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Info Regarding Chemo Treatment

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  • StrongGirl
    StrongGirl Member Posts: 2
    edited June 2008

    Hi, I am a newcomer. Dx 4/08 with triple negative BC, IDC , Stage I T2N0M0. My chemo is 6 cycle AC + Taxotere. Is this standard Chemo for you ladies here with Triple negative BC.

    Thanks!

    Be-Strong!

  • FloridaLady
    FloridaLady Member Posts: 2,155
    edited June 2008

    Welcome StrongGirl,

    That's the chemo I got first time around also.  I think it is still pretty standard treatment for triple neg.

    Flalady

  • Rovergirl
    Rovergirl Member Posts: 194
    edited June 2008

    StrongGirl -

    I'm a triple neg. with ILC and my treatment plan calls for 27 weeks of chemo, surgery and then 6-7 weeks of radiation.  I'm participating in a clinical trial and my chemo schedule is 12 weekly infusions of taxol with a daily pill of sunitinib (an investigational drug), followed by 15 weekly infusions of AC. 

    My treatment facility feels pretty strongly of benefits of the weekly infusions.  They feel when you give the patient time to recover between treatments that you are also giving the cancer cells time to recover.  So they give smaller more consistant doses of the chemo drugs that the patient can tolerate and the cancer cells can't. 

    Probably more information then you wanted but there you have it, not all treatment plans are created equal.

  • Rovergirl
    Rovergirl Member Posts: 194
    edited June 2008

    StrongGirl -

    I'm a triple neg. with ILC and my treatment plan calls for 27 weeks of chemo, surgery and then 6-7 weeks of radiation.  I'm participating in a clinical trial and my chemo schedule is 12 weekly infusions of taxol with a daily pill of sunitinib (an investigational drug), followed by 15 weekly infusions of AC. 

    My treatment facility feels pretty strongly of benefits of the weekly infusions.  They feel when you give the patient time to recover between treatments that you are also giving the cancer cells time to recover.  So they give smaller more consistant doses of the chemo drugs that the patient can tolerate and the cancer cells can't. 

    Probably more information then you wanted but there you have it, not all treatment plans are created equal.

  • Meggy
    Meggy Member Posts: 530
    edited July 2008

    Hi Stornggirl, that sounds good to me...I actually had only 4 A/C and recently begged for 2 more...then I had taxol a cousin to Taxotere...I've heard of lots of triple negs doing well with Taxotere and I'm goin on that next.

     I had one question...with the 6 a/c do you know are you getting 60 each time with a cumulative dose of 360?  Can you ask your oncologist for me or are you gettting less each time?

    Is it every 2 weeks (dose dense) I do believe that is a good way to go.

     -Meg

  • CalGal
    CalGal Member Posts: 469
    edited July 2008

    When dx'd with recurr bc, liver mets and likey kidney cancer, my then-HMO wanted to do 4 AC and then 4 Taxol.   I did a ton of research and decided that I wanted to do dose dense AC instead of regular and then get scans BEFORE starting Taxotere instead of Taxol.   My onc agreed.  

    I responded great to dd AC (recurr bc gone and 4 liver mets shrunk in size).  I then did 2 more AC and the 4 liver mets shrunk to 2 smaller ones.  Radio-frequency ablation (RFA) finished them off!

    You can certainly find out your dose of Adriamycin from your onc.  It depends on your height & weight.  

    Despite being NED, I then did Taxotere & Carboplatin.

    Best to you.

    CalGal 

  • jason222
    jason222 Member Posts: 70
    edited July 2008

    Hi CalGal,

    I'm wondering what was your first treatment plan when firstly diagnosed with bc? ...and why taxotere instead of taxol?

  • slanderson
    slanderson Member Posts: 152
    edited July 2008

    Hello,

    I got 6 cycles of TAC.  I just reached my 3rd anniversay last week, however, I thought that they now were not giving Adriamyacin because of the potential heart damage.  Am I wrong?

    Shannon

  • pinoideae
    pinoideae Member Posts: 1,271
    edited July 2008

    CMF (cylclophosphamide, methotrexate and fluorouracil) started out with high dose.

    If you have CMF, you'll have a total of six cycles of treatment. Each cycle lasts 14 days and is repeated every 4 weeks. So that's a total of six months of treatment. On days 1 and 8 of each cycle you'll have an injection of methotrexate and 5-fluorouracil (also called 5-FU) at the out-patient clinic. You can have an injection of cyclophosphamide at the same time, or you can take a cyclophosphamide tablet each day for the first 14 days of each cycle.

