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  • brena
    brena Member Posts: 458
    edited July 2008

    Teresa and Desi,

    Had my bone scan a couple of weeks ago and yes everything was normal. May both of your scan be the same, thinking good thoughts.

    Cool (working on my tan ooops...vitamin D)

  • brena
    brena Member Posts: 458
    edited July 2008

    Teresa,

    Glad to hear from you, are you all moved in? More on the cruise in a couple of months maybe we will have more takers and I will have more information. Sorry to hear your last shot did not go so well, was anything different? taking any other medications or over the counter drugs?You are correct it is listed as a SE. Try posting on one of the other threads to see if you can get some suggestions as I know other woman are taking Avastin. I hope you feel better soon, keep us posted.

    How is everything else going?

  • brena
    brena Member Posts: 458
    edited July 2008

    Ladies,

    Just a reminder tomorrow night is the Triple Negative Teleconference at 7pm, there will be a posting of the conference for those who cannot listen in.

    cheers

  • brena
    brena Member Posts: 458
    edited July 2008

    Hi Jen B.,

    You will find most of the woman on this thread are within your age range and might have given a second thought to joining the trial for different reasons. However, in the end we all joined the trial, again, for different reasons. We are hear to support, listen and give suggestions when needed. I am sorry that you have been diagnosed with BC, especially since it seems you have taken such good care of your health prior to diagnoses. You are not CRAZY about the thought of putting these poisonous drugs into your system to beat another poison, it is ludicrous but don't have any other choice.

    You are correct that TN is scary but please make sure you review the source of your information as there is much speculation, bad hipe etc. on Triple Negative BC. What did your doctors tell you about TN and its long-term survival? Some woman on this thread are TN and some are not but have a positive node.

    It would help us if you could fill in your stats so they show at the bottom of your postings.

    You want to know if we would make the same choice if we had to do it over again; I would without a doubt and I am sure the other woman will chime in very soon to give their response! If you have some time review our prior pages of chat and you will see why we each have made this choice and a little information about us. At anytime a woman can stop participating in the trial and still continue with her

    I received the placebo (Arm A) so I did not go on to arm D, Teresa and Carolyn are on Arm D with continuing to receive Avastin. Everyone else in the group are still going through the initial treatment. Did you receive a copy of the Trial for your review in detail?

    Again, welcome and keep us posted when you make your decision. Regardless of your choice I wish you lots of success, hugs and a shoulder if you need. This is a great website and you will find much information and support.

    sleep well,

  • jenniferb
    jenniferb Member Posts: 24
    edited July 2008

    Brena:

    Thank you so much for your positive energy and welcoming!

    I have decided to join the trial and e-mailed the onc at Stanford who is coordinating it. I expect to begin in 2-3 weeks. I will keep you posted on my story.  I did get a chance to read all the threads and can't tell you how much I appreciate all of your sharing. It is really a great thing!

    Good Night for now.

    Jen B 

    Dx 6/24/2008, IDC, 1.9cm, Stage I, Grade 3, 0 nodes, ER-/PR-, HER2-

  • sftfemme65
    sftfemme65 Member Posts: 790
    edited July 2008

    Brena,

    Yes I'm all moved in but not all unpacked of course.  I feel better tonight.  I had to use ativan in between the compazine to get a hold of that sick feeling. 

    You know I noticed that there are 11 of us now on this thread.  Isn't that great! 

    Carolyn...Brena did you guys go thru menopause because of treatment?  What about hot flashes?  I have them everyday, several times a day.  I just wonder if I will stay in menopause.

    Teresa

  • karakay
    karakay Member Posts: 7
    edited July 2008

    Hi All,

     I had my first treatment last Tuesday, July 8th. The treatment went smoothly except that the first IV line didn't work and they had to put in a second. I'm not sure how I'm going to get through this without a port. SE's were minimal. Just super tired and much bone ache from the neulasta shot. I'm feeling much better this week. Do things get a lot worse?

    I was wondering if you all could share with me... when did you lose your hair? I'm wondering when I should shave it off? Should I do it before the second treatment or after?

    Also in terms of blood draw before chemo.... what does the protocol require? My onco told me that I must come in 24-48 hours before every treatment for a blood draw, but the research coordinator for the study told me that they will just draw out of my IV on the day of treatment. I'm very confused about that. I hate needles.

    Jen B, I just wanted to share with you my thought process on joining the trial....  I'm so scared of long term side effects as well as infertility, but taking part in the trial allows me to move forward with my life knowing that I did everything humanly possible to prevent recurrence. I'm only 28 yrs old and I hope to have a family someday and to grow old with my husband. We made the decision to do the trial so that we will have no regrets. I hope that helps.

