does anyone know of a good book about how Canada went to universal health care?  I know about Tommy Douglas, but not just how it happened.

crazy4carrots

PiP:  I'm sure I've related this story before but here it is:  Several years ago I was talking to a young woman from Texas who had just moved to Toronto with her Canadian husband.  She believed that it should be a "you get what you pay for" type of deal and compared healthcare and healthcare insurance to buying a house -- the more you can afford, the bigger house you buy, and why should everyone be relegated to the same kind of house?  Oh, and if you can't afford a house, (or health insurance, I guess) you just simply go without.

So, I'm reminded of this conversation yesterday when reading about an interview between William Shatner and Rush Limbaugh on a show called "Raw Nerve".  Limbaugh said exactly the same thing, comparing healthcare to buying a house.

That seems to be the mindset of many (hmm, maybe not as many as some would have us think) -- what's in your pocketbook seals your fate healthwise.

Linda (aka Lewing):  I'm sending containers full of good wishes to you from Lake Ontario, through the Welland Canal down to Lake Erie, then up the river to Lake St. Clair !

Linda

rinna40

I had a close friend in elementary school and high school whose parents were Lebanese and Egyptian. The were very well off. I was never sure of the details, but I knew that her parents left Lebanon because they feared for their safety. They brought their money with them. We had a conversation in our early teens during which she stated with absolute certainty that poor people were poor because they didn't want to work. Now, I didn't grow up poor either, but my mom had grown up as a Czeck refugee. She aways reminded me that circumstance is not always under someones control. I couldn't believe that someone could believe that ALL poor disadvantage people around the world were in that situation because of something lacking in them. My belief then and now is that we have so many poor and disadvantaged because there is something lacking in  the population as a whole. What I find baffling about some American point of view is this: They enjoy the american identity of a nation that extends it's hand to other nations in need, yet blames members it its own population for their plight. BTW, my childhood friend continues to live off the family money and alimony, has had some jobs here and there, but in now way has payed her way. 

crazy4carrots

Rinna, I find it baffling too -- but I also find it baffling that we in Canada have so many living in poverty.  It just shouldn't be.

Layne, thanks for the info about that book -- I must see if our library has it.  BTW, has anyone purchased a "used" book from Amazon, and if so, was it in good condition?