    Main side effects

    • Nausea
    • Tiredness
    • Mouth ulcers
    • Infections
    • Diarrhoea
    • Some hair loss
    • Loss of fertility

    I took the cylcophosphamide myself at home.  And, I made sure I never missed a dose either.  They called it the sandwich because I had CMF for 3 months radiation 5 weeks, then boost 1 week, CMF for 3 months.  (Most of the time my neutrifils were low and had to wait 1 week before I could start the next treatment).

  • Tonya36
    Tonya36 Member Posts: 66
    edited July 2008

    Hey slanderson,

     I went to my onc for the first time yesterday.  He has recently (within the past few months) changed his tx plan to Taxotere/Carboplatin x6.  He said that at the San Antonio Breast Cancer Symposium last Dec. it was said that the "A" drugs do not have a benefit for the her2neu negatives and this TC cocktail has been working for the her2neu positives so they think this is the way to go.  He says the benefit is that there is no heart damage or leukemia in later years that the "A" drugs have been linked to.  All this is great but I am having trouble locating anything on the internet about it.  I have found where it "looks" positive or it "may" be a positive drug.  I am terrified to start it not knowing what the outcome might be.  He told me I can take the Epirubicin/Cytoxan x4 then the Taxotere x12 if I want but he thinks that the Taxotere/Carboplatin is just as agressive without some of the side effects.  I am confused but he seems to believe in what he says but yet says it is my choice.  Its hard to just put your life in something you have no proof of.  All the survivor stories on here include Adriamycin.  Anyway....I know I rambled but I just wanted you to know that some oncs are not using this class of drugs. 

    Tonya

  • CalGal
    CalGal Member Posts: 469
    edited July 2008

    Jason -

    I was first dx'd with bc in 9/2004 ... as a 4-1/2 month newlywed wanting kids.   My tumor was 2.2 cm.  Unfortunately, I gave too much credit to Dr. Susan Love's book at the time (no real info on triple negatives).   All of the rec'dtns were for tumors over 2 cm to be treated with chemo.  I thought for .2 cm  I didn't want to possibly lose my fertility.   Thus, I decided that if my SNB was clear, I wouldn't do chemo - and if there was node involvement, I would do chemo.   There was no node involvement!   During that surgery I had bi-lat lump's and then 38x rad'tn on the invasive side.

    NO MEDICAL PROFESSIONAL EVER SAID THAT BC CAN SPREAD DIRECTLY THRU THE BLOOD - EVEN WITH CLEAR LYMPH NODES!   (Which is why now, I make a big point of mentioning that).

    A year later, I had recurr bc - but that mamm was misread, and I discovered the lump 2 mos later.  We're now at 12/05.  I again pushed for a CT scan and finally got it ... and more than I ever feared - bc mets to the liver and unrelated likely kidney cancer.

    My onc wanted to do AC every three weeks and then immediately 4 Taxol and scans after the 8 treatments.  Based on my research, I did 4 dose dense AC instead and then had a scan - and an outside opinion.  Due to the major shrinkage and the outside opinion at a major cancer center, I then did 2 more AC and had scans again   Then I took a break for RFA of my liver mets (another huge fight with my then-HMO). 

    Instead of doing Taxol alone per my onc, I felt that Taxotere & Carboplatin was a better option as a trip neg with mets.   We're now at 8/06 - and note that this was BEFORE Carboplatin was thought to be a good choice for trip negs.   My onc was reluctant to use Taxotere since she had  two prior patients who had such horrible reactions to it that they were hospitlized.  While my onc was not pro-active, she was interested and supportive in the issues and studies I'd bring to her.

    CalGal 

  • slanderson
    slanderson Member Posts: 152
    edited July 2008

    Tonya,

    I know.  I have lamented having Adriamyacin since knowing about the potential heart damage. PLUS apparently the Adriamyacin is the one that really does a number on your hair.Frown

    Oh well,  I'm still here.

    Shannon

  • FloridaLady
    FloridaLady Member Posts: 2,155
    edited July 2008

    My doctor told me today, that the research does say that Her2 do not need to take "A".  He did say of all the breast cancer now they know more about Her2, than they do the other kinds.  Who would believe it...he said "we" still don't know what we are really doing with the triple negs.  To early to tell about the Carbo, Avastin and other new protocol's.  The will need anywhere from three to five years more to is a true trend these protocol's/

    Flalady 

  • jason222
    jason222 Member Posts: 70
    edited July 2008

    Calgal, Thanks for the information.


    My mother is currently undergoing AC, based on the recent reports on adriamycin, do you think it's wise to request the oncologist to substitute the adriamycin with Epibirucin instead?

  • cazza
    cazza Member Posts: 43
    edited July 2008

    Hi'

    I had 6ac 3 years ago. I was too overwhelmed with the cancer to really question my treatment. I did not have T.

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