Where are the tri-negs!
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I am a lurker, so it takes me a long time to read enough posts to get oriented. As a triple negative, I read most of the posts in this thread today.
Indigoblue, I can't imagine how discouraged you are over being denied more aggressive treatment when you wanted it. I also had the stabbing pain, and knew it was a myth that "if it hurts, it isn't cancer." Interesting how you were told to start counting your NED time. I didn't have chemo, so wouldn't know when to begin, according to your onc. I guess I'll use second surgery date, since all tests then are NED. As a friend of mine would say, anywhooooo, congrats on the 2 years NED!!!
Squids - you are an inspiration! I am just now getting enough energy back that I think I can help put together a directory of local resources for women with BC in our little rural community. When I asked for them when I needed them, I was told by the hospital and clinic they didn't have any information, and to please let them know if I heard of anything, and I thought, yeah, right. Hold your breath for about a year and I'll get back with you on that. We got a grant to help cover some of the expenses.
The discussion of followup schedule for us triple negs was interesting. I would think there would be a standard protocol depending on our particulars - node involvement, etc. I also wanted PET and other scans to make sure I didn't have any NED. My onc and surgeon both said they didn't order them unless there was a reason, and they didn't think there was a reason in my case. I guess I was looking for certainty in what I'm learning is a world without it. So what I've been learning is how to live in that world rather than in the world I was in before, when I had the illusion of certainty. I've come to learn that all I had to give up was the illusion that I had any control -- I didn't really have any control to give up.
That said, there is still the matter of having responsibility for some things, which include trying to eat well, get enough sleep, exercise, and make good choices when I have the opportunity to make them. For me, that included the opportunity to be able to change jobs, even though I had previously felt that I was being held hostage to a job in order to keep health insurance. That has to be one of the most stressful things we go through - having a job with health insurance, and worrying about how to keep the job if we can't work every day.
I don't always feel that I am making good decisions - a lot of the time I still feel foggy and fatigued. I was really tired a lot before I had my diagnosis (even though I was told that wasn't "normal" I don't necessarily believe that.) It is a 5-hour trip for me to see my doctors, and I'm on a 3-month followup schedule for the first 2 years. My third (I think) followup appointment is July 14. I manage to get appointments with my surgeon, oncologist, and doctor at the women's imaging center all on the same day. I have exams and blood work, and in between the last 3-mo exams had a right-side (non-C side) mammo and ultrasound due to some rather lumpy concerns which turned out to be okay. Will have 6-mo mammo on the c-side in July.
Now I'm wondering, if I see all these docs, maybe I should stagger them, so I'm seeing the onc and imaging on the 3- mo. and 6-mo schedule, and see the surgeon in between time. I guess the answer depends on whether I want an additional visit to stress over, or an additional visit to give me peace of mind. (Kinda like the basic question about the nature of the universe, isn't it?)
Also, I'm even wondering whether I need to call the onc and get in sooner. I've had increasing amount of pain on the left side - under the arm, under the breast, and in the nipple area, near where the surgery was. This is different from the pain that I had after surgery, during healing, and again when that side started "waking up" after radiation. More like the pain I had in the cancerous "lump" - (what a benign name for something so malignant!) It comes and goes, like the original tumor pain, so I don't know how to apply the rule about something that lasts for more than two weeks.
I made up my mind after the last 3-mo. checkup (which was also after a round of exams by gyn, the genetic testing, etc. which meant I was seeing someone at least once a month for 6 months immediately after rads was done) that I was going to live like I'd never had cancer -- not wake up and think about it every morning, and not allow it to control my life. which I did pretty well with until this pain started getting worse. Most of the problem in that area so far have been attributed to surgery and rads. I hope this is more of that -- but it's really hard to sort out when we have to also be vigilant. I think there are new little knots there, but hard to tell.
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Tam2003,
How was your cancer to the bone detected?
thanks,
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I am officially finished with treatment. Had my final rads last Friday. Will see my docs again in September for bloodwork and scans.
It is good to be finished, but it feels kinda like riding your bike w/o training wheels for the first time. I haven't quite got the hang of this and it feels strange...
Take care, Paula
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RN2teach great news. I hope you get to do something great to celebrate. It does feel strange getting your life back.
But my update is...back in treatment for the fouth time in three years. Had a recurrences of IBC on right and left chest wall and neck area. Start Gemzar, Carbo and Avastin for the 2nd time. Please let this combo work again and soon.
Flalady
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FloridaLady. Are you doing Budwig diet? Still doing alt. treatments along with chemo?
