organic coffee

sdstarfish

organic coffee

sdstarfish

Not sure if this is the right place to post this question...but is organic coffee ok? I mean after chemo is through? I've read that it's good for your liver.

jazzydazzy2

I wish to get more info on the link between coffee and mastitic breasts having more and harder nodules when one drinks coffee- I have not read any evidence yet that organic coffee reduces this problem- Please more info on how coffee might be good for the liver??  On the contrary I heard that coffee is one of the hardest thing for the liver to process, as long as 24 hrs processing for coffee- Are there other foods that take as long liver processing? Thanks for any founded evidence on these questions!

Rosemary44

Coffee is supposedly protective for us from getting a liver disease.  I've switched to decaf because it tasted better.  I'm afraid to read what it takes to get the caffeine out, and since I don't want to know, I'm mostly drinking green tea now.   Just search coffee and liver disease and you'll get a 100 hit sites.

TenderIsOurMight

Hi, I just found this post.



Organic coffee. I wonder if that implies a less harsh extraction process (less chemicals), or the coffee beans are derived from a pesticide free farm? I don't know, but if I'm going to continue on with my morning eye opener, I'm going to have to find organic beans.



As to the link between coffee and breasts, hard evidence: coffee is phytoestrogenic (PE), especially (gulp) strong coffee. Phytoestrogens are dietary products which chemically resemble estrogen and hence are able to act as estrogen substitutes. So where estrogen goes, so goes phytoestrogens.



And since estrogen stimulates the breast, so does PE coffee. Hence is felt the connection between it and breast swelling/fibrocystic/lumpy breasts.



You know, I've wondered about this connection for years, having always been told to cut down on my coffee consumption for my fibrocystic breasts. But I never knew until recently that coffee (and tea, although weaker) are chemically similar in their structure to estrogen.



I don't know about the protective effect of coffee on the liver: I could postulate that the liver which is so filled with estrogen processing enzymes, may have less circulating estrogen exposure/metabolism in the presence of coffee, and more coffee phytoestrogen exposure which is a weaker estrogen, and hence be less prone to being ramped up all the time. But that's not hard science. Maybe I'll look around on this...



All the best ladies,

Tender

TenderIsOurMight

Yes, MAMHOP, that is precisely what I understood for years. The caffeine stimulated a path called cyclic AMP (cAMP), a phosphorylation path of energy, and some how this played a role in breast cell stimulation and states like fibrocystic breasts.



Now, however, looking at the similarity between the chemical structure of estrogen and phytoestrogens, newer research suggests that strong coffee containing PE's may actually be a contributing problem. I did not bookmark the article regrettably, but probably will come across it again.



This really surprised me, but it makes sense in my mind.



Tender

SueTacoma

Hi Tender,

Do you think ER+ BC survivor should stay away from coffee?  How about green tea?

Thanks.

Sue

TenderIsOurMight

Hi Sue,



No, I don't really think we need to avoid them. The big time phytoestrogenic agents are Soy, Tofu, Flax, and curiously Seseme weights in high too. As we've discussed on other threads, even Flax may be a phytoestrogen that is proven to be more beneficial than not with more research. But for now, that is what I'm electing not to eat.



Coffee is more potent in the phytoestrogen world than tea, and the stronger the cup, undoubtedly the more the potency (I too date have liked mine stronge. So, I probably will change to less strong.



Green tea, from almost all studies is beneficial in breast cancer, perhaps even on a cellular level. And the amount of phytoestrogen in it is small, way low.



So, no, in moderation I think both coffee and (especially) green tea can be enjoyed with gusto.



What would the world do without these time honored eye openers?



Tender

sdstarfish

I see what you are saying about the phytoestrogens....but then flax is also one, and it does great things in keeping breasts healthy.

Anonymous

I love coffee but have switched to mostly tea ... coffee here and there but not daily anymore.