    Hope everyone is well. Kara

  • jenniferb
    jenniferb Member Posts: 24
    edited July 2008

    Kara:

    Thank you sooo much for sharing!

    I have decided to join the trial and like you, decided it was just better than having any regrets. I'd hate to die and be sitting up in Heaven and think, Sh*&, I wish I'd done that clinical trial!!! Anyway, I am off to Stanford right now to sign all the paperwork. Re your port issue, they told me I would have a port in place and it would stay attached throughout the trial...so I thought everyone had that? I will pray for you, Kara about being able to have children after all this is over. I have a son who is in Warsaw this summer working for the Helsinki Foundation for human rights and attending law school next year and my daughter is a junior in high school and working as a swim instructor this summer. They are the LIGHT in my life. I hope you will have that also. I'll let you know when they schedule my first chemo, thinking in a week or 2. I'm hoping to keep working at least 4 days a week during the chemo....do you think that will be possible? I own my own business and need to keep it running or I'm in deep financial trouble....so I hope I can keep my energy up. Are you working at all? 

    xxoooo,

    JenB 

    Dx 6/24/2008, IDC, 1.9cm, Stage I, Grade 3, 0 nodes, ER-/PR-, HER2-

  • S3K5
    S3K5 Member Posts: 606
    edited July 2008

    Brena,

    Good to know your bone scan went okay - mine was done today. Don't know the results yet. Will find out by friday. The technician saw a spot on my rib - but thinks it is probably an old fracture that is healing. It is in the same place where I have had the pain since 10 days. Hope he is right!!  The previous bone scan (done two months ago) didn't show this, though.

    This waiting is killing me...

    Take care,

    Desi.

  • S3K5
    S3K5 Member Posts: 606
    edited July 2008

    Hi Jen B,

    Welcome to this group - as a new comer you may have a lot of questions about the trial and the SEs, but Brena, Theresa and others have already gone thru the DD AC (every 2 weeks) and they are all doing fine. I just finished my 4th AC and from 25th july, it will be Taxol for me.

    As you might already know, each one is different. I had some SEs that others didnot have and vice versa. So keep a close tab on your SEs and keep talking to your oncologist or the staff - there are plenty of ways to treat the SEs. Energy level was an issue with me - Neulasta helped.

    Do you have a family? Anybody to help? Keep us posted - we are here to help in any way we can or else a place to vent!!

    Take care,

    Desi.

  • jenniferb
    jenniferb Member Posts: 24
    edited July 2008

    Brena:

    I am so dumb. I logged on to hear the TNBC Ask-The-Expert Online Conference you mentioned and forgot to check the EDT time frame, just assuming everything happens in California where I live. Wah! Do you know if there is a hardcopy or some transcript that might be available or maybe someone who participated could tell us the highlights? Darn, I'm so sad I missed it!!!!

     jenB 

    Dx 6/24/2008, IDC, 1.9cm, Stage I, Grade 3, 0/1 nodes, ER-/PR-, HER2-

  • jenniferb
    jenniferb Member Posts: 24
    edited July 2008

    Desi:

    Thank you for your warm welcome! I officially signed all the paperwork and am going to do the DD A/C and will start either July 31 or Aug. 7. I guess the main onc is going on vacation (imagine that!) so I'll just be flexible about my start date. Ha. I have been reading all the threads here and like you said there is alot of good info about SEs and ways you all have managed them. I'll just have to see how it goes with me. As to family, yes I have a great husband and kids and lots of supportive friends and my mom and brother live within driving distance. I am very lucky! I am also starting a support group on Thursday nights in my town and have written several newspapers to publicize it. It is AMAZING how many women have breast cancer!!!! 

    xox,

    JenB 

    ----

    Dx 6/24/2008, IDC, 1.9cm, Stage I, Grade 3, 0/1 nodes, ER-/PR-, HER2-

  • ryjuem
    ryjuem Member Posts: 64
    edited July 2008

    Hi all,  I just had my first treatment AC on 7/15.  I was diagnosed  in April, had lumpectomy end of May and had to wait....wait...wait.  The first tx was fine.  No major side effects.  I was really tired day 1,2,and some of 3.  Think most of it was emotional.  The family is falling apart and it's hard to manage everyone and their emotions along with my own and going through treatment.  We have Gilda's Club here and the support group is great.  I think we'll look for some family support, too.  Why can't the mom get a break from answering questions and making decisions!!  I'm not sure if it's harder having young kids or teenagers through this.  I have three teens (18,16,12) I think everything will be ok but the transition time if pretty tough around here.