Just curious.
I'm praying for you. (seriously)
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Praying for fllady!
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Congrats rn2. I have 6 more radiaions tx and can't wait to be done. time to get on with things.
hugs laurel
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Paula:
I a new to this site - but I think that your follow up plan sounds good. I finished my chemo in May and go for my first PET scan this month (July). Then go for physical follow up every 3 months for three years with a mamo every 6 months. I had my tumor and nodes removed and then a left breast mastectomy - my only treatment was chemo. I also have MS so the neuropathy in my feet was an issue at first - but as I get stronger it seems that I can walk better I also just started yoga which helps with movement.
I don't mean to sound stupid - I am sure it is the chemo brain - what does NEDS mean?
Also - when is the best time to have the port removed? Since it is implanted in my right breast I can't imagine having a mamogram with it in.
Thanks in advance for any response - I am learning a lot by just reading everyones posts
Sue
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Thanks everyone for your support, and especially the prayers. I have a tumor you can see on my skin of my right shoulder. It now has turned black and is drying out. I hope this is a good thing. My chest wall and right arm is still pretty red. Hey it was a deep purple. Again, hope these are all good signs this stuff is working. (I also have it right around my port on the left side. How can chemo go right in next to the cancer and it not treat it???) I have suffered with pretty aggressive neuropathy from my nightmare treatment at MD Anderson. I'm going to ask the doctor this Thursday before treatment, if we can stop the Carbo, my hand's and feet are getting really bad fast. I know I shouldn't, but quality of life is important to me. I live alone, and the I'm almost to the point I can't drive again. This suck's because I feel really good. I'm not having any side effects at all so far.... Working full time! I am so happy I got six months off from treatment to rebulid my body.
mamafig,
I will not do a lot of alternative stuff for the first few chemo's. I want it to get into my system, but I still take some of my vitamen's and supplement's regularly, except I stop two days before chemo and then I wait three days after chemo. I have not tried the Budwig Diet because it is more for hormone positive bc. I do use ground flex seed in my juices that I blend in a blender not a juicer. I will be in and out of chemo's for a while (maybe forever??) so I take the risk with my alt. stuff to rebuilted my blood and protect my immune system. I did this in over the past three years and was able to work pretty much full time through all my treatment. My mind set is....if my supplements can turn off three chemos they can't be doing that much for me any way. The key to living with Stage IV cancer is too, maintain a good weight and keep the blood health as long as you can, also do not loss a lot of bone and muscle mass. I try to stay ahead of what the chemo is doing to my body, but not so far ahead that I turn these chemo's off completely.
Living in hope,
Flalady
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Hello! After a year out of my initial treatment, and "cancer free" I found two small lumps -- one in my arm and one close to the skin surface over my rib. they were both breast cancer and triple neg. I was scans and have lung mets and two small bone lesions. I started chemo in this order: Taxol, Taxol/Zometa, then Taxol Avastin. I did Ok on the first weekly dose of Taxol, terrible with the Zometa (they took me off Z), then white cells so low that the third week was cancelled. I started a second round: last week Taxol/Avastin, then today, just Taxol. In between I have had two terrible bronchitis attacks and one UTI. I am still on antibiotics. The infections robbed all my energy and humor and only today do I feel anything like myself. So it is no picnic.
bellabell
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I'm so sorry bellabell you are having such a hard time. Treatment bad enough without adding anything else to mix. Hopefully that you stop Zometa, you will start feeling better.
Saying a quick prayer for you that thing get BETTER right away for you.
Flalady
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Dearest Bellabell,,,,this is veryone's worst fear...I am coming up on my one year in Sept and am living in dread....I am sending my love and gentle hugs and will be watching this thread for your progress...
-H
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can someone send details on the Budwig diet????
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Hi......
I'm triple negative and on Sept. 9th will be a 4 year survivor! There is hope, honest it does get better.
Michele
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Holly,
cancertutor.com has some good info. on Budwig diet.
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Hi all,
FlaLady and BellaBell: you two are in my thoughts and prayers. May your treatments go well and your next reports be good ones!
Michele- congrats on your upcoming 4th anniversary!
Mamafig- thanks for the link. I noticed comments about the Budwig diet, but know nothing about it. Will check that out.
Sue (Flaes)- NED = No evidence of disease. I'll be praying that your scans this month are NED!
I am doing well after treatment. Still a good bit of stiffness and leg pain at night, but tolerable. My hair is about an inch long--scalp is finally covered (yeah!). My dh's brain cancer is back after being 2 years NED. He is in a clinical trial at Duke (NC). So far, so good-- learned last week that the meds are working and his tumors are shrinking. Praise God!
