Only in Canada eh? Reconstruction

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  • asicsgirl
    asicsgirl Member Posts: 18
    edited July 2008

    Hi sorry for the late response. I only check this site once every few months. I went to see this surgeon a year before I knew I wanted it. My oncologist wanted me to wait two years before getting reconstructions as I was a stage 2. Once my oncologist gave me the referral it was only a matter of a month to see him and then he even said he would be able to do it within four months but I had to wait another year anyways. I heard the waiting times in Ottawa are longer now but it is definitely worth the wait.good luck.

  • pinoideae
    pinoideae Member Posts: 1,271
    edited October 2008

    Hello all,

    I had a pedicle tram on June 16/08.  KiKi I am sorry to hear about your complications, and hope all is resolved now.

    I love my tram.  I am still healing.  Wearing a full control girdle to support the reconstruction to my abdomin and will continue this until the end of July, after that I will switch to a medium support and then light support to gradually phase myself/tummy muscles out of support.  (Also, the girdle is not to go above my new belly button).  I was told  all I can do is walk pretty well (so I took that to mean no lifting, other than my coffee cup of course, no cleaning, no mowing, no vacuuming).  I am not able to go to work until July 28/08.  The ps gave me tape to put on the scars for support (I think nexcare makes it) and I replace it every 2 or 3 days.  I take long walks now.  Three weeks out and everything is healing nicely.   

  • BMac
    BMac Member Posts: 650
    edited July 2008

    I had a bilat mast on Apr 30.  Couldn't start recon right away due to radiation.  Surgeon says I have to wait two years to make sure there's no recurrence.  I asked my family doctor for a referral to Dr. Khanna here in Oakville.  My husband saw her in Oakville hospital emerg almost 9 years ago and I was very impressed with her.  She has an amazing personality.  She is a plastic surgeon with a cosmetic surgery practice but breast recon is her favourite thing to do.  She has a two year waiting list (for OR time) so that works out perfectly.  I see her for a consultation of August 7th.  Can't wait!

  • pinoideae
    pinoideae Member Posts: 1,271
    edited July 2008

    Let us know how your consult goes.

  • BMac
    BMac Member Posts: 650
    edited July 2008

    Will do, just two and a half weeks now!

  • BMac
    BMac Member Posts: 650
    edited August 2008

    So I had my consult with Dr. Khanna today so I'm reporting back as promised.  She's a great doctor and so honest and upfront.  Told me different options, could do this, could do that.  We were talking about a tram flap but she was concerned about the site of my appendectomy (from when I was 15...who'd a thought it would be an issue now) with regards to blood supply.  Then she said, no, she wouldn't do a tram on me because I had radiation on my entire abdominal area when I had ovarian cancer.

    Her next suggestion was the one where they use the tissue in your back....dorsal something?  She said she would send me to PMH...used to be Dr. Lipa, but now would be her replacement.  Anyone familiar with this procedure or this doc?  She also mentioned the possibility of using expanders and implants (or is this part of the the dorsal?...I can't remember!).

    Anyway, she is referring me to PMH, my home away from home, so I'm sure I'll be in good hands and will get all the info at that time.

  • BMac
    BMac Member Posts: 650
    edited August 2008

    So now I'm starting to feel sorry for myself.  I was so looking forward to today's appointment.  Now I feel like I've had cold water poured over my hopes.  The only reason I haven't been depressed about the bilat was because I knew I could have reconstruction.  Now I'm wondering what other problems my previous surgeries and cancer will cause.  Damn the appendectomy; Damn the ovarian cancer.

    Any GTA ladies out there who can help me with my above post?

  • Maryiz
    Maryiz Member Posts: 975
    edited August 2008

    BMac, what about an IGAP or SGAP.  They look great and scars can be hidden in your undies. Mary

  • BMac
    BMac Member Posts: 650
    edited August 2008

    Maryiz, I'm not familiar with those procedures.  How do they work?

  • Beesie
    Beesie Member Posts: 12,240
    edited August 2008

    Barbara, I didn't have a enough tummy fat for a DIEP or TRAM so I discussed the possibility of an IGAP with Dr. Lipa.  Basically, an IGAP uses the fat from under your butt (I definitely have enough of that!) and an SGAP uses the fat from the top of your butt.  I decided to go with implants instead so I can't tell you any more, but here is a website that explains both those surgeries.  

    http://www.mdanderson.org/diseases/BreastCancer/reconstruction/     Click on "Tissue Based Reconstruction" down the left hand side.  The S-GAP and I-GAP are explained under "Breast Reconstruction with Alternate Flaps".  In the tissue-based reconstruction section, you'll also find information about "Breast Reconstruction with the LD Flap" - that's the latissimus dorsal flap reconstruction that's been recommended to you.