    I'm quite thankful that the side effects aren't too bad.  A little indigestion, but that's it.  Lots of fiber, organic grains, and lots of water!

    I also missed the Triple Neg Conference.  I guess the transcript will be up sometime next week.

    Hang in there!

  • brena
    brena Member Posts: 458
    edited July 2008

    Ryjuem,

    Very glad to hear your first treatment went well and being tired will most likely be felt during each of chemo, that is one of more common SE. Need to get everyone in the family on board, you will need them and your support group in the near future. Everyone will have emotional issues with your BC and each will deal with them in their own time and way, monitor them. The way you feel and handle is the most important of all. Handling everything we did before diagnosis along with BC does not usually work out so well for the BC woman. Prioritize, delegate, deffer to someone else, communicate and most of all put yourself first until your BC journey is completed.

    Glad your taking the healthy route it will help if you can throw in some small exercise regimen.

    Make sure you stay away from people who are sick and god think twice before going into a hospital (germ ward.) 

    take care and keep us poste,

  • brena
    brena Member Posts: 458
    edited July 2008

    Ladies,

    I made an electronic copy of the TN conference if you want me to send you a copy please provide your email address. Some repeat information and some new research.

    thanks

  • brena
    brena Member Posts: 458
    edited July 2008

    Desi,

    Thinking of your results, please let us know ASAP. Think positive..positive..positive!

    little prayer,

  • brena
    brena Member Posts: 458
    edited July 2008

    Jen B & Kara,

    Working during chemo is possible based on how you feel, each round of chemo could give you the same SE or more severe. I had my A/C on Thursday and Neulasta shot on Friday. I took off from work Th, F and Monday which worked out fine. When I received the Taxol shot on Friday I took off that day only. There were some days I went  home early because of fatigue, chemo brain definitely made it hard some days but just kept pushing on. Again give yourself two rounds of chemo then you should see the SE that you may be dealing with. Taxol SE seem to come toward the end of the 12 weeks or thereafter for several months but should not cause someone to loose time from work.

    AVOID SICK PEOPLE, when the flu was going around work I went home.

    wishing you well,

  • brena
    brena Member Posts: 458
    edited July 2008

    Teresa and Carolyn,

    There are now 11 of us on this thread and in this trial, this is so wonderful!! We are paving the road for other woman. I wish we could locate those who were entered into the trial as sequence number 1-4, maybe some day they will find us. I was 5, Carolyn 6 and still don't know Teresa's number.

    You bring up a good topic, I was peri-menopause last year only getting my period 6 months; Jan, Feb. April, Oct, Nov, Dec. My period still has not returned, but my Onc is pretty comfortable that I will get it back but am not sure what would be an average time frame, will put on my list to ask.. Again probably varies per woman. Yes I have had hot flashes from the start, I was sleeping in the basement in the winter as it was the coldest part of the house (they wouldn't let me turn the heat off). Contributed to no sleep or broken sleep what a mess on top of chemo.

    There is a blood test that can be performed to show where your hormonal level is to give you a better idea as to if it will return, not sure of the name or its accuracy. My hot flashes decreased between the end of chemo and the start of rads. Since the start of rads my hot flashes are everyday, INSOMNIA..INSOMNIA... oh, did I say INSOMNIA. I have become a zombie with the lack of sleep (much of the same as with chemo), received a prescription from the rad/onc for Lunesta 2mg.

    • Wednesday night I took the pill and was still awake 4hrs later (did yawn) and then took another 2mg went to sleep for 2hrs, up for 1hr then asleep for 2hrs and backup for the day.
    • Tonight, well its 4am and I am writing to you ladies. I took 2mg at 10p and was awake at 1am that would give me 3hrs of sleep. So, again, I took another 2mg at 3am and am still waiting for it to at least make me yawn.
    • This is the fourth sleep aid prescribed that is not working. I will continue with the Lunesta for 10 days before moving on to the next request.
    • I know I read many woman have sleep problems including us on this thread and those about too have problems. I am truly frustrated because I thought I would be sleeping my normal (pre cancer) 6-8hrs of good sleep. I am not sure how to get back to that point, especially on my own without drugs. I eat healthy, definitely exercise and do not nap.

    Well I am going back to bed to listen to the dog snore,

  • jenniferb
    jenniferb Member Posts: 24
    edited July 2008

    Brena:

    Thank you so much for your info on working/life planning while doing the A/C. This really is helpful! I'm also going to be receiving the A/C on Thursdays also so will plan to be off work F, S, S + M. And we'll see how that goes. I did have a question and that is they have scheduled me for neulasta shots on Wednesdays (day before A/C) and your was the day after, does that matter? 