Please know that I'm watching this thread and keeping my TN sisters in my prayers. Take care, Paula
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Paula,
I notice you mention Duke...are you being treated there also? I thinking about getting a possible consult there with the head of radiaiton about my imflammatory bc. How do you like them?
Flalady
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Hi all!
My wife starts her chemo on Thursday, 23rd at PMH, Toronto. Three times FEC and then three times Taxotere. And then, somewhen in November - the surgery, then, if needed, radiation.
She's 31, we have two boys - 6 and 3 y.o.
Good luck to all of you.
- Yan
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leprechaun,
Welcome to you and your lucky wife. (For having a husband out in front clearing the way for her.)I hope she will do well in treatment. Make sure she see the "Tip for chemo shopping list" on the chemo thread. There is some very good information that she could head off some discomfort before it happens.
Flalady
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Flalady,
Thanks for the advice. Unfortunately, I couldn't find this "shopping list". Can you throw a link at me, please?
Thnx.
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http://community.breastcancer.org/forum/69/topic/706846?page=3#idx_61\
Hopefully this will work for you. I will go and bump the thread to the top for you also. See Chemo before after during section if not.
flalady
I see the thread but it will not post....
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Hello Ladies,
I am new to this site. I want to thank all of you who post here, the info is so helpful. I was diagnosed with BC on May 27, 2008. I had a lumpectomy on June 23, my tumor was 1.1 cm, stage 1, 1/14 nodes positive, ER-, PR focally positve 20%, Her2/neu-. According to my onc 20%+ is not good enough so that means I am triple negative. I noticed that most of you who have started chemo are having A/C. I start my treatments on July 31st and will be having TC x 4...has anyone else had TC for triple negative bc? I think the A/C would have a bad effect on my heart.
God Bless Ladies!
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ladybug, I will pray for your son, my daughter is in Qatar and will return home in nine weeks. I start my chemo on July 31st...do you know what type of chemo you are having? It appears that most on the site are having AC/T. I am having TC Taxotere/Cytoxan. I am hoping to get some feedback from other TN's who have had this treatment. My prayers are with you, we will get through this!
Jeris
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Flalady- We go to the brain tumor center at Duke. The treatment there is excellent. I have thought about pursuing a consult for myself there... I understand there's a female doc, Lisa Carey, who is doing a lot of research on TN.
Welcome, Yan, and best wishes to your wife as she begins chemo.
Jeriss- I am active in the "Jan. 2008-ain't it great" thread. I believe there are a dozen TNs there. Several had the TC combo. There's also a thread "Anyone on just taxotere and cytoxan?" that you might want to check out. Good luck to you as you start treatment.
Paula
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Flalady, unfortunately, the link doesn't work. Thanks for the effort.
Paula, thanks for the wishes!
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Paula,
I have read a lot of your post, we are blessed to have your insight. Shortly after I posted my comments here I found another TC forum on this site. I really would like to know how effective TC may be for triple negative cancers. I am ready to be as aggressive as possible with my treatment, so I just want to be as sure as I can of my decision. I did find a Cancer News Article that compared TC to AC as adjuvant therapy at professional.cancerconsultants.com/oncology.
Florida Lady...I have read a lot of your post as well, you are such an inspiration...stay strong!
Jeris
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Oh, I forgot , tomorrow I get an arm port...anyone know what I should expect? Just a little anxious.
Thanks,
Jeris
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I didn't even know there was a tri-neg board until I searched for UTI's. I started my TC treatments on July 15, getting ready for the 2nd 1 on Tuesday.
I didn't get an arm port, so I can't help with that question. I only have 4 treatments, so I think that may be why. Not sure though.
The UTI was the worst thing I experienced through the first treatment, I did have some lower abdomen pain which was tolerable & I was run down about 3 days out of the whole 2 weeks. I feel really normal now - except for a little light bleeding. Anyone else get that?
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Hi Sherry,
I got my port yesterday...not bad. I am having 4 TX's of T/C too, but my veins are small and this will help with the additional blood draws. I have my first treatment next Thursday. I was told that it would be 4 hours for the first and 3 hours for the others. If you have any tips I truly would appreciate them, I am new to this board and there is a lot of good information as well as a lot of lovely people here, so welcome. I hope your UTI is under control, I haven't had one since I was in my early twenties, but when I did cranberry juice always worked. Good luck with your second treatment.
Jeris
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