    I did go to Dr. Lipa but unfortunately can't help you out with any information about her replacement.  Because my reconstruction is done and I only required minimal follow-up, I was referred to a different PS. 

  • BMac
    BMac Member Posts: 650
    edited August 2008

    Thanks, Beesie this was very helpful.  The other thing Dr. Khanna mentioned to me is that I'm so tiny.  Anyway, it's nice to know there are other alternatives.   I was just so disappointed because I so wanted her to do the surgery but she doesn't do latissimus dorsal flap.  I was looking forward to having the surgery near home....but PMH is like home too and I'm sure I'll be getting the best of care.

  • Maryiz
    Maryiz Member Posts: 975
    edited August 2008

    BMac, with the IGAP or SGAP, they take fat from your hinny.  The IGAP is neat because the scar is hidden in the crease of the bottom of your tush.  You also get a sculpted tush in the end so it matches.  I think it's a great alternative, maybe even better than the lat flap.  I just don't know the medical end of it as far as tissue.  If you go to the breast center web site at NOLA you can see pictures.  They are great.  Take care, Mary

  • BMac
    BMac Member Posts: 650
    edited August 2008

    Hmmm, a butt lift.  I'd hoped for a tummy tuck but this could be just as good!  Just trying to look for the silver lining and I think I've just found it.  Thanks, Mary, for your insight.

  • Maryiz
    Maryiz Member Posts: 975
    edited August 2008
    BMac, I don't mind helping at all.  Playboy is calling. Love, Mary
  • gibby
    gibby Member Posts: 105
    edited September 2008

    Hi BMac!  I to had a mastectomy in April. I was reading about your problems with surgeries, etc. and I just had to sign up to talk to you. I live 2 hours from Oakville but I am going to have reconstructive surgery there because I found Dr. Stephen Brown and he is great. I am have implants put in because I am also very tiny and I have had previous surgeries that won't allow for a tram. I highly recommend Dr. Brown, he has a wonderful bedside manner and he has explained all of my options latissimus dorsal flap. I really don't have enough there for that proceedure either. Anyway you might like to talk to him as he came highly recommended from a few of the nurses at Oakville hospital who have had work done on themselves by him.

  • BMac
    BMac Member Posts: 650
    edited September 2008

    Thanks Gibby.  That's interesting because when I went to my family doctor to ask for the referral to Dr. Khanna she asked me had I considered Dr. Brown.  I hadn't heard of him before but said sure but I never got a call about the referral ever being done.  I need to see my family doc in the next little while so I will definitely ask for a referral.  I really respect my family doctor's opinion and now hearing from you this seems like the next step to take.

    Let me know how you get on.  My surgeon wants me to wait two years due to the chance of recurrence but I want to have everything in place so I'm ready to go when the time comes.  I would be so thrilled to be able to have the surgery done in Oakville.  I think that the nurses at the hospital would know who the best surgeons are.

  • SueG
    SueG Member Posts: 17
    edited September 2008

    Hey everyone

    Just putting in my 5cents worth.  I had a mastectomy on Aug. 25 with a tissue expander and it has been going very well so far.  For all you Toronto and area women,my plastic surgeon is Brent Beber and he is great.  Very personable and neat work.  I'd be happy to share tissue expander experience with any contemplating this kind of reconstruction.

    Sue

  • BMac
    BMac Member Posts: 650
    edited October 2008

    Thanks Sue, I'll keep that in mind once I know what kind of surgery I'm going to have.  It's always good to "speak" to someone who's gone through it.

  • gibby
    gibby Member Posts: 105
    edited October 2008

    Hey Sue!

    I'm going to have an expander put in and implants on both sides. Does the expander cause alot of pain when you have it filled? How long did they tell you it would take to be ready for an implant?

  • SueG
    SueG Member Posts: 17
    edited October 2008

    Hi all

    Gibby: I had my tissue expander put in with 60cc of fill immediately i.e. at the same time as my mastectomy.  It was uncomfortable for about two weeks - felt very tight and hard - and then gradually eased off.  I had my first fill at three weeks but it was only 25cc.  I had my second at five weeks, also 25 cc.  Neither of these fills was in any way painful.  The breast felt a little tight afterwards but nothing horrible.  We are doing this gradually because my breast was radiated with my first diagnosis 14 years ago and sometimes radiated skin does not stretch so well, hence the gradual fills.  I am not big breasted on the other side so it shouldn't take so long and to be honest I don't mind waiting.  In the US they do big fills - 150 cc etc and I can't imagine that kind of experience.  Where are you having yours done?

    Sue

  • gibby
    gibby Member Posts: 105
    edited October 2008

    Hi Sue!