    I would love to receive a copy of the transcript you made!!! My e-mail is jenniferbalboni@yahoo.com. THANK YOU!

    It sounds like you are TRULY suffering, Brena, with this lack of sleep. That just stinks! I had a bout of insomnia a year or two ago and took one 750 mg capsule of GABA, an amino acid that you can purchase at any vitamin/health food store, and it worked like a CHARM. I slept like a baby all night long. Plus it is good for you. Of course, you'd have to check with your doc but I thought I'd just throw it out there because it truly has been the best sleep aid I've ever used.

    xoxo,

    JenB

    Dx 6/24/2008, IDC, 1.9cm, Stage I, Grade 3, 0/1 nodes, ER-/PR-, HER2-

  • brena
    brena Member Posts: 458
    edited July 2008

    Jen B,

    Thanks for your suggestion on the GABA, I will definitely give it a try on Monday if the Lunesta doesn't perform by then. What does the acronym GABA stand for?

    I searched Neulasta on the web and was able to identify that it is given within 24hrs after a chemo round. I am attaching the link to that information: http://www.neulasta.com/patient/howcanhelp/how_canhelp.jsp#

    Maybe your Onc's office made a mistake. I will email you the conference data.

    I am all measured up for my boost and then I will be done. I am using Silver Sulfadiazine cream on my open sore under the breast, boy is my breast skin getting dark! My lymph nodes are not being shot but the rays are still up under my armpit.

    take care,

    ps If the Lunesta doesn't work tonight I will be online

  • jenniferb
    jenniferb Member Posts: 24
    edited July 2008

    Brena:

    GABA stands for Gamma-aminobutyric acid. It's an amino acid and you can pick it up online or at a vitamin/health food store. I'll send sweet dreams your way. zzzzzzz.

    Thanks for clarifying about the Neulasta and the link and you are right I called my onc's office and they did mistate the day; It's taken the day after the A/C like you said.

    Thanks for e-mailing the transcript!!!!

    I'm going for a walk on the beach.

    JenB

    Dx 6/24/2008, IDC, 1.9cm, Stage I, Grade 3, 0/1 nodes, ER-/PR-, HER2-

  • brena
    brena Member Posts: 458
    edited July 2008

    Jen B,

    Trascript has been sent to you by email. Hope you had a good walk.

    take care, 

  • ryjuem
    ryjuem Member Posts: 64
    edited July 2008
    Today is day 5 after first tx and its been rough.  I know
    I was supposed to take the scheduled anti nausea meds days 1-4..i guess the other days are as needed...i'm confused....pretty queasy today.  I tried exercising, keeping active, a little eating, gave up and cried and took a nap.  Guess the s/e s go beyond 4 days huh!  I'm still trying to adjust to the idea of what it will mean to go through this whole thing.  Thanks for any support.  My kids don't know what to do.  I'm trying to focus on myself, but also help them understand.
  • brena
    brena Member Posts: 458
    edited July 2008

    ryjeum,

    I am so sorry to hear your first round is tough or even unbearable. Help me understand your anti-nausea meds, you are administering them at home? What frequency are you to take them? for how long? The several days following treatment will probably be your worst; nausea, flu-like symptoms, mentally foggy etc. These are normal Se and may be a window of how you will feel after each round, maybe better. Need to get clear understanding of when and how much meds you must take. Talk with the Onc on your next visit and make sure he knows the severity of your SE's, they may need to adjust your anit-meds. Meanwhile it sounds like you are doing the right stuff, its JUST CRAP TO DEAL WITH CHEMO se.Cry

    Not sure what your kids to can do to help, just to make sure you get some light food, rest and stay away from anyone who is sick. Tell them you will be emotional, ask for help, and maybe cranky at times. They will need to be understanding and supportive when you ask.

    YOU ARE NORMAL, NORMAL, NORMAL. ITS THE CHEMO!!!! Maybe tomorrow will be just a bit better?

    Hang in there and keep us posted,

  • brena
    brena Member Posts: 458
    edited July 2008

    Teresa,

    Did you get the results of your bone scan on your hip?

     fingers crossed,

    Cool

  • brena
    brena Member Posts: 458
    edited July 2008

    Henson and Erika,

    We havn't heard from you ladies in some time, please drop a line so we know how your doing. Hope everything is good or at least tolerable with the chemo.

    Erika,

    You should be starting Taxol pretty soon, correct?

    cheers 

  • sftfemme65
    sftfemme65 Member Posts: 790
    edited July 2008

    Hi Brena,

    I haven't had my scan yet.  I have it on Wed.  I hope I will get the results pretty quickly so I don't fret about it. 

    A week from monday we are going to drive down to pensacola area to spend a few days on the beach.  I can't wait. 

    I hope everyone is doing well. 

    Oh and Brena can you send me a copy of the transcript too....sftfemme65@yahoo.com

    Thanks!

  • carolynf
    carolynf Member Posts: 262
    edited July 2008

    Hi all,

    I finished RADS on Thursday!!! I will say one thing, the boosts were much easier than the whole breast.  The last 2 rads to my breast gave me that burn under my armpit, next to my breast.  The boost was aimed at my scar on the side of my breast and did not touch the area where I was burnt.  I probably had the nurses bandage me for 5 days.  I would also use that solosite (you put it in the frig) at night...it was very soothing.  Now that I have peeled (and the area was very DARK) you can see the baby pink skin.  No longer hurts.  I still get this tiny wiring in my body sometimes that are like little prickles for a second.  It's hard to describe.  I figure the rads also were affecting nerve endings or something.

    I go for my 4th avastin on Monday!! Six more to go after that.  Teresa, they do not give me any pre drugs before the avastin.  Not even to hydrate.  They normally take blood to make sure my counts are fine.  Then they hook me up to avastin. When that is complete, they hook me up to the saline solution to just clean the lines and make sure the avastin has gone thru.  These past 3 weeks have been unusual.  My teeth hurt. Then my gums were bleeding when I brushed my teeth.  Now I have pain in my jaw or my teeth. Haven't been able to figure it out.  Nurse thought I might have TMJ.  Another discussion tomorrow w/my onc.  I just brought my husband to the bus terminal to head to the airport. He's gone for 10 days to San Diego for work. So it will be a little quite around here. Just me and the kids and Lexi(my puppy).

    JenB- Brena is correct in regards to Neulasta.  It's given 24hrs after unless you decide to do the daily one.  I had joint pain the day after the shot but that was it and it was only after the first shot.  So, good luck to you.

    Well, I am going to take a quick nap before the kids get up.  I have not been sleeping very well. I still take lorazapam but I think my body is getting tooo used to it.  I get hot flashes once in a blue moon but my onc put me on the slow release Effexor 75mg.  It took away the 6 hot flashes a day!  In regards to menopause, my onc says I will probably not have another period that i will go into menopause.  I was regular all the way up to the start of chemo and even had one after I started chemo.

    Brena, you can email me the transcript to @ barryf@comcast.net 

    Hope everyone has a beautiful sunday rest.

    Carolyn

  • sftfemme65
    sftfemme65 Member Posts: 790
    edited July 2008

    Carolyn,

    Congrats on finishing your rad!  its 245 am , I'm not sleeping well either.  Ativan just doesn't seem to work like it use to.  I have been having lower back pain tonight.  I'm sure I just strained it but I'm so worried everytime I have an ache and this is pretty painful so I'm kinda scared. 

    I have about 6 hot flashes a day, some days more.  I had 2 periods after chemo started and then they were done, my doc said I may get them back everyone is different. 

    Hope everyone has a great week.

    Teresa

  • carolynf
    carolynf Member Posts: 262
    edited July 2008

    Hi Teresa,

    I hear you in regards to no sleep.  Well, today i had my 4th Avastin treatment.  Everything went well. Port is working really well these days.  Talk to onc about my jaw/teeth pain.  He thinks I may have TMJ.  Wants me to schedule dentist appt asap.  He did give me a script for percocet to get some sleep at night.  I am pretty tired tonight to say the least. I did work til 2pm today!! Hopefully tomorrow I will get a full day in.  I am not pushing things though.  I was having some back pain and for mothers day my husband bought me this leather massage chair.  It has every kind of massage w/different speeds and heat as well.  I try to use it daily. It helps things flow in the body.  My mom had bought one due to her back (she's 71).  Ever since she got it she uses it 1 or 2 x a day and her back problems have been alleviated.  They aren't completely gone but she is more comfortable.  She's very active w/her garden so she also bends down a lot and still owns a 4 story house and 3 acres that she mows herself.  You should talk to your onc about Effexor 75mg slow release for the hot flashes. I am telling you it has been a life saver for me.  Well, time for me to do some reading and get these kids to bed since they have camp in the morning.

    Have a great night.

    Carolyn

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