    I don't know when I'm having my expander put in. I am on "The List". You were smart to have yours done at the time of surgery because now it is a waiting game. I'm really small busted so I will have to have implants on both sides to even things out. I don't mind, it will be the boobies I never had. I was a little concerned that my doctor said it would only take 6 weeks to expand my skin enough for the implants but I guess he knows what he is doing. Anyway, hopefully it will happen sooner than later. Thanks for your information.

  • pinoideae
    pinoideae Member Posts: 1,271
    edited October 2008

    What kind of implants are you canadian gals going to get?

  • Beesie
    Beesie Member Posts: 12,240
    edited October 2008

    I have Inamed 410s, with an extra high profile implant on the reconstructed side and a low profile implant added into my natural breast on the other side.  These are the true gummies, which means that they are firmer than the silicone implants that our America sisters get but they have no squishiness and no natural movement.  On the upside, they are anatomical in shape so they result in a more natural shape and they are the safest of the silicones.

  • pinoideae
    pinoideae Member Posts: 1,271
    edited October 2008

    Hmm, thanks for the info Beesie.  I am thinking I may get the gummie implants too.  Are they inserted behind the muscle?  Mine are going to be inserted behind the muscle.

  • pinoideae
    pinoideae Member Posts: 1,271
    edited October 2008

    I have been torn between gummie and saline.  Trying to find health info.  I have read the saline are supposed to be safest, but I think the outer shell is made of silicone in the saline implants?  The outer shell in the gummie implants are supposed to be stronger?

  • Beesie
    Beesie Member Posts: 12,240
    edited October 2008

    Yes, the outer shell of saline implants is made of silicone.  With the gummy, it's not the outer shell that is stronger, it's that the cohesiveness of the gel that's firmer.  It's called a gummy because the consistency resembles that of a gummy bear candy.  It's not solid and can be squeezed but if you cut it in half, both halves stay intact with no leaking.

    Here are pictures, first of standard silicone implants (often called cohesive gels but they are less cohesive than gummies; these are what's available in the U.S.), then true gummies (available in Canada, Europe, Australia... pretty much everywhere except the U.S.) and last, a gummy that's been cut:

    http://www.drteitelbaum.com/cohesivebreastimplants_6.html

    http://www.drteitelbaum.com/cohesivebreastimplants_7.html

    http://www.cohesiveimplants.com/

    Edited to add:  Yes, mine is behind the muscle.  Most reconstruction implants are behind the muscle - I can only think of one person who said that hers was in front of the muscle and that was a re-do.

  • pinoideae
    pinoideae Member Posts: 1,271
    edited October 2008

    This is the final stage of reconstruction for me.  I am confident now, I will go with the gummie bear implants.  Thanks Beesie. 

  • BMac
    BMac Member Posts: 650
    edited November 2008

    Just an update.   Gibby you recommended Dr. Stephen Brown and I assume you've had your surgery.  I finally got to my family doctor for a referral and she said I should phone his office to see if he does the lattisimus.  Well, apparently, he doesn't do recon at all anymore.  I hope that you were able to get your surgery.

  • jennypooh
    jennypooh Member Posts: 1
    edited November 2008

    I lost my mother 11 years ago and now this April i have lost my sister to breast cancer.

    I can say that the Hamilton Cancer centre has been great. My sis and i went for genetic testing almost 2 years ago and results came to late for her she was 39. Our mom was 47.

    But i carry the same cancer gene as them so i went for my hysterectomy and now they want to do the masectomy with implants and the expander. What my question is have any of you had Dr.Dalcin here in Hamilton for your doctor and how was the surgery.?

    I am 30 years old and i am terrified. Tell me what i can be in for ladies, all the input u give me will be great. I am just really lucky i have the chance to beat cancer. The surgery's i had and getting is all for prevention..

    Jennifer

  • AQUA
    AQUA Member Posts: 5
    edited November 2008

    I had a mastectomy a few years ago.   Sick of wearing a prothesis I decided to get reconstruction with Dr. Nicholas Guay of Ottawa.  I was obviously dealing with a lot at the time, but because of his kind words, I decided to trust him.   He gave me an implant on the breast removed and a mastoplexi on the other.  I am very upset with the results.   The implant is as hard as a rock and the mastoplexi was not what I thought.   That breast that was still beautiful (and perky) is now a war zone because of what he has done to me.  He messed up and kknows it.  I don;'t understand why he did surgery to a perfect breast.   He should have done the reconstruction first, and then a second surgery to make both look the same.   Now I have one hard perky implant and one droopy breast.  NO JOKE.    I am so embarassed at what he has done to me, that I have yet to show anyone.   I want to get it fixed, but don't trust him.  Anyone know what I can do??   My oncologist does not think that I should wast my time worrying about my breasts when I have more important issues. 

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